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 Anonymous
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27/07/2012 11:21 pm  

I am looking for a copy of the second volume of Motta's version of Crowley's Magick Without Tears.    If you have a copy in decent shape at a reasonable price, please contact me.


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Michael Staley
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27/07/2012 11:36 pm  

As a matter of interest, is there much difference between the version published by Germer and that published by Motta?


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27/07/2012 11:56 pm  

There is little difference but I would like to complete my set and the Germer edition is often outrageously priced.    Weiser recently had a copy of Germer's edition at a decent price which went quickly, but the few copies currently available are priced for fools.


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Michael Staley
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28/07/2012 12:10 am  

Thanks, Robert. I was very interested in your post because before reading it I hadn't known that there was a Motta edition. I have thought from time to time about acquiring the Germer edition, but as you say it is usually very expensive when copies do appear on the market. 


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28/07/2012 5:08 am  

Write-up and photo here, they sell for $250 each when they show up for sale:


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28/07/2012 8:01 am  

Was amused at the way my browser cut the right-hand margin of the MWT announcement.
Magick Without Tea ........a dreadful thought 🙂
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28/07/2012 6:38 pm  

The biggest difference between 'em is Motta's comments on the sections deleted by Israel Regardie, and Motta's own chapter Intelligence Services Are Not Intelligent. These are quite funny. Motta's successor has put Motta's version out on the Internet. Search Magick Without Tears Unexpurgated.

Harder to find Vol. II., The Editions that were sold after the Lawsuit often have a blank paste-over over the "O.T.O." on the front cover. Ridiculously overpriced in the Second-Seller market, as are all of Motta's books, and now that the Ira Craddock material has been published elsewhere, ultimately dispensable.


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Michael Staley
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28/07/2012 7:40 pm  

Why would the publication of material by Ira Craddock make the Motta material - whether it's his edition of Magick without Tears, or anything else - "ultimately dispensable"? I don't see the connection.


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29/07/2012 6:36 pm  

THE EQUINOX VOLUME V NUMBERS 1-4 RESPECTIVELY

THE COMMENTARIES OF AL

CONTENTS

THE TITLE
EDITORIAL
INTRODUCTION
THE FIRST CHAPTER
THE SECOND CHAPTER
THE THIRD CHAPTER
THE COMMENT
Liber HAD
Liber NV
The Mass of the Phoenix
Liber Artemis Iota
Liber OZ
The O.T.O. Manifesto
One Star in Sight
Facsimile of the Original Manuscript of Liber AL
Index

SATAN AND CHRIST

CONTENTS

THE TITLE
PRAEMONSTRANCE
POEM IN A STRAIGHT LINE. By Fernando Pessoa
THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER STICK
THE EIGHTH POEM OF THE KEEPER OF THE HERDS. By Fernando Pessoa
THE O.T.O. MANIFESTO
TAKING A STAND. By Soror K.A.
LIBER LXV COMMENTED
UNTITLED POEM
LIBER CCXXXI-A Personal Research. By Marcelo Ramos Motta COMMENTED THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER STICK(II)

THE CHINESE TEXTS OF MAGICK AND MYSTICISM

CONTENTS

THE TITLE
PUBLISHERS NOTE
EDITORIAL
AT THE DOOR. By Claudia Canuto
JAN GAN JING. By Ge Yuan (Aleister Crowley)
MOONBEAMS. By Claudia Canuto
WHAT RABBITS ARE LIKE. By T.C. Brennan
THE SILVERFISH (I) (Reviews)
THE WORM IN THE TOMB. By J. C. Ellis
MEDITATIONS ON LI PO. By Ray Eales
THE DAO DE JING. By Lao Zi, Commented
THE SILVERFISH (II)
FIVESONGS. By Marcelo Motta
THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN
WHAT'S IN A NAME? By Aleister Crowley
THE SILVERFISH (III)
THE YI JING. By Zhou Wen and Zhou Wu, Commented
THE SILVERFISH (IV)
APPENDICIES
DIRECTIVE ONE
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

SEX AND RELIGION

CONTENTS

THE TITLE
EDITORIAL
A LETTTER ON MARRIAGE
POEMS (I)
LEAH SUBLIME
REVIEWS (I)
THE FIELD THEORY OF SEX
POEMS (II)
LIBER DCL
NOTES ON THE PRACTICES
DIARIES 106-07 E.V.
THE PARIS WORKING
THE BAGH-i-MUATTAR
ABJAN-IAL'AIN
REVIEWS (II)
THE WAKE WORLD
HEAVENLY BRIDEGROOMS
PSYCHIC WEDLOCK
WOMAN AND THE FUTURE
REVIEWS(III)
STATEMENT OF THELEMA
REFERENCE INDEX


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29/07/2012 7:17 pm  

THE ORIFLAMME VOLUME VI NUMBERS 1-4 RESPECTIVELY

YOGA and MAGICK

Contents

Title
A Note
Aha (exerpt)
Preliminary Remarks
Asana
Pranyama and Mantrayoga
Yama and Niyama
Pratyahara
Dharana
Dhyana
Samadhi
Summary
Book Reviews
O.T.O. News

MAGICK and MYSTICISM

Contents

Title
Preliminary Remarks
The Temple
The Circle
The Altar
Scourge, Dagger and Chain
The Holy Oil
The Wand
The Cup
An Interlude
The Sword
The Pantacle
The Lamp
The Crown
The Robe
The Book
The Bell
The Lamen
The Magick Fire
Reviews
Toothless but Toothsome
O.T.O. News
Stop Press Notice

MAGICK WITHOUT TEARS Part I

Contents

Title
A Note on Type
Editorial
Foreword
Letter A
Letter B
Letter C
Letter D
Letter E
Letter F
Letter G
Letter H
Letter I
Letter 1-What is Magick?
Letter 2-The necessity of Magick for All
Letter 3-Hieroglyphics
Life and Language Necessarily Symbolic
Letter 4-The Qabalah, the best Training for Memory
Letter 5-The Universe. The 0 = 2 Equation
Letter 6-The Three Schools of Magick (1)
Letter 7-The Three Schools of Magick (2)
Letter 8-The Three Schools of Magick (3)
Letter 9-The Secret Chiefs
Letter 10-The Scolex School
Letter 11-Wooly Pomposities of the Pious "Teacher"
Letter 12-The The Left-Hand Path-The "Black Brothers"
Letter 13-System of the O.T.O.
Letter 14-Noise
Letter 15-Sex Morality
Artemis Iota
Letter 16-On Concentration
Letter 17-Astral Journey, Example. how to Do It,
How to Verify your Experiences
Letter 18-The Importance of
Our Conventional Greetings, Etc.
Letter 19-The Act of Truth
Letter 20-Talismans: The Lamen; the Pantacle
Letter 21-My Theory of Astrology
Letter 22-How to Learn the Practice of Astrology
Letter 23-Improvising a Temple
Letter 24-Necromancy and Spiritism
Letter 25-Fascinations, Invisiblity, Levitation,
Transmutations, "Kinks" in Time
Letter 26-Mental Processes: Two Only are Possible
Letter 27-Structure of Mind Based on that of Body
(Haeckel and Bertrand Russell
Letter 28-Need to Define "God", "Self", Etc
Letter 29-What is Certainty?
Letter 30-Do you Believe in God
Letter 31-Is Thelema a "New Religion"?
Letter 32-How Can a Yogi Ever be Worried?
Letter 33-The Golden Mean
Letter 34-The Dao I
Letter 35-The Dao II
Letter 36-Quo Stet Olympus:
Where the Gods, Angels, Etc., Live
Letter 37-Death-Fear-"Magickal Memory"
Letter 38-Woman-Her Magical Formula
Letter 39-Prophecy
Letter 40-Coincidence
Letter 41-"Are We Reincarnations of
the Ancient Egyptians"?
Letter 42-This "Self" Introversion
Intelligence Services Are Not Intelligent-
The O.T.O. Since Crowley's Death
The Speedy Bookworm (Reviews)
O.T.O. News
Reference Index


MAGICK WITHOUT TEARS Part II

Contents

Title
Editorial
Letter 43-The Holy Guardian Angel Is Not the "Higher Self" But an                      Objective Individual
Letter 44-"Serious Style" of A.C. Or The Apparent Frivolity Of
Some Of My Remarks
Letter 45-'Unserious Conduct Of A Pupil
Letter 46-Selfishness
Letter 47-Reincarnation
Letter 48-Morals Of AL-Hard To Accept And Why Nevertheless
We Must Concur
Letter 49-Thelemic Morality
Letter 50-A.C. And The "Masters": Why They Chose Him, Etc.
Letter 51-How to Recognize Masters, Angels, Etc.,
And How They Work,
Letter 52-Family: Public Enemy No. 1
Letter 53-"Mother-Love"
Letter 54-On "Meanness"
Letter 55-Money
Letter 56-Marriage-Property-War-Politics
Letter 57-Beings I Have Seen With my Physical Eyes
Letter 58-"Do Angels Ever Cut Themselves Shaving
Letter 59-Geomancy
Letter 60-Knack
Letter 61-Power and Authority
Letter 62-The Elastic Mind
Letter 63-Fear, A Bad Astral Vision
Letter 64-Magical Power
Letter 65-Man
Letter 66-Vampires
Letter 67-Faith
Letter 68-The God-Letters
Letter 69-Original Sin
Letter 70-Morality (1)
Letter 71-Morality (2)
Letter 72-Education
Letter 73-"Monsters", Niggers, Jews, Etc.
Letter 74-Obstacles On The Path
Letter 75-The A.'. A.'. And The Planet
Letter 76-The Gods: How And Why They Overlap
Letter 77-Work Worth While: Why?
Letter 79-Progress
Letter 80-Life A Gamble
Letter 81-Method Of Training
Letter 82-Epistola Penultima: The Two Ways To Reality
Letter 83-Epistola Ultima
Intelligence Services Are Not Intelligent-
Or The O.T.O. Since Crowley's Death (2)
(Reviews)
O.T.O. News
O.T.O. Notice of Expulsion of Grady Louis McMurtry
Reference Index

THELEMIC MAGICK Part I

Contents

Title
Editorial
Introduction
Chapter 0: The Magical Theory of the Universe
Chapter I: The Principles of Ritual
Chapter II: The Formulae of the Elemental Weapons
Chapter III: The Formula of Tetragrammaton
Chapter IV: The Formulae of ALHIM and ALIM
Chapter V: The Formula of I.A.O.
Chapter VI: The Formula of the Neophyte
Chapter VII: The Formula of the Holy Grail
Chapter VIII: Of Equilibrium and Other Matters
Chapter IX: Of Silence and Secrecy
Chapter X: Of the Gestures
Chapter XI: Of Our Lady Babalon and of the Beast
Whereon She Rideth; Also Concerning
Transformations
Chapter XII: Of the Bloody Sacrifice
and Matters Cognate
Intelligence Services Are Not Intelligent III
O.T.O. News
(Reviews)
Reference Index

THELEMIC MAGICK Part II

Contents

Title
Parzival XI° O.T.O. Foundation
Editorial
Chapter XIII: Of the Banishings and Purifications
Chapter XIV: Of the Consecrations and An Account
of the Nature and Nurture of the Magical Link
Chapter XVI: Part I. Of the Oath
Chapter XV: Of the Invocation
Chapter XVI: Part II. Of the Charge to the Spirit
with some account of the Constraints and
Curses occasionally necessary
Chapter XVII: Of the Licence to Depart
Chapter XVIII: Of Clairvoyance; and of the Body of
Light. Its Powers and Development.
Also concerning Divination
Chapter XIX: Of Dramatic Rituals
Chapter XX: Of the Eucharist and of the Art of
Alchemy
Chapter XXI: Of Black Magic. Of the Main types of
the Operations of Magic Art.
And of the Powers of the Sphinx
Appendix I: General Literature recommended to
Aspirants for The A.'. A.'. and a list
of the principal books of instruction
issued by the A.'. A.'.
Appendix II: One Star in Sight
Appendix III: Notes on the nature of the "Astral Plane"
Appendix IV: Liber Samekh
Appendix V: A Few of the Principal Correspondences
of the Qabalah reprinted with additions
from 777
Appendix VI: A Few Pricipal Rituals
Grimorum Sanctissimum
Liber XXV: The Star Ruby
Liber XXXVI: The Star Sapphire
Liber XLIV: The Mass of the Phoenix
Liber V vel Reguli
Liber XV: O.T.O. Ecclesae Gnosticae
Catholicae Canonae Missae
Appendix VII: A Few of the Principal Instructions
Authorised by the A.'. A.'.
Liber HHH
Liber E vel Exercitiorum
sub figura IX
Liber O vel Manus Et Sagittae
sub figura VI
Liber Astarte vel Berylli
sub figura CLXXV
Liber RV vel Spiritus
sub figura CCVI
Liber Yod
sub figura DCCCXXI
Liber Stellae Rubeae A Secret Ritual of Apep,
The Heart of IAO - OAI, Delivered unto
V.V.V.V.V. For His Use In A Certain
Matter Of Liber Legis, And Written
Down Under the Figure LXVI
Liber vel Thisharb
sub figura CMXIII
Liber B vel Magi
sub figura I
Liber Resh vel Helios
sub figura CC
Liber III vel Jugorum
Liber Cheth vel Vallum Abiegni
sub figura CLVI
sub Figura CCCLXX
Liber A vel Armorum
Appendix VIII: Contents (from the 1st Edition)
Reference Index


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Azidonis
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29/07/2012 9:37 pm  

"In 1962 e.v. Mr. Germer died under suspicious circumstances, naming a Brazilian citizen, Marcelo Motta, his successor."


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Michael Staley
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29/07/2012 11:51 pm  

Yes, there is likely a connection with that same old can o' worms, Azidonis. I've chewed on a few morsels from that can myself over the years.  However, I still don't see why the publication of the Ira Craddock material should make the Motta corpus "ultimately dispensable".

Seriously, Walterfive, where's the connection?


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 Anonymous
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30/07/2012 12:04 am  
"Azidonis" wrote:
"In 1962 e.v. Mr. Germer died under suspicious circumstances, naming a Brazilian citizen, Marcelo Motta, his successor."

My intent was to provide the contents and manner by which the books were edited for those lacking them and considering their purchase. The worms can do their will without my help.


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Azidonis
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30/07/2012 2:52 am  
"666tsaeb" wrote:
My intent was to provide the contents and manner by which the books were edited for those lacking them and considering their purchase. The worms can do their will without my help.

I was merely pointing out that the statement, which is packed full of claims (true or false), is a can o'worms. Said statement, among others, have been a cause for the various factions that have cropped up over the years.

Your intent was not my concern when making the post.


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michaelclarke18
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30/07/2012 7:26 pm  

That point is rather lost on me, as the OTO holds absolutely no interest whatsoever; so it's best of luck to them and their supporters. Nice corporate logo though.


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 Anonymous
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17/08/2012 1:05 pm  

I have all of Mottas Oriflamme editions and his version of Magick Without Tears is considerably different to Israel Regardies edited version.
There is some 15,000 words reinstated in Mottas versions that Regardie 'edited' from Crowleys original manuscript.

Mottas versions are the closest you can get to Crowleys 1st edition and are considerably cheaper.

Sadly Mottas Oriflammes are painfully fragile with many not surviving the years and those that have being virtually unreadable with fear of cracking the spine and losing pages.

Mine are for very light reference use and never get opened fully.


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ptoner
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17/08/2012 1:48 pm  

What a collection, would love to rumage through that!
For the rest of us, we still awaiting the decade in which the OTO will be releasing their unabridged edition of Magick without Tears.... and Confessions many years later.  tick tock


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 Anonymous
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17/08/2012 2:01 pm  

Ptoner,
93,

You and me alike. I have been waiting for the OTO version for a few years since hearing they were working upon one. The only new work to appear from the OTO for a while was the Astology book which was nice enough but not the sweet stuff we were promised all those years ago.

93 93/93


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 Anonymous
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20/08/2012 6:51 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

http://www.castletower.org/mwt.html

Frater Sphinx of Society O.T.O. has a typescript of Motta's edition of MWT available online for free in HTML format.

Love is the law, love under will.


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 Anonymous
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16/09/2012 7:48 am  

I am also looking for a copy of this.


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 Anonymous
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16/10/2012 11:28 pm  
"horrificus" wrote:
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

http://www.castletower.org/mwt.html

Frater Sphinx of Society O.T.O. has a typescript of Motta's edition of MWT available online for free in HTML format.

Love is the law, love under will.

What's funny is, that this online version is actually much more readable than the original text in the Oriflamme. Motta's comments are in brackets in the book, which makes it at points quite difficult to differentiate between the original text and the comment. In the online version, Motta's comments are in italics. I absolutely adore Motta's Equinox editions and some of the Oriflammes for their "look and feel", but MWT, with its' courier new typeset and paperback binding, is really nothing special, production-wise. Content-wise, you be the judge, but I like Motta's writings a lot and feel that he is very underrated by the thelemic community. His comments to AL, LXV, MWT and Magick are some of the best and most original "thelemic secondary literature" I have read. 
93/93
Timo


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