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10/10/2020 8:12 am  

The year 1975.

Did anyway here give this year irrational major significance on a cosmic level?  

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10/10/2020 5:24 pm  
Posted by: @dom

The year 1975.

Did anyway here give this year irrational major significance on a cosmic level?  

Absolutely:

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10/10/2020 5:42 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

The year 1975.

Did anyway here give this year irrational major significance on a cosmic level?  

Absolutely:

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Too weird and too melancholic.

 

Thank fuck for The Ramones. 

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10/10/2020 6:17 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

I expected to read something more about The Aeon of Maat like NEMA’s book and learn about Frater Achad.

A great deal of the correspondence doesn't concern the Aeon of Maat, it's true. Until a year or two before publication, my working title was the rather more snappy Correspondence between Charles Stansfeld Jones, Gerald Yorke and others, 1948-49. The change to The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat came about as I got more drawn into Achad's work on MANIO (1926), and the Ma-Ion (1948).

Achad didn't have much to say about the nature of the Aeon of Maat. He simply recorded its incoming on 2nd April 1948, discussed aspects of it in some of his subsequent correspondence with Yorke, and left it at that. He did, though, ask Yorke to preserve their correspondence, so I think he was envisaging a time to come when there would be more interest in the correspondence. After his death in early 1950s, his successors in the Universal Brotherhood were keen to keep the correspondence safe, and made typed copies of the letters between Achad and Yorke. References to the correspondence in Grant's work (principally Outside the Circles of Time), and the recent publication as The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat, have been steps along the way of this preservation and dissemination.

Although Achad did not have much to say on the nature of the Aeon of Maat, I did set out my own thoughts on this at some length in the Introduction, but a lot remains to be done. I see the Aeon of Maat - as well as the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel - in terms of Advaita Vedanta. As for learning about Achad, again it was a matter of reproducing the correspondence, and again I tried to give more information about him in the Introduction. There's more about Achad in Martin Starr's The Unknown God, and in the more recent book by Jerry Cornelius, Crossing the Abyss and into the Aeon of the Daughter. I think that Henrik Bogdan's forthcoming Collected Works of Achad, to run across several volumes, will have a great contribution to make.

 


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10/10/2020 8:07 pm  
Posted by: @dom

why chose that name?

You have failed to read the (many) post where I tell why. To repeat: I did not choose that name. It was forcibly thrust upon my previously-chosen name by my great and holy guru, the Grand Master herself.

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For actual woods/hiking stuff, i have Vasque lowtop light hiking shoes with heavy lugged soles, and for more serious backpacking, made-in-U.S.A. Danner Mountain Lights with Vibram soles.

The official practice requires bare feet. The term, "bleeding feet," applies.

Posted by: @christibrany

Dom sir, you are slipping into slots of identification politics.

Oh, you noticed? It's some form of obsessive uncontrol of the mind. All diagnoses are free this morning.

Posted by: @christibrany

If Crowley uses Hinduism why can't Mr. White Shiva?

This question is unclear.

Both Crowley and Mr White are dead, now. AC didn't do much Hinduism. He did a bit of Raja Yoga ... nicely, except for his inadequate description of Pratyahara. He does describe Bhakti Yoga in reference to Netzach and 4=7. Are you ready? Why should Mr white use Hinduism? The personas, metaphors, practices, and religions are all confused in my mind. Is there no hope for the Widow's Son?

Posted by: @christibrany

Choose your boots well. 

Take thine boots from off your feet, for you will enter the holy ground where footwear and rainment are forbidden.

Posted by: @christibrany

At least we are here.

Yes, this is our problem.

Posted by: @dom

I guess Chris but you'd expect someone like ...Shiva here....to have some sort of Egyptological name.  Anyway like I said, why not?

The magical persona dubbed Shiva by The Wicked Witch from The Seat in the East, was previously self-chosen and named Phoenix. You may place that in your Censer (censor?) and ignite it. You know how some people can't resist giving themselves Latin or Mumbo names at each level, sphere, or grade? It's one of those things. But I never made it clear, as in making a list, checking it twice, finding out which name is nice, and I don't intend to start now.

Note: The 40-day exercise is a prerequisite to entering the Phoenix deal.

Note; The Phoenix concept is Universal. They even had them in ancient heathen China. The Univerality (University?) is due to the Archetypal nature of the practice and the process. That's why burning birds are pictorially found all over the place, mostly in all cultures, but maybe there's some troll or trogs who don't like the fire.

Posted by: @christibrany

Can't I call myself Mufasa, Identify as a Lion King and still post on here?

Certainly not. This would be in violation of some obscure, fine-printed sub-clause of some Commandment in The Guidelines. Also, you are only allowed ONE account.

Posted by: @michael-staley

I'm more interested in the substance of what he is saying rather than the manner in which that substance is expressed.

I'm sorry, but you have not presented any disordered signs or systems to get a free diagnosis today.

Posted by: @michael-staley

I'd be very interested to know what you were expecting before you read the book, and how in the event it differed from your expectations.

I also. (Me too?). Sometimes Tiger, through acts of supreme Will, is able to condense his perceptions down into plain flat English with no accent whatsoever ... and he might even grace us with a short expounding of his before and after states of awareness.

Posted by: @tiger

or so such an appearance made a presence.

Yeah, okay. I gnu you could dho it.

 

 


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10/10/2020 8:16 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Did anyway here give this year irrational major significance on a cosmic level? 

Yes. Alice Bailey, me, and some other folks I knew who are not "here," bu, you know, they can be relied upon in hearsay.

 


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10/10/2020 9:49 pm  

I was expecting to get into the vortex and open up to The Incoming of The Aeon of Maat ( i love the name for the book and as i read it, it felt that Achad wanted Yorke and Handel as witnesses ) It started as i expected revealing a mistaken mix up over stolen books. But it changed for me as he seemed to have gone off his rocker. And further it left me in a strange place when he pulled his rank retaining the sole authority in the Order known as the A∴A∴. And an admission recommendation by Yorke to Germer that it might be a mistake to go to the law because Achad and Tranker could establish the next O.H.O. . So it was a wild ride and i’m still dizzy.


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10/10/2020 11:32 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This question is unclear.

Both Crowley and Mr White are dead, now. AC didn't do much Hinduism. He did a bit of Raja Yoga ... nicely, except for his inadequate description of Pratyahara. He does describe Bhakti Yoga in reference to Netzach and 4=7. Are you ready? Why should Mr white use Hinduism? The personas, metaphors, practices, and religions are all confused in my mind. Is there no hope for the Widow's Son?

Oh I get it thanks.  

 

Mr White?   Who is that? 

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10/10/2020 11:33 pm  

@tiger

@michael-staley

 

Mick what Tiger said is what I was trying to get at with my '*pompous' stuff.

Tiger and I think he went off his rocker at some point.

That's pretty much it.

I do agree with your stance of getting the new Aeon or acurrent I'm sorry for my fone . But yes sometimes information must be better presented. 

I am only halfway through and I am sure my view will change a bit.

Best to you and Tiger


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11/10/2020 12:19 am  
Posted by: @christibrany @tiger

Mick what Tiger said is what I was trying to get at with my '*pompous' stuff.

Tiger and I think he went off his rocker at some point.

That's pretty much it.

I do agree with your stance of getting the new Aeon or acurrent I'm sorry for my fone . But yes sometimes information must be better presented. 

I am only halfway through and I am sure my view will change a bit.

Best to you and Tiger

Yes, I realised that when I read Tiger's post. All I can say is that he didn't and still doesn't strike me as pompous nor "off his rocker". On the other hand, of course, both Gerald Yorke and Karl Germer would have agreed with you.

 


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11/10/2020 10:04 am  
Posted by: @tiger

And further it left me in a strange place when he pulled his rank retaining the sole authority in the Order known as the A∴A∴.

I have been trying to tell you (folks) for years about how Achad claimed Ip and then began issuing orders to Therion, a mere Mag. Now, after reading about it in a book, some people get transported to a strange place. I will accept the usual excuses ... as long as you pay your dues in advance. Sez so in The Constitution of 1917, then in effect.

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So it was a wild ride and i’m still dizzy.

These are the kinds of things that happened in the Olden OTO and the Aye-Aye, too. I always found (in my mind) Germer to be the (Atu XIII) Mortician of the OTO. We did some Necromancy and got it resuscitated for a few years. After that burned out (up), McM came along and really Mortified it.

Of course, this Achad-Yorke-Germer-et al literary conjunction took place back in the late '40s - not long after AC died. Parsons was still around. The Space Age hadn't dawned yet (Sept '57 - Sputmick). I was 8 or 9. How old were you in '48, when Maat touched down in at least one noggin'?

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[some people] ... think he went off his rocker at some point.

This is exactly what the fellows at Agape Lodge maintained, and they taught that axiom to us (two folks), and since Achad was my Hero (never Therion), I enjoyed reading all the details in the Agape Lodge letter files ... from the viewpoint of Achad, Therion, Saturnus, et al. Too bad the only part I remember is where (as said above) the new Ip instructed the Mag. I hope my clever abbrevs are understanable?

Now it must also be understtod that The Path of Initiation is a dangerous road. We speak of how the supreme secret of both Magick and Mysticism is to STOP (using - "radio")(listening to - "squelch")(struggling with - "QBL")(etc) THE MIND. As Ignant points out, this is the TALKING (Inner Dialog - Monkey Mind - Roof-Brain Chatter) PART of the Mind. Other mind-sensors are still operative, but they do not include that incessant chatter.

So, we all agree, one has to lose (at least some part) of their mind in order to gain temporary or permanent (as the case might be) liberation (from the brain chatter, which I swear to you is the physiological and psychological basis of Choronzon)? Well, some Spanish people might disagree, just to keep the spot tirred.

All the Outer Order training, whether done under surveillance or solo, is to gain magickal siddhis, that are NOT used, in order to catch the Angel-ride.

All the Inner Order work, done under an Angelic guidance, or under direct perception, is to balance up the whole wagon so it can be used as a launching pad to reach the Star. There's only One Star in Sight in the inner vision. The launching pad must be perfectly balanced. Have you seen those old rocket videos where the pad crumbles first ... before the rocket gets twisted or tweaked and it goes [gasp] off at an angle.

The balanced Adept can do the Star maneuver without harm to his/her mind or the environment. Okay, that gets us up to Binah. Assessing his own words (in general), Achad was playing the game a couple levels higher. He was playing Ip, and that's at Kether, which allows what's left of the participant to consciously go beyond the planetary ring-pass-not. For the dataphiles, that would be exactly (more or less) right at 4.000 Hz on your radio dial, and it would correspond to the Outer Van-Allen Radiation Belt (80,000 miles out).

This would be true "Cosmic Consciousness," not that lesser samadhi stuff. This is Adi Yoga, and it deals with Atma and Shivatma.

At ANY of these stages, that I have drawn out with pointed crayons on clean parchment, the participant is liable to go off-course. It all has to do with the balance and stability of the launching pad. There's a pad at Malkuth, Yesod, Tiph, Binah, Chokmah, and Kether. When someone goes off-course in a heroic takeoff, we call it nuts, insane, crazy, off the rocker-rocket, and all kinds of other names that indicate inability to function in the material world.

None of those names really apply unless the person is so fucked up that they cannot function in society and cannot meet their material needs.

May I cite some examples? Many Kings (or rich people) could not function properly in society, but their wealth allowed them to meet their needs. If the gold was removed, such people would shortly be before some judge with a (bad) note from his doctor. Nietzsche, the godfather of Thelema and Do what Thou Wilt, went "mad" at, what, 49 or 51. This apparently was the permanent variety.

From what I've seen, at no point was Achad unable to meet his physical plane needs, or even fail to interact with society in general. There may have been short periods of unhingement, but not in the "medico-legally insane" words of W.T. Smith as he diagnosed Achad in the late '30s.

He certainly had wild ideas. I liked the one where he turned The Tree upside-down. So do I (have wild ideas - My Tree still stands upright). Ignant has pronounced me insane, but he can't find a Judge to slam the hammer. That's because I have a connection with Maat, which I hardly ever talk about. But I was born on (6 hours before) the Autumn Equinox. Figure it out. Hint: Virgo Libra. Achad taught me how Qabalah works. Not Perdurabo. (See "QBL or The Bride's Reception"). Have you ever heard the term, "Crazy Wisdom?"

I would ask anyone to reconsider their diagnosis, measuring it in it's Level (grade, severity). Consider that he went across the street and became a MahaGuru, which is like a pretty high grade. And he got away with it ... permanently. Could you have taken Achad before the Bar (of Maat) and gotten him restrained due to incapicity to function properly?

Maybe the best we can come up with in the medico-lingo is neurotic. Legally, there's nothing wrong with that. It merely means that someone does, acts, speaks, or appears in a manner that is either irritating or humorous to others.

I case my rest.

Does the persecution have any re-butt-AL?

 


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11/10/2020 8:27 pm  

More data ...

While researching the VIIIth dynasty, I found a historical precendent to the Achad phenomenon:

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Akhenaten is noted for abandoning Egypt's traditional polytheistic religion and introducing Atenism, worship centered on Aten. The views of Egyptologists differ whether Atenism should be considered as absolute monotheism, or whether it was monolatrysyncretism, or henotheism.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten

Akhen took the Eastern Seat when Khem was at it's highest cultural state. He turned everything upside down by dumping the gods and inserting the ONE true God. He imposed Monotheism upon a pantheistic culture. He "foreshadowed" the (in our terms) Osirian Aeon that was initiated by Ankh-f-n-K circa 500 BC, but not introduced in force 'til after 0 BC/AD.

After he died, he was considered insane. Modern medicine tells us he was deformed by a condition and many find his perception to have been warped. His sigils/emblems were erased by his heirs. Khem returned to the gods.

Akhen was "ahead of his time." A flash-bang of a preview of coming attractions.

I see Achad as a similar deal.

 


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12/10/2020 2:54 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Returning to The Aeon of Maat, it might be noted that the butt on the pillow on The Seat in the East is that of Hrumachis. Hru is Heru, a form of Hoor or Horus. Hrumachis, anglicized, means "Horus [in the] Horizon[]," but Maat (Greek: Themis) is the ruler/deity of the Aeon.

So though this dude's main form is the Sphinx he can also appear as a falcon, this will be relevant in a minute.

On the Stele of Revealing is depicted the "Emblem of the West" ("Behind the god is the hieroglyph of Amenti"), a symbol made up of a falcon, a feather, a D-shaped "bread bun" and "folded cloth" (two sets of coloured rectangles of uneven length):

rhk amenti

 

Though this emblem had an original meaning as signifying the afterlife, it can be reinterpreted as meaningful to what's been discussed in this thread: the feather can be seen as representing Maat and the falcon Hrumachis. Its as if they are waiting there behind RHK for their turn on the seat. Even the 2 uneven strips can be seen as "out of balance", meaning its not yet their time.

Something to think about. 🤔 

 

Posted by: @shiva

The only way to grasp a mental picture of the overall process is to admit the holographic principle. If you (anyone) can do this, then you (anyone) has added an extra dimension to their perception sensors. Wheels within wheels, cycles within cycles.

Perception that has an extra dimension, eh?

...

Extradimensional perception?

8 cell

( 😊 )

Wheels within wheels/cycles within cycles would be one form such perception, instead of the extra dimension extending outwards, its rolled up within. I guess we can go with that.


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12/10/2020 9:45 am  
Posted by: @duck

I guess we can go with that.

Example ...

Second
Minute
Hour
Day

Week
Month
Annum
One Lifum (81 years, plus or minus)

Number bigger than this (One Lifetime) are philosophical or theoretical.
They do not apply to any one [persona] because of, you know, Anicca.

eon
Aeon
Grand Equinox (26,000 anni, more or less)

Yugas (vary in length, but their number is exactly known)

One Breath Of Brahma

Many lesser wheels or cycles can fit in a bigger wheel ... or
One big wheel can contain many lesser cycles..

A year has to put up with 365 days, each one looking for perfection, but finding friction instead, but at least there can be infinitesimal advance in each day. That's progress.

Or treading the mill, depending on how happy one is about the amount of effort/qi required to to earn one second's worth of progress.


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12/10/2020 10:23 am  
Posted by: @duck

Though this emblem had an original meaning as signifying the afterlife, it can be reinterpreted as meaningful to what's been discussed in this thread: the feather can be seen as representing Maat and the falcon Hrumachis. Its as if they are waiting there behind RHK for their turn on the seat. Even the 2 uneven strips can be seen as "out of balance", meaning its not yet their time.

Very interesting. It brings to mind a passage by Crowley from the 'New Comment' on The Book of the Law, chapter III, verse 34, which Crowley interpreted as foreshadowing the Aeon to follow that of Horus. The verse from The Book of the Law is this:

But your holy place shall be untouched throughout the centuries: though with fire and sword it be burnt down & shattered, yet an invisible house there standeth, and shall stand until the fall of the Great Equinox; when Hrumachis shall arise and the doublewanded one assume my throne and place.

Crowley's original, 'Old Comment' to that verse read:

"Following him [Horus] will arise the Equinox of Ma, the Goddess of Justice, it may be a hundred or ten thousand years from now; for the Computation of Time is not here as There."

The following passage comes from the 'New Comment' to that verse:

"Note the close connection between Leo and Libra in the Tarot, the numbers VIII and XI being interchanged with XI and VIII. There is no violent antithesis as that between Osiris and Horus; Strength will prepare the reign of Justice. We should begin already, as I deem, to regard this Justice as the Ideal whose way we should make ready, by virtue of our Force and Fire."

It's my opinion that the interpretation of that portion of the Stélé you have highlighted, and these remarks from Crowley's 'New Comment' on that verse, underline Achad's contention to Yorke that the incoming of the Aeon of Maat represented not the termination of the Aeon of Horus but its fulfillment and continuation.


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12/10/2020 1:50 pm  

Yorke to the God filled Jesus scripture feak - “ How on earth you read “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law“ is beyond me. It looks to me like a typical wish phantasm. “ “ pg 386

Achad
“ I hold that Liber Legis contains a marvellous cipher system. It has proved itself to do so. I do not hold that the teachings contained in Liber Legis any longer, if they ever did, in toto indicate a right way of life. “ pg 317

“ I am fully convinced his (A.C.) magical formula was not the best one; so it failed him - and will fail those who try to copy it.
I feel that i have done my “chores” in getting out of the magical web into which i was “caught”. “ pg383


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12/10/2020 2:26 pm  

But what interests me is whether Achad was married during the Amalantrah workings ?
And if he was a Templar ?


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12/10/2020 4:29 pm  
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But what interests me is whether Achad was married during the Amalantrah workings ?
And if he was a Templar ?

Achad had married (around 1907, I think) before moving (with his wife, Rubina) from England to Canada. They were still married at the time of his death in February 1950, so he would have been married at the time of his involvement in the Amalantrah Working. I'm curious as to why that is of particular interest to you.

So far as I'm aware he wasn't a Templar.


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12/10/2020 4:41 pm  
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the God filled Jesus scripture feak

If you consider this a succinct description of Jones, then I'm not surprised that you find The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat disappointing. Many mystics of many different traditions might be described as "God-filled". Your characterisation of Jones as a "Jesus scripture freak" is somewhat lacking in my opinion.

Never mind. Each to his own.

 


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12/10/2020 8:41 pm  

@michael-staley
I wouldn’t consider Jacob Boehme, Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Alphonse Louis Constant, Valentin Tomberg as freaks; though perhaps under the shadow of the old Aeon. I am still open to Jacob Boehme. But yes His letters in The Incoming of The Aeon of Maat did remind me of a few fanatical Jesus freaks that i have run into. Hardly balanced in my opinion. Though i will continue to read more of his writings, to perhaps get a better perspective.
When i read the lefter of Jones describing adultery in defense of A.C. it recalled something which i thought i had read in Churton’s book or some other that Jones had partaken in Sex magick during that time. I could be mistaken for i cannot find the reference.


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12/10/2020 9:05 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

When i read the lefter of Jones describing adultery in defense of A.C. it recalled something which i thought i had read in Churton’s book or some other that Jones had partaken in Sex magick during that time. I could be mistaken for i cannot find the reference.

During one of the sessions of the Amalantrah Working, it was Crowley's intention that the three of them (Crowley, Achad and Roddie Minor) have a threesome, but Achad declined to take part. Although I've got Churton's book Crowley in America. I've yet to read it, but it may be that he refers to this or a similar incident.


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12/10/2020 9:19 pm  
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And if he was a Templar ?

The VI* of the Ordo Templi of the Eastern Asian component  is called Knight Templar or Dame of the Grail. Evidence is herewith posted and introduced as Exhibit 6 ...

*
SIXTH DEGREE
The Ceremony of
Illustrious Knights Templar of the Order of KADOSCH
and of
Dame Companions of the Order of the Holy Grail

The Temple is that of Egypt, octagonal with two pylons, six mirrors. The Canopy is of
blue embroidered with golden stars. Above the mirrors are 77 lights with reflectors, each
mirror having 11, and the pylon of the West 11 of larger size. Here hangs the Volume of
the Sacred Law.

Of the Altar it is not written.

The Knights and Dames are clad in the black or white velvet or silk tunics and knee-
breeches and silk stockings of the IV° but instead of the mantle of green velvet is a
mantle of black velvet. The garter is black with gold lettering: the shoes black with gold
buckles. The collarette, eagle and sash of 30° are worn. The tassels of the mantle are of
gold cord. The cap is that of a Templar, but black with the insignia in gold.

*

Make sure you get all the colors and sashes properly correct. So, Mr/Fr Achad, X*, Supreme and Holy King for either Canada or English-French-speaking North Americana, would automatically be a Templar. The whole Order is called "Oriental Templars."

So, yeah, he was a Templar.

The Swiss connection is due to early modern Swiss-land having been formed by fleeing Knights Templar and their huge pots of gold that were not grabbed at metal-point by the greedy, but bankrupt, King of the French, backed his Popeness himself. The Swiss flag is the Templar emblem/logo, for the Love of Set - he who turned the Order upside down.

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Achad
“ I hold that Liber Legis contains a marvellous cipher system. It has proved itself to do so. I do not hold that the teachings contained in Liber Legis any longer, if they ever did, in toto indicate a right way of life. “ pg 317

This is exceedingly clear. Achad admits his understanding that there is something "better," or more "in toto' than AL. I mean, who wants to spend their entire life fighting in the III* of Chapter III?  I will answer my own question.

Young males with lots of testosterone.

Along these lines, however crooked or twisted they may be, please allow me to run on about what this Maat state/Aeon really implies to the individual person who has come to some internal truce or triumph in his/her struggle 'tween Horus & Set. Hang on while I find a box ...

image

The in toto state is Androgynous

It is not hermaphroditic, homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, or asexual

It is a complete and total balance of fem/mach factors

The Aeon of Maat
is a space-time configuration in which
non-gendered units live and move

Get it?

Maat = Balance = Mind & Intuition, Loaded & Synced
Internally Complete
Monadic Cosciousness
Kether

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That's All.

Posted by: @tiger

“ I am fully convinced his (A.C.) magical formula was not the best one; so it failed him - and will fail those who try to copy it.

This is not exactly true, unless it applies to those who fail to transcend the plane of war.

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I try to keep reminding folks that Thelema has but three grades, the fourth is nor mentioned except in ref to ...

67. Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire. 

49. I am unique & conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they damned & dead! Amen. (This is of the 4: there is a fifth who is invisible, & therein am I as a babe in an egg. )
50. Blue am I and gold in the light of my bride: but the red gleam is in my eyes; & my spangles are purple & green.

So we see openly-proclaimed statements that refer to states even more transcendental than the general subject matter under transmission.

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I feel that i have done my “chores” in getting out of the magical web into which i was “caught”. “ pg383

Right. Ditto and Did-do.

Posted by: @michael-staley

So far as I'm aware he wasn't a Templar.

As I mentioned above, he could not avoid being a Templar. Maybe you (et al) have some differentiating factors that separate "A Templar" from the "Knight Templar, VI* OTO." ?

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Never mind. Each to his own.

No. Everybody must be forced to have the same vision and interpretation. The Inquisition shows and tells us how to do this.

 

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@shiva
Jones claimed one aspect of his work was to form a link with a number of people through a popular presentation of truths.
In my opinion you do a better job of presenting Thelemic ideas as well as a Maatian current in a format that can reach a wider audience.
It is well balanced with a dynamic equilibrium.

Perhaps Jones was a Templar Ophite that got an occult baffling by Aiwass
i guess the church has no way knowing what is secret.
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I just read the part last night where Achad (about halfway through the book near the plates) totally decries Aiwass as evil and Crowley as the devil incarnate, leading the world astray. I think he even denounced Thelema in that letter, as giving 'false truths to men' or something along those lines.  I was a bit shocked as he never said anything so disparaging prior to that. 

I think it was a few months after the BOTL anniversary in 1948.


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Posted by: @christibrany

I just read the part last night where Achad (about halfway through the book near the plates) totally decries Aiwass as evil and Crowley as the devil incarnate, leading the world astray. I think he even denounced Thelema in that letter, as giving 'false truths to men' or something along those lines.  I was a bit shocked as he never said anything so disparaging prior to that. 

I first came across this passage many years ago, when Kenneth Grant quoted it in the chapter of Cults of the Shadow devoted to Achad's work on the Ma-Ion. It's a paragraph in Achad's letter of 20th June 1948 to Yorke (pp.392-394 of The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat). It's an odd paragraph, the tenor not in keeping with the other paragraphs of that letter, let alone other letters before and after.

 


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Posted by: @michael-staley

 

I first came across this passage many years ago, when Kenneth Grant quoted it in the chapter of Cults of the Shadow devoted to Achad's work on the Ma-Ion. It's a paragraph in Achad's letter of 20th June 1948 to Yorke (pp.392-394 of The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat). It's an odd paragraph, the tenor not in keeping with the other paragraphs of that letter, let alone other letters before and after.

 

It's blasphemy basically...... unless it's a Zen-like blasphemy i..e 

 

UMMON'S DRIED DUNG

A monk asked Ummon, "What is Buddha?" Ummon answered, "A dried stick of dung.

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Posted by: @dom

It's blasphemy basically

Seriously?

49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.

53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

Blasphemy's a pretty meaningless charge, isn't it?

 


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Posted by: @dom

It's blasphemy basically

Seriously?

49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.

53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

Blasphemy's a pretty meaningless charge, isn't it?

 

I just read the part last night where Achad (about halfway through the book near the plates) totally decries Aiwass as evil and Crowley as the devil incarnate, leading the world astray. I think he even denounced Thelema in that letter, as giving 'false truths to men' or something along those lines.  I was a bit shocked as he never said anything so disparaging prior to that. 

 

Maybe Chris could elaborate or quote directly but if that passage quoted from him is accurate then yeah it looks blasphemous or Zen-blasphemous. 

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Posted by: @dom

Maybe Chris could elaborate or quote directly but if that passage quoted from him is accurate then yeah it looks blasphemous or Zen-blasphemous. 

You don't do irony, do you? I was suggesting that, in view of the passage quoted from the third chapter of The Book of the Law, it was a bit odd of a Thelemite to bring a charge of blasphemy.

Technical difference perhaps, but Chris didn't quote a passage, he referred to it. The passage is this:

"The final Word, of course, meaning “God is Not Not” (93) simply goes to show that Al Shadai is not to be played with by such fools as deny Him and try to set up in His place a “93” such as Aiwass. He lets Nature testify to the fact in no uncertain terms, and Achad, in writing, to repudiate the Satanic forces. Thus, we may hope, the situation is now cleared up to the final discomfiture of the enemy of mankind which has caused so much trouble since the beginning of this century. This dirty black magical bunch need thoroughly to be smoked out – but that does not lie in human hands; we are mere witnesses and recorders of observable facts."

The passage is out of keeping with the rest of the letter, and with letters before and after, but please don't let that stop you going to town.

 

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

Achad ... totally decries Aiwass as evil and Crowley as the devil incarnate, leading the world astray.

Yes, that was the tone of it at a certain point. Lightning Bolts flashed in the Supernal Heavens.

Winifred Barton denounced Pierre Levesque (Mr White) of having The Devil as his HGA, after they split up. "He was my Temptation," she said.

I ceremonially burned an AL at Mr White's Antebellum. Then, much later, I posted a video and an explanation, that ran on a thread around here for a while, about how "The A.'.A.'. is The Black Lodge."

U.G. describes all organized religions or tutorial gurus to be manifestations of "The Spiritual Con" archetype.

Achad simply had a glimpse of the simple truth that runs through all these quaint tales I have cited. Apparently he had a vivid Biblical-induced thoughtform-making capacity. Frankly, I think you'll find Therion got just as excited, in a different archetypal mode, around this very same time.

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I think it was a few months after the BOTL anniversary in 1948.

He and Crowley both came a bit unglued way back in the '20s. The details are in the Complete Crowley -Jones letters. I have no idea where you can get a copy.

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It's blasphemy basically...... unless it's a Zen-like blasphemy ...

Oh Lordy!  I thought you were the guardian of the black box with asofedetia [sic?] that keeps the Old Aeon thinking under control.

Otherwise, yes, there is a Zen element involved. Direct contact with Ain, Nothing, which is the result of Perfect Balance (Maat), tends to reveal the "fabricated making-up" of the lesser eight Vehicles of Liberation, which include the A.'.A.'., the OTO, the Planetary Hierarchy, the Bordos, the 6 kingdoms of Budhism, and all the other things you can think of.

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The passage is out of keeping with the rest of the letter, and with letters before and after, but please don't let that stop you going to town.

I will go to town and explain that this devastating contact with perfect balance that reveals illusion (or erases it) is a singular crisis that passes. One returns to normal. They will never be the same again, but nobody can tell the difference.

Except maybe if they continue to run their mouth or their pen about the con-game. This is not necessary, because these game are valid at their own level of consciousness.

 


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It seemed like he twisted and turned things to suit his own phantasms. A.C. was Satan, Achad was Jesus and the numbers were the same, so in Ophidian fashion a semblance presented itself but he could not disintegrate in the Abyss but grasped on to save, as Shiva so well put “ the independent operators within the human organism, including impulses, drives, preferences, biases, desires, sort of thing; the thoughts, words, and deeds that appear . ” which Aiwass was set against. So since he reasoned that the Roman Catholic Church having gotten it wrong; he would join to put straight. As well as the Void and the Serpent which needed to be put straight also. So he went on an adventure for a World Government in which the worldling could be cashed in at death to yaldabaoth who is really a manifestation of the Absolute truth in a lesser form.
So i guess after the Magical summoning act; Maat will descend into the stream of the burning ground. Its not his fault you can’t comprehend.

That’s what i got out of it so far. But it’s definitely a ride !


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@michael-staley

 

It sure is oddly placed. . .  Maybe strange wines that foam were involved after a fevered Bible-reading session.  

I don't see why the furor over the 'infiltration' of the Catholic Church, as Crowley also used Catholic elements en masse as we know.  

 

@tiger

 

That is an interesting link RE being a Freemason being a sin and not allowing you Communion.  

Was Achad also a Freemason? 


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@michael-staley

 

Actually I was referring to a different passage where he disparages Aiwass and Thelema but I am at work right now.  I will try and remember to type it up later.  But the 'feel' is the same.

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I ceremonially burned an AL at Mr White's Antebellum. Then, much later, I posted a video and an explanation, that ran on a thread around here for a while, about how "The A.'.A.'. is The Black Lodge."

I always thought this was ambiguous as parts of A.:.A.:. can have somewhat Left Hand attributes as an Ipsissimus is God/ a God?  It's murky wurky. 


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All and @michael-staley,

 

I didn't have the time to type up the passage I wanted but the relevant letter I was referring to earlier in the book RE 'evil Aiwass' and Devil Crowley is at page 192 of the standard edition, facing the first plate.

It surprised me. Almost shocked. 

Mick your letter is in tune with that one but I think this was the first 'inkling' of those sentiments. 


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@christibrany
here

“ The malignancy of this attempt to enslave the souls of men by means of the deceptive slogan “ Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law “ ….the guise of “ Truth “ calculated not to enlighten but to enslave the souls of men unprepared….The “ Beast “ maybe considered his own worst enemy but Aiwass is quite evidently the enemy of mankind, and should be recognized as such, if this new system, deliberately calculated to bring about the self destruction of the human race, is to be rightly evaluated."

"….whereby it was hoped to enslave mankind under the appearance of giving men their freedom.
Ra-Hoor-Khuit, the child of the false union of the human soul and the void, is really the Zeitgeist - the Time-spirit, as opposed to the Spirit of Eternal Truth - that which perpetually denies, and is falsity itself; masquerading as the Lord of the Universe - God. "

" The joke upon humanity, …is that “ Nuit “ ( by means of the “ voice “ and “ personality “ given her by Aiwass and 666 ) sugar-coats the process of dissolution by crying unto men: “ Come unto me ! “ Thus luring them, not to the Highest, as might be expected, but to the lowest and most negative realm of the universe, the brink of the Black Abyss.
“ Hadit “ on the other hand, masquerading as the Lord and Giver of Life ( the knowledge of which is admittedly death ) supplies the negative ideas that will, if accepted and acted upon, aid the soul in this process of self-destruction and final dissolution.
“ Ra-Hoor-Khuit “, in the Abyss, awaits the victims of this process with his promised Vengence, which, in the meanwhile, is threatened against all the “ dogs “ of reason who might turn towards real Truth or think of exposing the illusion and error of this “ New Aeon “ system. “
The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat pg 192, 193, 194

So that's his understanding of it .
And his take; that The New Aeon system is madness.

Grasping on to the grain of sand left in The Rock of Cephas, for the structure of Heaven and supporting his belief system; he became a black brother.

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Thanks for that work, brother! 


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Posted by: @michael-staley

The final Word, of course, meaning “God is Not Not” (93) simply goes to show that Al Shadai is not to be played with by such fools as deny Him and try to set up in His place a “93” such as Aiwass

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Ra-Hoor-Khuit, the child of the false union of the human soul and the void, is really the Zeitgeist - the Time-spirit, as opposed to the Spirit of Eternal Truth - that which perpetually denies, and is falsity itself; masquerading as the Lord of the Universe - God

He does sound quite "Abrahamic" in these quotes as if he still has some residual old-aeon fear of scary Jehovah which he hasn't fully overcome, I'd have to read the book to get a better understanding though and hope to do so when I have saved up some "pocket money". I don't know an awful lot about the guy though his Liber 31 had some effect on me.


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Posted by: @christibrany

I was referring to earlier in the book RE 'evil Aiwass' and Devil Crowley is at page 192 of the standard edition, facing the first plate.

It surprised me. Almost shocked. 

Yes, it doesn't really seem that Achad was any sort of a great cheerleader for "Thelema" in his later years, does it?  Are there any later letters which suggest he might have gone on to retract this rather negative viewpoint? 

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Any one know here to find that beautiful Isa and the frog observance ceremony ?

You All need to get that book and read it.
Its magical; it flits, and flaps and wings about.


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Posted by: @tiger

but he could not disintegrate in the Abyss

Let's remember that he was the first jump-claimer. This sort of thing hasn't worked out well for those who think it's the fast path to glory.

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Maat will descend into the stream of the burning ground.

People are always waiting for someone to descend, or at least "come along," who will set things straight. The Bodhisattva (the coming Budda), Jesus. The Real Shiva. Maat. There's an archetype at work here, but Holy Cow, they've got it backward. The aspirant has to work his way forward, up through the Aeons. Noby will help you in The Burning Ground because you (anyone) needs to be burned (purified).

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I always thought this was ambiguous as parts of A.:.A.:. can have somewhat Left Hand attributes as an Ipsissimus is God/ a God?  It's murky wurky. 

No Ippy is not God. He is involved in the Vision of God Face to Face deal. Atmadarshana. Ippy is said To Have No Will in any direction. so of course "Doing One's Will" is a previous grade level, perhaps a dirty one.

The A.'.A.'. is The Black Lodge only when viewed from above or oustide, because it is a System, an intellectual Construct. From below, I support that construct (curriculum) because it works - if it's followed out the way the Libers tell you (anyone) to do it. Junp-claiming is ridiculous.

The Monad, at Kether, has no system. Yin and Yang have been neutralized. But if the Monad start running off about Jesus, the Devil, and doing something (anything) with the Church, then that's not Mono ... it's [words fail me][fill in your own word].

Posted by: @christibrany

Almost shocked. 

Initiation is Shock. There's always a jolt or a buzz. It rewires things. Perhaps you can see "cross-wiring" in this case?

Posted by: @tiger

Aiwass is quite evidently the enemy of mankind, and should be recognized as such

If Aiwass was indeed one of those Demon/Gods in Sumeria, as Crowley tells us, then I would agree with Achad. The Demon/Gods of Sumeria were known by the Greeks as Archons. This is not a good entry in the Curriculum Vitae of Aiwass. It is known as a "red flag," and you (anyone) are supposed to utter the phrase "WTF?" (a magical interrogation) and try to find out what's going on here.

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- that which perpetually denies, and is falsity itself; masquerading as the Lord of the Universe - God. "

Yeah. That's right. Atma, the Monad, the Universal Self is seen as merely being another construct of the mind ... in the next trance called Shivatmadarshana. The only candidate for the eternal, unchanging state is empty.

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“ Come unto me ! “ Thus luring them, not to the Highest, as might be expected, but to the lowest and most negative realm of the universe, the brink of the Black Abyss.

I find this to be drivelish No further comment.

 

 


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17/10/2020 9:00 am  

 Didn't anyway tell Achad that the  violence and wickedness sections of Legis are symbolic for the war fought by the Yechidah, Chiah and Neshamah against the dumbfuckery of the Guf, Nefesh and Ruach?

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When I say 'anyway' I meant 'way' as in 'one' ie each individual is of The Tao; The Way.   Digging hole right over here. 

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After it jumps and goes all over the place; Achad is like sayin; he ain't tryin to feel the blow and Sh T, Set, Satan thing no more.


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Maybe he got frightened after he jumped; and the Monstrous force inaugurated the unsealing and the unbounding.

He did not want Aiwass destroying the false wrappings.


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Posted by: @tiger

Maybe he got frightened after he jumped; and the Monstrous force inaugurated the unsealing and the unbounding.

He did not want Aiwass destroying the false wrappings.

At the end of the day who cares about Achad and his ramblings? 

 

Make up thine own mind about what the Aeon of Maat is...for thyself;

 

AL 3:34. But your holy place shall be untouched throughout the centuries: though with fire and sword it be burnt down & shattered, yet an invisible house there standeth, and shall stand until the fall of the Great Equinox; when Hrumachis shall arise and the double-wanded one assume my throne and place. Another prophet shall arise, and bring fresh fever from the skies; another woman shall awakethe lust & worship of the Snake; another soul of God and beast shall mingle in the globed priest; another sacrifice shall stain the tomb; another king shall reign; and blessing no longer be poured To the Hawk-headed mystical Lord!

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At the end of the day who cares about Achad and his ramblings?

Well, it's clear that you don't, but many people do. There has been a lot of interest in The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat, and in the forthcoming Collected Works of Achad edited by Henrik Bogdan and to be published across several volumes.


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Posted by: @dom

At the end of the day who cares about Achad and his ramblings?

Well, it's clear that you don't, but many people do. There has been a lot of interest in The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat, and in the forthcoming Collected Works of Achad edited by Henrik Bogdan and to be published across several volumes.

No, when I say 'who cares about his ramblings' I meant his blasphemous ramblings have no validity for me but yeah looks like a good read.  

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Posted by: @tiger

Maybe he got frightened after he jumped

Actually, at the level we are discussing (Achad Ipsissimus Kether) there is no jump. It is more like a blow, as you described previously. The previous paradigm is shown to be evil. The path is annihilated, it is no more. Things are empty.

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At the end of the day who cares about Achad and his ramblings?

I do. He was my childhood hero. But you're right. At the end of the day, who needs to be lugging around any sort of baggage?

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[etc] ... when Hrumachis shall arise ... [etc]

Okay, we know this Hrumachis scenario. But (co-erect me if I'm wrong) nowhere in AL is Maat or Themis or the feminine deity of the next Aeon mentioned. I guess the holy chosen one made that connection; I remember reading his explanation somewhere, but not where I can remember.

 


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Okay, we know this Hrumachis scenario. But (co-erect me if I'm wrong) nowhere in AL is Maat or Themis or the feminine deity of the next Aeon mentioned. I guess the holy chosen one made that connection; I remember reading his explanation somewhere, but not where I can remember.

 

I always assumed that Hrumachis was another name for Maat.  

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