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I don't know why i post this, but i do. Within the last few months i have been drawn to spiritual books and videos. Recently i discovered through an Amethyst Pendulum my Spirit name, the names of my spirit guides, and all but 4 of the people in my spirit group and their names. I tried to contact my spirit guide through meditation first, but all i can get are flashes of incomprehensible images and faint voices which i can't really hear or rather comprehend. Using an Amethyst pendulum i had bought when i first took an interest in spiritual things i was able to get all this information including names by going through the letters of the alphabet one at a time. I don't know why but i had this gut feeling that i was Aleister Crowley. I was told that i am. I was told that i did not have an incarnation inbetween even though there is a 40 year difference between death and birth. I was told that i was not a good person as Aleister and that i am burning off a lot of Karma in my current incarnation because of it. I was told that i am the furthest along out of my spirit group and that my spirit guide is still happy with my progress. Crowley and his Thoth deck are actually what first peaked my curiosity in spiritual things but after i had learned a little about him i quickly switched to a Rider-Waite deck. I don't really use Tarot cards at all anymore, my curiosity being focused mostly on meditation and literature on Meditation, reincarnation and karma.

From what little i know of Aleisters life we share a lot of common interests and traits. I have suffered, and to a small extent still suffer in truly ironic ways when compared to some of the things i did as Crowley. We share striking facial similarities. I don't know why i post this.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
I don't know why but i had this gut feeling that i was Aleister Crowley. I was told that i am.

Well, I guess that settles it, then.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
... i had this gut feeling that i was Aleister Crowley. I was told that i am.

Please be aware that many, many people have made the same assumption. We could compile a long list of people who think/thought they were/are Crowley.

An inmate told his guardian, "I am Napoleon."
The guardian said, "But all those other people [he points to a group] say they're Napoleon.
"Let me tell you a secret," said the inmate, "I'm the real one."

Look, it's a common enough thing to think. Unless you can prove it (to yourself), it's better just to get on with the work and not get caught up in who one "was."


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Look, it's a common enough thing to think. Unless you can prove it (to yourself), it's better just to get on with the work and not get caught up in who one "was."

Unless of course aIWASs 

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I understand. Was his work good in nature and he was just a flawed person? If i wanted to learn more about him and his studies where should i start? What should i read first? I am worried. Every little bit i read about him scares me off.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
We share striking facial similarities. I don't know why i post this.

Maybe if you were to upload a photo of yourself we could compare and contrast and then take it from there.  By the way this is good forum on Thelema you may like  http://www.heruraha.net/index.php?sid=dd88ae58d1d791baf89d5d7f36c1ee55  The admin over there is a firm believer in reincarnation.  You will no doubt find many like-minded people over there.


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"david" wrote:
"Jonah G" wrote:
We share striking facial similarities. I don't know why i post this.

Maybe if you were to upload a photo of yourself we could compare and contrast and then take it from there.

Don't encourage him.


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I think a pendulum is not a good way to contact your spirit guides. Going back and holding the pendulum i discovered how easy it was to dictate whether it turned clockwise or counter clockwise with just the slightest movement of the fingers. Perhaps subconsciously i was dictating which way it turned and fooling myself. It just seems strange that i was able to spell out full names which i had never even heard of before but upon googling discovered were real names that other people use. But then again with all the people on this earth someone is bound to be named by almost every word there is. I think i was just fooling myself, i don't know. I don't know why i posted this here, what other reaction was i expecting. I will continue meditating and studying reincarnation.


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"Los" wrote:
"david" wrote:
"Jonah G" wrote:
We share striking facial similarities. I don't know why i post this.

Maybe if you were to upload a photo of yourself we could compare and contrast and then take it from there.

Don't encourage him.

It's made my day.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
I will continue meditating and studying reincarnation.

If you'd like some genuine advice, don't study reincarnation. It's complete and total nonsense, and it will do little more than waste your time and fill your head with more of these sorts of delusions.

There is no evidence that suggests "reincarnation" is an actual thing that happens. There is no evidence that there are "spirit guides" or that it's possible to "contact" them, by any means.

If I were in your position, I would continue meditating (focus on your breathing, clear your head, focus on reality). A basic Thelemic practice like saluting the sun four times a time (sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight) will keep you focused on the external world. Taking up some active hobbies -- running, nature walks, working out at the gym -- will help keep you grounded as well. If you're interested in studying Crowley's works, you might want to start with Magick Without Tears or Little Essays Towards Truth, both of which are readily available online through a quick google search.

And there's your dose of unsolicited advice for the day! Best of luck.


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I don't know why but i had this gut feeling that i was Aleister Crowley. I was told that i am.

I am the only true and correct reincarnation of Big Al Crow.


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I will start with those two books, thank you. I don't know why but i am drawn towards reincarnation and every time i ask my spirit guide to visit me in my dreams i wake up so refreshed and rejuvenated the next morning which is very uncommon for me as i am such a terrible sleeper. When i meditate i see hands which help take away the bad energy i visualize leaving my body.

David, here is a picture of myself, sorry, i'm not trying to stir up more trouble.

http://postimg.org/image/3rmv8hirn/
http://postimg.org/image/rm3h7qs1p/


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law!

Greetings, Jonah.  I have to agree with Los, the reincarnation vein is empty.  In fact, if you look deeply enough, most of the spiritualism found in Thelemic circles is just a set of blinds.  There are no demons to conjure.  Crowley as much as says so himself in his introduction to the Lesser Key of Solomon the King.  There is some argument in how to understand Aiwass, but there are few if any grounds to take the argument seriously.  Self-transformation is the thing, my friend.  You are God.

Yeheshuah.

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"Yeheshuah" wrote:
You are God.

No he isn't! ... I am. Or I-was.


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"Within the last few months I've been drawn to Spiritual books & videos.".... Yeah, this isn't a setup.


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I think a pendulum is not a good way to contact your spirit guides and i was subconsciously controlling which way it spun and because my gut told me i was Aleister the pendulum answered how i wanted it to answer. I still choose to refer to my guides by the names given until told otherwise though. It was an honest mistake. We have similar personalities and some of the ways i have suffered in this lifetime are karmatically ironic compared to Aleisters life. I am 6' 6.5" and have similar mouth/nose/forehead/head structure. I grew up extremely anti-religious, anti-government anti-everything. I wrote a lot of poetry and literature as a child and teen, mostly about anti-religious/government issues. I was bullied first by my brothers which left me introverted and thus led to bullying at school and i believe is karmatic of Aleisters aggressive nature to teach me humility and know what it is like to be on the receiving end of such a force. I grew up with an Erectile Dysfunction due to excessive masterbation to internet pornography since puberty which i believe was karmatic of Aleisters sexual perversions and forced me to approach my sexuality as a task and forced me to learn and discover what love is and to truly appreciate it once it was attained.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
David, here is a picture of myself, sorry, i'm not trying to stir up more trouble.

http://postimg.org/image/3rmv8hirn/
http://postimg.org/image/rm3h7qs1p/

I think it's fair to say that you do not resemble Crowley when he was your age...or any age.


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"Jonah G" wrote:
. I grew up with an Erectile Dysfunction due to excessive masterbation to internet pornography since puberty which i believe was karmatic of Aleisters sexual perversions and forced me to approach my sexuality as a task and forced me to learn and discover what love is and to truly appreciate it once it was attained.

Keep goin' with this it's fascinating.....


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Welcome Jonah (You are welcome).  “We accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us”.  You seem to have already joined the club (of reincarnated Aleisters)!

"Los" wrote:
[...] A basic Thelemic practice like saluting the sun four times a time (sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight) will keep you focused on the external world.

Or saluting your own settee, let’s not forget that variation eh?  It works just as well doesn’t it Los, according to you? 😀

Yours in Thelema
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wow.


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Oh gawd...  😮


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If this Society was a club; we would be sitting in a plush parlour with a nice bar and in the corner a couple of people in rags would be proclaiming a bunch of nonsense while the rest of us were just relaxing.  Meanwhile in the toilets the so-called material rationalists would be in the toilet pretending it was the club they always wanted.  At least that's what just popped into mind.


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"christibrany" wrote:
. . . and in the corner a couple of people in rags would be proclaiming a bunch of nonsense . . .

Just the two, eh?


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"Michael Staley" wrote:
"christibrany" wrote:
. . . and in the corner a couple of people in rags would be proclaiming a bunch of nonsense . . .

Just the two, eh?

I'm sure there have been hundreds claiming to be the old AC. Lon Milo Duquette and Israel Regardie and I am sure YOU Michael Staley can attest to that.

There is an interesting article where Lon Milo discusses this phenomenon (I would call it a trend but it's been going on for more than 50 years!) located here:

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/10oct/acrowley666.html

In the article Lon Milo discusses his experiences with these claims and also mentions his conversations with Israel Regardie and the book they joked about writing that would be called, "Liber Nutz."

But I suspect the OP of this thread is merely trolling and having fun..


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If this Society was a club; we would be sitting in a plush parlour with a nice bar and in the corner a couple of people in rags would be proclaiming a bunch of nonsense while the rest of us were just relaxing.  Meanwhile in the toilets the so-called material rationalists would be in the toilet pretending it was the club they always wanted.  At least that's what just popped into mind.

I rather hope it would be like 'The Club of the Damned' from BBC 1977 Supernatural, now on DVD. A sort of cross between a Victorian gentleman's club and satanic temple.


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"elitemachinery" wrote:
I'm sure there have been hundreds claiming to be the old AC. Lon Milo Duquette and Israel Regardie and I am sure YOU Michael Staley can attest to that.
There is an interesting article where Lon Milo discusses this phenomenon (I would call it a trend but it's been going on for more than 50 years!) located here:

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/10oct/acrowley666.html

In the article Lon Milo discusses his experiences with these claims and also mentions his conversations with Israel Regardie and the book they joked about writing that would be called, "Liber Nutz."[...]

The actual reference there was as follows:

Crowley Reborn - Frequently

Crowley's reputation did not die with him in 1947.  His mystique continues to such a degree that today he is the favorite past life of many individuals who are, shall we say, unbalanced.  Over the years I've met quite a few individuals who have claimed with grim-faced conviction to be Aleister Crowley reborn.  By the late 1970s I had logged so many encounters with "Aleister Crowley #2s" that I was contacted by famed occultist Israel Regardie (one-time secretary to Crowley) who suggested he and I pool our letters and anecdotes and publish them in a book titled Liber Nutz.

This is true: and in addition to recollecting Gerald Suster discussing seeing the manuscript/ file I even seem to recall, unless in a dream, sometime in the 80s seeing the title named in a published list of Regardie’s forthcoming attractions (& even spelt with the "zee"!) 

Does anyone know how far this anthology reached in receiving a publishable format/ wider circulation? Perhaps it has even surfaced on the internet, since nearly everything else appears to these days.  Being a little bit of an aficionado for this sort of thing I should like to read a little further in this tome of madness, if at all possible.

N Joy


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Gosh guys don't be so close minded.

I mean like, if time is relative and subjective, and like reincarnation is obviously true then like, totally we could have like different Aleisters from other universes like totally reincarnating in the same time in our universe.

lol


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"christibrany" wrote:
... time is relative and subjective

Well, in theory, yes. We've all experienced how time "seems" to speed up (when having a good time) and slows down (when bored or miserable or in the dentist's office), and I suppose some have experienced that phenomenon known as "time stands still" or "time [really] slows down, but getting it to be "relative" is a bit trickier.

... like reincarnation is obviously true ...

Subject to subjective belief systems and waiting for proof.

... then like, totally we could have like different Aleisters from other universes like totally reincarnating in the same time in our universe.

Great! Some of us can hardly wait

lol

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There is no agreement on whether reincarnation is real. And we have no system in place to prove or disprove such at this time. We have our feelings and hunches, our skeptics and early adapters, but that's about it.

But it looks to me like there was a somewhat vicious and collective group effort to revive the work of Aleister Crowley beginning in the 1960's.

From the burglaries of Regardie and Germer to the establishing of the Solar Lodge (Hello Frater Shiva!) to the Beatles using the signs of the grade on the HELP album cover, and wearing colorful Baphomet costumes on Sgt Pepper...the publishing (finally) of Crowley's Thoth deck, and other biographies, autobiographies, anthologies etc.

And with LSD and Occult/New Age stuff so popular in the 60's weren't people encouraged to explore past lives during this time?

Didn't Jean Brayton claim to be Crowley reincarnated? I've read that Charles Manson and Bobby Beausoleil both thought they were the "reincarnation of Aleister Crowley" at one point.

Perhaps Crowley has become an archetype like Lucifer or The Devil. A role that people can "play" to explore that side of their character or while performing certain tasks or studies?

But there appears to be many many sincere claims over the years and to this day. And for every announcement there are probably ten people that chose to be silent about it.

I have heard that many women over the years claimed they were Crowley reincarnated after reading Moonchild.

But regardless of who made these claims over the years, it's clear that many people were very intent on reviving Crowley's work and Crowley's message during this time. From Timothy Leary to Jean Brayton to The Beatles, Led Zeppelin etc.

From the 1960's forward a focused and sometimes violent collective group effort was on to reincarnate and/or revive his work.

I think it's incorrect to say Crowley started the 60's movement. The people who started it and their actions are a matter of record. But clearly  many people were inspired by Crowley, and intent on reviving his message and his work.


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giggle :p


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"christibrany" wrote:
Gosh guys don't be so close minded.

I mean like, if time is relative and subjective, and like reincarnation is obviously true then like, totally we could have like different Aleisters from other universes like totally reincarnating in the same time in our universe.

lol

If you were to take out the "I'm just kidding" markers from this post, it would read exactly like something you might seriously post.


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That's told you, Chris. Pay attention to teacher, now, and take that smirk off your face.


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Loss:  I'm glad you think so highly of me! 🙂


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I'm baggsying reincarnation rights of that guy (I can't remember his name) who runs the OTO. When he goes, I'm him and his vast sprawling estate is mine!


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Funny, I've always suspected Rob Zombie...


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