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Jamie J Barter
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25/04/2020 5:04 pm  

N-Nice doggies!

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26/04/2020 2:27 am  

Is God to live in a Dog? - originally, Is a Dog endowed with the Buddha-nature? - Everyone weighs in with a resounding "No!" which is entirely unfair to dogs.

see also: the dogs of war reason.

Ignant and I are considering founding a new Order of the Ages called Hermetic Caninus (not Cannabis). H.'.K.'. = 25 = "very powerful."

Surely, you caught my Culling report? Maybe not. Okay, here it is ...

[quote]

After the formalities, Culling, Regardie and I were speaking as
we sat over in a corner in a triangular formation. Culling, in a low
voice, as if he were providing confidential information, explained to
us that, "We once initiated a dog!"

He went on to say, "We had this stick [a stick, also known as a
reefer, came later to be known as a joint] and we smoked it and
gave the dog some of the smoke. Then he went through the ritual.
Yeah, he walked around in the circles and everything. Ha, ha, ha!"
Regardie replied, "Ha, ha, ha!"

[end quote]

And his name shall be Anubis, the son of Osiris and Nephthys. (Nephthys was married to Set. Set had no kids. Anubis was adopted by Thoth, who taught him the whole shebang, which we know as 777).

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26/04/2020 2:41 am  
Posted by: @shiva

"We once initiated a dog!"

They got it all wrong, the dog was initiating them.


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26/04/2020 11:56 am  

Navigating the invisible habituation of emptiness and appearance; ignites the god force to arise within and without in a ubiquitous ekstasis. The filaments and fibers of the electric fire burns all constructs of self and other, transcending ordinary conceptions of life, and death. Beyond locality, directionality, and partiality; the external and internal forms arise and dissolve and dance in the coextensive space among the field of perceptions. Back in the conventional constraints of time, space, cognition and matter; wavering in the flux the appearance of Outer initiating re-cognition in the inner. Namaste.

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26/04/2020 7:21 pm  
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This photo was leaked by Tiger from an occult operation involving surveillance inside the Temple of Shiva and Buddha-nature-endowed Dogs.

Scooter (left) scoots around. His spirit name is ChugDog, which means "iron tail." His tail signals his mood. In intense mode, it stands straight up like an iron rod.

Bobby (right) is stoic. His spirit name is ChugPug, which means "iron face." His face signals his mood, which is usually unreadable, and is captured perfectly in this photo. When he runs away and is called to "Come" back, he turns and displays the Puggle "Iron Face," which is neutral, but completely indifferent to what anybody wants.

 


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26/04/2020 7:49 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Scooter (left) scoots around. His spirit name is ChugDog, which means "iron tail." His tail signals his mood.

Isn't this the case with (almost) all doggies though? (Those who haven't had them docked, anyway) - the wagging of which being generally seen as an indicator of contentment/wellbeing/favour, etc.

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26/04/2020 8:22 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Isn't this the case with (almost) all doggies though?

Not like this one. Forget belittling Scooter; he may turn Doberman on you.

 


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27/04/2020 8:04 pm  

Today, just for great rounds of deep laughter, I would like to present something I came across on a certain sales site. The $C = Canadian, so these prices in the USA are about 80% of the requested four-figure amounts. The seller is in Australia. He (she?) has been doing this for a very long time. The top and bottom books are available at Lulu today for under $50 US hardcover. The middle book is offered in several place for a bit over $200.

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27/04/2020 11:27 pm  

@shiva

 

You must talking about that 'wonderful' seller infamous among us degenerate bibliophiles, something like REX or REIX who tries to sell things for about 200 to 400% of their value.

Then you can see he tries to 'entice' by offering huge discounts on his already huge prices, so it makes no difference. lol 

 

It is beyond sad and funny and merely infuriating.  Well, it is something..


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28/04/2020 1:33 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

REX or REIX who tries to sell things for about 200 to 400% of their value.

REX EMPORIUM. Australia.

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so it makes no difference. lol 

But his tactics result in books not being sold. That middle book, Outside the Law, and the third one, Behind the Veil, are both signed first editions, so he can't replace them. Outside is out of print, and Behind has shifted to a second edition. So he has had the same books at about 1200% for years (since he bought them new from Weiser). And now he's moved up to around 2400%.

Like a jewel in Indra's net, its reflection only enhances my stature (possibly limited to people eho have developmental mental disorders), but I can see how you might be infuriated. Doesn't the outlandish hype remind you of someone closer?

 


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30/04/2020 8:24 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Is God to live in a Dog? - originally, Is a Dog endowed with the Buddha-nature? - Everyone weighs in with a resounding "No!" which is entirely unfair to dogs.

see also: the dogs of war reason.

Ignant and I are considering founding a new Order of the Ages called Hermetic Caninus (not Cannabis). H.'.K.'. = 25 = "very powerful."

Surely, you caught my Culling report? Maybe not. Okay, here it is ...

[quote]

After the formalities, Culling, Regardie and I were speaking as
we sat over in a corner in a triangular formation. Culling, in a low
voice, as if he were providing confidential information, explained to
us that, "We once initiated a dog!"

He went on to say, "We had this stick [a stick, also known as a
reefer, came later to be known as a joint] and we smoked it and
gave the dog some of the smoke. Then he went through the ritual.
Yeah, he walked around in the circles and everything. Ha, ha, ha!"
Regardie replied, "Ha, ha, ha!"

[end quote]

I totally loved this story, laughed so much! Thank you for this - and more of this, if you please 🙂

I also dig your Dzogchen comparisons in other threads as I've been a Dzogchen practitioner for about 30 years now.

Great stuff here!

 


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01/05/2020 10:27 pm  
Posted by: @jackie

more of this, if you please

I try. From time to time, I post one of these bizarre tales from behind veils and locked doors, as written, somewhere, in one of my books. So I just copy and paste. Sometimes i have an original (unwritten) memory, and I have to write it out.

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I also dig your Dzogchen comparisons in other threads as I've been a Dzogchen practitioner for about 30 years now.

A few years ago, I didn't know Dzogchen from a Dogchain or a Dogcatcher. Then I had an experience (in 'i7, I believe) that matched no description found in any LiberIs, or any other lunatic fringe literature.

Then I was reading one of those Lama Tulku autobiographies, and I found that experience perfectly described. I correlated the data and wrote it up in 2 or 3 books.

I am presently completing (reading) another Lama Tulku autobiography, and the terminology became somewhat mixed in my cranium. So I stopped reading and started writing. The new pamphlet (8.5 x 11") is 21 pages and is titled Dzogchen, wherein I straighten out the important terms in my mind and make short references to our accepted, western terminology (which is degenerating rapidly due to infiltration by abundant Magi (Maguses) who are creating their own systems, saying, "This is the proper way to count.").

This doc will be released here for anyone to download. It is written (typed) and the pics are in place. I'm simply waiting for for my proofreader, who can actually see, to find my errors, but she's zooming through Inside the Law right now before it gets corrected and posted to Lulu as a second printing (Still First Edition). So it's sitting still right now, which is appropriate.

Being well-acquainted with the tradition, you might want to see this doc and let me know if I stubbed my toe anywhere ... before I embarrass myself in public.

If so, send me a message at  notarajah@gmail.com  and I'll fix you up.

 

Whenever I make offers like this to someone specific, I usually get a raft of requests from other readers. In this case, forget it, unless you can prove both scholarship and practice in the far-out-there tradition under discussion.

The full doc will be here for frre as soon as I can whip my herd of proofreaders into faster action.


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02/05/2020 4:28 pm  
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Occasionally a dangerous tantric siddha may recover treasures and may unleash transgressive perspectives impinging them selves on ordinary conceptions in the mental continuum, associated with studies of the Worldling; and destroy a universe !

" Bad Faith ( or "self deception" ) can be understood as the appearance of existing as a character, individual, or person who defines himself through social categorization of his formal identity. "
Treatise on Naught pg45 (The last book of the Triumvarate of Initiation ) by Frater Shiva

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02/05/2020 9:30 pm  
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Plato. Once I had read his complete philosophy, even beyond the so-called metaphysical dialogues, I was so taken with him that I followed the man's thought after his death, through the fragmented works of the academicians like Xenocrates and Arcesilaus et al. until I happened upon those sublime Neoplatonists whose names we all might recognize, like Numenius, Proclus, Plotinus and his student Porphyry, and his student Iamblichus. I also studied those men who influenced Platonism, like Pyrrho.

Once I left the classical age and hit the dark ages, I felt I went too far, so I went back to Plato and started in the opposite direction. I collected the even more fragmentary works of the Pythagoreans (Platonism is considered by some to be 'Neopythagoreanism,' you see). Once I was finished with the teachings of Pythagoras, I went even further back to the people who taught the man from Samos himself: the Egyptians, Chaldeans, etc. The Egyptians and their philosophy still capture my imagination, and have done so even longer than Platonism (maybe because it was easier to learn middle egyptian than attic greek).

 

I don't know if you missed my post in the other thread about 'The Pyramid Texts' but I was enquiring about how you view the origins of the Quabalah in relation to Pythagorus who, as you correctly pointed out, (for the love of wisdom), returned to earlier civilisations for clues; 

I looked into this and referred to Regardie's A Garden of Pomegranates See if this makes sense as Regardie's accounts seem confused to me.   In Chapter One 'A Historical Survey' he states that the history of the Quabalah is vague.  Some historians claim that it is a derivative from NeoPlatonic, Pythagorean and Gnostic sources (Mr. Christian D. Ginsburg being one). One view is it actually first appeared in 12th century Spain!   

However Regardie claims that Mr. Phineas Mordell (in an essay called The Origin of Letters and Numerals According to the Sepher Yetzirah that "the Pythagorean Number Philosophy is identical with that of  the Sepher Yetzirah  and that it's (? ~ my question mark) philosophy apparently emanated from one of the Hebrew prophetic schools."  In fact Mordell says that The Sepher Yetzirah represents the genuine fragments of Philolaus (470-380 BC) , who was the first to publish Pythagorean philosophy and that Philolaus seems to correspond very curiously to Joseph ben Uziel who wrote down the Sepher Yetzirah.  If that is the case, he (Regardie says) then TheSepher Yetzirah was probably produced in 2 B.C. 

According to Regardie, Joseph ben Uziel was apparently a disciple of the prophet Jeremiah.   I'm assuming he means he wasn't a literal disciple alive at the time of Jeremiah. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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03/05/2020 7:14 am  
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One view is it actually first appeared in 12th century Spain!   

This is my view; that Moses de Leon was himself the author of the Zohar, and like many magicians invented a mythical origin and ancient lineage for his ideas. It wouldn't do for a great jewish mystic like de Leon to have learned all his metaphysics from some heathen Greeks, after all, would it? I am referring to the magical/mystical system of kabbalah, not the special hidden messages that rabbis claim to find in the Pentateuch (which I suspect are 'found' the same way we 'find' things in AL).

I personally consider the profound irony of the highest form of Judaic spirituality being derived from the works of a man and culture the Hebrews spent all of the Books of the Maccabees fighting against to be proof of this 13th century origin of Kabbalah. It's too funny to not be true. In fact, it's both funny and cruel, like the God of Israel -- like something He would do.


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03/05/2020 10:21 am  

@jackie @shiva

Do you know if AC was at all aware of Dzogchen? (I'm guessing not) He had some knowledge of Tibetan traditions as seen with "Lam", though he might have only got this from Blavatsky and other "Orientalists", so what he knew may not have been "authentic". Had he known about Dzogchen I'm sure he would have incorporated it into Thelema in the same way as Taoism.

 

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our accepted, western terminology (which is degenerating rapidly due to infiltration by abundant Magi (Maguses) who are creating their own systems, saying, "This is the proper way to count.")

Excuse me, but you're on a website what's name comes from some Magus counting Shin & Tet as 31 by using his own made up "system" (who on earth was he and what possible relevance could he have to this forum?). 😛 


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03/05/2020 11:37 am  
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Posted by: @dom

One view is it actually first appeared in 12th century Spain!   

This is my view; that Moses de Leon was himself the author of the Zohar, and like many magicians invented a mythical origin and ancient lineage for his ideas. It wouldn't do for a great jewish mystic like de Leon to have learned all his metaphysics from some heathen Greeks, after all, would it? I am referring to the magical/mystical system of kabbalah, not the special hidden messages that rabbis claim to find in the Pentateuch (which I suspect are 'found' the same way we 'find' things in AL).

I personally consider the profound irony of the highest form of Judaic spirituality being derived from the works of a man and culture the Hebrews spent all of the Books of the Maccabees fighting against to be proof of this 13th century origin of Kabbalah. It's too funny to not be true. In fact, it's both funny and cruel, like the God of Israel -- like something He would do.

Yes the four worlds 'of 'the Quabalah' then would appear to be a derivative of Platonic/Pytahgorean metaphysics involving numbers.  Maybe, more accurately, that would be 'the worlds (inner emanations) of the Gnostics who appeared circa 1 A.D. 

Gematria was apparently a Greek (alphabet) Hellenistic practice which must've been adopted by Hebrews  circa 2 B.C.   However I hear that the Hebrews even before this time didn't actually use numbers but instead used their 22 letters which suggests they Hebrews may've used Gematria earlier, I don't know.   Anyway the distinct Semitic alphabet was formed circa 800 B.C.   Maybe it's a coincidence that the 22 Tarot ATU conveniently fit into each path of the TOL.  Maybe it's irrelevant or even wrong to state that the Tarot was said to have been a pre-Hellenistic ancient Egyptian invention.  If it is relevant it may suggest that both Pythagoras and the Hebrews derived their metaphysics ideas from a common source i.e. Egypt.   

 

If all this is the case then Crowley's recommendation to read The Bible, "by various authors unknown. The Hebrew and Greek Originals are of Qabalistic value." is based on a shaky premise as a lot of The Old Testament is also pre -Hellenistic and would have no relevance to Gematria.......then again if you seek you could find some;

https://biblehub.com/timeline/old.htm

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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03/05/2020 8:11 pm  
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Pythagoras and the Hebrews derived their metaphysics ideas from a common source i.e. Egypt.   

All western roads lead back to the Nile Valley.


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03/05/2020 8:20 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

Pythagoras and the Hebrews derived their metaphysics ideas from a common source i.e. Egypt.   

All western roads lead back to the Nile Valley.

Typo as well, should've been 'metaphysical'. 

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Excuse me, but you're on a website what's name comes from some Magus counting Shin & Tet as 31 by using his own made up "system"

Shin is 31 and

Tav is 32

 

Tet/teth is 19 


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04/05/2020 4:08 pm  

@christibrany

I think you're talking about the "Key Scale". I was just making a silly joke about how AC made his own (weird) method of getting Shin + Tet to equal 31 (using the tarot numbers). This way LA + Sht + AL adds up to 93.


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04/05/2020 4:09 pm  

@duck  Ohhh thanks 🙂  Yes that was very unique. 


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04/05/2020 6:18 pm  

Insude the Law is now being revised to Inside, and 26 other (theoretical) typos will be examined for restitution or execution.

My hardcover copy of the book has excessive glue running out of the spine and a few pages are stuch together near the spine and glue causes dark blotches. Also, some pages have lightly imprinted ink and the paper is wrinkled (as if it had been wet, which it was). I always thought Lulu used laser printers, but now I suspect inkjets. I will, of course, be requesting a properly printed and glued replacement, and Lulu is pretty good about fixing their mistakes, which seem to occur in about 50% of the first-time, first-orders I place with them.

NOTE: Lulu has just refreshed its website (upgrade). After 2 days, they sent a message: "We know our site is a disaster, nobody can log in, and the covers for many books are all mixed up. We're working on it." (paraphrased). I would suggest keeping 6 days (or weeks) away from that site 'til the bookvirus gets antibodied.

 


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15/05/2020 7:53 pm  

Insude the Law has now been corrected and the second printing of The First Edition is now available to absolutely anyone. Some one who is in possession if the first printing will soon find that their copy is worth $1,495 as a "Rare Collector's Item." See the wonderful wild world web for any updates. Do not hold your breath while waiting for your fortune to roll in. Instead ...

I took an oath, or made a pledge, or simply said, that I would come back here for the benefit of those who have neither the first or the second printing, to provide the extract from said book that reveals the true curse of a Magus.

Now we all know that the exoteric curse is that he must openly reveal himself to the publick, or at least a significant number of folks, who will then begin to cast stones and lumps of goat dung. During Spring Fever this year, we saw a few pretenders go down under the weight of the dung.

But what is the esoteric secret? The one so terrible that AC wondered how any of his predecessors were able to continue (his take was posted around here recently). In his often slippery way, AC writ it out, casually, in Liber B vel Magi, a Class A doc, no less.

Here is my take on it. Take it into your heart, or out to the trash bin, as is your gnosis ...

 


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15/05/2020 10:18 pm  

@shiva

Secretum....Nice choice of words! Your 'take' is well appreciated.

Perhaps some 'pretenders' agree with the definitions of the 'Curse of the Magus', recognizing that the lie is a lie, lying in the dung or upon a pillow, making no difference between one thing and another...?!

I like your line of lingua..... Ling, Line, Lineage.....wanna know a secret...

Note that none of the pretenders seem to have proclaimed a 'glad word', for fake may be fact, but aspiration and inspiration do seem to go together and transcend any lines drawn in the sand...even their own...

 


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28/05/2020 12:37 am  
Posted by: @shiva

A new book has been introduced (by me) today. Here is the Official Description ...

 
 

Shiva did you document any Enochian related work in this book? 

 

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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28/05/2020 1:40 am  
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did you document any Enochian related work in this book? 

Yes, but very little. I mentioned the use of Perdurabo's Abramelin talismans (in Enochian and in retrospect), and the use of Abramelin talismans (in Enochian). But I mentioned the great power of the terribly-exciting  Abramelin talismans in contrast to the simpler, non-denominational and non-demonic methods of Reiki and Sirius. I end up by dismissing those and revealing the "simple" method of talismanic magic.

Why do you ask? Are you interested in the illusions of Enochian magic?

 


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28/05/2020 8:10 am  
Posted by: @shiva

 

Why do you ask? Are you interested in the illusions of Enochian magic?

 

I'm asking because i was comparing AC's path with yours. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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28/05/2020 8:27 am  

....and why is it that you discuss 'Choronzon' a lot but you never dealt with that system fully?

 

Thanks. 

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28/05/2020 7:41 pm  
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I'm asking because i was comparing AC's path with yours. 

Oh, goodness and the seven cardinal sins I suppose anything can be compared to anything else, but there's only one Path and absolutely everyone has a different tale to tell.

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....and why is it that you discuss 'Choronzon' a lot but you never dealt with that system fully

I fail to remember dealing with Choronzon "a lot."

If by "that system," you mean Enochian, please be advised that Enochian is a lingo. Any and all concepts within any lingo-istic system can be found in any other system, but almost certainly under a different name. It is both informative and amusing to see parallel concepts bearing similar names, or numbers, when one plays the "comparative" game.

Crowley undertook the Enochian/30 AEthyr route because he was finishing up a project from four centuries before, you know, Dee and Kelly, and thus Enochian. Now whether Crowley was really Kelly or Dee or the Queen, is subject to discussion of another kind. Transmigration of a Soul, overshadowing by an eternal archetypal entity, or an actual DNA link are all possibilities. So is "productive hallucination."

The mundane University system is an interesting reflection of the Invisible and Universal Order or Spectrum of Consciousness that has no true name among us mortals ... even if AC proclaimed it the A.'.A.'., whose initials he borrowed from the ashes of the G.'.D.'., R.I.P.

In the Outer Order, the home of the presently so-called Bachelor degree, anyone chooses their school according to their whim or will, or their parents' desire, and once inside everyone who chose that school undertakes the same curriculum. A certain number of electives are usually allowed, in order to allow a certain flair of diversity within the unity of the rigid framework.

Some independent operators say, "Screw the schooling," and they enter directly into the matrix of the workplace and the market. Sometimes they are remarkably successful. Somehow, they have managed to traverse the agony of the Outer Order by applying their own self-reliant genius without seeking instruction. As a simple example, some children learn to read before they go to school.

A Bachelor degree gets one identified within a wide professional group, and is often required before one can get a real job (the Inner Order) in external reality.

Crowley and I, plus anyone else who chose the ceremonial, magical, musical, architectural, masonic, arcane-society route entered the outer school system of the 7th ray.

Others, interested in raja yoga in its many-limbed disciplines, or who sought the guidance of a guru, entered the school system of the 6th ray.

I could go on with the rays, but Crowley slipped them all in to his A.'.A.'. system (his thesis, presented by O.M. 7=4)).

In the Inner Order, the classroom of the external Master's degree, one again chooses their specialty within their chosen school, or perhaps a parallel discipline, and once inside everyone who chose that specialty undertakes some required courses together. But a large amount of time is allotted to one's very own, individually-selected, special area of knowledge, and they write a thesis about it.

Generally, their thesis is based upon research and reference to other "experts" or "authorities," but the candidate still has to make his or her own point. Esoterically, the initiate is still operating within his or her personal mind, so everything can be aligned with external reality. The common denominators between the degree-student and the Adeptus are (a) they get accepted into the program, and a mentor or advisor is appointed, and (b) they end up writing a thesis, and if accepted, they are graduated/launched into the void to sink or swim as a specialist in the game of life.

The Crowley launch was a rocket ship ride (or an elevator ascent) up a 30-storied tunnel of Enochian translation, through the thirty concentric realms that surround terra firma, being the historical aura of Earth consciousness.

My launch involved the synthesis of diverse systems of attainment, a yin-yang blending of A.'.A.'. with complimentary streams, which were opposites, so that the whole disappeared into an undefined central core (which was better defined at a late time).

Ignant has made his history clear enough to recognize an independent operator who entered the Outer Order in the streets of New York City where he rose to the top of the heap as a fucking Drug Lord, no less, a position he then abandoned as he headed for law school and the Inner Order, much like Frater Taurus when he stopped sinning and joined the Copus LAus, the Los Angeles Police Department. As Ignant moved through the undefined pylons and pile-ons of life, he was guided by the works of Crowley, and that's why he's here ... but not because he joined a Tong and followed the rules.

Everyone here, reading this epistle during the dark days of minimal LAShTAL posting, when people everywhere are venturing out into a Brave New World of invisible death, will have their own version of how they slugged through their version of the Outer Order, and some will have a tale of Inner Delight and Horror. But not many posters here talk about their "Orders." Chris admits to being enrolled in a recognized (by me and him, but not by The One True Order joke of the Aeon) lineage.

We know of some affiliations by other posters, but they don't get into their details.

The Supernal Order, the reseach rooms and dungeons of the external Doctoral degree, one again chooses their specialty within their chosen school, or perhaps a parallel discipline, and once inside everyone is on their own, overseen by a committee of secret chiefs. A few formal courses may be required, but if one is to earn a PhD, DSc, DBA, etc, they must come up with something NEW that adds to the total body of knowledge.

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Now, you have about whether I addressed Enoch in my book, which portrays a question from someone who has not read it.

Then you state that I discuss Choronzon, but never dealt with the system, which portrays a person who has read the book. Perhaps you only refer to my online comments, and in this case, not the book?

To set the Record straight, as self-verified by me, so it must be true, I have performed the invocations of the 30 AEthyrs. Twice. The first two AEthyrs were engaged in Ensenada, in group formation, myself doing the mumbling in English because I don't do foreign lingos very well, and like Perdurabo, we got stuck there for a while. You know, the international pursuit and the breakup of the Order, and all that. So I took it up again a few years later, alone. Then two of us did it all again in '91.

In '74, I undertook the ritual of the VIIIth AEthyr, in the fullest possible ceremonially-enhanced manner.

But, you're right, I never really dealt with it. I did not obsessively memorize the letters and go around speaking in a flat, neutral Enochian accent. I did not even try to figure out the grammar and the syntax as AC indicated was there ... mainly because I wasn't interested, and I didn't care about those things, because they have absolutely no bearing on the process of liberation. You see, I am not Crowely, Dee, Kelly, or the Queen.

I refer frequently to Choronzon because it is the Thelemic demonified version of, and term for, a naturally-occurring phenomenon that resides at the periphery of normal though, upon the surface of the bubble, sphere, or globe of the personal, human mind. It's nature is dispersion of central focus accompanied by endless utterance of disconnected thoughts. In everyone's mind, it is roof-brain chatter, monkey-mind, or the internal dialog. It is what keeps an ego from seeing the bigger picture.

You have unseated me. I yield the Seat in the East to your butt, because somebody has to keep these forums going while everyone else is running around in the realm of invisible death.

 

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28/05/2020 11:18 pm  

@shiva

 

Now, you have about whether I addressed Enoch in my book, which portrays a question from someone who has not read it.

Then you state that I discuss Choronzon, but never dealt with the system, which portrays a person who has read the book. Perhaps you only refer to my online comments, and in this case, not the book?

 

I haven't read the book , more of a general overview but I do remember the bit about the VIIIth ritual you did, I didn't know that was Enochian so that answers what was going to be my next question.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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29/05/2020 1:06 am  

Oh, I will send you the Chapter that contains some reference to these matters.

The VIIIth AEthyr ceremony has little or no involvement in Enochian. It's just that it was derived from the 30 AEthyrs, which encircle the Earth in concentric circles, writ in English, probably with a British accent, which was the centerpiece of the Crowley Enochian Epic.


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29/05/2020 1:42 am  
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You have unseated me. I yield the Seat in the East to your butt, because somebody has to keep these forums going while everyone else is running around in the realm of invisible death.

"Ain't nobody here but us chickens; ain't nobody here at all..."

(Hobble, hobble, hobble):

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ain't nobody here at all...

Two days. Two revs. And nuthin' runnin' but we three. Don't we have something better to do?

"Not me," said the weenie. "If LAShTAL don't come up in the morn, the Sun will not be born (another day)."

 


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I'm still here but quiet because I'm busy with the ongoing "vectoring" of the Stele.


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I'm still here ...

Oh good. There are a few other folks popping up as well. Let's treat it as a temporary lull after a really busy lockdown rush and assume things will continue and today is not the last day of the World.

However, Assuming that Today (any day) is the Last day of your Life is an interesting practice that can be adopted for practical application of spiritual principles.

 


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Assuming that Today (any day) is the Last day of your Life

I spent most of my life operating on the "Live every day as if it were your last! Would you be satisfied with the last 24 hours if you got hit by a bus today?" principle.

Eventually i noticed my continual failure to, in fact, actually get hit by a bus*, and became somewhat more long-term oriented.

Certainly, however, a worthwhile exercise, albeit less needed after the first couple decades.

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* Any American anxious to get hit by a bus should visit London, where their buses drive startlingly fast compared to US city buses, and on the wrong side of the road. Of course my mother taught me to look both ways, but we all know we look more carefully in the direction speeding buses are supposed to come from. Shout-out to my pal English John for pulling me out of the path of speeding London buses many times on every trip up til this summer, when i failed somehow to step in front of one, but i was only there 2 days.


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02/06/2020 2:49 am  

A person can't live one "last" day at a time around here if nobody shows up to irritate anyone else, just in case anyone needs a "last minute" test of emotional and mental control.


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A person can't live one "last" day at a time around here if nobody shows up to irritate anyone else,

Especially difficult if one's also an octogenarian who's become starved of the oxygen of (self) publicity, one would imagine!

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Especially difficult if one's ... become starved of the oxygen of (self)

Yeah. It's a tricky thing about living the last day of your life. Somewhere during, or at the end of, that day, the (self) bails out.

 


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Yeah. It's a tricky thing about living the last day of your life. Somewhere during, or at the end of, that day, the (self) bails out.

Yup, leaving the proverbial "nothing" (.... sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything...)?

But nonetheless, "cheer up"! 🙂

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02/06/2020 6:33 am  
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But nonetheless, "cheer up"!

Oh, I am cheerful enough. Now that I have discovered I am not the last person on the last day.

Say, that concept has something to do with the Bodhisattva Oath. You know, being the last cow into the barn? But so many fellows have taken that Oath, that there's bound to be a congestion of "No, me last" personnel in the last days. Maybe that's what all the ruckus in the streets is about.

 


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Bodhisattva Oath

You might get to the Duck-headed mystery with this stuff soon. 😉 


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You might get to the Duck-headed mystery with this stuff soon.

The Last Cow into the barn must lock the door.


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@shiva

How do you suggest that situation could come about (if at all)?


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How do you suggest that situation could come about (if at all)?

There are two viewpoints: (1) It takes place at the end of time, when the one great big breath of Brahma finishes it's exhalation as OM, and he inhales for a long time, and somebody has to be the last person standing, and he/she locks the barn door on consciousness because there are no units left out there (here). We are presently said to be in an expansive mode, so the OM's stilling singing, and we needn't wory about it right now, what with the plague and the riots.

(2) The universe is eternal. There will be no end. Nobody has to go to the barn.

Both of these are overridden when the matter is considered as an internal scenario, with the cows and the barn being symbolic of cleaning up one's karma ... or one's barn.

 


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24/06/2020 11:28 pm  

Shiva you kept some bad company back then, $20 Tarot readers, New Age psychic control-freaks and wannabe Edgar Cayce freaks.

 

Man! 

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ou kept some bad company back then

Back when? What are you talking about? There is a quote function, and a response to an immediate post can be traced. You did not ask a question. You made a statement. Please place your statement in some sort of context.

 


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ou kept some bad company back then

Back when? What are you talking about? There is a quote function, and a response to an immediate post can be traced. You did not ask a question. You made a statement. Please place your statement in some sort of context.

 

I've got your book.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/06/2020 9:34 pm  

I believe @dom is referring to the 'Mansion of Metaphysics' section of chapter six of Inside the Law.


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