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15/10/2015 9:47 pm  

Hello!

I've been in and out of this place, but I've never written a proper introduction. So here it goes:

I discovered Crowley while reading my favorite author, Robert Anton Wilson, and the novel I love the most: Masks ot the Illuminati.

I've been an active member of the Usenet newsgroup alt.magick, and the Lashtal forums. Lately, I've been silent and off site - mostly because I've directed my energies at having a new baby - who was born on Crowleymas Eve 2015.

My profession is singing at the Opera - I have a master's degree in singing from the Sibelius Academy (I'm a Heldentenor) - and I'm currently (2015) a stay-at-home dad, since my youngest child is just barely one year old. (My older child has just turned nine.)

What I don't care about is the supernatural - I think that's a bad category. Either it does exist, in which case it might be strange and unusual, but natural, or it doesn't exist, in which case it's a delusion.

So do I think it's all just a delusion? No, not at all! After all, we do have things like Beethoven's symphonies, which are beyond rational thought. Just because something cannot be described in rational terms, doesn't mean rationality is worthless.

And that's why I find Crowley so fascinating. One simply cannot accept all Crowley has said without criticism. And once you've trained yourself on finding out if the things written by Crowley are true or not, ordinary truths - the ones everybody agree upon - no longer seem so obviously true anymore.

So that's my - seriously late - introduction. I look forward to discussing all manners of things with you on the forums.

Cheers!
HG


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15/10/2015 10:05 pm  

Thanks for introducing yourself, @HG

From that introduction, it's obvious that you're in exactly the right place here!

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Michael Staley
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24/10/2015 2:04 pm  

What I don’t care about is the supernatural – I think that’s a bad category. Either it does exist, in which case it might be strange and unusual, but natural, or it doesn’t exist, in which case it’s a delusion.

I can't imagine anyone quarrelling with that. I too consider "supernatural" as a misleading term since nothing exists outside the natural order. Some seem to use the term to dismiss as delusory any phenomena ouside our present knowledge of the natural order, which seems short-sighted.


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Shiva
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24/10/2015 2:57 pm  

I'm sure we'll find the roots of the word "supernatural" a ways back in history. In the dark ages. Oooh, about a thousand or 1500 years ago, they had the strangest ideas. Even today, our hero is commonly and freuently referred to as a Satanist or a Black Magician.


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Los
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24/10/2015 3:03 pm  

Hi HG,

I've been reading you for years over on the old alt.magick archives. I particularly enjoyed your collection of the "Best of alt.magick." I've also enjoyed your contributions to Lashtal, so let me officially say welcome!

In response to Michael's point above:

I too consider “supernatural” as a misleading term since nothing exists outside the natural order. Some seem to use the term to dismiss as delusory any phenomena ouside our present knowledge of the natural order

Well, "supernatural" is a term used as a shorthand to group phenomena that are claimed to exist but for which no compelling evidence has ever been produced. As a result, there's no reason to think that such phenomena exist, which would indeed make it "beyond nature" or "super-natural" (i.e. non-existent).

Obviously, if something like, say, ESP or psychic powers or spirits exist, then they would be as natural as anything else that exists. But it appears that there's no good reason to think that such things exist. So, until there's sufficient evidence to support the idea that they exist, I'm fine with putting a label on them that suggests they are outside nature (non-existent).


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Michael Staley
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25/10/2015 9:54 am  

Well, “supernatural” is a term used as a shorthand to group phenomena that are claimed to exist but for which no compelling evidence has ever been produced. As a result, there’s no reason to think that such phenomena exist, which would indeed make it “beyond nature” or “super-natural” (i.e. non-existent).

That's quite a leap, to declare that because there is no compelling evidence for such phenomena to date, therefore such phenomena are non-existent.

Obviously, if something like, say, ESP or psychic powers or spirits exist, then they would be as natural as anything else that exists. But it appears that there’s no good reason to think that such things exist. So, until there’s sufficient evidence to support the idea that they exist, I’m fine with putting a label on them that suggests they are outside nature (non-existent).

I too am fine with you putting on such phenomena any label that you choose.


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