lots for me to unpick / follow up in your post, had never heard of Egregores, but do like how it rolls off tongue, so I will give it - and the rest of your post - the time it deserves (when I have it).
Take your time. Waiting is.
Do check out those links to the Grue in the earlier replies when you get a chance. Those are all about Egregores.
Actually, to get to the main part of the matter and you up to speed on things here's links to the key posts. Yes, they look like a lot. Most of the posts aren't very long. They'll give you the short with as little of the noise of wading through the long.
V'ger Intro(June 19):
Grue and challenge offered(June 20)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/2/#post-109205
Grue more details(June 21)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/2/#post-109231
Grue prompt for response(June 23)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/2/#post-109343
Grue Djedi dibs!(June 24)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/2/#post-109383
Grue Djedi's impressive analysis(June 25)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/3/#post-109419
Grue My response to Djedi(June 25)[note: and the two posts following]
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/3/#post-109422
V'ger Satanic Thelemites(June 25)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/3/#post-109437
V'ger known creators[according to source](June 25)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/3/#post-109465
Grue is on the loose(June 26)
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/robert-anton-wilson/the-starseed-transmissions/paged/4/#post-109505
There's some more following. That's a good spot to take a break though.
15 minutes
20 is my preferred.
wouldn't a better solution be to make only the latest post in a thread editable?
This is reasonable and prevents re-writing history.
The downside is that there's a good chance someone can post right after you, and thus seal your errors in stone forever. I hate it when that happens after I sign Farter Shiva.
There have never been more than a couple active female posters at a time.Of course there are many infrequent/drive-by posters who do not make enough of an impression for anyone to notice gender
The last two very active women (Alrah and Margaret/Peg/Pegasus) were both kinda crazy. Both got banned several times under different names. Alrah had an severe case of High Initiate Syndrome, Peg i miss, and wish she could have controlled herself enough to stay.
There was also for a while the wholly admirable @tao, who i wish would start posting again.
I hope that you will find us worth putting up with, and stick around.
Isn't Tiger female?
What about the drive-by 'I am BABALON' ladies? You also forgot Hoermahket (something like that) whose sole contribution consists of rare but repetitive warnings for new nutters about the (insert ageist comment) crew?
@all This was the 'Why do women hardly ever post here?' thread; (revive it if ye will);
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/male-dominated-forum-why-how/#post-7637
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Isn't Tiger female?
No.
What about the drive-by 'I am BABALON' ladies?
He used the word "active," which I interpreted as "regular." There certainly have been some who hung in there for awhile. But then they departed, probably due to the rowdy nature of the boys.
Ladies who proclaim Babalon simply fail to realize that almost all women have this quality (and sympathy with the Scarlet Woman). Some women have a tendency toward Isis, Nuit, or Sekhmet. I am merely speaking of what I have seen. Some women have no "inner goddess" showing through. Alas!
Some women have no "inner goddess" showing through. Alas!
Is that what you say when they don't like you?
Is that what you say when they don't like you?
Thank you for your personal aggression.
Thank you for your personal aggression
That was a plain example of an actual Universal Joke. Gotcha.
I will give you full credit for adopting as your new avatar a TV character who is most defined by being a trash-pop-culture obsessed dweeb, and a pathetic fantasist with zero social skills, in his pathetic "evil" version.
Perhaps the most honest thing you have ever posted here, and a sign of some dawning glimmers of self-awareness.
Rock that Dreamatorium son!
@xon: I will give you full credit for adopting as your new avatar a TV character who is most defined by being a trash-pop-culture obsessed dweeb, and a pathetic fantasist with zero social skills, in his pathetic "evil" version.
Perhaps the most honest thing you have ever posted here, and a sign of some dawning glimmers of self-awareness.
Rock that Dreamatorium son!
On cue arrives an actual example of aggression.
Queen!
an actual example of aggression.
Are you serious? That post counts in your mind as "an actual example of aggression"?
Your participation here mostly consists of personal attacks on me and Shiva, couched in inane gibberish. And you squeal like a pig going under a fence every time anyone gives you a bit back. What a sad whiner you are.
Would mocking your new "evil Abed" avatar be, in your view, more or less aggressive than say cursing someone to have their head possessed by "the Queen"?
sad
Trump? Is that where you learned your narrative control techniques? Deflect, project, obstruct.
Trump? Is that where you learned your narrative control techniques? Deflect, project, obstruct.
Yes, you got me- it is in fact true that Donald Trump invented the English language word "sad", and that any use of this word is a "hommage" to "The Donald".
Are you incapable of any kind of honest argument, or response? Just lies, selective quotation, and whining seem to be all you have.
Oh, and, of course, cursing folks to have their heads possessed.
And for those that read the Three Schools of Magic post. This exchange and others should serve well.
Are you serious?
Hey, wait! I thought that very same thing just before you posted it and I quoted it above. This is a verification of the KINKS IN TIME maneuver, announced by AC.
cursing someone to have their head possessed by "the Queen"?
And following it up with the same word as p parting reminder or re-emphasis. I guess we have to entertain a charge of Witchcraft from the Dark Side.
@shiva - thank you - again - and will look up the thread re: lack of women you mention.
@ignant666 I hope your are all able to put up with me too, and am enjoying - and getting much out of - my time here already, so hope I stick around too and am able to give back.
@xon - yes, MWT it is a treat to read (I hadn't for years)...and yes, if only...and thanks for the links, I am making a list of references / threads I want to explore - so much already from you (and others), I really appreciate it and I don't want to lose anything.
and yes, if only
This is a draft from 2018. There's been a few changes since then to colours, symbols, attributions, formula, shape. Part of a certain degree's work.
If you like Cabala puzzles you could try this one that no one has solved yet:
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/writer/liber-trigrammaton/#post-104224
@xon
You have a rich fantasy life.
The Grue from old videogames
V'ger from sci films and games
The Queen from Wizard of Oz
Attaining the Grade of Ademptus Major
What else?
You should create a thread on how you implemented these creations into real ritual work and what they helped you realise.
Teach us, oh Playboy Hustler.
Attaining the Grade of Ademptus Major
Is that what you've learned? Is that 6=3 or 6=7? There appears to be a common dysfunction in your clique.
implemented these creations into real ritual work and what they helped you realise.
The 'Greatest Hexagram Ceremony' based off Liber Yod, Liber Agape during the recent celestial alignment that preceded the appearance of Comet NEOWISE led to The Hitchhiker's Tether which involves Halloween's Dead Crow which is related to V'ger. As predicted celestial signs immediately appeared, NEOWISE.
You'll possibly ask "where was that?" and I'll have to reply "that you must have already read that thread since you commented on that thread with such certainty of your opinion and brought it up in this thread."
Teach us, oh
PlayboyHustler.
LAShTAL is not a teaching site. Although your desire for a real teacher is understandable considering your initiatory stagnancy and insecurity about it. You could do the Hitchhiker's Tether. Doesn't mean something will happen and doesn't mean it won't.
@xon
Is that what you've learned? Is that 6=3 or 6=7? There appears to be a common dysfunction in your clique.
Howdy,
You claimed a grade of 6=5 which if you follow the standard A.:.A.:. grade system is called Ademptus Major. You knew that right? No need to get snippy.
The 'Greatest Hexagram Ceremony'
I like how it's not a Greater Hexagram Ritual but THE Greatest. Interesting.
As predicted celestial signs immediately appeared, NEOWISE.
Immediately? All that other crap was years earlier. In the little boy and the dead crow story maybe even a decade? And you do know that comets appear fairly frequently? Right now there are more than ten visible [here ya go https://in-the-sky.org/data/comets.php ] And most people can't even see that one you mentioned with the naked eye. Not to mention the hubris involved in your seemingly saying that your Greatest Ritual caused the appearance of a comet.
You'll possibly ask "where was that?"
No, I am fine, thanks.
Although your desire for a real teacher is understandable considering your initiatory stagnancy and insecurity about it.
Now you made ME laugh out loud. I have a real teacher or Superior in my order {and no he doesn't make grand claims about causing comets to appear}, who has written some very enlightening and useful books, and other works (and no It's not Shiva, although he is a great teacher as well, if you actually Paid Attention) and have had a great learning relationship with him for about 10 years now. I fail to see any stagnancy in that. I have been quite busy after the last few initiations. these things take time, unless you just claim whatever you want.
You could do the Hitchhiker's Tether.
Oh! I am sorry I left out another fantasy of yours, playing Hitchhiker's Guide.
I forgot my towel.
I honestly was asking for a thread since you seem so enamoured of yourself and your work, so it would have been interesting to see if it had any inner coherency. You responded not in kind, but like the little snot that you seem to be. So here is my response, in the tone of antagonism you only seem to employ. Apparently we will not be graced with your show and tell.
Bummer you can't seem to write anything other than grandiose illusions and personal attacks; can't say I didn't try to draw something of substance out, though.
I propose, for threads that unravel upon a certain familiar characteristic of bickering beyond the original intent, be banished, by vote, to a virtual "Death Match" thread, a virtual octagon or rather nonagon, to which any semblance of Queensbury Rules are ditched, in favor of full on Third Chapter carnage in a new setting, where linguistic pugilism can be truly highlighted and appreciated!
Of course such a proposal might be taken to be a restriction and take away from the local flavor that seems to permeate the sauce around here...on the other hand a Death Match feature might be a promotion to such participants that they indeed can strike low and hard and thus worth examples of the fit and the strong and a healthy longing for death!
Likewise vending at the "Death Match" nonagon might go charities like the Hoor-Paar-Khrat Children's home, remember our vices o kings, and furthermore odds on these matches can be handled by appropriate bookies in London with Lashtal of course getting its sponsorship cut on all of the action, to which I wager that @Ignant666 does have the capability of holding his own in cutting off at the knees any number of pretenders, simultaneously...which is not a legal opinion upon this thread or others, but to which "Death Match Nonagon" feature, as proposed, does potential factor in full reincarnation capabilities and the full panoply of occult vocabularies employed in requisite understanding that MAAT may dawn at any second yesterday and thus the future of such assemblages might well be canceled due to impending enlightenment....
Shanti Shanti Shanti
HG
P.S. Welcome to the forum whoever you are.....93ees!
the standard A.:.A.:. grade system is called Ademptus Major.
Are you certain?
I like how it's not a Greater Hexagram Ritual but THE Greatest.
It was. What an alignment! The planets rising in succession all staying above the horizon.
Immediately?
Yes. After the Greatest Hexagram Ceremony.
No, I am fine, thanks.
Of course, your assumptions suit you better.
I have a real teacher or Superior in my order...about 10 years now.
"Ademptus"
These errors "Ademptus" and "6=3/6=7"* are like a manifestation of the cliques inability to recognize that initiation in me.
*6=3 6=7 was in another thread.
@xon
Oh my most Holy and High Adept!
I humbly beg thy forgiveness for my Typo!
*whips self*
You knew exactly what I meant. Your whole response was based on an obvious typo. What a fragile ego you have.
You really are 'something else' and it's not as great as it thinks it is.
These errors "Ademptus" and "6=3/6=7"* are like a manifestation of the cliques inability to recognize that initiation in me.
Sure, bud.
Why not just ignore me and let me talk with people that want to talk with me in a pleasant manner?
Why interrupt?
@xon
Why not just ignore me and let me talk with people that want to talk with me in a pleasant manner?
Oh poor you, leave you alone. wa.
I actually asked for a thread from you and you insulted me.
You need help.
Oh poor you, leave you alone. wa.
I actually asked for a thread from you and you insulted me.
You need help.
That's not at all what I'm doing. LOL
I'm genuinely curious what the deal is. You obviously don't like me. You're not really interested in the answers. Why talk to me?
I'm genuinely curious what the deal is. You obviously don't like me. You're not really interested in the answers. Why talk to me?
You seem personally unable to separate fondness with lust for information/curiosity.
I don't have to like a repellent insect to want to study it and it's motives, such as they are.
You seem personally unable to separate fondness with lust for information/curiosity.
I don't have to like a repellent insect to want to study it and it's motives, such as they are.
Perhaps instead of acting all surprised and hurt when you get a snippy response after starting the conversation with me with a derisive post you could take it as it comes, or maybe start the conversation from a better place and in good faith.
The way it is now it appears you're not aware of the beam in your own eye.
@xon
How was my initial request to you derisive?
You do indeed have a rich fantasy life. That's a fact.
You call yourself a hustler in your signature. That's a fact.
There are no insults there, mate.
Of course I admit I do not recognise your claim to that grade based on your behaviour, and so that last 'fantasy' of yours was a derisive sentence to YOU, but I guarantee not to others, and the post as a whole hardly was 'derisive'.
So yes, it seems we will be waiting awhile for something of substance in writing regarding your 'attainment' and subsequent workings.
So yes, it seems we will be waiting awhile for something of substance in writing regarding your 'attainment' and subsequent working
You got something. Several somethings. You just didn't like the answers because it doesn't fit with what you have built in your head of what you think I should be.
Of course I admit I do not recognise your claim to that grade based on your behaviour, and so that last 'fantasy' of yours was a derisive sentence to YOU
And that is why I made fun of Ademptus.
Maybe then the problem is your expectations. Should I live up to your expectations for some reason?
@xon
A series of barely coherent posts that are not connected together in one thread is not what I was asking for, but thank you. I read all that crap multiple times.
My response has nothing to do with how I view you or how I dislike you, it has to do with you once again not presenting detailed information or responses, but rather, once again, evading and directing to old posts.
In all this time you wasted you could have started a thread for your greatness. I guess we are done here. Good luck with your Hitch-hiking. Use protection.
No need to get snippy.
He is pulling your chains rather than explain that you inserted an extra letter in Adeptus. Since you are not claiming that grade, you are not to be punished for a typo. If I were punished for my typos, the Legend of Golgatha would seem like an old Frank'n'Stein movie.
detailed information or responses,
This isn't the place for that. This is mzezz's introduction thread.
Start a thread, maybe I'll participate. Or post in one of the other threads that already is engaged on the topic you want to know more about.
Be genuine, listen and respond to the answers.
Also..it's unlikely this type of attitude
I don't have to like a repellent insect to want to study it and it's motives, such as they are.
will foster good discussion.
Re @hadgigegenraum's typically magisterial intervention: Why, thank you kindly for the kind words as to what you assess as my prowess in the field of "linguistic pugilism" (a marvelous formulation, again typical of your prose). You and Shiva have come up with the same idea. Perhaps the local deity (Paul @lashtal, peace be upon his name) will allow us to inaugurate a Thelemic Lucha Libre Cage-Match Thread.
The foreigners, west coasters, etc who are perhaps not all that familiar with the Green Mountain State (beyond the syrup and cheese and that one Lovecraft story with the barn) may not know that it is generally accepted that there is something in the water there. That water is consumed by the descendants of a secret CIA '50s-'70s genetic warfare experiment that involved breeding rednecks with hippies (beatniks during the early phase). Our Woodchuck Comrade is most likely an example of the results. In Vermont, he is perfectly normal.
Comrade: While i adore your prose and much of its content, your politics are another story. After The Plague is over (should we both be among the living), i am going to have to pay you a visit for some serious porch arguing, and of course things that foam and strange drugs. Probably the best time to for me to head up there is summer, which in most of Vermont is the first week of August (in a good year; don't get summer every year in the Northeast Kingdom).
Apols to @mzezz for sitting on her couch arguing til all hours.
@xon
This is mzezz's introduction thread.
More evasion. Are you blind:
You should create a thread
Done Done Done
For the thread I want to start about V'ger I'm waiting for @kidneyhawk or @ad....... or @ b.a.b.s.* or @nguy* to show up before starting it.
*not sure their lashtal handles
Be genuine, listen and respond to the answers.
I see you edited your post. Don't dictate to me how to behave. And furthermore it was a genuine request, you just didn't like the tone it was couched in because it bruised your little Ego. Poor you. I'm out.
@xon
Perhaps they changed their minds.
They have until October 23rd. 22nd being the last day. So..whatever. I've done my part for the Balance.
They have until October 23rd. 22nd being the last day
I do my best to keep up here with lurking when not babbling.
Cool, man. Good to see you, @kidneyhawk.
I know you're pretty busy and appreciate you taking the time.
Are you willing to talk about V'ger?
A small addendum to any furriners or other persons intrigued by my description of the verdant glory that is Vermont, land of Comrade @hadgigegenraum, and who might be tempted to visit: it would be irresponsible of me not to note that, although Vermont is heavily dependent on tourism, it is still unfortunately true that, in some of the smaller villages, they do still from time to time kill and eat Leaf Peepers, and other Flatlanders, if they find them there after dark.
This problem is no longer nearly as widespread in the past, and the good folks in Mont Peculiar (the state capital) are doing their best to reign in this New England form of thuggee, although of course they do have to get re-elected. As is true of virtually any social problem, or anything undesirable, things are much worse in New Hampshire (apols to any offended "Live Fee Or Die"-ers, but we both know it's true).
The universal code of silence observed in these areas virtually ensures that you will be unable to find any other information about this, because it is vigorously suppressed by the Vermont Tourism Board's paramilitary squads and elite attorneys, but you guys are my pals and i had to let you know.
Are you willing to talk about V'ger?
Perhaps....what is your interest? And why do you feel it is a topic of interest to our present collection of active Lashtalians?
That second question is a stumper. The topic doesn't necessarily have to be discussed on LAShTAL. Pulling up stakes will create a vacuum but that seems it could be part of the events that need to happen. My feeling is the conversation should be public, somewhere. Paul's discretion with personal information is one of redeeming factors of this location.
The convo might help establish a new Thelemic hub. Somewhere the Black school of magick has less influence and presence. Somewhere the Medicine Wheel is welcome and can be shown openly. That for me would be a sign that the new location isn't given to racist sentiments.
To see if there are Lashalian lurkers that are interested in having the discussion here it seems fair to give 48 hours for their presence and opinion to be made known. Then I'll answer the first question here, if it's still necessary.
@xon
Somewhere the Black School are not present? Could you elaborate on that? It looks passive aggressive.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Somewhere the Black School are not present?
Somewhere the Black school of magick has less influence and presence
Could you elaborate on that?
Please read carefully before questioning. Take whatever time you need to comprehend what you're reading beforehand.
david: By "the Black School", i think he means "folks who do not take my grandiose occult claims seriously".
Interesting to learn that one can identify places not "given to racist sentiments" by the freedom to "openly" display swastikas. Good to know.
cosmology/cosmogeny being informed by ethics and epistemics
Is what I mean by Black school of magick.
The convo might help establish a new Thelemic hub.
It has often occurred to me that the Aleister Crowley Society, being at heart a 'not occult' website, does seem to intrinsically discourage discussion about the largest portion of the man's life and influence. Maybe something like a Perdurabo Society, which would give an exclusive platform to the discussion of Crowleyan/Thelemic magical theory and practice, would be a nice alternative, filtering the people who only get into Crowley for his drug abuse and sexual indiscretions. But a libertine and counter-cultural moderation, for whom the only bannable offense would be impoliteness (as I think politeness is the only thing a healthy forum needs), is necessary to the endeavor, as this has to do with the luminous evolution of man, and not the opining of man as a political animal.
(And I'll tell you now, it can't be on Discord.)
But I also have to wonder how many people would even be interested in, or could appreciate that sort of thing.
david: By "the Black School", i think he means "folks who do not take my grandiose occult claims seriously".
Interesting to learn that one can identify places not "given to racist sentiments" by the freedom to "openly" display swastikas. Good to know.
If he thinks there are 'Black Magicians' here who dispute his glorious advancements and high initiate status he could've said it directly, which is what I tried to get out of him. Tried.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline