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William Thirteen
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30/07/2011 7:39 pm  

i apologize if this has already been posted here (i searched but did not find)

if you have $44400.00 burning a hole in your pocket you can pick up this first edition of Frater Achad's "Q.B.L. or The Bride's Reception". Apparently AC's library copy with Achad's inscription to him:

"To my Beloved Father
666
in the hope that this, my
first book, may meet with
his approval
777"

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1031941818

if you do buy it - can i borrow it for a few days? promise to get it back to you 🙂

93,
William


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30/07/2011 8:34 pm  

Crickey, what a bargain! 😉
But seriously:
a) if I read the inscription right it says "baby" not "book".
b) I doubt this will sell. The price is far too dear.
c) No offence to all our American friends, but it seems that concerning out of print books, Americans tend to go nuts with the pricing. If you do find a book which is expensive, I seriously suggest you check out www.zvab.com, amazon.fr, amazon.co.uk, etc. first, before paying extortionate prices!

Markus


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William Thirteen
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30/07/2011 10:23 pm  

thanks for the ZVAB reminder Markus. Now I know what to do the next time i have several thousand Euros laying around...


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30/07/2011 10:25 pm  

Great book. Seriously. His earlier works are fine for the beginner who is looking into Qabalah while scrathing her head or his behind and saying, "WTF?"

Now his earlier books are great, but his later books start to tilt a bit. When he turned the Tree of Life upside down (a perfectly reasonable attempt to defeat reason and see things from "the other side), Therion thought he had flipped his lid and told him so. To which Achad told Therion to F***-off as he (Achad) was an Ipsissimus and who was a mere Magus to be criticizing his work?

Well, hell. Achad did it. He cracked the code. He was certainly a player in the highest degree - for a while. Sometimes the Clear Light just uses someone, and then that high-wire connection gets broken; probably because the person'e ego was just too strong; the f***ing ego always takes over any archetypal scenario. It might have been blasted and held at bay during the peak voltage, but as soon as the "crisis" relaxes, the f***ing ego recovers and steps in to claim its superiority. I guess I'm trying to hint at the possibility of Achad not being the Magister Templi so blaringly announced in The Blue Equinox.

Who got cast aside? Mathers. Achad. Tesla. Therion?

Almost everyone here surely knows that tale; I am merely summarizing it for anyone who's not familiar with Frater Achad, who once was my hero.

Anyway, I recommend the book, and you can save $44,440.00 by simply dowloading it for free from:
http://hermetic.com/browe-archive/achad/qbl/QBL%20title%20and%20TOC.ht m"> http://hermetic.com/browe-archive/achad/qbl/QBL%20title%20and%20TOC.htm
It's not copyrighted.

As to "American Pricing," we note that it (the book) is SHIPPED FROM CANADA, which is, of course, "America." Well, so is Mexico, Guatemala and Chile too. It's North and South America, the two continents, joined at the canal, who are over-pricing these collector's items.

I suppose it would be impolite of me to note that the highest-ever asking price for an original, new, SIGNED and LAMEN-SEALED by the author, copy of Inside Solar Lodge - Outside the Law, is
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Inside-Solar-Lodge-Aleister-Crowley-OTO-Rare-OOP-/16048898972 4"> http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Inside-Solar-Lodge-Aleister-Crowley-OTO-Rare-OOP-/160488989724
who was asking $393 (down from over $400), now only $263.31 - what a bargain). But wait a minute! That's an Australian, not an American.

Now I must wonder, what is an "American" with his over-pricing shall be the whole of the Law? Is it what it USUALLY means? - A United Statesian? Like me, a white boy with ancestors from England and Luxemborg and Austria? Who sold his own author-given copies with PERSONALIZED greetings and sig and lamen seal at auction for about $80 on eBay. Or is it those "Jewish Americans" (some European governments have had financial criticisms of Jewish bankers and storekeepers in the past).

It looks to me like the high-price leaders are in Australia and Canada, and everybody really knows they are not "Americans." Maybe it's those black Americans? I know it's not the NATIVE Americans, like those on the Rez near my home.

Now that we've addressed financial policies, let's go back for ONE POINT about Achad: I think he gave a clue, one of the best clues, to the concept of the holographic structure of consciousness. That "clue" is based on the idea of any given Kether being the Tiphereth of the next larger-higher dimsion in the hologram. A picture is worth a thousand words, and I'm all worded out. behold:


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obscurus
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30/07/2011 10:56 pm  

Whilest we are speaking of books and money, how about we do something here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130554510161&ih=003&category=29223&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1 and not wait till the last minute...K-no what I mean? 😉


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Michael Staley
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30/07/2011 11:19 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
It's not copyrighted.

Not wishing to split hairs, but it is IS copyrighted. It's just that in the USA, by virtue of having been first published prior to 1923, the book is now deemed in the "public domain". In the UK, and in most other countries, it is still within copyright; as such, publication needs the authorisation of Achad's adopted son, Anthony Stansfeld Jones.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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Shiva
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31/07/2011 12:30 am  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
Not wishing to split hairs, but it is IS copyrighted. In the UK, and in most other countries, it is still within copyright;

But that's a perfectly fine hair to split. This difference in International matters of all kinds needs to be brought to light and to be understood.

Apparently, copyrights are like foreign currencies and coins. Their "standards" are not all the same.
Does this mean that an Internet user in the U.K. cannot legally view or download QBL, while a user in the USA can?
If it's an illegal link in the U.K., then it cannot be posted on lashtal!
Although I think Hermetic.com is responsible in these matters, but I certainly don't know if they sought out any permission.

Thanks, Sh.'.

The moral: Act fast if you want to save $44440.00, because the download link is subject to deletion if it turns out it it can't legally be posted in the U.K., which would violate lashtal guidelines.

Another way to save $44440.00 would be to conduct your own search. Google is the Borg, but it can show you the way.

The third and final degree, er option, is to buy the book new or used at Amazonia or eBay, where it is really rather inexpensive.


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31/07/2011 8:53 am  

I picked up the paperback for about 4 greenbacks at a used bookstore not too long ago. Great book, excellent introduction to the Qabalah and Achad's own Qabalistic concepts and ideas are intriguing.
I'll never understand the collector mindset though. That must take some kind of a sick and dedicated obsession.


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William Thirteen
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31/07/2011 10:42 am  

mmm...sick & dedicated indeed...a delightfully excruciating malady...


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31/07/2011 3:15 pm  

I have the Weiser 1972 hardback edition, a wonderful little book. I think it can still be found for a reasonable price if you hunt around.

One little curiosity in my copy, the colour plate of the Tree of Life between pages 36 and 37 of the appendix is...upside down.....


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31/07/2011 6:02 pm  
"AEternitas" wrote:
Great book, excellent introduction to the Qabalah and Achad's own Qabalistic concepts and ideas are intriguing.

You can see how he could have been my hero when I was a beginner, especially with Crowley showering him with roses in the Blue Equinox; of course, that installment only covered his tale up through Neophyte. One had to dig around to see what happened after that. The sudden leaping forth to Magister Templi - the express elevator, that is, zooming up from the second floor (Yesod) to the eighth (Binah) without any stops at those unimportant, intervening floors. Then the rise to Ipsissimus (the Penthouse on the eleventh floor - if you allow for an unmarked floor "X" for the Abyss) and after that? Somehow Smith was involved with Achad, and he came to L.A. and was the driving force behind (and in front of) Agape Lodge, whose membership included Frater Aquarius, who was my grand-teacher (like a grand-parent) and the link through Capricornus to me. Holy Cow - Hathoor by name! I am a lineal descendent of Achad and I never really figured that out 'til just now. No wonder he was my hero.

We really do need to accept that there are two initiatory currents (well, maybe two types of the samme current). One is where you start out as a student and go: 0-1-2-3-4-DL-5-6-7-X-8-9-10 >>>. These people will probably be safe and they wont go crazy - permanently - because they're "grounded."

The other is where the Magister is born, instantly, and ninth-degree members get their grade by battlefield promotion, not having passed through the lower grades in any reasonable order (see: Bennett, Hymenaeus, et al), or where any sensitive person gets attracted to some powerhouse like Crowley, and once under his spell [that is, his energetic influence - his aura] he or she gets zapped with extra-terrestrial or otherwise superhuman capacities. For a little while.

People who were around Crowley, in close that is, tended to go insane. Not many of his associates went on to greater glory after they left him. There are a few who held on to sanity AND the path, probably because they had really earned the grade and weren't just sucked in by the cosmic wind. Who? Wolfe, Smith, Aquarius, McMurtry. Many others, surely. At least they continued the work, and didn't drop back into dull normality or even poverty or suicide.

Germer was an example of high grades without passing through the gates in order - or AT ALL if what they say is true. Although he could be considered "stable," he was mostly Crowley's "rich man from the west," and the caretaker of the necropolis. He gave up. He closed the Order.

"AEternitas" wrote:
I'll never understand the collector mindset though. That must take some kind of a sick and dedicated obsession.

Be careful what you say shall be the whole of the Law. There are those Lashtalians, our brethren so to speak, who have this disease. I believe we should look upon them as specificly-hardwired to collect, cherish and preserve. Since cost is no factor to them (once they have the funds in hand), the price gets driven up. Some people collect and preserve coins, stamps and little toy soldiers; others collect Crowley-related material - ONLY - or at least, specifically.

I was one of these. In the early 60's, just before (and during) the Dawn of Aquarius through legal endemic-epidemic LSD molecules, I would save up my "lunch money" and grab any Crowley book (unless we already had it). But this wasn't Crowley-Liberphilia, it was getting ahold of the info the only way possible: buy holding a book. No internet, no reprints in those days - just original Crowley books on the used market in Hollywood, on Holltwood Blvd no less - the avenue of the stars!

After that, as time went by, if I had my choice between an original or a reprint, I'd get the reprint to save a few dollars. So I guess I really don't qualify for the collector's club.

Now those originals are really expensive and the early reprints command a hefty price as well. In the end, four years ago exactly, I sold all my "Crowley Books" but one. Which one? Gems from the Equinox. I now maintain a complete digital copy of (I believe) everything. More or less - there's always a loose end. I really really most assuredly don't qualify for the "original hard-copy" collector's club.


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01/08/2011 9:12 pm  

I disagree, Wolf. I refuse to buy an expensive copy "because it's the only one available", that's giving permission to raped financially. I usually wait, and another copy eventually presents itself usually for pennies on the dollar for what I would have paid for it.


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01/08/2011 9:20 pm  
"Walterfive" wrote:
I disagree, Wolf. I refuse to buy an expensive copy "because it's the only one available", that's giving permission to raped financially. I usually wait, and another copy eventually presents itself usually for pennies on the dollar for what I would have paid for it.

I wish I was able to exhibit that degree of self control!
😀

I'm definitely one of the collectors Shiva mentions. The process brings me joy though and I derive no pleasure from parsing information stored in PDF form...


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Shiva
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01/08/2011 11:55 pm  
"einDoppelganger" wrote:
... I derive no pleasure from parsing information stored in PDF form...

What you are saying here is that there is (at least) a portion of your consciousness that has not been assimilated by the Borg. Congratulations.


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02/08/2011 1:08 am  

I have a copy of the first edition of the pdf.


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Shiva
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02/08/2011 3:58 am  
"AEternitas" wrote:
I have a copy of the first edition of the pdf.

But is it signed ?


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02/08/2011 1:49 pm  
"wolf354" wrote:
I guess I am to blame for buying a lot of books that will give me much to read for the next 20 years (at least).

Oh! Well I suppose we're *all* guilty of that. I only got six more years and I retire with all the lovely books I've collected. I'll finally have the time to read them all, providing I don't go blind between now and then 😉


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William Thirteen
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04/08/2011 4:08 pm  

so here is a question which occurred to me and which perhaps someone here could cast some 'clear light' upon.

if indeed this edition was Crowley's library copy, what long and wandering road must it have traveled down to arrive at TBCL (along with the other volumes from Crowley's personal library listed on their site)

http://www.securenet.net/tbcl/TBCL_AHOME_Crowley1.htm

here in Germany 'Provenance' is a big deal these days as adherence to the Washington Conference Principles (governing the return of Nazi looted art) require a full accounting of the provenance of all objects in state collections. I have had some conversations with museum workers regarding the database structures they use and it would be fascinating to implement such a database for AC related material.

i suppose this is somewhat related to the thread on AC's bookshelves.

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-5164-highlight-library.phtml


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Michael Staley
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04/08/2011 5:40 pm  
"wolf354" wrote:
It won't be surprising if it also brings the end of books as we know it (with the exception of deluxe editions and not much more)
Best regards,

I don't think it spells the end of the book. It's a very convenient way of storing and carrying a lot of books, and it's increasingly common to see people using them. However, I think that some people will continue to prefer the physicality of a book in their hands. For some, it's not simply a matter of absorbing information in the most functional, efficient and cost-effective way possible.

I'm probably unlikely to be around to savour vindication, but it's my belief that a hundred years from now some people will still be buying and reading books - albeit in smaller quantities than now, perhaps - alongside whatever the redevelopments are of Kindle, iPad, etc.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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04/08/2011 6:41 pm  

Printing the books, including lamens inside, and similar things, is very important thing for materialization of teaching on material plane. Or better to say for connection with egregore. As well as burning the books for reversing process. And I doubt, at least because of this, that printed books and documents will disapear.


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