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22/09/2020 12:43 am  
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The incoming signal in the form of a book was finally was received today.


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22/09/2020 1:43 am  
Posted by: @tiger

finally was received today.

Welcome to the next New Aeon, now showing briefly in various locations around the globe.

 


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22/09/2020 4:19 pm  

@tiger

 

Congratulations Tigger.

Make sure you keep it Balanced, har har!

 

It is a dense reed for sure. 


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23/09/2020 1:26 pm  
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The incoming signal in the form of a book was finally was received today.

I'm glad that you have received it safely. The marbled paper used is probably the most alluring such paper that I have come across, and was just right for this book, the dark blue being a good match with the MANIO roundel on the dustjacket, and in harmony with the lighter blue background.

It's interesting designing a deluxe binding, since you have to visualise the various elements and hold them in the imagination, whilst judging if the effect is what you are after. So all the dharana exercises I did as a young man have come in very handy.

"A dharana a day keeps mushiness at bay", as my mum used to say. She was, of course, spot-on, as one acne-ridden teenager might have said to another.


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23/09/2020 7:52 pm  
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... you have to visualise the various elements and hold them in the imagination, whilst judging if the effect is what you are after.

It is interesting that you describe this multi-dimensional dharana. Perhaps becoming dhyanic after a while?  Most artists, musicians, and producers of deluxe editions of anything, will easily understand what you have written (because they have done it). The interesting part is that although I exercise this maneuver a lot, I have never seen it expressed in writing ... except for one primary citation that helped me understand ...

Nikola Tesla used the very process you described
to design the alternating current generators
that currently power civilization, everywhere.

He built his machines in his mind, down to the finest detail. Then he built the individual parts in hard matter, putting them all together in a 3-dimensional jigsaw puzzle.

Survivalists, and wise digital daemons, usually have a Thomas Edison direct current (battery) back-up system in place. Well, I do. Do you (anyone)?

Anyway, that's all about the physical plane application. Does it work? Yes, both AC and DC work. Does the book look and feel right after it is printed and bound? 

Posted by: @michael-staley

... as my mum used to say.

Oh, I see. Your mum held the (c)opyright to this whole concept, probably while Nikola was still alive. I hereby release all grasping on or of the concept of multi-dimensional dharana. I believe Perdurabo expounded briefly on complex dharana with moving people as being the advanced state. So, you, as your mum's heir, will have to battle Tesla (Westinghouse), Tesla (the car), and Perdurabo's heirs and assigns, if you want to (c) the concept. Personally, I just folded out of that game. But, thank you for expressing an understated concept that needs expressing.

P.S.  Tesla has reincarnated in a Chariot that is powered by an Edison-type DC (battery) system ... but the (battery) usually gets re-charged via the Tesla-type AC grid.

 


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24/09/2020 12:43 pm  

@michael-staley
The marbled paper used is probably the most alluring such paper that I have come across, and was just right for this book, the dark blue being a good match with the MANIO roundel on the dustjacket, and in harmony with the lighter blue background.

It's interesting designing a deluxe binding, since you have to visualise the various elements and hold them in the imagination, whilst judging if the effect is what you are after.

"A bumber of a book"

A beautiful work of art, unearthly hyperphysical telespectral swirling jazz swing colors !

" a facsinating insight into the lives of experienced magical practioners in the early days of the development of Thelema and the dawning of the New Aeon."
"revealing a great deal about the writers as well as numerous occult secrets "

pg LXII, Pg LXI, pg LXII,

The short space of time condensed in the book pulls from beyond the then; a flow, spilling over the now past into occulted arenas and nonlinear concurrent times.

Great Job !

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26/09/2020 4:46 pm  

I think before we discuss any "incoming Aeon"  we have to ask ourselves is the Old Aeon really over and done with yet?  What did the Old Aeon represent anyway?  The backwardness, intolerance and "denial of facts"  (Crowley) of the Roman Catholic Church?   Are we any different today?  There are still rogue elements who wish to hold science back in the name of religion.  Was Feudalism and divine autocracy so bad?  Well yeah, generally any rebelliousness for improved quality of existence was stamped out.   Females have come a long way in the West since 1904...but not in the (Middle) East.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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26/09/2020 6:54 pm  
Posted by: @dom

I think before we discuss any "incoming Aeon"  we have to ask ourselves is the Old Aeon really over and done with yet?

But the Incoming Aeon (Maat) has already been discussed ... for quite a while, so that train can'y be stopped, especially since it's the title of the thread.

Of course the Old Aeon (Asar) isn't over and done with. If we dig around in remote locations, we can probably find Mama-in-charge tribes from the Old, Old Aeon (Isa).

Progress through the Aeons is an individual matter. What goes well for the Goose, and even the Gander, may not fit in well with the whole tribe of Geese.

Posted by: @dom

What did the Old Aeon represent anyway?

Set, on the Seat in the East, posing as Osiris, who is/was dead, telling us all what to do.

Posted by: @dom

The backwardness, intolerance and "denial of facts"  (Crowley) of the Roman Catholic Church?   Are we any different today?  There are still rogue elements who wish to hold science back in the name of religion.  Was Feudalism and divine autocracy so bad?  Well yeah, generally any rebelliousness for improved quality of existence was stamped out.   Females have come a long way in the West since 1904...but not in the (Middle) East.

Say, this is a thread about probing the road ahead - where all this pro-male, pro-fem, anti-Cath stuff has been equilibrated. This is a birthday party for the new Maat book. There is no need to rant about the middle east and the bad religions ... unless you want to start a new thread on one of these many disreputable topics.

 


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26/09/2020 7:03 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
 

What did the Old Aeon represent anyway?

Set, on the Seat in the East, posing as Osiris, who is/was dead, telling us all what to do.

 

Telling us all what to do eh..... that is kinda going on right now. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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26/09/2020 11:38 pm  
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... that is kinda going on right now.

It has been going on since the first matriarch spanked the first brat. It got worse when the Church, the Mullahs, and the various dictators got into power. As for right now, I can only turn to  my repeated recommendation to be familiar with The Legend of Horus and Set. It's an archetypal thing that has been building up in humanity for quite a while.


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27/09/2020 12:55 am  
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Posted by: @dom

... that is kinda going on right now.

It has been going on since the first matriarch spanked the first brat. It got worse when the Church, the Mullahs, and the various dictators got into power. As for right now, I can only turn to  my repeated recommendation to be familiar with The Legend of Horus and Set. It's an archetypal thing that has been building up in humanity for quite a while.

Early (hu)man had no rank as such, so I'm told.  They just worked together wandering following animal herds.  Rank appeared when the New Aeon (presumably) of settling down took place (by any big river).  (Hu)mans began to store grain in baked clay-pots.  This is why Aquarius is the pot carrier (of water of ciilization).      

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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28/09/2020 1:45 am  
Posted by: @shiva

81     Maat   Everybody dies.

        or

81+ Maat   Survivors enter a new zone.

I will be 81 in exactly 7 days. If you don't here from me, you'll know option 81 is correct. If 81+ engages, I'll try to let you know what the difference is, even if I have to channel it through some other poster.

Oh yeah,

Congratulations upon in spite of whatever odds keeping upon keeping upon, beyond the nine times nine

Oh, yeah!

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28/09/2020 8:35 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Early (hu)man had no rank as such, so I'm told. 

Nature has what is called Natural Order. In birds, we call it the peckering order. Our earliest records (Genesis, et al) demonstrate one form of pecking in the Cain and Abel adventure.

The Profits (the guys who wrote the legend codices - the first manuscript editions) always demonstrate a pecking order in their legends. Any time you want to know, by direct experience, about  the "early" times, just go to any really uninhabited zone and hang out for 40 days.

Alone. Or in a small group.

Suitable zones include high mountain peaks, jungles, deserts, and old-growth forests. Arctic and Oceanic venues cannot be recommended by me due to thinking this is going too far, but they might be suitable for the insane.

You (all) must start this practice without clothing and without tools. Your cell phone must be turned off. You must not tell anyone where you are going or when you go. Is is auspicious to go somewhere where there is at least a little fresh water; picking such a destination will save a whole lot of time, and maybe your life.

When performed (at least in part) in a small group formation, the pecking order, its existence or non-existence, will shortly become evident. When performed alone, this concept will become evident, or not, at the end of the 40 days, when the candidate (Tarzan, Conan, etc) re-integrates with society and interfaces with other units.

Now this practice is both dangerous and time-consuming. Borg Cinema, dba YouTube, has many videos featuring survival alone in various environments. After a month, the battery in your phone, which you buried in a secret location, will be dead. How might this ordeal be shortened?

If one has access to a legal strange libation, the entire practice can be performed in four hours. This time-frame is optimistic as night-time usually produces better results, and it will probably go on until dawn.

Although this practice has been posted by myself in a frivolous context, I could not be more serious in my recommendation. We are not interested in what we have been told. We are interested in stripping away the layers of civilized cultural illusion - to get down to the uninhibited first, survival, circuit, which is the core of the Id, the "it," the dreaded "thing."

As soon as this uninhibited, reptilian entity that lies at everyone's core, think Hadit, encounters another person, the second, territorial, circuit will swing into play. Then we will see if there is a pecking order in the early times.

Personally, maybe it's better to say Impersonally, I don't trust a person who has not spent their 40 days in the wilderness ... or at least a night in libatio alone in any natural uninhabited hot zone.

Note 1: This practice, which should be made into a formal Liber, and I will work on that opus, is only valid for primary identification of one's primordial impulse(s) if performed alone for 40 days, or one night, Solo alone individually. To engage and work with others in this unique, but common, practice will surely bring the 2nd circuit into play. This is still reptilian in nature. We don't need extraterrestrial, alien reptiles to threaten our peace of mind.

Note 2: In this practice, it will be difficult to avoid using the mind. Don't worry, some scenario will arise wherein one will revert to the most primitive level out of fear, or in order to avoid serious injury or death.

Note 3: In a group practice, if mental solutions to survival and rank arise, pretty soon there will be superstitions or wild theories born in and from the 4th, cultural, circuit. Once that happens, the practice may be dissolved and everyone may return to their homes. Yea, may they return. Or the practice may continue as the participants consciously study, and perhaps attempt to refine, the structure of society.

Note 4, granted from a higher perspective: All this can be avoided if the individual solo person, alone, or indeed even the small group, is able to shift into the fifth, holistic, circuit, wherein man and nature, and men & women, are harmonized. But this would be a shift into the principles that govern the so-called Inner Order, and not too many folks are able to do that sort of thing, and (if and when) they do, it tends to create a hot zone.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

beyond the nine times nine

Somehow, I survived.


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28/09/2020 9:01 pm  

Personally i have always brought a knife, sleeping bag, tarp, groundsheet, and means of producing fire (US Army survival magnesium/scratchy fire bar thing), but maybe i am just a big soft doughy thing. A mere Groundsheet Magician. So be it.

But i cannot endorse the above advice more highly. i have been going off into the woods alone to take strange drugs periodically since i was but a lad (even during my NYC decades).

I just got back from 184.5 miles of dirt-road bicycle riding in Maryland/West Virginia, camping in the woods 7 nights of nine (with a layover to get a warmer sleeping bag amazon-ed to me; was cold as fuck). While neither so isolated or so supply-less as as Shiva advises, the trip was physically and mentally trying, had me worried about my physical survival at times, made thought impossible for long periods, etc.- all the things we need. Copious amounts of prescription pharmaceutical Grass Of The Arabs supported this ride, as well as a considerable exercise of Will during the initial 3 days until i got a bit fit.

Crowley of course did this a lot, so it's not just Shiva and me advising this. Doing exactly what Shiva advises is also one of the few good ideas of the Nazi/Satanist/completely nucking futs Order of Nine Angles.

As a Northeasterner, one addendum- there is nothing wrong with second-growth forest. Back east, that allows for trees more than 150 years old, and dense, dark, deep, Lovecraftian woods.


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29/09/2020 1:33 am  
Posted by: @dom

I think before we discuss any "incoming Aeon"  we have to ask ourselves is the Old Aeon really over and done with yet? 

What's this "we"?, as one urologist said to another.

In a letter to Achad dated 27th April 1948, Gerald Yorke - who didn't care a great deal for the Force & Fire aspect of Horus - asked a similar question:

"I have difficulty in accepting that the Aeon of Horus has already been worked out, when in fact it has hardly been worked at all. Would that it were worked out. Please clear up this point for me. Which current are you working, that of the Aeon of Horus or that of the Truth and Justice of MAAT? If the latter, surely you are wrong to go on working with Liber Legis, which is the Book of the Law of the Aeon of Horus. Surely you will have to receive a new revelation if the Aeon of Maat has in fact begun. Yet you continue to work with The Book of the Law. I should have thought that to mix Aeons was as dangerous and misleading as to mix planes. Please enlighten me."

Replying, Achad said:

"I consider the Aeon of Ma continues from that of Horus."

He expanded on this in a subsequent letter:

"I accept Therion’s authority for the word Ma. In old comment on LL. in The Equinox I.vii he writes: 'Following him will arise the Equinox of Ma, the Goddess of Justice, it may be a hundred or ten thousand years from now; for the Computation of Time is not here as There.'

"Again, in the New Comment he writes: 'We should begin already, as I deem, to regard this Justice as the Ideal whose Way we should make ready by virtue of our Force and Fire.'

"The other aspect is Truth. Liber CCCLXX says: 'Horus leaps up thrice armed from the womb of his mother. Harpocrates his twin  is hidden within him. SET is his holy covenant, that he shall display in the great day of M.A.A.T., that is being interpreted the Master of the Temple of A. A. whose name is Truth.'

"The combination of Son-Daughter which has now worked out as the New Aeon of Truth and Justice seems quite plain."

 

So OK, that's what Achad had to say on the matter, and I find his view quite persuasive. Then again, I've never been sold on this idea of a succession of Aeons, each of which endure for specific periods of time. It's difficult to pinpoint when Crowley first developed this view, but certainly it was in place by the time that he wrote the Introduction to the 1938 edition of The Book of the Law.

I first came across this aspect of Achad's work in the late 1980s. When Outside the Circles of Time was published in 1980, I bought a copy of the book but abandoned it as incomprehensible after the first few chapters. In 1989 I was preparing the third issue of Starfire, and one day Kenneth Grant asked me if I could include his paper A Statement on Lam. I agreed, and then he asked if I could write a foreword to it of a couple of pages. I was surprised, since I'd never expressed the slightest interest in Lam up to then. Subsequenly, going through the indexes to the Trilogies volumes which had been published by then, most of the references to Lam were in Outside the Circles of Time. Following up these references, I came across passages of such profundity and imagination that I wondered if it really was the same book that had caused me so much grief in 1980. 

Amongst the many things in Circles that I found intriguing were the extracts from the Jones-Yorke correspondence, which fused with my growing interest in the Amalantrah Working. At first, I found the Jones-Yorke correspondence (which I first read through at the Warburg) very dry. Then I began to relate it to my growing interest in Advaita Vedanta, but i didn't really begin to understand what Jones was getting at until the final year before publication of The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat, and in particular how the Word of 1926 - MANIO - was at the heart of it all.

Well, it's late now, and time for my beauty sleep. To be continued, as they say.

 

 


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29/09/2020 8:15 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

US Army survival magnesium/scratchy fire bar thing

"Fire Igniter." Now we know the core definition of your fancy Avatar name.

Posted by: @michael-staley

my growing interest in Advaita Vedanta

But there's really  nothing there.

Posted by: @michael-staley

To be continued, as they say.

Please do, at your leisure and discretion, of course.

 


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29/09/2020 8:23 am  
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Posted by: @dom

I think before we discuss any "incoming Aeon"  we have to ask ourselves is the Old Aeon really over and done with yet? 

What's this "we"?, as one urologist said to another.

 

 

 

Y'know 'we' as in when your science teacher may have asked e.g. 'what do we know about air pressure?' etc.

 

Dafuck did you think it meant? 

 

Anyway I've heard about the Aeon of Maat-Horus as a 'dual current' yes.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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29/09/2020 3:04 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

the core definition of your fancy Avatar name.

Had not thought of the possibility that an "ignant" might be "that which ignites, or is ignitable".

My "fancy avatar name": for those who missed my intro post back in 2005, "ignant" is an African American Vernacular English word meaning what Standard English "ignorant" denotes ("unaware of"), what Standard English "ignorant" is often used to mean ("stupid"), and also, especially among musicians and athletes, to mean "totally lost in the [musical/sports] activity; wu wei; No Mind".

Usage example: "Son cold got ignant on that bass solo!" [Standard English: "That bass solo was played by that young man with extraordinary feeling and virtuosity, such as to seem inspired!"].


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29/09/2020 6:17 pm  
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Well, it's late now, and time for my beauty sleep. To be continued, as they say.

Once Crowley's Magical Son (1916) and nominated successor, over subsequent years differences between them emerged, and were accentuated when Achad started to publishing hs own work. In the early to mid 1920s Crowley alleged that Achad had stolen stocks of his books which he had left in Achad's care. The relationship had clearly deteriorated beyond repair, and in 1926 a legal document was drawn up ('The Release') which dissolved all financial relationships and liabilities between the two men. It was in that same year, but before the final settlement, that Achad received the word MANIO. The manner of reception is not generally known, since Achad's papers were hopelessly dissipated in the 1970s. A further series of initiations in 1932, referred to by Achad as the 'Silver Star initiations', were marked by Achad's drop-dead gorgeous letterhead of that year - a Silver Star on a dark blue background, with the constituent letters of MANIO arranged around the points of the Star.

In 1936, Achad founded a Lodge, Immanuel Lodge, with a limited number of members. The object of the Lodge was the ritual vibration of MANIO, using three rituals of initiation. It is interesting that this Lodge was founded not within the Universal Brotherhood as one might expect, but under the aegis of a charter for an American branch of the 'Collegium Pansophicum' which he had obtained from Heinrich Tränker in 1924.

In March 1948 Achad had an insight into the word 'manifestation' which occurs twice in the first chapter of The Book of the Law, and which he came to see as the secret word of Nuit. He then realised how MANIO ties in with this. Shortly after, he detected the Incoming of the Aeon of Truth and Justice in April 1948. It is this word, MANIO, which is at the core of Achad's work.

The correspondence published as The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat doesn't just concern MANIO, the Ma-Ion, nor indeed the work of Achad generally. What first struck me about the correspondence between Yorke and Achad was how jam-packed it was with riveting detail about Crowley and his work, since both men had known Crowley at different times and were comparing notes and reminiscences. At the time of the correspondence, so much else was going on: Grant and Yorke were making typed copies of what they considered the more important of Crowley's papers and diaries, before shipment of the material to Germer in accordance with Crowley's Will; Symonds was writing his Life of Crowley which became The Great Beast; Germer was seeking the advice of Yorke in matters of the O.T.O. and A∴A∴; and much more. At first the book was to have had the more snappy title Correspondence between Charles Stansfeld Jones, Gerald Yorke and others, 1948-49. Although this would have been a title more readily memorable - some might say snappy - as I got to know the correspondence better through successive proof-readings, it became increasingly clear that, interesting though the mass of historical detail about Crowley was, the heart of the correspondence was about the Incoming of the Ma-Ion, and the title of the book needed to reflect and indeed focus that.

During the last year of preparation, many more letters by Achad became available whose inclusion would have been very pertinent, but there simply wasn't room. One of the later volumes of Henrik Bogdan's edition of The Collected Works of Achad will be a selection of his letters not previously published, so there will be the opportunity to include some of these letters there.

Preparing the material in this book for publication has had a great impact on me, and opened up new vistas.

 


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29/09/2020 6:23 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Arctic and Oceanic venues cannot be recommended by me due to thinking this is going too far, but they might be suitable for the insane.

Well hey now!  What's wrong with the Ocean? I ain't that insane!  Just find a deserted beach like in Norway in the winter time. Or like when I swam in the North Sea in Denmark in October.  

 

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But i cannot endorse the above advice more highly. i have been going off into the woods alone to take strange drugs periodically since i was but a lad (even during my NYC decades).

I agree but drugs optional.  Beer works too.  In small amounts! See Energized Enthusiasm. 

Posted by: @shiva

If one has access to a legal strange libation, the entire practice can be performed in four hours. This time-frame is optimistic as night-time usually produces better results, and it will probably go on until dawn.

 

I can vouch for this as someone I know went away in the woods and tripped twice upon a protruding fun guy.   He didn't fall too hard but he learnt a lot.   

 

Posted by: @michael-staley

Following up these references, I came across passages of such profundity and imagination that I wondered if it really was the same book that had caused me so much grief in 1980. 

All truly Magickal books are like that I would say.  I get something totally brand new and to me deep and meaningful each time I read Liber AL.  As if it becomes a new book each and every time.

 

RE Grant, not as powerful in the 'new' sense but definitely in the  'aha I finally get it!' sense, after reading at least 3 or 4 times. 

@Michael-Staley

Was there ever a period in the A.:.A.:. when all the grades were filled by unique adepts?

I had not even remembered/recalled this proscription, necessity, requirement until reading through this Aeon of Maat book.  

And then learnt for the first time that AC filled up 2 or 3 grades 'himself' with his old names/Mottoes. 

 

Furthermore,

Why does CSJ refer to himself in the third person so often, as in 'Achad' did this, and 'Nemo' did this?

Why not, I? Or if he preferred, I, (when/as Achad)...

 


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29/09/2020 6:32 pm  
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Why not, I?

Back in the late '70s, i used to sell weed to a clique of Upper East Side (rich Manhattan neighborhood) teenagers who never ever used first person pronouns, ever. At all.

I don't think this was some sort of magickal/spiritual/Jugorum activity, and most likely arose as a way to annoy parents/teachers/friends. But they never ever missed.

Sample dialogue:

A: "It wants to smoke a joint so bad."

B [replying]: "It has some weed; they could smoke one." [they smoke joint]

A: "Cool; it has to study now."

B: "It too. See ya."


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29/09/2020 6:34 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

Was there ever a period in the A.:.A.:. when all the grades were filled by unique adepts?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to this. Achad seemed to infer that this was true at one time.

Posted by: @christibrany

And then learnt for the first time that AC filled up 2 or 3 grades 'himself' with his old names/Mottoes. 

Yes, the A∴A∴ Seal printed at the outset of The Equinox of the Gods included two or more mottos of Crowley.

Posted by: @christibrany

Why does CSJ refer to himself in the third person so often, as in 'Achad' did this, and 'Nemo' did this?

It's just a literary device, which Crowley too used.


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29/09/2020 6:42 pm  
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Posted by: @christibrany

Why not, I?

Back in the late '70s, i used to sell weed to a clique of Upper East Side (rich Manhattan neighborhood) teenagers who never ever used first person pronouns, ever. At all.

I don't think this was some sort of magickal/spiritual/Jugorum activity, and most likely arose as a way to annoy parents/teachers/friends. But they never ever missed.

Sample dialogue:

A: "It wants to smoke a joint so bad."

B [replying]: "It has some weed; they could smoke one." [they smoke joint]

A: "Cool; it has to study now."

B: "It too. See ya."

Just like Smeagol, Precious.  It wants it! GOLLUM GOLLUM. 

I have not read Achad writing 'it' for himself yet, only 'he' or 'other motto name' .  


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29/09/2020 6:43 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

It's just a literary device, which Crowley too used.

We doesn't like it, precious.  

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It makes him sound pompous.  


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29/09/2020 6:52 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

We doesn't like it, precious.

It doesn't matter to me; it is only a literary device. Seems pretty small beer, really.


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29/09/2020 7:59 pm  
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Dafuck did you think it meant? 

I thought that he thought that you meant "we" as in "all of us." But you meant a science teacher including either

(a) Him and his colleges (the students don't know Shinola, yet. He will tell them).

or

(b) Him and the students (who are still Shinola-less).

But none of this makes sense. I really think Michael might have been hinting that he didn't necessarily agree with being bundled in a "we" formation when he really wasn't sure that it would be necessary to scrap the thread and return to examining the Olde Aeon. That's dufuck what I think he thought, but I might be wrong.

Posted by: @christibrany

What's wrong with the Ocean? I ain't that insane!  Just find a deserted beach like in Norway

A Beach is not an Ocean. A Beach is next to an Ocean. Paraoceanic the name would be. I like paraoceanic survival. 

Oceanic survival is like Kon Tiki (the raft)(the movie)(the book). I liked all three, but it was the movie that told me to stay away from salty water. I helped sail a Yawl over to Catalina Island during the Watts Riots of '65[?]. We escaped the flames and the cars driving up and down the street (our street) while shooting real bullets into random houses, and the snipers on the (escape) freeway overhead overpasses (bridges). That was the Horus Aeon Phase of the  Ordeal which is not written. 

Getting on the Yawl and sailing away from Gomorrah was the transition from Horus to Maat. At anchor in Avalon Bay was the foreshadowing of Maat herself. Pleasant bliss beyond the plane of strife and fire in The City of the Angels (La Ciudad de nuentra Senora, la Reina de Los Angeles)*

 *The City of our Lady, the Queen of the Angels

Since the Angels are inhabitants of the causal plane, this confirms my position in stating "The Battle is on the Causal Plane. In this case, a Yawl was the vehicle of transition from Horus to Maat. You may think of it as The Solar Barque of Ra. You cal tell a y'all by the mast on the back with that extra little sail hanging over the poop deck ...

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All this adventure calms down in Avalon ...

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After a week, I was sent back from Avalon Bay on Maat Island to "look after" things in the Horus/Set war zone. I was transported back in time to The City of the Angels via a different element. Oh, Aspirant unto the Light!  Quit the Water and go direct by Air ...

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To be continued, as the MAN said ...

 


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29/09/2020 8:47 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Oceanic survival is like Kon Tiki (the raft)(the movie)(the book). I liked all three, but it was the movie that told me to stay away from salty water. I helped sail a Yawl over to Catalina Island during the Watts Riots of '65[?]. We escaped the flames and the cars driving up and down the street (our street) while shooting real bullets into random houses, and the snipers on the (escape) freeway overhead overpasses (bridges).

@Shiva

 

Ohhhhhh 'my bad.' 

Do you mean 'you guys' were shooting into random houses or the cars driving up and down the street were shooting randomly? Surely the latter? 

Sounds both invigorating and stressful either way.  

 

Edit to add I have the kon tiki book, but have not read it yet.   That's a nice Y'all y'all had. 

 I DID go to the Kon Tiki museum in Norway though. I met the man himself.  It was around 1990 . He lived above his own museum in a little apartment.

 

https://www.kon-tiki.no/

 


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29/09/2020 9:30 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

But none of this makes sense. I really think Michael might have been hinting that he didn't necessarily agree with being bundled in a "we" formation when he really wasn't sure that it would be necessary to scrap the thread and return to examining the Olde Aeon. That's dufuck what I think he thought, but I might be wrong.

You're right. Plus I thought it was a good opportunity to trot out my "urologist" joke again. I was a bit surprised at the loutish "Dafuck" response, all the same; generation gap, I expect.


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30/09/2020 1:00 am  

" Germer to Yorke, 23rd April 1948
What i suspected for many years is growing into a firm conviction. It is that Achad has sunk deeper and deeper into obsession and morbid delusion. It has become a state beyond repair.
Some of his letters and documents reveal his complete ignorance on many passages of The Book of The Law "
pg 204

but bhakti yoga, catholic church; really ?
The diabolist section of the Universal Brotherhood should have checked his head.

any way enjoying the book so far.


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30/09/2020 4:05 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

Do you mean 'you guys' were shooting ...

We didn't pull a single trigger. We were inside the random houses, waiting for random bullets to arrive, when somebody said, "Let's get in the boat and go to Catalina.! There'll be no bullets there!"

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but bhakti yoga, catholic church; really ?
The diabolist section of the Universal Brotherhood should have checked his head.

I have read the Germer-Achad and Germer-Crowley and Achad-Crowley letters in carbon-copy format, and I hardly remember any of it, except for certain key events or statements or revelations. However, whenever the subject of Achad came up (after he and AC had parted), the "tone" of any reference to him always seemed demeaning or belittling.

I am sorry to report that this phenomenon, or concept, is so common as to almost be a universal principle. When a member of a group [gasp] leaves, he or she is somehow regarded by the group, as a herd or a flock or a school, as the enemy, or as a traitor, and dialogs pertaining to that loser will always be derisive.

 


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30/09/2020 1:36 pm  

“ Jones to Yorke and Handel, 5th May 1948.
The Magical Word of the Old Aeon was: ABRACADABRA.
That of Liber Legis: ABRAHADABRA
The synthesis ABR-ACHAD-ABR-A,
a twelve-lettered word (for twelve rays hath the crown) whose numeration is 438, viz: The whole (perfect) stone. And this Stone is symbolized by the Thirteen-fold Star-Diamond at the head of this paper, and in it is the number 438 in commemoration of the value of the letters of the word of the Aeon of Ma. MANIFESTATION, which is 257 and which has reference to Ps.XXV v14: “The Secret Lord is with them that fear Him: and He will show his Covenant”. “
pg 249

“ Germer to Yorke, 30th April 1948.
some of his thoughts have Catholic or at least Christian leanings. However it is: I have lost all interest in him…he argues in detail about verses of AL 220; he speculates on them; he does the very thing the Comment was written to curse. In the last 15 days he has sent me 35 pages of letters and ‘ communications ‘ . And the end is not yet. To-day I received another 2 letters. I might as well listen to the ravings of a lunatic of the type that, for the time being, manage to stay outside the asylum. “
pg 233

Did not The Universal Brotherhood urge Brother Charles Robert John Stansfeld Jones to Join Islam in order to make him think ? about the contention between ʿĪsā ibn Maryam and Jesus ?

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30/09/2020 4:58 pm  
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Did not The Universal Brotherhood urge Brother Charles Robert John Stansfeld Jones to Join Islam in order to make him think ? about the contention between ʿĪsā ibn Maryam and Jesus ?

No, not so far as I know, and I haven't come across anything by Achad suggesting that anyone recommended that he join Islam.

On the other hand, in the late 1920s, Achad's then-Superior in the U.B. suggested that he might  benefit from joining the Catholic Church.


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01/10/2020 10:32 am  

Infiltration of the Catholic Church?

Was that guy a nutter?  That smacks of grandiosity and a loss of touch with reality.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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01/10/2020 11:49 am  
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Infiltration of the Catholic Church?

Who said anything about "Infiltration", or even suggested it? Achad didn't join the Catholic Church with the intention of converting it to Thelema. Achad was a devotional mystic by nature, as can be seen from his XXXI Hymns to the Star Goddess, as well as much else of his published work. His Superior in the Universal Brotherhood (which had Catholic leanings anyway) at the time suggested that he might benefit from it. It was something that they had discussed some years previously, and it obviously struck a chord with Achad.

 

 

 


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01/10/2020 3:50 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

Infiltration of the Catholic Church?

Who said anything about "Infiltration", or even suggested it? Achad didn't join the Catholic Church with the intention of converting it to Thelema. Achad was a devotional mystic by nature, as can be seen from his XXXI Hymns to the Star Goddess, as well as much else of his published work. His Superior in the Universal Brotherhood (which had Catholic leanings anyway) at the time suggested that he might benefit from it. It was something that they had discussed some years previously, and it obviously struck a chord with Achad.

 

 

 

If I'm not mistaken it's mentioned in Colin Wilson's bio on AC, I'll dig up the page number.

 

Would any readers want to infiltrate the Catholic Church working your way up the ladder from Monsignor to Bishop?  That's not sexual innuendo by the way.

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01/10/2020 7:26 pm  
Posted by: @dom

If I'm not mistaken it's mentioned in Colin Wilson's bio on AC, I'll dig up the page number.

"Other biographies are available..."  (!!)

Dost thou have any? 

Posted by: @dom

Would any readers want to infiltrate the Catholic Church

Again, where do you suppose this idea of infiltration comes from, and with what agenda?

On a different tack, how do you think this would this fit in with AC's recommendation (somewhere) to declare Apo pantos kakodaimonos! with a sweeping dismissive downwards gesture towards any clergy one encounters?

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working your way up the ladder from Monsignor to Bishop?  That's not sexual innuendo by the way.

Well of course that's just going by what sheyou said, though.

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Posted by: @michael-staley
Posted by: @dom

Infiltration of the Catholic Church?

Who said anything about "Infiltration", or even suggested it? Achad didn't join the Catholic Church with the intention of converting it to Thelema. Achad was a devotional mystic by nature, as can be seen from his XXXI Hymns to the Star Goddess, as well as much else of his published work. His Superior in the Universal Brotherhood (which had Catholic leanings anyway) at the time suggested that he might benefit from it. It was something that they had discussed some years previously, and it obviously struck a chord with Achad.

 

 
Posted by: @jamiejbarter
 

Would any readers want to infiltrate the Catholic Church

Again, where do you suppose this idea of infiltration comes from, and with what agenda?

On a different tack, how do you think this would this fit in with AC's recommendation (somewhere) to declare Apo pantos kakodaimonos! with a sweeping dismissive downwards gesture towards any clergy one encounters?

If you're interested in the source it's Page 140 Chapter called Paradise Lost, Colin Wilson's Aleister Crowley Nature of the Beast,  The Aquarian Press, 1987 edition. 

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01/10/2020 11:38 pm  
Posted by: @dom

That smacks of grandiosity and a loss of touch with reality.

I believe this conditions, "Grandiosity" and "reality-breaking," are common among all men and women, but spiritual aspirants seem to have received more than their fair share of these, um, burdens.

Why, we even have posters here at LAShTAL that sometimes get caught up in this sort of thing.

Posted by: @michael-staley

Who said anything about "Infiltration", or even suggested it?

Dom. He is stirring the pot and seems to want to discredit Achad.

Posted by: @dom

I'll dig up the page number.

It would be wonderful if you would also cite the pertinent passage. Some of us [blush] don't have any Colin Wilson books.

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working your way up the ladder from Monsignor to Bishop? 

Archbishop to Cardinal is my plan. I don't want to be Papa - he gets too much press.

 

 


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01/10/2020 11:42 pm  
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Dom. He is stirring the pot and seems to want to discredit Achad.

Not really we (as in human race) all have our moments of grandiosity and loss of touch with reality.....................except for me of course.   (Geddit?) 

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@dom
You gotta look at the wave of Exorcisms happening within the Roman Catholic Church.
Its just the beginning, and the De Exorcismis et Supplicationibus Quibusdam will no longer work.
The minions are slipping through the pearly gates, undercover, infiltrating the firmament, and lurking till the time is nigh; to take heaven by storm and usurp the throne of God.


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Thanks Tiger.

 

I'll give details about Colin Wilson's assertions when I get time.  Thanks.   It's an interesting crazy idea like Leninist "cells" or Weishaupt's alleged infiltration of the Masons before the French Revolution. 

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Posted by: @shiva
It would be wonderful if you would also cite the pertinent passage. Some of us [blush] don't have any Colin Wilson books.

 Page 140 Chapter called Paradise Lost, Colin Wilson's Aleister Crowley Nature of the Beast,  The Aquarian Press, 1987 edition. 

 

This chapter appears to be Crolwey messed up and this is his flawed legacy chapter;

 

Like Norman Mudd Crowley's 'magical son' Jones also began to suffer from delusions.  He returned to England and became a Catholic convert - not because he had abandoned the doctrines of Aiwas, but because he hoped to convert the Catholic Church to the Book of the Law.  Failing in this endeavour he returned to Vancouver and was arrested for flinging off a raincoat and revealing himself naked underneath.  Crowley expelled him from the Order. 

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02/10/2020 11:30 pm  
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Crowley expelled him from the Order.

In the course of a letter to Gerald Yorke dated 17th March 1948, Jones remarked:

My magical life went along in A∴ A∴ (and O.T.O.) for a number of years, but my A∴ A∴ Motto was all-inclusive. Therefore, in order to fulfil it to the best of my ability, I simply had to take into consideration other Systems – including some knowledge of the Catholic Church from the inside. (One can never form a just estimate from outside reports of enemies of any orderor institution.)

It's clear from this, I think, that he was not joining the Catholic Church with the idea of infiltrating it, or seeking to convert it to Thelema.

Concerning the return of Jones to England this was in the late 1920s when his mother was seriously ill. He returned to Vancouver in the very early 1930s. So there is a short window for the events which Colin Wilson describes.

Which Order is being referenced in the above quote? The A∴ A∴ or the O.T.O.? The Equinox of the Gods has as its imprimatur the Babalon seal, and Achad is listed as an Officer, suggesting that  Crowley regarded Jones as a member in 1936. Towards the end of 1936 Crowley issued a document expelling Jones from the O.T.O. The correspondence between them which Crowley had initiated earlier that year was degenerating, and Crowley raised again the subject of missing books which he believed (mistakenly) had been stolen about Jones, and he decided that the time had come to expel him from the O.T.O. This was, though, some years after the period of time referenced by Colin Wilson.

I have not come across any evidence for the story about Jones flinging off his raincoat to reveal his nakedness. I suspect that Wilson took it from an account by Kenneth Grant in, I think, The Magical Revival, and I suspect that Grant took this from Crowley, whose later view of Jones was - to put it kindly - jaundiced.

 


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03/10/2020 4:29 am  
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Weishaupt's alleged infiltration of the Masons

The Illuminati was based on Masonry. Weishaupt and Crowley's approach was the same: "The OTO does not infringe on the rights of the big Grand Lodge of England" (or words to that effect). At one point Masons (III* please, minimum) were offered membership in OTO at a reduced price, and the lingo was designed to make it (OTO) attractive to them (Masons). OTO was also based on Masonry.

There are all kinds of Masonry: York, Scot, Egyptian are the primary names that first come into my feeble mind. There are many, many more.

Now, let it be known that [essentially] in all lineages of thought and initiation, including the great big Tree of Life that is Freemasonry, different splinters (of divided lineages) always want to take over another line, or maybe the bigger ball of wax.

Magically speaking, AC infiltrated G.D., (unknowingly), was refused 5=6 by the fellows, went over their head to Mathers, got 5=6, then departed, later to "destroy the Order and its Chief" (AC's words).

Magically speaking, AC infiltrated OTO, (probably semi-knowingly), was granted IX* by Reuss, then X*, then he did the OTO trick maneuver of the lowest degree. Let me save some time here and just pull up a screenshot from The Hot Zones of ...

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Fine print:

This document, The Revised O.T.O. Constitution of 1917, written by Frater Merlin, who was the first O.H.O., was seemingly a revision of The M.M.M. Constitution, "historically" written in 1913 by The Grand Master Baphomet, X°, even though Merlin herein notes "Manifesto M.M.M. 1912." The text cited herein is exact, with no editing; the stops as thou wilt, so a few periods [.], and colons [:], have been removed to allow for a unique font and paragraph style built to match the illustrations, which have been added, and are not part of the original document. Duh.

The letters O.T.O. are a ®egistered Trade Mark of Ordo Templi Orientis, Inc, and any witticism inserted in this historical declaration refer to the organization of 1917 and not its modern incorporated heir.

Then Crowley tried to take over Theosophy. It was a failed attempt. He did better with the GD and OTO.

Various Official Texts of OTO (see: Blue Equinox) lay out a subtle plan whereby members are encouraged to make friends with gov officials, and if possible to get them to sign up. He further explains why such actions will lead to Thelema governing the world - perhaps not in those exact words, but certainly not misquoted in that concept.

Wherever we look, somebody is either trying to infiltrate, overcome, expose, or destroy some other arcane lineage, political party, government, religion, or husband.

"All the rumors of my social media are correct and true,
except they understand but little, and are spun in twisted tales."

Posted by: @dom

He returned to England and became a Catholic convert - not because he had abandoned the doctrines of Aiwas, but because he hoped to convert the Catholic Church to the Book of the Law.

Thank you for the full citation. C.W.'s version does not synch with what M.S. is telling us. I hope we do't have to convense the Great Tribunal, because the penalty for making things up is bitter and terrible ...

Posted by: @dom

... expelled him from the Order. 

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It's clear from this, I think, that he was not joining the Catholic Church with the idea of infiltrating it, or seeking to convert it to Thelema.

Yes. The Supreme Big Tribune will not be needed. We have evidence, that could be "fake news" but I don't think so, that Colin Wilson is to be expelled. Who will sign the document?

 

 


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03/10/2020 8:02 am  

Colin Wilson a bad researcher? 

Oof! 

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Oof! 

Is that a signature?

 


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Is that a signature?

I'm not sure what it could be - it certainly isn't a typo!

"Colin Wilson a bad researcher?" - "Well if the cap fits.."

Ow?!

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03/10/2020 7:31 pm  

It's a low blow like when one of Shiva's pensioners misses a kick-block.

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It's a low blow like when one of Shiva's pensioners misses a kick-block.

Oh-ooofff!

Yes, now we know what you mean.

The question is, "Whoo is getting oofed, and who is doing the low kick blow to cause the oofing?

Sane-i-tary Note: Something is happening in this thread that makes me dizzy. I believe the planes are being confused, the idols thrown down and broken, and the Tower of Babel is being crunched again with dispersal of lingos and minds. I know that's a rather convoluted diagnosis, but does any else get the topsy-turvies as he/she speed-reads the last several posts?

Kee-rist and the 13 apostles on a roller-coaster ride.


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My point is you are saying that a well respected author and criminologist did bad research.  Really?  There's a slim possibility yes.  

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