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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 12:43 pm  

Greeting,
Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more. I look forward to participating and sharing views etc. My question would be - Why is everyone presumably so bored of Aleister Crowleys works that the forums seem to be so totally alive with discussion of, and /or items relating to Typhonian issues, and not alive to someones work to whom this site owes it's actual existence. How about we kick off a chapter by chapter discussion of Liber XXX I'll start, ?! done.
Seriously though perhaps the energy seen being released in these forums topics negatively would be more suited to vibrant discussion of the subject in question i.e. Aleister Crowley.
How presumptious of me, yes I know.
Looking forward to some hard work, good discussion and open hearted and good natured postings.


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thiebes
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12/02/2010 12:47 pm  

Funny since Liber XXX was not written by Crowley and isn't particularly Thelemic but just good advice generally ๐Ÿ˜€

How about something from Revival of Magick?


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 12:51 pm  

Many thanks for that, my initial enthusiasm has been somewhat dampened by my total stupidity, I meant Liber 333. Confound my lack of attention to detail.
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thiebes
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12/02/2010 12:56 pm  

No worries, a lot of people are under the impression that he wrote Liber XXX. Anyway Liber 333 is great! Love it.


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 1:22 pm  

Yes, a particular favourite of mine too, along with Liber Aleph, I go back to it over and over, every time the same chapters reveal more and more. Which chapters of 333 do you particularily find most, what would be the word... gratifying?


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thiebes
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12/02/2010 1:26 pm  

Lately I have been getting a lot out of chapters 58 and 86. You?


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 1:41 pm  

32 for obviously obscure reasons, and 31 although reading this chapter makes my mind twist ever so slightly. I'm not sure why.


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Michael Staley
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12/02/2010 5:53 pm  
"RemeaviThantos" wrote:
Yes, a particular favourite of mine too, along with Liber Aleph, I go back to it over and over, every time the same chapters reveal more and more. Which chapters of 333 do you particularily find most, what would be the word... gratifying?

Welcome to LAShTAL, RemeaviThantos.

Re the question you posed at the beginning of this thread, I don't think that any of us are bored with Crowley's works, but there are many other authors whose works some of us like to study and discuss too. Grant's been discussed a lot lately, but the works of others such as Spare, Bertiaux and Gurdjieff get discussed too. Moving further afield, there are also discussions on Buddhism, Taoism, etc. Crowley himself encouraged a wide range of study, such as comparative religion and mythology. So an Aleister Crowley Society that concentrated solely on Crowley would be something of an oxymoron in my view.

You mentioned Liber Aleph, and this is one of my favourite works by Crowley - probably my very favourite, if someone put a gun to my head, would be The Book of the Heart Girt with the Serpent. I also, like you, have a love of The Book of Lies. There are so many brilliant chapters there, but perhaps my favourite is 13, "Pilgrim Talk".

In my opinion, a key element in Crowley's work is non-duality, and these three works in particular are saturated with this insight. This is of course an area which connects Crowley's work with that of other traditions. I believe that Crowley is best seen in this wider perspective.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 6:59 pm  
"RemeaviThantos" wrote:
My question would be - Why is everyone presumably so bored of Aleister Crowleys works that the forums seem to be so totally alive with discussion of, and /or items relating to Typhonian issues, and not alive to someones work to whom this site owes it's actual existence.

I think it's because adversity actually often stimulates activity, growth and development, and the Typhonians have encountered adversity in the forums recently. You will note if you look at past threads that when Crowley or Thelema are attacked there is a great deal of activity and even a unification of otherwise conflicting factions that follows. Good to remember, I suppose, that attacking something might only serve to make it stronger. ๐Ÿ™‚


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 9:44 pm  

Michael,
yes chapter 13 unlucky for some and ....
a good choice.
Liber Aleph does tend to talk to you does it not, my experiences with this book have been a cradle, ahh what a father. Yes the holy books I am working back around to again on my cycle. Each buzz past enriches the soul does it not.
I heartily agree that all interests are served hear my only wish is for the discussions to be cordial and non frictious. Are wise me prone to such opinions? Surely if one disagrees vive la differance.
Looking forward to being enriched and further enlightened, argumentative outbursts aside. However much they do seem to appear as new volcanic islands bursting forth from the ocean.


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 Anonymous
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12/02/2010 9:46 pm  

Camelion,
indeed sir I concur, thus spoke Zarathustra being one of my favourite reads, ever.


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 2:26 pm  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
"RemeaviThantos" wrote:
Yes, a particular favourite of mine too, along with Liber Aleph, I go back to it over and over, every time the same chapters reveal more and more. Which chapters of 333 do you particularily find most, what would be the word... gratifying?

Welcome to LAShTAL, RemeaviThantos.

Re the question you posed at the beginning of this thread, I don't think that any of us are bored with Crowley's works, but there are many other authors whose works some of us like to study and discuss too. Grant's been discussed a lot lately, but the works of others such as Spare, Bertiaux and Gurdjieff get discussed too. Moving further afield, there are also discussions on Buddhism, Taoism, etc. Crowley himself encouraged a wide range of study, such as comparative religion and mythology. So an Aleister Crowley Society that concentrated solely on Crowley would be something of an oxymoron in my view.

You mentioned Liber Aleph, and this is one of my favourite works by Crowley - probably my very favourite, if someone put a gun to my head, would be The Book of the Heart Girt with the Serpent. I also, like you, have a love of The Book of Lies. There are so many brilliant chapters there, but perhaps my favourite is 13, "Pilgrim Talk".

In my opinion, a key element in Crowley's work is non-duality, and these three works in particular are saturated with this insight. This is of course an area which connects Crowley's work with that of other traditions. I believe that Crowley is best seen in this wider perspective.

Best wishes,

"Buttons and rosettes"
Michael.


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 5:01 pm  

Buttons and Rosettes.


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 5:40 pm  
"RemeaviThantos" wrote:
Buttons and Rosettes.

yeah, again, potentially supplemental for those so inclined, imo. ๐Ÿ™‚


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Michael Staley
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14/02/2010 6:13 pm  
"Camlion" wrote:
yeah, again, potentially supplemental for those so inclined, imo. ๐Ÿ™‚

I appreciate your point of view on this, Camlion, but in my opinion the strength and vitality of Crowley's work lies in how people coming after can pick up and develop loose ends, with which a vital and imaginative body of work that extends over fifty years is bound to teem. Going, not being.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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Lucius
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14/02/2010 6:40 pm  

Michael, that is a rather vital and well written point which you have there.
May I add that this is especially so whenever that "vital and imaginative body of work that extends over fifty years" is deeply interactive and includes both mental and physical techniques for consciousness and reality alteration. The fact that Crowley left so many loose ends is a considerable blessing for many future generations of whatever stripe of Thelemites...

As far as the Liber 333 discussion goes, I would like to suggest 60.


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 7:00 pm  

51


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 7:16 pm  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
"Camlion" wrote:
yeah, again, potentially supplemental for those so inclined, imo. ๐Ÿ™‚

I appreciate your point of view on this, Camlion, but in my opinion the strength and vitality of Crowley's work lies in how people coming after can pick up and develop loose ends, with which a vital and imaginative body of work that extends over fifty years is bound to teem. Going, not being.

Best wishes,

Michael.

Point taken, Michael. Onward and, hopefully, upward!


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 7:36 pm  

Onward, inward, outward, 31.


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 Anonymous
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14/02/2010 8:50 pm  
"thiebes" wrote:
Funny since Liber XXX was not written by Crowley and isn't particularly Thelemic but just good advice generally ๐Ÿ˜€

How about something from Revival of Magick?

I'm not quite certain as to why Liber XXX was not written by Crowley? The Index of Volume I of The Equinox clearly states: "Liber XXX (Librae) (revised, Aleister Crowley), I, 17". Furthermore, being an A.ยท.A.ยท. Publication would certainly grant it Thelemic status. Paragraph 13 seems a wee bit Thelemic to me and in relation to the entire text I find it most so.


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Lucius
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15/02/2010 8:24 am  

It seems to have been adapted (or adopted) from the Golden Dawn. Quite enjoyable & useful, nevertheless.


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 Anonymous
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15/02/2010 8:56 am  
"MichaelStaley" wrote:
Going, not being.

Indeed.

I'd also like to dangle the letter 'D' as an equal contender with 'G' for the initial letter of the above wonderful reminder of Thelemic 'first principles'.


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 Anonymous
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15/02/2010 10:40 am  

93 all

cheers Paul for sorting a new acc. for me, not sure what was up but all fine now ๐Ÿ™‚

as to the Book of lies;

2 faves

18 dewdrops - always liked it, and the idea that all of ones inheritance is within, and should be 'let rip' ๐Ÿ™‚

also 80

as a stout blackthorne is undoubtably the magickal weapon par excellence of the irish tradition, and also for its attitude to government;

'is there a government ?, then i'm agin it!'

I find that a healthy attitude to government ๐Ÿ™‚ it should be opposed on principle ๐Ÿ™‚ and tolerated - only- if it manages to convince the individual that it is usefull or vital in any specific case.

'D'ye want a clip on the jaw' is a fine response to any who would disagree ๐Ÿ™‚

davy 93/93


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 Anonymous
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15/02/2010 1:37 pm  

Hi Davy,
A man after my own heart!


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