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 Anonymous
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06/06/2009 10:16 am  

A second edition of this acclaimed volume of practical working with the grimoires from Scarlet Imprint.

Thelemites will be particularly interested in the wealth of material on Liber 231.

In stock now for immediate dispatch 6/6/09

HOWLINGS various
edited by Alkistis Dimech

HOWLINGS is an octavo book of two hundred and ten pages, four sumptuous colour plates, handsomely designed and bound in peacock blue and gilt stamped cloth in a limited second edition of 666 copies.

This Edition is numbered sequentially from 334 to 999 inclusive.
The text remains the same as the first edition, though redesigned throughout.

A copy can be yours for the princely sum of thirty-three English pounds plus postage.

HOWLINGS comprises fourteen original and extensive essays which explore the Grimoires. These are passionate, informed and evocative pieces which create a unique testament to the vibrancy of the modern magickal current.

Our writers pursue knowledge, power and wisdom through the pages of:

The Picatrix
The Goetia, or Lesser Key of Solomon
Four Books of Occult Philosophy
The Voudon Gnostic Workbook
Liber 231
Qutub
And the Grimoire itself

Our esteemed writers are,
David Rankine
Donald Tyson
Peter Grey
David Beth
Stafford Stone
Paul Hughes-Barlow
Krzysztof Azarewicz
Jack Macbeth
Thea Faye
Aleq Grai
Hafiz Batin
and the anonymous author of The Grimoire of Pharaon

Taking the established experts and ranging them alongside raw and hungry voices, we are creating a quite beautiful monstrosity of staggering scope. With the actual accounts of working magickians from a whole range of traditions, this is a unique collection.

Prepare to be delighted, inspired and intoxicated.

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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 10:38 am  

One hesitates to point this out, but your first edition of 'Howlings' was sold as a "limited edition", and this virtue was - naturally - trumpeted as one of its great selling points.

Now you're publishing a second edition of your limited edition. Will this one be "limited" too? Why, in some circles this could be viewed as a form of dishonesty!

I shall, however, invest in your second "limited" edition of the first "limited edition" - as long as the foil doesn't come off on my fingers this time.

If it goes on like this I shall have to get a bigger coffee table.

o


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 11:22 am  

The selling point is the quality of the writing, and the fact that we are taking the risk of publishing new writers in a conservative market of reissues.

As for the reprint issue, see Xoanon et al...
There is no dishonesty in second editions in publishing.

Furthermore, though we have redesigned the layout and design, if you already own this volume there is no reason to purchase it again. What would be cynical would be to include new material to entice people to buy it a second time. Instead we have commissioned a second volume for release late this year giving voice to more new writers.

The demand for Howlings was much greater than we expected and rather than see books changing hands for obscene values through speculators we made the decision to make the text available for students of the grimoires.

Our intent as a publisher is to encourage practical work with these books, rather than being museum pieces. This is the line we walk.

Some of the first edition lost gold foil, however we have changed printers and constantly increase the quality of our production whilst keeping our books as affordable as possible.

You are going to need a bigger coffee table.
Plenty more books of original and much needed material are on the way.

I'm unlikely to be checking back and responding to the forum, as we're preparing for Equinox as ever we respond to every email through scarlet imprint.com

We'd be interested to see discussion on the Liber 231 material on Lashtal rather than on the reprint 'issue'. Especially with both Typhonian and Caliphate perspectives sitting side by side in the book.

My best

Peter Grey


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 11:38 am  

No, sorry - extending a "limited edition" of 333 to one of 999 a few months down the line is entirely against the spirit, as well as the letter, of the thing. Perhaps you could at least drop "limited edition" from your ads, given that you might change your mind.

We'd be interested to see discussion on the Liber 231 material on Lashtal rather than on the reprint 'issue'.

I'm sure you would...

o


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 11:44 am  
"luciferrofocale" wrote:
[...] rather than see books changing hands for obscene values through speculators we made the decision to make the text available for students of the grimoires.

That is the best damn motivation in the history of esoteric publishing! I wish all publishers of books would follow your good example.

I mörkret, vägen!

MI


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lashtal
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08/06/2009 1:40 pm  

Peter,

I speak as an admirer of the book in question, however:

"luciferrofocale" wrote:
There is no dishonesty in second editions in publishing...

... is a little disingenuous. Second editions are, of course, pretty much the norm. What you've published here, though, with stylistic enhancements, is an expansion of the same edition, as evidenced by:

"luciferrofocale" wrote:
This Edition is numbered sequentially from 334 to 999 inclusive.

It doesn't bother me personally - I have no plans to sell my copy - but it strikes me as an odd commercial decision for a small press publisher that relies so much on good will to set a precedent such as this.

"luciferrofocale" wrote:
We'd be interested to see discussion on the Liber 231 material on Lashtal rather than on the reprint 'issue'.

I agree absolutely. Tell you what, as your main interest in publishing is simply to "make the text available for students of the grimoires", I hereby formally offer to host that text here on LAShTAL.COM, unedited and free to all, to promote its widest circulation and to promote informed discussion.

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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 3:27 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
...but it strikes me as an odd commercial decision for a small press publisher that relies so much on good will to set a precedent such as this.

Quite. And I expect that it is a decision which has been noted by more than a handful of customers and potential customers.

"luciferrofocale" wrote:
We'd be interested to see discussion on the Liber 231 material on Lashtal rather than on the reprint 'issue'.

I agree absolutely. Tell you what, as your main interest in publishing is simply to "make the text available for students of the grimoires", I hereby formally offer to host that text here on LAShTAL.COM, unedited and free to all, to promote its widest circulation and to promote informed discussion.

A very generous offer, and a discussion I look forward to seeing.

Cheers, VK


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 5:23 pm  

Well, on the upside, I gather that the problem of the gold foil coming off has been solved with this edition. That was a major problem IMHO, as that could not only make some feel that the quality is not as good as S.I. claim, and also could decrease the value of those copies where the foil was "foiled". (pun intended) :D......I hope they take you up on your offer, Paul! 8)


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lashtal
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08/06/2009 5:36 pm  

I started my post with an honest statement:

"lashtal" wrote:
I speak as an admirer of the book in question

Unfortunately, it would appear that what was intended as constructive observation was misconstrued.

Luciferrofocale responded by Private Message, instructing me to delete the thread and close his account, adding that "we will no longer be posting releases on Lashtal as it degenerates into pettiness without informed discussion."

I have, as requested, closed his account but I will not delete the thread: the Guidelines are clear on this point and doing so requires the deletion of posts by other members. In short: it's not appropriate.

It is to be regretted that things played out this way. Long standing members will be aware that I am a great enthusiast for small press Thelemic works such as Fulgur, Teitan, et al.

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IAO131
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08/06/2009 5:44 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
I started my post with an honest statement:

"lashtal" wrote:
I speak as an admirer of the book in question

Unfortunately, it would appear that what was intended as constructive observation was misconstrued.

Luciferrofocale responded by Private Message, instructing me to delete the thread and close his account, adding that "we will no longer be posting releases on Lashtal as it degenerates into pettiness without informed discussion."

I have, as requested, closed his account but I will not delete the thread: the Guidelines are clear on this point and doing so requires the deletion of posts by other members. In short: it's not appropriate.

It is to be regretted that things played out this way. Long standing members will be aware that I am a great enthusiast for small press Thelemic works such as Fulgur, Teitan, et al.

93,

Thats really too bad because it seems pretty disingenuous to not only release this 'second limited edition' or whatever, but also to act so silly in a private message. If anything, this thread (and the news item which I assume you can delete without misgivings?) is giving Howlings some of the only publicity it will get, degenerate pettiness or not. Yet I feel not addressing the issue and calling others 'petty' is really degenerating the conversation. Oh well.

IAO131


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 5:54 pm  

Hey hey, I didn't mean to start that sort of fuss! I hope, LuciferR, that you're not really going to "take your ball and go home"?

o


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michaelclarke18
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08/06/2009 7:07 pm  

Well, as someone who missed the first edition, I am quite happy to see a second edition being published. I was never, ever going to pay +100 pounds for the pleasure of reading it.


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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 11:23 pm  

Hmm, spose I'll have to use Myspace to keep abreast of what interesting titles might come from this imprint, since they seem to have turned down the invite to put their stuff online for people to download for nothing, in direct contravention to the oft quoted morals of this here site. Oh well.


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lashtal
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08/06/2009 11:30 pm  
"BlueKephra" wrote:
they seem to have turned down the invite to put their stuff online for people to download for nothing, in direct contravention to the oft quoted morals of this here site. Oh well.

"The morals of this here site"? And what do you imagine them to be?

Since when did LAShTAL.COM object to anyone "putting their stuff online for people to download for nothing"?

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 Anonymous
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08/06/2009 11:48 pm  

Although the front of Howlings says "copyright Scarlet Imprint" , I imagine the individual authors might be a bit miffed if their words were put on Lashtal in some sort of gesture of appeasement to yourself for deciding to reprint the volume. I see no such indignation directed towards the Kenneth Grant reprints, although they probably didn't say "this is a strict edition of 333 copies" in them. The "morals" comment, badly phrased as it is , refers to the fact that anyone who even hints at looking for some way of downloading material on the web that may or may not be copyright certain organisations, gets a strict telling off. Then because someone else has pissed you off they get challenged to put up their copyrighted material for nowt.
I just think it's way over the top.
Interesting book, even if the gold leaf does come off all over the place and i can't make head nor tail of David Beths chapter !


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lashtal
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09/06/2009 12:02 am  

Well, I've clearly rattled your cage, BlueKephra, which is unfortunate as I've enjoyed your participation here over several years.

Although I do take your point -- and I'm not at all comfortable that this thread resulted in the departure of Luciferrofocale -- I think you overstate things when referring to "a gesture of appeasement." My offer was serious and was an invitation for copyright issues to be legitimately offset to enable an open discussion of the material, as was proposed by Peter himself.

I'm glad you mention the work of Starfire: are you suggesting that Mick has ever "extended" an edition in the same way as described above? In the same way, that is, that Scarlet Imprint have done on this occasion and, I'm reliably informed, on other occasions, too?

Just for the record, Luciferrofocale did not "piss me off" and I did not "challenge" him: I offered him the opportunity to initiate an open discussion of that most intriguing of the Holy Books, Liber 231.

And as for your comment about "downloading material on the web that may or may not be copyright"? Well, perhaps that statement speaks for itself.

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 Anonymous
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09/06/2009 12:38 am  

My cage is unrattled, but I demand a bigger one and longer chains.
What does "unfortunate as I've enjoyed your participation...." mean?
I make no such suggestions about Starfire, and am offended that you are attempting to imply that I did.
And your last comment speaks for itself. Why is there no way to delete your own account? I'd appreciate it if you did this for me. Thank you.


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lashtal
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09/06/2009 5:06 pm  
"BlueKephra" wrote:
make no such suggestions about Starfire, and am offended that you are attempting to imply that I did.

My inference from your comment:

"Bluekephra" wrote:
I see no such indignation directed towards the Kenneth Grant reprints
"BlueKephra" wrote:
Why is there no way to delete your own account? I'd appreciate it if you did this for me. Thank you.

Done.

Oh the deep bloody joy of running this site.

Thread locked.

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