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save the abbey of thelema online petition

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(@thelema-cefalu)
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please sign in click here


   
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Shiva
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Designing a petition and having people sign it can be a good idea. In the present Save the Abbey example, unto whom or what is it going to be submitted?

That is, if it's going to be submitted to a person or an org or an agency or a gov, then fine and well. If it's just going to be posted online ... well, why bother?

Your earlier idea about collecting money to buy it was pretty good. But you'll need to disclose the asking price and then form some sort of corporation to handle the funds and to be the official owner of The Abbey. Of course you could just ask for people to give you money, so that you can personally buy it, but I doubt if that's going to happen.


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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thanks for support. the petition is submint to gov authorithy and owners: they need a big international pressure about the situation for make a change. is good restore "save the abbey" and promote this campaign...


   
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Good show! I'll be happy to sign a petition that's going to the gov and the owner.


   
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Spoiler! Alert!

OK, I signed. Three non-designated boxes are presented. The first is for your name. The second is for your email address. The third is unknown, but it's big and it takes comments.

Then I hit "Sign the Petition" and up popped a page asking for various donations. Even when I didn't select any of the suggested amounts, hitting "NEXT" took me to my PayPal sign-in page with a designated $25 donation to be authorized, and this clever program even knew my PayPal login name ... without me giving it.

I certainly am not going to donate without knowing how much the owner wants and where the "donations" are going. I suspect I will not be donating at all.

I certainly resent any robot that can dip into my computer and select my PayPal account.

What's really going on here?


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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very strange, it's total new for me: i not will money and give no account of bank or paypal i think is the system of website but i don't see this economic request!!!!!!! where is this page? i haven't start a crowdfounding becouse i need your will first for speak already with owner and restore "save the abbey" program of anna apostolidou


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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other user see the some?? sorry but who is the name of paypal account? i'm curiously


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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ok, i've the solution: when you sign the petition open new page that communicate "petiton signed" and "please help support ipetitions: donate...": i'm not ipetition.com but abbeyofthelema.org are you sorry?


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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...and with click on "next" (not causes request or necessary) you accept to donate and link to paypal account and your browser cookie: isn't strange mistery or conspiracy by me πŸ™‚


   
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I am not sorry, because no funds were given. The petition site simply is able to take me to my paypal account sign-in page, and asks me to authorize a payment. It doesn't get the password, it doesn't get any money unless one signs in and authorizes it. But how does it know the username of my paypal account when I signed the petition with a name not linked to that account?

It somehow fishes around in one's computer and automatically grabs the available paypal account username. Pretty sneaky if you ask me ... which you didn't.


   
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(@thelema-cefalu)
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i'm yes sorry but i see more website of petition and i thinked that is good if is not really we can transfer other way. i think that in your cache memory was paypal information the problem was that you clicked on "next" and haven't read good... have solution?


   
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No problem for me. All that is required is your name & email address. If you don't want to donate to the petitions site itself then don't click on the bottom of the 2nd screen. A confirmation mail was immediately received after I signed. Simple as that.


   
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I pursued the "Next" step simply to see what was going on. I was not "clipped," and I only wished to point out that there are a few "irregularities."

The program did not detect my paypal user name from the cache. I have a cache cleaning spirit that sweeps up the room. However, I do have a paypal.com cookie in the cookie jar.

I therefore still stand here in loud accusation of a program that reaches into one's cookie jar. There doesn't seem to be anything malicious going on ... just an overtepping of the normal boundries (as I understand them).

Now ... as to the petition itself. I wonder how it will be delivered to the owner and the various government agencies and prime-movers. I wonder whether it will be presented in its present English format (with quaint expressions) or whether it will be rendered into the local dialect before presentation. Also, there is a goal of 11,000 signatures - it would be nice if we got updated reports from time to time as to how many respondents have signed.


   
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