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christibrany
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11/02/2020 3:42 am  

@duck

Well said.

That was my initial gist of thought upon reading the 'joke'(?) But in a much more combative turn of mind...

Sigh

 

 


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11/02/2020 7:12 am  
Posted by: @chuck

Oh, come on Boomer. Can't you smell the Photoshop?

I am a pre-Boomer. That either makes me infallible or senile, I'm having trouble deciding which. Maybe neither, so that all disappear.

Yes, my first unworthy olfaction experience was one of (gasp) forgery.

But then I examined it with my eagle (Chesed) eye, which is only mildly afflicted by glaucoma, cataracts, and age-related macular degeneration (now fully controlled), and I found it to be rather tidy, neat, and complete. I liked the prancing animalia and the crown, but I guess I missed the Queens's picture (or Harry's).

I am willing to accept this true copy, or forgery, whichever the case may become in the light of day, smiled upon by Horus-Ra, and I agree to abrogate any residual TM derogatories.

Should it be proven by some intrepid investigator (SWIM) that the doc is a fake, then either the Moderator, or Ignant the Prosecutor and Executioner, or Bred the researcher into moral relevance to AL and AC Commentaries, or Jamie the Assessor of Reality and Proper Grammar, or one of those other Seekers after Truth in a Strange Land, see that said doc has been doctored, then impeachment (in reference to The Scriptures, Guidelines) will surely be considered.

Or he may get off light. Michael will be free to say, "I told you so." Or Tiger may write a funny, carrriage-returned, Haiku in his dishonour.

Richard, in Aikido we have randori. This is where you're alone in the middle, surrounded by multiple opponents who will try to throw you  down or pin you to the mat (tatami, rice mats).

So far, you haven't seemed to convince anybody of anything, except that you're a staller, but at least you're still standing, and that's all that really counts.

How many books must a man write down
before he is entitled to have won?
How many claims must he play the clown
before he reaches the last lonely pylon?

Sung to the tune of
The Last Man Standing.

Posted by: @duck

How many levels of irony are we on here?

The Monad, who is I, known to AL-ers as Hadit, has no dimensions itself, and thus can never be known, but it oscillates (vibrates, influences) in ten dimensions.

You may therefore consider the entire Tree to be available and open for irony and/or lunacy.

That would be ten levels, plus the preliminaries, those pesky veils and Da'ath's. Throw in the uninitiated dork, and I get 16 possible, ironic, reference points.

I have tried to express on all 16 levels, simultaneously, but this has so far proven to be impossible. There's always some serious thing popping up, like drive-by aristocrats and killer spam robot invasions.

 

 


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11/02/2020 11:09 am  

A scan 7 weeks til the Big Reveal...


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11/02/2020 12:43 pm  

The Liminality will pass;
night give birth to day.
The toy will enter the dojo for the randori.

The temurah ing riddling states will eat itself.

Those that can’t be made to drink
will have at least have been lead to April 1.

The fire of the day will yield the splendor of the night.

 


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12/02/2020 1:16 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Can you spot the family resemblance?

Why, yes, I can, indeed. I just needed the time... Your discovery is almost incredible!


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12/02/2020 10:46 am  

48 days needs 48 thrills...


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12/02/2020 11:39 am  

It is surely significant that 48 is the number of the Hebrew word GDVLH, 'mercy'. There will be no mercy for us, I suspect, whatever the worth of the "solution" to be published (or non-published) on April First in Tne Year of Our Lord Twenty-Twenty.


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12/02/2020 12:51 pm  

@michael-staley -"48" - ... as does ‘H L F D G’ – A title of Chesed, meaning glory, greatness and magnificence... and and apt summary of my solution, potentially available from 01 April.  (Customs / Acts of God permitting) How many days, now, @ignant666?

 


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12/02/2020 1:24 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

How many days, now, @ignant666?

Depends if we mean days til your putative publication date (48 days, see post two above yours), or days since you claim you found GPS coordinates encrypted in AL, and haven't been able to come up with a straight answer as to how that could be, in which case i make it 38 days.


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12/02/2020 1:41 pm  

@ignant666 - They aren't GPS coordinates.

 


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12/02/2020 2:05 pm  

Right, so 48 days, and 38 days, respectively.


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12/02/2020 3:11 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Depends if we mean days til your putative publication date (48 days, see post two above yours), or days since you claim you found GPS coordinates encrypted in AL, and haven't been able to come up with a straight answer as to how that could be, in which case i make it 38 days

It is surely not entirely without interest that 38 is also the value of ChL, 'to make a hole'. It's said that when one is in a hole, one should stop digging; advice that our young friend would do well to heed.


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12/02/2020 4:12 pm  

You behind the ass
of a donkey and plow;
living in fear of loss,
relinquishing comfort and ease;
will you not cross the threshold ?
and arrive ?
Come play
the beatific multitudes .

RTC (Customs / Acts of God permitting) the available potentiality .
will be made on April 1.


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12/02/2020 8:06 pm  

@michael-staley - 38 and also, ‘BIG BAD GAG DAD’ - A fabrication of the Qliphothic Malkuth, meaning the solution is revealed... an apt summary of Crowley’s Cairo fable, as sensitively eulogised in a forthcoming tome theoretically available from 01 April. (Customs / Acts of God / print backlogs permitting).  How many days, now, @ignant666?  Can you give us the total in... in... not GPS, or DMS... you know... the other one...  😆 

 


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12/02/2020 8:24 pm  

Which "other one" would that be exactly?

Perhaps some review is in order?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_system#Latitude_and_longitude


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12/02/2020 8:29 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

Customs / Acts of God permitting

Any Magician worth his tamas salt can easily over-ride Customs and defy Acts of God. Lookit what Moshe did.

Posted by: @therealrtc

print backlogs

I forbid argument! excuses of any kind!  Says so in the Scripture.


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12/02/2020 9:25 pm  

@ignant666 – Yup, definitely mentioned on that page.

@shiva - Any Magician worth his salt can easily over-ride Customs... – So, what went wrong with Crowley’s Scented Garden?

@tiger – Do you do requests?

 


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13/02/2020 1:27 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

So, what went wrong with Crowley’s Scented Garden?

At that time, Crowley wasn't worth his salt.

 


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13/02/2020 12:06 pm  

47 days counting down, 39 counting up...


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13/02/2020 12:23 pm  

To no-one's great surprise, ChLTh, 'to clutch, hold' enumerates to 47. Might the compiler of Sepher Sephiroth have been thinking of the straws at which Carrot_Childe is clutching?


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13/02/2020 12:25 pm  

@Shiva
“Any Magician worth his tamas salt can easily over-ride Customs and defy Acts of God. “

True

“ Lookit what Moshe did. “

The Rabbenu made out with the secret gestures and tucked away by Jochebed wife of Amram but when he drew to the thick darkness he may have sold out to the Demiurge to hear the statutes and "judgments" and subjugated blind followers to obedience ?

@RTC
If you have the Toy what need of requests ?


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13/02/2020 4:38 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

ChLTh, 'to clutch, hold'

There is a primordial business principle ...

Do not, never, ever, under any circumstances,
give the money back!

Posted by: @tiger

he may have sold out to the Demiurge to hear the statutes

Well, yes, there's always that curious side-effect.

Here's the deal ... Avoid demiurges and resulting karma by enacting wu-wei.

 


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13/02/2020 4:44 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

There is a primordial business principle ...

Do not, never, ever, under any circumstances,
give the money back!

The National Lampoon used to offer a "MONEY BACK GUARANTEE": "If you are dissatisfied, please return unread portion of magazine, and we will return unspent portion of your money."


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13/02/2020 6:37 pm  

So it's Cole's case that AL.II.76, when successfully deciphered, will contain proof that Crowley fabricated The Book of the Law and what Cole calls the fable of its reception. Obviously that's a possibility; but why should Crowley fabricate the book and the circumstances of its reception, and uphold that fabrication all his life, but embed in it a cipher that proves it to be a fabrication?

This reminds me somewhat of those people - I use the word advisedly - who became convinced that Paul McCartney had been killed in a car crash, and his place taken by a double; the remaining Beatles maintained the deception, but included covert messages intended for the faithful - such as the "fake" McCartney on the cover of 'Abbey Road' walking barefoot across the zebra crossing.

Pass the sick-bag, Alice.

 


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13/02/2020 7:08 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

but why should Crowley fabricate the book and ... proves it to be a fabrication?

Circular Logic 718. It's a post-doctoral remedial course for PhDs who are facing a second mid-life crisis.

 


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13/02/2020 7:42 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

47

47: אויל "Foolish, silly, stupid" and אום "AUM"

(also a prime factor of...376 😉 )


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13/02/2020 7:47 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

 but why should Crowley fabricate the book and the circumstances of its reception, and uphold that fabrication all his life, but embed in it a cipher that proves it to be a fabrication?

Michael, 93!

If I got RTC right, AC embedded a cipher that would prove its supernatural reception AND that he received it from some unknown adept and with the solution of the cipher he would have confirmed this story. A bit later he dismissed the unknown adept middle-man for some reason but the cipher still was the same. Since he couldn't change the cipher any more he did all to cloud the real meaning of the cipher.

This would make some sense if he really hadn't a chance to change the manuscript, which of course would have been the easiest way (always assuming RTC is right). So RTC not only has to present a really convincing solution for the cipher, in fact the only ONE solution, but he must also present evidence why AC did not simply change the manuscript again after he changed his mind and dropped the unknown adept.

At least that's how I understand it.

Love=Law

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13/02/2020 7:49 pm  

93!

Maybe certain members can help us through those 47 days with some hints on what he's got earlier than we have:

Bildschirmfoto 2020 02 13 um 20.29.21

Love=Law

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13/02/2020 9:26 pm  
Posted by: @duck

47: אויל "Foolish, silly, stupid" and אום "AUM"

Interestingly, AUM is the formula representing Spirit descending into Matter, which some folks might consider "stupid." (OM is the reverse process, so mystical, get-out-of-town type escapists can use OM as a boarding pass to nirvana).

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

At least that's how I understand it.

I have read your testimony and I find it to be an authentic, clear, simple representation of what RTC has been saying, among all the other smoke and fire. It (the theory or soon to be proven fact) re-presents purposeful, conscious manipulation of words, concepts, and events by the demon Crowley ... for some personal re-arrangement of the facts.

Whether for (as alleged) Self-esteem, Power over Others, Death to Christianity, or Proof of Overdose of Peyote alkaloids, it does not matter. It may matter as a secondary issue, after the primary accusation is addressed. Thus ...

Did AC consciously fiddle with anything?
In other words, did he add any spin to the tale?

Since he made a lifelong insistence on praeterhumanity, and what with his his "non fiddling" policy in regards to AL and other Class As, a certain amount of his "holiness" (holistic wholeness) comes into play.

Are we soon to be treated to an expose of the demon Crowley, or to an edifice unto the enduring Perdurabo, who was so very cunning, and who told us right out: "The Magus wields both truth and illusion ..." ?

Even so, there's a bit of controversy and varying viewpoints regarding the whole Cairo working. Personally, if I might get personal, I'm more interested in the general consensus that Aiwass, Abuldiz, Lam, Morya, Koot Hoomi, Djwhal Khul, et al, are real, independent entities ... or ... are they simply archetypes, upon which we place names, that are accessible/viewable/now-showing for anyone who can get there, in the collective unconscious.

So, the Cairo working is included in this greater question (independent entity vs messenger from one's own not-Self), and it's central in the cosmology of Thelemic imagery.

 


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13/02/2020 10:10 pm  

Some slavishly preoccupy themselves to evince a squabble that Anna Sprengel’s existence was never proven, and seems to have been invented by William Wynn Westcott rather than spend that time eating of the fruit of The Ordo Hermeticus Aurorae Aureae. stop looking at the messenger and listen. etc etc


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13/02/2020 10:58 pm  
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Since he couldn't change the cipher any more he did all to cloud the real meaning of the cipher.

Could you give some examples of how Crowley attempted "to cloud the real meaning of the cipher"? It's a string of letters and numbers that seems at first sight (and at quite a few subsequent sights) pretty random and meaningless. What on earth can be done to cloud the meaning of something which is already so obscure?

In 1919, Jones sent to Crowley his Liber 31, which set out what Jones considered to be the Key to The Book of the Law. Crowley welcomed and acccepted it. Amongst his initial reaction:

Your key opens Palace. CCXX has unfolded like a flower. All solved, even II.76 and III.47.

This was of course premature, because in the 'New Comment' to this verse, written some years later, Crowley said that he did not know the solution. In the Djeridensis Comment, Crowley said with reference to this cipher:

The object of this cipher is to furnish proof that the man destined to succeed me is my rightful heir. The test is that he is able to make clear the meaning of ‘the numbers & the words’.

I don't see any attempt "to cloud the real meaning of the cipher" in either of the remarks quoted.

 

 

 

 


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13/02/2020 11:26 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

Could you give some examples of how Crowley attempted "to cloud the real meaning of the cipher"?

It is my understanding that Dr Iff was paraphrasing RTC's core position, and he should not be required to testify as to how anything in RTC-land may, or may not, work.

 

 


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13/02/2020 11:33 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

It is my understanding that Dr Iff was paraphrasing RTC's core position, and he should not be required to testify as to how anything in RTC-land may, or may not, work.

That's what I suspected, but I wanted to check.


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13/02/2020 11:50 pm  

My understanding of what Lutz expressed as "clouding the real meaning" is that Crowley willfully kept the now self-incriminating solution hidden and stuck with the "new" story i.e. one will come after HIM and that one will unlock the riddle which is later declared to be a qabalistic challenge. When Crowley writes "all solved...even II: 76" he is bullshitting and keeping the show on the road. He knows Jones doesn't have the proper solution...because Crowley originally devised the riddle for himself to solve.

This is part of RTC's premise in a forthcoming publication. It is a very interesting theory and one that RTC is setting out to demonstrate.  

 

 


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14/02/2020 4:20 am  

Yes what Lutz said summarizes it well (RTC).

an original manuscript and see of any changes can be spotted. If so then it means that recent guesses towards the solution based on the number or letters were flawed.

as i see it anyway.

 

so one needs an original manuscript, a map of Cairo circa around the time and a Stele picture.

 

that seems simple enough as a start. And i have had much fun this past two weeks following the hints on this page and i also messaged RTC as he said we were welcome to.

 

i am stuck at one part but have made some progress.

it does unfold rather rationally.

and i again go back to Lutzs summary above.

 

i have no horse either way in this race except for enjoyment and the possible unfolding of this cipher/puzzle after so many years.

 

The solution of which is meant to be able to be achieved without much noodling

also check lashtal and Faustians posts in here and the 1904 thread. 

90F1569B E090 4249 8535 6FAFB79A39E1

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14/02/2020 5:53 am  
Posted by: @newneubergouch2

The solution of which is meant to be able to be achieved without much noodling

Well, yes. There's always that consideration, at least the fiddler or the phoenix Crowley sez so in some scripture.

But what if that all-knowing, prophetic consideration was simply part of the Grand Coverup? The Big Spin?

There's only one ray of hope in all this for any of us. I will be happy to disclose that one ray, not on April's Foolish Day, but right now ...

It is a good thing that one's relation to
Atma, the Higher Self, the True Self, the True Will
is determined by one's direct experience

... and not on the Cairo Working legend

 


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14/02/2020 6:29 am  

It is a good thing that one's relation to
Atma, the Higher Self, the True Self, the True Will
is determined by one's direct experience

... 

this is true

 

and nothing wrong with a bit of noodling, even just for fun


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14/02/2020 7:47 am  
abk

Hmm... curious...  🤔 


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46 days counting down, 40 counting up...


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14/02/2020 1:07 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

When Crowley writes "all solved...even II: 76" he is bullshitting and keeping the show on the road. He knows Jones doesn't have the proper solution...because Crowley originally devised the riddle for himself to solve.

That is only true if Cole's theory is correct. Doubtless we all have our own theories about the reception of The Book of the Law. Cole has yet to set out the proof of his assertions about the watermark of the paper being after 1904, or Rose Kelly having set out an account confessing to the fabrication of The Book of the Law. His theories may be correct, but we await the proof.

In some ways there is an analogy to Spence's book Secret Agent 666, which spun an account of Crowley as some sort of super-spy, on the basis of very little fact.


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Wow!  Returned from an intensive three-day 'Magickal Heir' workshop & crown-fitting and was delighted to be greeted by a veritable barrage of (mostly) intelligent and stimulating discussion.  Heck, even @michael-staley seems to be getting the gist of it... Encouraging, or what.  Much more of this and our beloved Webmaster may well have to re-relocate this thread from the 'For Sale and Wanted' bin to something far more appropriate... How about 'The Horus Man Cometh.' 🤐 

 


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14/02/2020 2:11 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Heck, even @michael-staley seems to be getting the gist of it... Encouraging, or what.

If by "the gist of it" you mean buying into your web of speculation, I can only say "Get down, Shep", for much the same reason as I remain sceptical about the web spun by Richard Spence.


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14/02/2020 5:09 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

This is part of RTC's premise in a forthcoming publication. It is a very interesting theory and one that RTC is setting out to demonstrate.  

Posted by: @michael-staley

If by "the gist of it" you mean buying into your web of speculation, I can only say "Get down, Shep", for much the same reason as I remain sceptical about the web spun by Richard Spence.

A theory without evidence and a web missing an anchor thread. Without the appendix, hitherto unproduced, we all might as well be reading historical fiction -- a bad Sherlock Holmes pastiche, specifically.

But I could be wrong. Maybe this latest publication will at least prove something. Or maybe it will just be the latest attempt to hypnotize us into accepting the terms of this what-if game we've been playing as true, independent of evidence.

It's starting to look like the "Horus Toy" might come with some assembly required, and batteries not included. I hope the distributor doesn't have to issue a recall.


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14/02/2020 6:28 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

we all might as well be reading historical fiction

Yes, it does seem that way, doesn't it. But the proof, the anchor, it coming on April One, which will result in a coronation or a witch-burning.

Posted by: @djedi

the "Horus Toy" might come with some assembly required

I do not like this possibility. Modern Borg technology is pnp (plug and play), not one of those deals that requires getting out every tool known to constructors and qabalists.

Posted by: @djedi

I hope the distributor doesn't have to issue a recall.

You mean like in SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) or SC (spontaneous combustion) or TEOTW (the end of the world)?

 


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14/02/2020 7:55 pm  

@djediIt's starting to look like the "Horus Toy" might come with some assembly required, and batteries not included. I hope the distributor doesn't have to issue a recall. – Batteries not required, comes fully assembled and once it’s out, there’s no going back. 😎 

 @shivaApril One, which will result in a coronation or a witch-burning. – Oooooh, can’t we have both?  Coronation Witch is my favourite brunch. 😱 

@michael-staleyIf by "the gist of it" you mean buying into your web of speculation, - Yup, that’s the one, and there’s a slight chance that it may possibly clear Aberdeen Customs by 01 April... Assuming it doesn’t get book-jacked in Germany... 🥂  

 


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14/02/2020 8:41 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Oooooh, can’t we have both?

No. Did you ever have to make up your mind? To say yes to one, and leave the other behind? It's not often easy ... it's not often kind ...

Posted by: @therealrtc

Assuming it doesn’t get book-jacked in Germany...

Jack-booted book-jackers?


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@shivaJack-booted book-jackers? -  Hard to say beneath the gowns, but it wouldn’t surprise me.  You may, or may not be surprised by the amount of... material, that’s been covertly squeezed out of various fruits under pressure from whatever brand of footwear – But this is an entirely different heresy... 🤬 

 


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14/02/2020 10:13 pm  

[Apologies for the double-post. The edit function is, evidently, time-sensitive.]

@kidneyhawkWhen Crowley writes "all solved...even II: 76" he is bullshitting and keeping the show on the road. He knows Jones doesn't have the proper solution...because Crowley originally devised the riddle for himself to solve.”  Crowley was probably doubly-delighted with Achad’s work.  Firstly, it made some sense of his now-solutionless riddle (Crowley altered four characters between manuscript and typescript).  Secondly, it took attention away from the riddle’s original and now-toxic solution. 😖 


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Shiva
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15/02/2020 12:11 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

But this is an entirely different heresy...

Speaking of heresies of the original kind .... what's all this "customs" and "German boot-jackers?" You're not getting said booklets printed in Hon Kong, Hubei, or Afganistan are you? What's wrong with the Queen's land press ... except for the price?

 


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