Welcome to LAShTAL, PropriaDeus93. I hope you find much of use and interest here.

Best wishes,

Michael.

Hey PropriaDeus93, where are you at in Germany?

93, PropriaDeus...

and a big welcome from Munick too!

Love=Law
Lutz

Welcome to LAShTAL...

Thank you all 🙂

@Walterfive
Near Stuttgart 🙂

Ah, used to go to Stuttgart for Society of Creative Anachronisms events. We held our events in real castles! That was 20+ years ago... I lived outside of Heidelberg in Schwetzingen, the location of the Palatine Prince's amazing 18th cent. Roccoco summer palace, follies and gardens. This was back when I was in the Army as a Journalist from 84-88.

holy shit, how old are you 😀

well I think my dad owns an appartement in Schwetzingen, pretty cool 🙂

Oh, I'm 48!

That's a great place to be growing up, BTW. Enjoy it and take advantage of the culture, the museums, the art, man, that's an incredible opportunity! There's more to see & do within 6 hours of you there than most people will ever see have an opportunity to see in their entire lifetime, all that Romantic Road stuff, all those old castles and museums and antiques, Wurzburg, Rothenberg, Nurenberg, Trier, the Schwartzwald, man, I get green with envy just thinking about it!!! The outdoor music festivals are great too, or used to be, anyway.

yeah i love the countrysides here, i myself don't live in a city, more like a village with big forests etc... 🙂

I didn't know where to post this request, but here I go:

I just don't know where to start considering Thelema.
I also have a lack of time to read through everything but would
still like to have some more knowledge and some texts/rituals/etc
that help me through the day.

Does anyone have tips for me? Recommendations?

Thanks in advance

(sorry for bad English)

A lot of people (including myself) found Lon Milo DuQuette's "The Magick of Aleister Crowley" - as it is now titled - a very helpful book to begin with.

I have also heard that "Abra Had Abra" by Rodney Orpheus is a good one for beginners too. But I have never read it myself...

Welcome to the weird and wonderful world of Thelema btw 🙂

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Welcome Propriadeus.
I got started many years ago by studying a little Qabalah before getting into Crowley and Thelema - this helped a lot. My particular favorite was Dione Fortune's Mystical Qabalah. There are many others though. Hope you enjoy this great site.

Keith

93, Propriadeus!

An important factor would also be if you want to read any books in english or if you prefer German editions. DuQuette's and Orpheus' work are not translated so far, so you would have to rely on the books that are. There are pretty much of them, but mostly these are AC's own works or the biographies by mainly Symonds, Frater V.D. or Bouchet. I find "scientific illuminism" by Andreas Ludwig pretty well-balanced (if I remember correctly) or else you are dependent mostly on M.D.Eschner's books, which have their special flavour. I would probably start with "Magick Without Tears" or "Magick", which are pretty easy available in different german editions.

http://www.tectum-verlag.de/8869_Andreas_Ludwig_Aleister_Crowle y's_Scientific_Illuminism_Stichworte_Thelema_Kabbala_Magie_Satanismus_Okkultismus_Magischer_Orden_Crowley_Aleister_Dee_John.html
http://www.amazon.de/Magick-Alltag-lernen-without-Tears/dp/3894230762
http://www.amazon.de/Magick-Bd-1-Aleister-Crowley/dp/389423007X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236844248&sr=1-1

For rituals only, and that's pretty much all about it:

http://www.amazon.de/Aleister-Crowleys-Magische-Rituale-Gregorius/dp/3877020542/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236844146&sr=8-1

Also Regardie's Golden Dawn books are translated and can be very helpful in the beginning and to what Crowley had as his ritualistic basis. It is in any case very helpful to read English if you are interested in Thelema.

Love=Law
Lutz

93, all!

PropriaDeus93, hello! Have you checked out the OTO in Germany yet? Do you know anything of it, there?

Thanks.

93
93/93

There's a PDF version of the first edition of Abrahadabra on the German OTO site available for free download:

http://oto.de/documents_02.html

Some other decent German Crowley translations on that page as well.

Regards,

Rodney

I wanted to say, I loved Abrahadabra when I read it several years back. A segment on personality change from that work has stuck with me and fascinated to no end.

93, Rodney!

Hey, thanks for the info. I had no idea.

Love=Law
Lutz

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I just tried to download Abrahadabra from the above link, but unfortunaltelly without success. In fact, I got the following:

"THIS FILE HAS BEEN STOLEN (LEECHED)

This file doesn't belong to the site you came from

You came from: http://oto.de/documents_02.html

Please e-mail the webmaster of that site and tell him:
NOT TO LEECH OTHER SITES LINKS!!

This link belongs to http://www.oto.de.?

Love is the law, love under will.

B.

I think I gave you a bad link, sorry... Try this one instead:

http://www.oto.de/documents_02.html

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

It works, thank you,

Love is the law, love under will.

Thanks for the great reply 🙂

And no I haven't checked out the OTO in Germany yet, since
I still don't know if Thelema is the TOTAL right thing for me. 🙂

Well here's the thing, and I tell this to all my Magickal & Pagan friends-- What the degrees of the OTO will do for you is help you focus your Will, loose some baggage, and give you tools to assist you in your development (as long as you can wrap your head around them). These things will assist you no matter what your path or destiny may ultimately be, or where it may lead you.

Secondly, it's not an "all or nothing" sort of arrangement. The Minerval Degree is an introductory degree, it gives you access to the Order and its members, and opportunity to see (for both you and your local body) wether or not you are a good "fit". Furthermore, you can choose to progress through the degrees (or not) at your own speed, and your own level of comfort. So it doesn't *have* to be a "total right thing", you can just try it, and walk away whenever you want. 🙂

sorry guys for writing in german.........

93 PropariaDeus,

wenn du mal bei einer gnostischen Messe @ L.V.X. Aeterna Lodge in Stuttgart teilnehmen möchtest, melde dich einfach bei mir. -> Adul.Aeterna@googlemail.com
Da kannst du dir auch die Loge anschauen und andere Mitglieder des O.T.O. aus Stuttgart und Umgebung kennen lernen. Wir freuen uns immer neue Leute zu treffen.

Wie schon erwähnt ist Abrahadabra ein sehr gutes Buch für Anfänger.
"Aleister Crowleys Scientific Illuminism" -> http://www.amazon.de/Scientific-Illuminism-angewandte-Psychologie-Transformation/dp/3828888690 ist auch ein sehr gutes Buch,
das den Vorteil hat das jede die Wahrheit verschleiernde Mystik beiseite gelassen wird.

Da dein English ja sehr gut ist, kann ich nur zustimmen das Lon Milo Duquettes - "The Magick of Aleister Crowley" und ausserdem auch noch Gerald de Campos - "New Aeon Magick: Thelema Without Tears" sehr gute Bücher sind.

Alles Liebe aus Ludwigsburg

93´s
Dan

From the Guidelines: Posts must be in English.

http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-404.phtml

Sorry........ i won t do it again.............

No worries - saves me having to go running to http://www.freetranslation.com