You can always buy the 1978 10 volume set from Inveha. It'll cost you €1000,- which is as good a deal as you'll get from a German antiquarian: http://www.inveha.de/

Just do a normal search on their site (using the option suche).

Markus

I would not consider spending that kind of money on a set. I am not trying to create a world leading occult library, what's important to me is the information. A number of bound A4 laser print outs is more than good enough for me!

That's one of the points where you and me differ, Michael.

You ought to "Like" the page "Buying Crowley Books" on Facebook, if you're a member of that social site. I post such bargains on it as I can find on such things, as do others. I recall announcing a $325 copy of the 2-volume set in Very Good  condition a few months ago, and other people sometimes post their Crowley E-bay auctions and such.

Walter, that was a facsimile copy though, from 1998, being sold on Weiser.
Way to cheap to be the real McCoy unfortunately. 🙁

Good place as any for a bargin tho. 🙂

If I had the money, I would buy the originals....at least that would give time to read and fully digest them! I also think that might be cheaper than buying some of the Weiser reprints.

The originals are momentarily up on ebay for 1,900 € starting bid. The Weiser reprints are available for 1000 €

Cheers, terra trema!

I have been advised though, that the original 1st edition Equinoxes are but mere museum pieces these days. They are so fragile that you cannot actually read them. So for a reading copy, the Weiser reprints from '72 e.v., '78 e.v. and to a lesser extent the '92 e.v. edition seem to be the way to go. 

The 1st edition set sold for 1,900 €. I was totally sure it would go for more than that. Some people missed out on a great opportunity here. Me, I am just happy the wife forbid me to bid on this item, or I may have spent a lot of money tonight.

Condition wasn't great, though there were a couple of deluxes.

That's somewhat true: I sold a "mixed" set of the original Equinox about 20 years ago, three volumes were the limited edition white sailcloth, the rest were the commonly bound editions.  You're quite correct that the commonly bound volumes have become quite fragile, the glue used to bind the spines cracks quite easily and you can break it's back with no effort... and that was their condition 20 years ago! Not a reading copy, but the paper of the pages itself is was low enough in acid content that one should consider getting such volumes rebound. I've seen a couple of the original sailcloth subscription sets in friend's collections that are holding up pretty well (one with uncut endpapers!)

I bought my set at an antiquarian book seller's here in Houston for $750 and doubled my money in a few weeks after the novelty of owning a 1st Edition set wore off. (If they'd *all* been the white sailcloth, I probably wouldn't have sold the set, but I already had the Weiser 2nd Edition from 1974 and needed a couple of house payments.) You might wish to avoid the Weiser two-volume box set, some people find those books to be rather unwieldly-- you don't want to open it in your hands, you want to open it on a table or lectern. Some people find the paper on that edition to be a little thin, but it's Japanese-made paper that's designed to be light, IIRC, without it, they'd never have been able to take all 10 volumes and make them a 2-volume set. The 5-Volume Boxed Mandrake & Holmes set (made about 10 years ago, IIRC) is *very* nice, but rather more expensive than any of the Weiser Editions. Good bargains can be found on Ebay auctions from time to time, if you're lucky; there was a Buy It Now 1992 Edition in VG condition for $625 U.S. available 2 months ago, that's the cheapest I've ever seen that set go for.

If anything was ripe for reprinting, then that would be it. I just wish the OTO would pull its finger out - it's the works of Crowley we want, not the scholarly, meticulous additions by various OTO luminaries - which seem to take years & years to prepare.

You mean like:

Book 4/Liber ABA/Magick
Commentaries on The Holy Books
Astrology
The Vision and the Voice
The 2-volume unexpurgated Equinox reprint
Gems From The Equinox
Wilkinson's edit of The Law Is For All
Equinox III:10
Liber Aleph - The Book of Wisdom and Folly
Thelema: The Holy Books
The Heart of the Master
Eight Lectures on Yoga
Tao Teh Ching
Little Essays Toward Truth
Oriflamme 1 and 2
The Drug and Other Stories
Simon Iff and Other Stories
... etc.

Yeah, what do they think they're doing?

Cos I want... Whatever...

You mean like:

Book 4/Liber ABA/Magick
Commentaries on The Holy Books
Astrology
The Vision and the Voice
The 2-volume unexpurgated Equinox reprint
Gems From The Equinox
Wilkinson's edit of The Law Is For All
Equinox III:10
Liber Aleph - The Book of Wisdom and Folly
Thelema: The Holy Books
The Heart of the Master
Eight Lectures on Yoga
Tao Teh Ching
Little Essays Toward Truth
Oriflamme 1 and 2
The Drug and Other Stories
Simon Iff and Other Stories
... etc.

Yeah, what do they think they're doing?

Lazy sods.

Gems from the Equinox? Isn't that a compilation by Regardie, and not the OTO?

Markus

It's a compilation by Regardie, kept in print in a new edition by OTO with Regardie's preface edited and annotated by Bill Breeze.

🙂

Book 4/Liber ABA/Magick
Commentaries on The Holy Books
Astrology
The Vision and the Voice
The 2-volume unexpurgated Equinox reprint
Gems From The Equinox
Wilkinson's edit of The Law Is For All
Equinox III:10
Liber Aleph - The Book of Wisdom and Folly
Thelema: The Holy Books
The Heart of the Master
Eight Lectures on Yoga
Tao Teh Ching
Little Essays Toward Truth
Oriflamme 1 and 2
The Drug and Other Stories
Simon Iff and Other Stories

I was wondering over how many years the above were published over?

Interesting to compare to Three Hands Press or Fulgur, both small publishers, far less resources, and with a list of titles just as long - and they usually publish completely original works too; unlike most of the above, some of which have been published a few times already.

But perhaps the OTO has less money?

Dunno. You have access to Amazon, just as we all do. Let us know when you've worked out the mean.

Talking of 'mean'... Meanwhile, what would you have the OTO publish that (1) isn't in the public domain, (2) hasn't already been published by them, and (3) isn't in the list of forthcoming attractions?

The earliest book, I can find, published by the OTO was in 1998. So in the 15 years since then, the OTO has published 15 books - the Wordsworth editions cannot be included as they are published by another company.

So, all in all, I'm not sure that the performance of the OTO is that good. Especially so, when you consider a publisher like the Three Hands Press has published 12 books since 2006, which are wholly original works, never previously published.

What a weird comparison. One is a publisher, publishing is their business, they publish many authors. The other is the publishing arm of an order, carefully republishing AC's works or bringing unpublished works to the public. Sometimes even with the help of other publishing companies at prices that are simply unbeatable. I am just imagining the outcry if the OTO would have brought us The Drug and other stories or the Simon Iff series in six limited goatskin-bound deluxe editions and some hardbacks only. Sure, Three Hands Press sell marvellously bound books, sometimes even blank pages marvellously bound at 120 bucks.

I don't know, but the dislike for the OTO (I am in no way affiliated with the order) really overshadows many people's common sense: Sometimes they don't do enough "original work", sometimes they don't publish enough, sometimes they publish too much only to make money. Why don't you go and try to find affordable copies of Chumbley's or Schulke's or Bertiaux' complete works? Thanks to Michael and Starfire Grant's work is becoming affordable again, though there is also not much more than a book a year (or so). What's wrong about that? Compared with the publishing accomplishments of the OTO(s) before HB, I think the OTO is doing a wonderful job. Of course I would love to see them meeting their annouced publishing dates more accurately, but so far the books were always worth the wait.

Well...

Love=Law
Lutz

Absolutely! Nicely stated. And I, too, am in no way 'affiliated with the order'.

What a weird comparison. One is a publisher, publishing is their business, they publish many authors. The other is the publishing arm of an order, carefully republishing AC's works or bringing unpublished works to the public.

Not a weird comparison at all. They are both publishing arms related to occult groups. Ever heard of the Cultus Sabbatti? Perhaps you haven't - but that's the one related to the Three Hands Press and Xoanon.

I am just imagining the outcry if the OTO would have brought us The Drug and other stories or the Simon Iff series in six limited goatskin-bound deluxe editions and some hardbacks only.

Is that not what they are going to do with the AC diaries? And their edition of 'Magick' can hardly be called a 'budget' edition.

I don't know, but the dislike for the OTO (I am in no way affiliated with the order) really overshadows many people's common sense:

I have little feelings about the OTO either way; I feel that you are projecting your own feelings there, so you must speak for yourself alone.

Why don't you go and try to find affordable copies of Chumbley's or Schulke's or Bertiaux' complete works?

I do. If you bother to look at the Three Hands Press website, you will see lots of examples of affordable Chumbley books.

The point I am making, is that as the only publisher of AC's books, the OTO haven't exactly excelled at getting AC's books out into the world. Look at all of the books by AC that used to be available in the 'old days' before the copyrights were enforced....now very little comes out. No new Equinox in many, many years.....and it isn't as if they have to add much new material - just do a reprint. Yeah?

I am not in the mood to go much further into that, and I wasn't specifically talking about you alone. One thing I have to say though: I can only see two affordable Chumbley books (of course, maybe affordable means something different to you), and these are not nearly the major works of him, which Xaonon published. Still, I find the comparison weird. And I highly appreciate Three Hands Books.

Yes, that's obviously true. Because everyone could publish what he wanted. Just take a copy of the Collected Works and voilà! 25 Gordon hardbacks! The major works of AC still were mostly in some way connected with the OTO (although there were different OTOs then): The Confessions, Magick, Liber Aleph, The Law is For All, Liber AL commentaries, MWT, Little Essays etc. If Grant, Chumbley, Bertiaux works were not protected by copyrights, you would of course find many more titles of them around in print, and much more online. But you don't, the copyright holders rightly don't want to.

What are you missing exactly which is not "in preperation"? And which is of course really essential?

I am not projecting anything. I am simply observing. There is a wide-spread dislike for the OTO. Some people may be quite reasonable about that, but mostly it boils down to: They got the copyrights to Crowley but they shouldn't.

Yeah! But again, reprint what exactly?

Now we should probably get back to the topic of "the Equinox"...

Love=Law
Lutz

Still, I find the comparison weird.

Both are occult publishers, both are related to a particular organisation - in my view it's rather apt. It's only weird in the sense that one is very much 'alive' and producing new material.

Why don't you go and try to find affordable copies of Chumbley's or Schulke's

I think you have confirmed that.

If Grant, Chumbley, Bertiaux works were not protected by copyrights, you would of course find many more titles of them around in print, and much more online. But you don't, the copyright holders rightly don't want to.

The point is that AC's works were for many years. And those years were both rich and varied years - as far as AC related books were concerned. Unlike now, which I find sparse in comparison.

I am not projecting anything. I am simply observing. There is a wide-spread dislike for the OTO.

I know nothing of this widespread dislike. Some people have different views, not sure if there is anything widespread.

Yeah! But again, reprint what exactly?

The Equinox of course - the subject of this thread!

If a person just wanted a set of The Equinox in book form and didn't worry too much about fancy bindings they could get a pdf from the internet somewhere (there are several versions) and, from the comfort of their armchair, forward it to Lulu or some other internet printing company and get back a readable copy for about $15 a volume.

Of course if the layout or some other feature wasn't too special they'd have to wait for someone to bring out a more nicely edited reprint or go for overpriced second hand.

But just hang on a few years until the last of the baby-boomers have smoked themselves to death and all the charity/thrift shops will be awash with first editions cast there by their careless survivors.

OK

ROFLMAO 🙂 🙂 🙂

But just hang on a few years until the last of the baby-boomers have smoked themselves to death and all the charity/thrift shops will be awash with first editions cast there by their careless survivors.

There may actually be something in that. The average age of people into AC, and the OTO, has got to be around late 40s to mid 50s now. A bit like a church congregation, in fact.

What about Peaches Geldof and her hordes of “followers”?  Aren’t there about 150,000?  If 1% of those are seriously interested enough to follow up with independent research, that’s 1,500 in the teenage to late twenties agespan, I would have thought.  (However not all of them will be rushing off to join the “Caliphornian" O.T.O. either, I would also have thought…)

Suddenly feeling old before my time,
Norma N. Joy Conquest

Picking from the bottom of the barrel, are you?

My survivors are sometimes aghast at what I've estimated my library to be worth; no chance they'll end up at the Goodwill or flea market.

I have a complete Equinox Vol 1 1-10 white with gold lettering that I will let go for good price. The set is well used so I will sell it for a realistic value. email me at frank at nephilim press dot com (don't know if we are allowed to list private email addresses here so sorry if I am breaking the rules.) frank@nephilimpress.com and we can discuss it.
Frank

As a very rough guide.

1974 Set complete with Blue Equinox just sold for £755 on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231042569272?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I bought my set a few years ago for £600, they are the later white Weiser version.

You see the 1974 around for £1,250-£1,500 but if you are patient you will pick up a set the right side of £1,000.

Keep in mind the condition, older sets may seem more valuable but not if they are about to turn to dust.

That's my opinion anyway.

🙂
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Hamal

I will sell my set for $700.
Frank

Keep in mind the condition, older sets may seem more valuable but not if they are about to turn to dust.

Wow - are they really that fragile? I noticed that the 2 vol edition by Weiser tends to fall apart - due to the weight of the pages and the weakness of the binding.

"about to turn to dust" - delicious overstatement. I've seen some first editions that are falling apart, but could readily be rebound.

I have the first Weiser reprint in 1972, a sturdy set which has been following me around on my travels ever since.

LOL. Oh I don't doubt your 1972 set is sturdy Michael. It's not the age so much as how its been stored and cared for. I have seen books that were literally book shaped collections of powder disintegrating to the touch! One sneeze and they're gone! Poof!

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Hamal

The original set from  the 1910 era has fine contents, but the spines do deteriorate. The printed covers preserve well.
They might be used as covers in a rebound set. Frankly, I rarely use my first edition, it is fragile. I have a working white weiser one with the Equinox cover for intensive study. I have a paperback set for sale,