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mzezz
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14/07/2020 10:23 am  

Hello Everyone, I ‘chanced’ across this forum and after reading a couple of threads decided to join up as it feels there is a level of consistency, maturity  and knowledge here that I would love to learn from and hopefully contribute to.

I have only been a regular, active member of one other forum (closed, and to do with spectator sport), which I still am, but am not as active on there as I was (though I have made some great friends and it is a very close community), many of the subjects / discussions just don’t feed my spirit nor nuture my soul - and that is what I need and the path I feel compelled to follow in all aspects of my life.

My main guiding force is synchronicity - which led me here - although I am careful not to interpret any synchronous events to have any particular meaning, rather that I am where I am meant to be…ime, the ‘meanings’ become undeniably clear later on (sometimes much later) and often not what I ‘thought’ so I try not to ‘think’ too much - if that makes sense?

I have always had a fascination / interest in Crowley and the Occult since my teens (and have an extensive library), but have stayed very much on the ‘outside’ for varying reasons (fear, instability, incapacity). Over the last year or so I have reached a point in my life where it feels right to follow a more magikal path and develop my spirit connection, spirit life, to not be such a solitary traveller - to commit on a deeper level (many / all of my friends see my  abilities as a novelty, although only my closest friends know about this aspect of me, I am a private person generally, with this stuff even more so).

I have never finished my copy of 'The Book of the Law' as I would then have to burn it, and it is a rather beautiful limited edition of the work. I find when I dip into it and 'hold' a sentence, paragraph etc, that rather terribly beautiful yet necessary lessons - although seemingly unconnected - unfold...I find much of Crowley's tomes very difficult to understand on a mental level (they seem to get different parts of my brain? working), but they do seem to trigger deep lessons / awareness on less material planes resulting in insights that I am not sure where from, so grounding any knowledge in Crowley seems a natural 'fit' for me at this time.

I ‘play’ with tarot (my first set was Witches / Reed Cannon, although Thoth is my main and favourite), which has mostly been for myself, but over the last few years have done readings that have proved to be uncannily true not only for myself but others (and I now see the value in keeping a record, as it is only by this that I have noticed), though I haven’t always ‘seen’ or understood that at the time (including this pandemic, it was really quite unnerving to realise!), so am very much a novice. While I have never doubted the cards, I have always doubted my own abilities not just in the cards, but in everything (though not such a bad thing to be questioning, but I can take it to extremes). I wish to be among like-minded people to develop confidence in my own abilities.

I also dowse answers to ‘uncanny’ accuracy (just a long as I get the question right!), often things I couldn’t possibly know, and friends have oft called me a witch  (compliment) at times in my ability to find lost things, insights into situations etc (though it did scare off one ex). For me these things are quite ‘normal’, but am realising more and more how in the general world they are not, and seek a world experience where this is more the norm.

I did reiki degrees many years ago, but what awakened with me wasn’t reiki but another form of healing and was very strong - I remember the teacher remarking on that. At the end of the first degree we were asked to draw a picture. The one I did incorporated the symbols from the 2nd - there was no way I could have consciously known that, as back then, the symbols were still very much secret. So I have this ‘healing’ ability that I also have not developed over the years - sometimes it just switches on, so then I ask whoever it has switched on for if they would like it (I never do without permission - anything!). And it is always there if I need / want it, but I am ashamed to say I have not used as much as I would like.

I have a strong meditation practice. Again, I experienced a very strong reaction when first learnt it in 2018 - my teacher asked me if I  had mixed any other techniques - I hadn’t - and the experience changed me completely and irreversibly. I also practice yoga (can’t wait for my studio to re-open - the yoga I practice has to be done in the right conditions for it to work for me, fingers crossed for the 25th when they hope to re-open), and have experienced great benefits (I have a chronic condition since childhood), with both practices.

I have also led a more solitary life because of my health - people can project their own fears around ill health onto me and I follow a path that focuses on healing rather than the ‘illness’, so I don’t fit in with people more focused on their ‘illness’ (but different paths work for different people). I actually have immense gratitude - at times - for my condition (which I’ve had since childhood), as it has helped me to see and grow in many ways that wouldn’t otherwise have been possible. 

Because of my health I also have a very natural diet and am teetotal and use no drugs (only when as a last resort - like the antibiotics I was recently prescribed for covid which helped with my oxygen levels no end), although I did experiment in my teens / 20's with drugs. I react very strongly to chemicals and am very sensitive generally to everything.

I’m into Jungian ideas and work at integrating my Shadow and communicating with my subconscious aspects. Again, this alienates me from much of the population as many are not ready to go there (which I used to be so can relate), but is such a wonderful, bliss-filled journey of integration I cannot not continue.

Haven’t delved as much as I’d have liked into Quaballah / Kaballah, but this is an area in which  I would also like to develop (and also the tarots I am most drawn to are very heavily anchored in Kaballah). It seems to me to be a system very much grounded in this world (and all the others), and I wish to be very much in this reality before I go exploring / increase my awareness of ‘elsewhere’.

Recently, I have started connecting more with the dense energy of the city (I live in London, UK), which only makes the ‘hit’ of nature even more intense. I am lucky where I live now, as I have a spacious flat - especially for London - a huge attic I wish to convert for my spiritual practice (though pandemic has delayed those plans somewhat) and there are many trees and easy access to  green spaces. Nature and the natural rhythms of life are also something I wish to connect more deeply with (and am working on learning Lunar aspects atm - yet another interest that I have neglected over the years).

My move into this flat end of last year was also driven by synchronicity and happened very quickly - I was really quite reluctant  to move - but as the pandemic unfolded I am so grateful I followed this path, and understand the urgency that was coming through to move (I wanted to wait until Spring, when my health is much ‘better’). My old flat was very small, in a block, in a very built up, densely populated, area, many young families, not great sound-proofing (but lovely neighbours - mostly), which, with my sensitivity to noise and having to shield would have driven me quite insane. I feel very blessed and in awe of the invisible forces that guide me.

Many here talk in terms - and seemingly a language - that I do not understand - and that I seek. I wish to be among others where I don't have to 'hide' or downplay my inherent True Self. A community where I can be visible (or as visible as I can be behind a screen).

Anyway, that is enough about me and would like (if appropriate) to know more about / background of anyone responding to this post if they so wish…

Thank you for reading and I look forward to exploring.


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djedi
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14/07/2020 5:03 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

I have always had a fascination / interest in Crowley and the Occult since my teens (and have an extensive library)

Besides Crowley, who are some authors that appear in your library?


christibrany
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14/07/2020 6:12 pm  

@mzezz

 

Welcome aboard!  I wouldn't say we are consistently mature however.... 🙂

& Just 'cos a book tells you to burn it , doesn't mean you have to, right? 

 

I am in Qaballah mode light these days. Diet Qaballah if you will.  Memorising...I was doing dharana meditation weekly for about 2 years but the last year or so has mostly been a break from that, and focussing more on hygenic rituals and just looking inside at my patterns.  If you are naturally intuitive/sensitive you can even get nice energy movement or contacts from the basic banishings. 

Congrats on beating the covid-hopefully no lasting ill effects. 


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14/07/2020 7:41 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

it feels there is a level of consistency, maturity  and knowledge here that I would love to learn from and hopefully contribute to.

This is the place. Pay no attention to those men behind other curtains.

Posted by: @mzezz

discussions just don’t feed my spirit nor nuture my soul

We can't help you there. But we will beat up and tear down your illusions. One those nagging glamours are swept away, the truth will dawn. This may take some time. You must be patient. Do not offer to send money in exchange for illumination.

Posted by: @mzezz

My main guiding force is synchronicity

Aha! So you have discovered that subtle mechanism, which is the only true guide we have as we navigate an ever-changing reality.

Posted by: @mzezz

I’m into Jungian ideas and work at integrating my Shadow and communicating with my subconscious aspects.

Congratulations. Jung is mostly pure gold.

Posted by: @mzezz

Many here talk in terms - and seemingly a language - that I do not understand

Oh yeah, that's common even with folks who already speak the lingo fluently. It is not uncommon to see a seasoned veteran ask, "What do you mean by "gribbley?" (or any other ill-defined term that some people like to drop - without a definition).

So if you see weird words, just ask.

Posted by: @christibrany

I wouldn't say we are consistently mature however....

Some of us are. It's a by-product of ancient age and mature senility (which helps to get into the neutral zone).

 


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15/07/2020 3:11 am  

I have fond memories of London, I used to spend a lot of time in the Notting Hill gate area, and remember a pub called the Sun In Splendour. That was before they turned it into a millennial high end establishment with an organic Sunday roast. Back in the day, all they had was a single hot dog rotating for eternity under a heat lamp, probably a vestige from WWII. In the 1970s, people drank and did not think much about eating. In any event, the food from that period was atrocious. There was also a great bookshop called Atlantis next to the British museum, a pre-lashtal physical collection point for the weirdos who now inhabit this forum. 


mzezz
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15/07/2020 9:03 am  

@djedi Israel, Regardie, Bloom, Jung, Hollis, Richo, Penzack, Reed, Halevi...though I have many more where it is just a book or two, I haven't read a lot of them - yet - or not for a long time.

I tend to read in themes, ie; Lunar, tarot, Shadow...I shall take some pictures and pm you (if that's ok?) to give a broader picture.


mzezz
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15/07/2020 9:15 am  

@christibrany Haha! Consistently mature would be so boring! Play is such an important aspect of life (and one I often neglect).

And phew! tis such a lovely book, but I also have much respect for magical matters and direction and do hope my 'manoeuvre' is not met nor incurring wrath.

'Quaballah light'? I hope to get to a point where I fall back to that, I think my Quababllastic endeavours so far have only been that! not heard of dharana meditation, will look it up - and also maybe pluck up the courage to do a basic banishing ritual - I did get some bits a while back to that end...I do experience a lot of energy movements generally - especially in meditation (I do vipassana) and yoga where it is very strong - though you may be talking of differing movements...only one way to find out!

And thanks, glad to be through it, although recovery (predictably) is taking a while.


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15/07/2020 9:40 am  

@shiva yes, it feels 'different' here, can't quite put my finger on it, I just feel it.

Am so grateful for your - and everyone elses - welcome. And for the encouragement. I do hope to not trouble you all too much, and learn a lot by observing and listening (or reading on here), which has always been my way.

And I am here as part of my quest to have illusions torn away, to learn, to grow - I seek universal truths even when that means my personal truths to be destroyed. I have spent too long of my life tip toeing around, and running away from these matters (but I also hold that I wasn't ready - spiritually, physically, mentally - for a long time, due to various - more private - reasons). Very 'happy' to not have my ego pandered to - I am so bored of that in the world! There is a difference between healing and destructive pain, with my health stuff I have learnt that, and much prefer the former!

Thank you for your advice, and wise words...synchronicity is my guiding force...I often don't necessarily want to go where it leads, but it always takes me to the right place - even if I don't think it at the time. So I follow.

My relationship with Jung started at a very young age. When I was a child, one of his books 'appeared' on my bookshelves (Memories, Dreams, Reflections). To this day, I don't know where it came from, it wasn't my mothers, and I don't feel I would have been surprised to come across it if I had got it form a jumble sale / second hand (it's old). It may be the fancy of an imaginative young child, or maybe not. I still have it.

Again, as in other magikal matters, I haven't given Jung the attention / respect deserved, I hope to change that.

 


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15/07/2020 10:04 am  

@faustian ah, I also spent a lot of my mis-spent youth around Notting Hill Gate / Ladbroke Grove, and still venture over there from time to time. I remember the old Sun & Splendour (my time was the 90's to be running around).

My old flat used to be a short walk along the canal to the bottom of Ladbroke Grove. It has changed a lot (although looks like the plastic counters will be back in many shops, though they probably don't need to be bulletproof like they used to be around All Saints Rd inparticular) and continues to, the energy remains though, it is quite an interesting endeavour (when I remember or make time) to tune into city energy. Also started investigating Ley Lines more deeply last year.

Atlantis Bookshop is still there. I used to do an Atlantis / Mysteries (moved now) / Watkins little tour in my teens / early twenties. Atlantis my favourite out of the three. Great to hear there are Atlantis people on here - maybe our paths have crossed before.


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15/07/2020 7:14 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

Great to hear there are Atlantis people on here - maybe our paths have crossed before.

Please note that you have just made four posts in a row. This is called "serial posting" and it is Forbidden by the Guidelines. I mean, we all do it from time to time. You know, we forget to write something, and we go to add it to the post, but the EDIT function has a time limit, so we double-post, which is like jaywalking in Mexico, which means nobody cares.

Three posts in a row is suspicious. One might suspect the poster is a fanatic, or taking speed, or writing a blog.

When you get to 4 (Saint) Ducks in a Row, I feel compelled to remind you about the sins of serial-posting.

Otherwise, I note that we share possession of "something stronger than reiki," and I look forward to sharing tales of praeterhuman healing powers.

 


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15/07/2020 7:46 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

When you get to 4 (Saint) Ducks in a Row, I feel compelled to remind you about the sins of serial-posting.

Oh dear: Woe, woe, and woe again, mzezz, you seem to have run aground with Lashtal's unofficial nark "policeman".  Art thou justly ashamed?  Perhaps throw a double triple six in order to perfectly proceed along the proper path!

(Greetings by the way)...

Norma N Joy Conquest


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16/07/2020 2:53 am  

My memories of the Atlantis bookshop in the late 70s was that it was managed by a guy with white hair and a long white beard. He had a sidekick who was a twenty something Hippie lady with long black hair. I always remember that the centerpiece of the store was a Compendium by Dr. John Dee.

 


Shiva
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16/07/2020 3:00 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Art thou justly ashamed?

No, not at all. I, along with all other posters assembled, was/were deputized by the Moderator, Owner, and Operator of LAShTAL.com to enforce the Guidelines. You see, things had become very aggressive and confounded, and He (the Operator) cleaned it all up, and then looked to us, the last (wo)men standing and said we needed to keep the place clean. It's more janitorial than police work, but it pays well.

I don't think you were here yet, back then. Let me tell you, it was really bad (a subjective observation). Blood was flowing in the gutters that drain the servers. People were actually getting angry and saying potty-mouth things.

You may ask: What's different today?

I answer: It was much, much worse. There was an Aeon before this one we're in now. There were many more regular daily posters than now, maybe by 4x. RTC(TM) posted regularly for a while, even before he went into the book business, so he wasn't the circus barker then; he was RTC, the human being. There were guys in NZ, and Aus, and Caliphornia. A whole bunch of them dropped out around the same time. I still comm with one of them. He's cool, but when a pretender showed up, he was much more street level, maybe back dark alley, than Ignant, and much ruder than I. You could hear him SCREAMING, even without him using capital letters.

So, you see, it is my duty and obligation to gently remind folks when they are operating outside the Guidelines. I am not the only one who may give reminders. I/we have no police powers, but we know how to summon the real Policeman, if necessary.

 


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16/07/2020 3:12 am  

@shiva Thank you for bringing some law and order to this place.


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16/07/2020 5:14 am  
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Posted by: @mzezz

My main guiding force is synchronicity

The timing and title of your introduction was synchronous for me.  It was posted after and went well with my Satanic Thelemite post announcing the appearance of Comet NEOWISE.

Posted by: @mzezz

tarot (my first set was Witches...

That was one of my earlier decks. It was good to do readings with.

Posted by: @mzezz

I wish to be among like-minded people to develop confidence in my own abilities.

There may be some around that are like minded.

Posted by: @mzezz

I have never finished my copy of 'The Book of the Law' as I would then have to burn it

Or be unwise to become wise.

Posted by: @mzezz

I did reiki degrees many years ago

I did my Lvl 1 for the attunement. I felt compelled to get it at the time. That was autumn 2008 just before an experience with something called The Grue.

Posted by: @mzezz

I feel very blessed and in awe of the invisible forces that guide me.

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16/07/2020 8:09 am  

@faustian and I thank you too @shiva, my apologies to you for the multiple posts in a row.

I was trying to find how to multi-quote, but kept losing my posts, so in my impatience (and not realising the depth of the transgression) replied individually. I shall endeavour to set aside some time to figure out how to post correctly - and study forum rules more deeply.

I appreciate your bringing order to this forum and the manner in which you chided me and also look forward to hearing of your experiences with healing.

@xon - thank you for the greeting, pleased to meet you too, and yes, The Witches is great pack for readings I've found. Was reading (on here I think? or was an offshoot of a post on here) about how Thoth isn't a pack for readings, which makes sense, but was a revelation for me. I have so much to learn and am already as I read...atm, if I have a question I see if it has been answered on here already (such as why is the forum called LAShTAL) as I don't want to ask questions already answered.

I didn't managed to see the comet - even the moon has been obscured for a few days now - but in the city the glare blocks out much anyway. Dare I ask what 'The Grue' is?


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16/07/2020 8:51 am  
Posted by: @mzezz

Thoth isn't a pack for readings

I tend to agree with this in the sense that the information often goes beyond what the most people want from a reading. Even though the diviner can attenuate it feels ummm 'improper' to withhold the information when it's being transmitted from the cards.

Posted by: @mzezz

Dare I ask what 'The Grue' is?

According to one recent head case it seems to be something that is considered by them as both a delusion and yet also something so frightful and real that when there was an active challenge to face the Grue they couldn't call a bluff. 🤔

It originates from this thread: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/submissions/seed-of-ethic-a-new-codification/#post-2841

I've got my own insight into what I think it is, but am sharing very little of that information at this time.


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16/07/2020 4:27 pm  
Posted by: @xon

something so frightful and real that when there was an active challenge to face the Grue they couldn't call a bluff.

Your "active challenge" was incomprehensible, but feel free to unleash your entities upon me. Do please send your Grues, and tether them to me, O Mighty Mage With Occult Powers (will this interfere with having my head taken over by the Queen?).

mzezz: The fearsome Grue is an imaginary monster from old games which is going to eat me now. According to our Canadian Comrade, i have also been sentenced by the Kozmik Karma Police to have my head taken over by a character from one of the Wizard of Oz sequels. It will speak through me, we are told.

Welcome to the forum, BTW, @mzezz. As you can see, there are a wide variety of participants here, some more hinged than others.


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16/07/2020 7:22 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

So, you see, it is my duty and obligation to gently remind folks when they are operating outside the Guidelines.

And secret pleasure too, I wouldn't be at all surprised.  I imagine you were probably that kid in school (there's always one) who would rat on their peers and 'tattletale' to teacher at any given opportunity to do so (you might even have luxuriated in the title monitor/ prefect if your dubious actions were ever officially sanctioned!)

Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Art thou justly ashamed?

No, not at all. [...]

I wasn't actually 'talking' to you there but joshing with mzezz.  But deliberately or not, your eagerness to jump in and reply to all & sundry's posts (whether specifically aimed at you or no) made you guilty of misunderstanding the context & another faux pas.

I'm not saying what you wrote was invalid; maybe (maybe not) somebody needed to point it out, but unfortunately out of everyone else who could have done so it just happened to be (and had to be) you who did.  Sigh indeed!  Also, your ex gratia "moderation" is by no means egalitarian I'm afraid: you pick on mzezz, a newbie who may have been quite unaware of the unintentional error of his harmless enthusiastic serial posting and unaccustomed to the way we do things here on Lashtal; but instead of giving such a person a bit of allowance for this and benefit of the doubt as to whether any offence may have been intentional, instead you castigate him and take him to task publicly without even bothering to send any welcoming greetings through to the fellow! 

Why pick on mzezz, when plenty of others - somewhat bigger fry, though! (I wonder if that could have had any bearing?) - have transgressed similarly without a single word of criticism from you - for example: less than a month ago (on 20th June) in the "World ending next week" thread (sorry cannot link), ignant666 not only quadruple-posted but prefaced this by a triple post all within a single two and a half hour stretch! (nb not getting at you ig, just providing you here as a "f'r instance"!)  

Posted by: @faustian

@shiva  Thank you for bringing some law and order to this place.

So you don't think Paul does a good enough job as it is, then?  This sounds like it could be some sort of an implied rebuke to me - as if anarchy is running riot and folk are just cryin' out for some of that good ole vigilante justice... Instead of it being what I personally consider, which is that Paul's light albeit firm behind-the-scenes hands-off laisser-faire approach is just right for what's needed.  Tip-top in fact!

Spit-spot,

N Joy


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16/07/2020 7:57 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

I was trying to find how to multi-quote, but kept losing my posts, so in my impatience (and not realising the depth of the transgression) replied individually.

Yes, I detected that one-on-one pattern, which is understandable. You are not at all stupid just because the software can get some getting used to. The software is actually fairly new to us (recently upgraded), but it's really nice an smooth; the best we've had. But all of us, especially including me, had to poke around slowly to figure out a few tricks.

Posted by: @mzezz

look forward to hearing of your experiences with healing.

I am a Doctor of Oriental Medicine, a Licensed acupuncturist, a profession that I practiced and taught for . My experiences can fill a whole book. Oh, wait, that book has already been written. If you're still here in a month, I'll give you a pdf version. I offer a double your money-back guarantee on a free book that you will experience new insights.

Posted by: @mzezz

about how Thoth isn't a pack for readings

Sure it is. I used it for years in readings in professional consultations. The readability of any deck varies with the individual reader (just like anything else). However, I must admit that after using various decks, including common playing cards, I arrived at a deck that is both simple and (somehow) more accurate (for me, but also others).

81AKUf2x9nL

I attribute the ease and familiarity to the fact that these cards are the same fairy tales we were programmed in as tots.

Posted by: @mzezz

I don't want to ask questions already answered.

This is very virtuous of you. Not many folks do their homework before the lecture. But the site is vast and the search function always gives me problems. So if you enter one of the threads, just ask for any simple definitions.

Posted by: @ignant666

i have also been sentenced by the Kozmik Karma Police to have my head taken over by a character from one of the Wizard of Oz sequels.

Aha!  The cards tell me you have been cursed. Certain Shamans in the Amazon, and elsewhere of course, will help you. You must go to Amazonia, braving the covid Grue, and find a reputable Shaman. You give him the standard fee: A shotgun (I am not being sarcastic). He then does things in the other world on your behalf to reverse the curses.

These Shamans, in general, live in a constant fight with other Shamans, all of whom are making or breaking curses. It's sort of like some aspects of LAShTAL, but it's in the jungle with bugs and big cats.

Posted by: @ignant666

some more hinged than others.

I had my hinges oiled yesterday, so I won't take that as an insult or a curse neither too.

 


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17/07/2020 3:01 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

My main guiding force is synchronicity

Welcome. With your interest in Crowley and synchronicity you have chosen a title for your thread which is a lyric from the Rolling Stone song "Sympathy for the Devil."

"Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste..."

Do you see any synchronicity between the song and AC? I always felt the track was about the Satan Devil archetype but with a somewhat veiled nod to Crowley. The Stones were working with Kenneth Anger and influenced by the occult in the late 60s but have never admitted to any Crowley connection as far as I know.


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17/07/2020 8:08 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

The Stones were working with Kenneth Anger and influenced by the occult in the late 60s but have never admitted to any Crowley connection as far as I know.

It doesn't matter. Association with Anger is enough to convict anyone of Passive Crowley-Interest, which is only a minor infraction, and nobody really cares, so they got away with it. Success is your proof, right there, plain as day.

All musicians who employ a heavy bass drum in their ensemble are in League with the Devil.

 


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17/07/2020 11:31 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Your "active challenge" was incomprehensible

"incOmprEHeNSible"

 

@djedi understood the challenge just fine. You, @ignant666, like a coward, put on a front and decided to wait and see what he would do. If you really thought it was nothing you would have accepted right then and 'called the bluff'. 

 

Posted by: @ignant666

feel free to unleash your entities upon me

As mentioned in this and that thread at the time, the Grue isn't my construct. You had your chance. You timed out and failed. You act brave now knowing that that challenge won't be repeated.


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18/07/2020 12:13 am  

@xon

 

I have asked you plain questions and not even in an attempt to 'draw you out' as Shiva said. That's fine, its another way of putting it I suppose.

But you evade evade evade and you sound like such the egotistical little Kant.  It's very ...stupid of you.

I am not being emotional like Iggers gets, which is also fine, I am just showing you yourself.

It's just a shame really.  


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18/07/2020 12:17 am  
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@xon

 

I have asked you plain questions and not even in an attempt to 'draw you out' as Shiva said. That's fine, its another way of putting it I suppose.

But you evade evade evade and you sound like such the egotistical little Kant.  It's very ...stupid of you.

I am not being emotional like Iggers gets, which is also fine, I am just showing you yourself.

It's just a shame really.  

If you're referring to these two sets of questions from today

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/writer/black-magic-is-not-a-myth-agape-vel-liber-c-vel-azoth/#post-110125

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/6/#post-110131

Those were both addressed. If you still have questions regarding those then bring them up in those threads instead of derailing this one with your personal issues.


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18/07/2020 8:55 am  

@xon thank you for the explanation of 'Grue' and what you say re: Thoth, it is a very 'hard' pack, though the quotes are unfortunate in my original meaning as I love it and have gleaned much from it. It makes sense in that it goes very 'deep' somehow and presents very stark truth. I rarely use it for others as it isn't chosen (I ask them to choose a pack).

@ignant666 thank you for the welcome, glad to be here.

@jamiejbarter, I did get that you were joshing and appreciate your response...I would like to point out I felt in no way 'picked on' by @shiva and was sincerely appreciative of the interjection and pointing out of my transgression. If I had felt any way about it I am perfectly capable of pointing it out myself, so would prefer, in future, if you do not interject on my behalf, and if this isn't possible, please try to keep to questioning as opposed to statements - especially as you do not know me, my thinking etc. Which leads me onto how do you know I am a 'him'?

@shiva I regularly receive acupuncture (during this pandemic not, but can't wait for my clinic to re-open), Chinese herbs and sometimes tuina / cupping, all TCM (though I did have one acupuncturist who mixed up Japanese with it too - highly effective). They have been mainstays for me (especially acupuncture) and I owe so much to my therapists. I would love to read your experiences, so I hope I last (at least) a month! 

Glad to hear you like using Thoth too, I don't not like it / use it, but I have puzzled how many don't choose it when I love it (thought sometimes I do get an urge to use it anyway and not give the choice), the post I read about it not being a pack for divination made sense, and was just using it as an example.

And I used to read the original Grimms fairytales as a young child, as well as their sanitised counterparts (macabre as they are...still have my volume of them). Inner child work is something I am only recently starting, so that pack is of interest for me - thanks again.

@elitemachinery was wondering when / if someone would spot that...have never thought of the AC connection, will have a listen. I'd find it more odd if the Stones had not delved into Crowley, but have no idea, and when I was thinking of a intro, that line just popped into my head. 

Tootle-pip.

 


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18/07/2020 10:12 am  
Posted by: @mzezz

@jamiejbarter, I did get that you were joshing and appreciate your response...I would like to point out I felt in no way 'picked on' by @shiva and was sincerely appreciative of the interjection and pointing out of my transgression.

I'm glad that you didn't feel 'got at', although the implication was clearly there to me along with the suggestion you might be acting suspiciously and were in all likelihood a bit crazed and/or an illegal substance abuser:

Posted by: @shiva

... suspicious. One might suspect the poster is a fanatic, or taking speed,

so I think you're slightly over-reacting and/or being a little bit disingenuous to say that you were "sincerely appreciative" about it!  Still, no harm done and let's all move on then.

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If I had felt any way about it I am perfectly capable of pointing it out myself,

Oh.  Well that's me told, then.  (if you were a lady, you would rather put me in mind of an ungrateful one who would deliver a feminist homily at me if I were say considerate enough to hold open a heavy door for you...)

Posted by: @mzezz

so would prefer, in future, if you do not interject on my behalf, and if this isn't possible, please try to keep to questioning as opposed to statements - especially as you do not know me, my thinking etc.

No can do, I'm afraid.  This is a forum, you see, and we can all comment/ question/ make statements about everyone else's points to anyone else as appropriate* (as Shiva often does, you may come to notice.)

Posted by: @mzezz

Which leads me onto how do you know I am a 'him'?

You're quite right, of course: and if you happen to see any of my other older posts you would know that this is normally something to which I pay close attention to detail.  It makes one a little disillusioned when others don't also, however, and so I guess I must occasionally transgress by neglect.  Sorry I couldn't get it right 100% of the time.

Posted by: @mzezz

@elitemachinery was wondering when / if someone would spot that...

I happened to notice that right away - as I imagine many others here would likewise, and on account of which I just didn't think it was necessary to comment on. (* See what I mean here?)

Welcome to the octagon hurlyburly:

N Joy


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18/07/2020 10:36 am  

@jamiejbarter, no worries, my wishes were a request, a setting of a personal boundary (I differentiate from 'personal as opposed to any other space -  in this case the 'forum' space). You're right, you don't have to respect that at all. 

A lot of the rest of your post (if not all) is incorrect, but I'm really not going to waste any more of mine - or yours - time pointing it all out - I don't see the point, as clearly demonstrated I won't be heard (or read in this case!). I'm not here for that and this has all got way too personal way too early for me, so I'll leave you to your opinions of me. 

And no need to apologise for the gender confusion, I found it quite amusing more than anything else, so no harm done.


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18/07/2020 10:48 am  
Posted by: @mzezz

You're right, you don't have to respect that at all. 

That was not what I was saying.

Posted by: @mzezz

A lot of the rest of your post (if not all) is incorrect, but I'm really not going to waste any more of mine - or yours - time pointing it all out - I don't see the point, as clearly demonstrated I won't be heard (or read in this case!).  

Whoa!  Hang on there, I'll have you know you can't just charge in and make this sort of statement without backing it up with some sort of evidence...  But as you're a newbie (and not because you might be a laddie lady) I'll let further remonstration pass on this occasion.

Posted by: @mzezz

I'm not here for that and this has all got way too personal way too early for me, so I'll leave you to your opinions of me. 

OK, will do then! (and with which you will doubtless reciprocate),

With all best wishes

N Joy


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18/07/2020 2:25 pm  

@jamiejbarter best wishes to you too.


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18/07/2020 2:44 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

I'm not here for that and this has all got way too personal way too early for me, so I'll leave you to your opinions of me. 

'Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game'


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18/07/2020 11:21 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

 

Do you see any synchronicity between the song and AC? I always felt the track was about the Satan Devil archetype but with a somewhat veiled nod to Crowley. The Stones were working with Kenneth Anger and influenced by the occult in the late 60s but have never admitted to any Crowley connection as far as I know.

No.nothing to do with AC, that's just someone's misinformed wet dream  It's clearly about christianity's 'The devil' who does nasty things like drives tanks for the Kaiser, kills JFK, makes war. and makes amoral child-sacrifices for the revolution (the Tsar's children).  However, generally I'd say that this was Jagger in his youthful leftist rebellious phase making a moral statement aimed at the war-mad establishment.   

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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19/07/2020 12:53 am  

@mzezz

Welcome, I'm fairly new here (6 months or so). Here's me nerdy welcoming "gift" for you:

"MZEZZ" (as a base 26 number) = 5926491 (decimal number)

5 + 9 + 2 + 649 + 1 = 666


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19/07/2020 2:27 am  
Posted by: @mzezz

thank you for the explanation of 'Grue'

You're very welcome, mzezz. Egregores are a fascinating subject. Are you familiar with them? If not, and you're interested in more general knowledge, as you can tell from his handling of the matter in the Starseed thread, djedi's Bardon mention is a good place to start.

Posted by: @mzezz

was wondering when / if someone would spot that

🤨

Maybe I am too subtle.

The thread title lyric is what synch'd to Satanic Thelemites. 😈

...just call me Lucifer ♪

Venus in the morning sky has been referred to as Lucifer.

https://earthsky.org/tonight/moon-venus-beautiful-before-sunrise

Finding Mercury is a challenge. Tomorrow morning is a great chance to find that little twinkle in the dawning light with the position of the Moon, if you're out comet watching in the morning.

One of my favourite songs with the name Lucy(Luce!) in it is from Beastie Boys. Its got a nice riff to it. The link goes to the music thread. It was locked back in early January with 2000 views, now it's getting near to 10,000 views and maybe in the Top 5 threads despite being locked for the last 7 months. There might be some posts you might like.

As you may have read there was another egregore experience that was connected to the Grue. The one that has the name V'ger. This post here from the music thread may be the first time a picture of V'ger was posted on the forum. Includes a bit more info, if you or others are interested. The second song posted is better suited for the moment.

Aleah Stanbridge's new posthumous album is amazing. It's my favourite thelemic album of the year/decade(2011-2020).  Her lyrics and music are so magical, spiritual. She was in Trees of Eternity, That Which Remains, and worked with many artists including Coph Nia on the song Lashtal Lace.The new album is mostly her demos from the mid 2000s reworked. Sacrifice is so beautiful. Features Anilah, a Canadian artist.

Posted by: @mzezz

(I ask them to choose a pack).

Crafty.

This exchange on tarot also gave me a new idea on how to use the Thoth deck in readings to help ensure the message gets through.

Have you used the Thoth for pathworking?


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19/07/2020 6:25 am  
Posted by: @dom

No.nothing to do with AC, that's just someone's misinformed wet dream  It's clearly about christianity's 'The devil'

Ok that's your opinion (stated as fact.)

I will start a thread about it as I think the subject is worthy of it's own.


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19/07/2020 6:30 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Whoa!  Hang on there, I'll have you know you can't just charge in and make this sort of statement without backing it up with some sort of evidence...

Yes he/she can. It was just done.

 


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20/07/2020 3:00 am  

@duck your numerological computations of @mzezz name would suggest that our newcomer has a Djinn like quality to him. I am still mystified on how these praeter-humans settled on base 26 - then it came to me, that is how many teeth they had...


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20/07/2020 3:30 am  
Posted by: @faustian

would suggest that our newcomer has a Djinn like quality

Nah, I think 666 is a positive number, the number of sunlight. 🙂 


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20/07/2020 3:32 am  

@duck Djinns can also have a very positive type quality to them.


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20/07/2020 8:00 am  

Don't fricken burn it, only an idiot would do that. 

Don't burn it, buy even more editions of it 😎 


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20/07/2020 9:20 am  
Posted by: @faustian

that is how many teeth they had...

I had a similar thought, but it was vertebrae.

 

 


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20/07/2020 9:40 am  

@duck thank you, that is very cool and quite synchronous as '666' has been popping up for me this last week or so. I had no idea of the numerological implications of my name when I decided on it (quite quickly).

@xon lots for me to unpick / follow up in your post, had never heard of Egregores, but do like how it rolls off tongue, so I will give it - and the rest of your post - the time it deserves (when I have it). Thanks for the info,  and no, not used Thoth for path working (have not done much - if any - path working). Will be something for me to explore, especially as I have a larger pack, for those ends, am also drawn to Cicero's GD pack (an author I am drawn to that I forgot to mention) and Wills' Magickal.

@shiva and jamiejbarter I am actually in female form, and identify as a woman just to clear that up. No problem with being mistaken for a man, as that energy was very under balanced in me for a very long time.

@duck and @faustian, I think there is very little that does not have 'positive'/'negative' to it (re: Jinn / 666), on this plane at least, and that it's how we utilise 'it'.

I have often come across 'light workers' who are positively demonic and do far more harm than good in their quest to 'do good' (and many who are lovely). Can't say I've come across any / many black arts workers so cannot form an opinion on them. Either way, Shadow issues can / will come into play whatever one's stance, and why my main Self work has been in this area.

Personally I feel drawn to a more middle way - I came across a term years ago (I think in a Crowley work) that mentioned 'Yellow Magic / Path' and I wish to seek more on this. Following either a 'black ' or 'white' path (and I did fall into that latter new-age trap for a while in my youth) is not for me - at this time at least.

@fraterihsan - no, I would never burn it. It's beautiful.


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20/07/2020 5:31 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

I am actually in female form, and identify as a woman just to clear that up.

Forgive them, as there has historically been a dearth of female posters on LAShTAL. The only regular one of whom I can think is currently banned.

I could tell from your first post that you were a woman, if it's any consolation.

Posted by: @mzezz

'Yellow Magic / Path' and I wish to seek more on this.

Then seek Chapters VI - VIII of Magick Without Tears for Gerard Aumont's essay on the so-called three schools of magick. It isn't so much about a magician's wishes, as cosmology/cosmogeny being informed by ethics and epistemics (which I think lays at the heart of another LAShTAL thread whose puzzle I've been trying to solve).


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20/07/2020 5:56 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

cosmogeny

Cosmogony, I meant. Something else you'll notice about LAShTAL, in addition to there being no PMs (which precludes your earlier wish to show me a photo of your bookshelf), is that you cannot edit a post after a certain amount of time.


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20/07/2020 6:45 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

in addition to there being no PMs

Private Messaging was removed when numerous members began to complain of their being used for spamming, scamming and shouting...

Posted by: @djedi

you cannot edit a post after a certain amount of time

15 minutes these days. Standard setting in the software we use, but I'm happy to extend it if members can agree on a limit, one that doesn't make replies subsequently appear incoherent!

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20/07/2020 7:27 pm  

@djedi - thank you for the reference and realised about no pm's post my post.

And haha, am slowly realising the lack of females here. I have no issue with it, an early career path was very male dominated as was my predilection for attending football matches - both areas now plentiful with women I'm glad to say. Maybe that will happen here too - or maybe not.


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20/07/2020 8:09 pm  
Posted by: @mzezz

Personally I feel drawn to a more middle way - I came across a term years ago (I think in a Crowley work) that mentioned 'Yellow Magic / Path' and I wish to seek more on this.

Ah, an excellent choice.

Posted by: @mzezz

am slowly realising the lack of females here.

There have been many over the years. There is an entire thread devoted to "why?" this should be.

 


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20/07/2020 8:25 pm  

There have never been more than a couple active female posters at a time.Of course there are many infrequent/drive-by posters who do not make enough of an impression for anyone to notice gender

The last two very active women (Alrah and Margaret/Peg/Pegasus) were both kinda crazy. Both got banned several times under different names. Alrah had an severe case of High Initiate Syndrome, Peg i miss, and wish she could have controlled herself enough to stay.

There was also for a while the wholly admirable @tao, who i wish would start posting again.

I hope that you will find us worth putting up with, and stick around.


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20/07/2020 10:17 pm  
Posted by: @djedi
 
Then seek Chapters VI - VIII of Magick Without Tears for Gerard Aumont's essay on the so-called three schools of magick. It isn't so much about a magician's wishes, as cosmology/cosmogeny being informed by ethics and epistemics

That first chapter is a roar. The grace of that pen! How many can even make it past the enchantment of the first of those three chapters?

If only there was a school that combined the best of the Yellow/White with Adepts who bear a shining symbol of their allegiance. Different for each Adept, yet similar enough to show alignment.

At least the Black school Adepts can be identified by their allegiance to anything related to Krishnamurti.

 


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21/07/2020 12:20 am  
Posted by: @lashtal

15 minutes these days. Standard setting in the software we use, but I'm happy to extend it if members can agree on a limit, one that doesn't make replies subsequently appear incoherent!

Please pardon me if this is an ignorant suggestion to make, as I know almost nothing of the forum software's limitations, but wouldn't a better solution be to make only the latest post in a thread editable? 


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