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XON
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24/11/2019 3:00 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

XON (NOX?)

It's NOX when one's eyes are upside down.

Prefer Xon in post. XON or xon is acceptable. Anything else might create confusion with other users. When generating the name I began with suffix ON and ended up with prefix X after some deliberation.

Carrollianly speaking of upside down eyes the same could apply in a manner to the

Posted by: @shiva

Inverted pentagram.

and

Posted by: @shiva

A point-of-view

More discussion should happen. Tzaddi 41 might provide the thread. With Pegasus unhorsed it might have to wait until a new vehicle brings that element. No harm in starting maybe since that element isn't needed immediately. 

Which brings me back on topic again and unneeded elements:

Accusations of rule breaking, like claiming a user is trolling, is generally not done in thread and considered bad etiquette. While it's not so bad as to be actionable it should be discouraged for the simple facts that the accusations derail and pollute threads and it's ultimately a moderation/editor decision. If a user feels there is trolling or other then report it and leave it out of the thread and to moderation.

Posted by: @shiva

The "let him live" and "kill him" doo-dads are popular on other sites because those folks are living in a popularity contest. That's the basis of vulgar social media.

The up/down buttons were once active here on LAShTAL, and then they were removed. They should stay removed. This is not a vulgar popularity contest site.

Reactions look similar but are different than the up/down thumb. There isn't a count of negative votes, there is only a reaction tally.

They're meant as a means for participation and acknowledgement without having to make a post. An low bar way for users to dip toes into conversations and might encourage more participation in general.

While it's not about popularity there is still the concern of performative posting for reactions. Although on a forum steady in character as LAShTAL such would stand out and attract the Editor's gaze for assessment.

*Tested emoji for Display Name and they work.

 

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elitemachinery
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27/11/2019 2:27 am  

Hey @eol sometimes I have to use Google to find something on Lashtal. I noticed in the search results that there is no SEO since the upgrade. All the thread titles have disappeared and are no longer in the site headings. In the google results every thread comes back the same:

Forums Lashtal.com

I was still able to find the thread i was looking for but this makes its much more difficult for Google and your random searcher. Perhaps you are still working on it. 


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elitemachinery
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27/11/2019 3:11 am  

Title Tag that's the term...i'm sure you know what they are...they have all disappeared:

https://www.marketingterms.com/dictionary/title_tag/


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ignant666
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27/11/2019 10:03 pm  

I just made a post, edited within 30 seconds of posting, the edit vanished into the aether, and now i can't any longer edit my 6 minute old post.

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-inauguration-of-aleister-crowleys-new-aeon-of-horus/paged/7/#post-101515

Unintended, i'm sure, but reporting it so you can fix it, eol, peace be upon you!

Curiously, i have been able to make two edits now to this post.

This post was modified 2 weeks ago 2 times by ignant666

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Jamie J Barter
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28/11/2019 9:44 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

I just made a post, edited within 30 seconds of posting, the edit vanished into the aether, and now i can't any longer edit my 6 minute old post.

Yes, I found that happened too yesterday.  I didn't say anything at the time as I thought it was something the matter with my PC (which has been playing up lately), but I encountered a very similar experience.

Norma N Joy Conquest.


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Shiva
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30/11/2019 7:35 pm  

I found out why NEW REPLIES seemed hard to read. It seems that if anyone visits a thread, that thread title in the NEW REPLIES column goes BOLD. Since I visit most threads, I was already used to seeing BOLD titles. But on the morning of my alleged hallucination, every thread had been updated since my last visit, and so none were BOLDED, thus giving me the impression of smallness or dimness. Your condolences are neither required or invited.


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lashtal
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02/12/2019 9:37 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

I just made a post, edited within 30 seconds of posting, the edit vanished into the aether, and now i can't any longer edit my 6 minute old post.

Editing of posts (and deleting same) is limited to 5 minutes. What's the general consensus? Longer edit time or not? Intention, obviously, is to reduce the risk of posts being edited after a response has been posted...

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ignant666
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02/12/2019 11:26 am  

I think until the recent upgrades, there was about a half hour window to edit. Five minutes is fine, i think, it's just that the change took me by surprise.

In any case, what i (and Jamie) was complaining of was being unable to edit much less than 5 minutes after initial posting.


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XON
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02/12/2019 11:40 am  
Posted by: @lashtal

Editing of posts (and deleting same) is limited to 5 minutes. What's the general consensus? Longer edit time or not?

15 minutes minimum, if there has to be a limit. Edits began in the 5 minute window might take longer to enter and be lost. The new software's blockquote function and timestamps showing when edits were made help mitigate problems.

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Michael Staley
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02/12/2019 12:08 pm  
Posted by: @mal

15 minutes minimum, if there has to be a limit.

In my opinion, there has to be a limit; otherwise, somebody might edit their post in retrospect and make a nonsense of existing replies to that post. There is already a preview button, so that posts can be viewed before posting. I think it's fine as it is; there is always the option of making a second post to correct, clarify or add to the first post.


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XON
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02/12/2019 12:37 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

In my opinion, there has to be a limit; otherwise, somebody might edit their post in retrospect and make a nonsense of existing replies to that post. There is already a preview button, so that posts can be viewed before posting. I think it's fine as it is; there is always the option of making a second post to correct, clarify or add to the first post.

IIRC it was editing of old posts by a few posters to make themselves look better in threads after threads quietened that caused edits to be limited about a decade ago. Never found out who that was...

Blockquote does completely take care of that, if the respondent quotes in full. Generally, it's considered a common courtesy and more honest to quote in full when replying so context and important points aren't lost.

Yes, preview is great and clarifying posts are an option, but edits still occasionally need to be made.

Thinking again about the reason for the limit, I agree that a limit is needed. 15-30 min.

This post was modified 2 weeks ago by XON

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Michael Staley
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02/12/2019 1:40 pm  
Posted by: @mal

Blockquote does completely take care of that, if the respondent quotes in full. Generally, it's considered a common courtesy and more honest to quote in full when replying so context and important points aren't lost.

I haven't heard before that it's considered "common courtesy" to quote a post in full when replying. In fact, if the reply is to only one point amongst several, it is surely much better to quote only the point to which you are responding.


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XON
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02/12/2019 1:58 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley
Posted by: @mal

Blockquote does completely take care of that, if the respondent quotes in full. Generally, it's considered a common courtesy and more honest to quote in full when replying so context and important points aren't lost.

I haven't heard before that it's considered "common courtesy" to quote a post in full when replying. In fact, if the reply is to only one point amongst several, it is surely much better to quote only the point to which you are responding.

It depends on factors like the nature of the conversation, participants, and culture of the forum. Not every post needs to be quoted in full, mostly it's beneficial for when conversations are contentious to not appear like cherry picking and misrepresentation, as well as generally useful for page breaks to help readers follow the conversation.

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On a related matter, the creation of quote pyramids could become an issue if blockquotes in blockquotes are allowed. 

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XON
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02/12/2019 2:09 pm  

Speaking of page breaks, could the amount of posts per page be increased?

15 posts/page seems really low. Is there a reason?

50 is common and seems reasonable.

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lashtal
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02/12/2019 5:02 pm  
Posted by: @mal

Speaking of page breaks, could the amount of posts per page be increased?

15 posts/page seems really low. Is there a reason?

50 is common and seems reasonable.

Good idea. Increased to 50 posts per page.

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lashtal
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02/12/2019 5:04 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

I haven't heard before that it's considered "common courtesy" to quote a post in full when replying.

Agreed. That way lies madness! 🙂 I urge members to use the 'quote' function sparingly, targeting the nub of the matter.

This post was modified 2 weeks ago by lashtal

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elitemachinery
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02/12/2019 5:21 pm  
Posted by: @lashtal
Posted by: @michael-staley

I haven't heard before that it's considered "common courtesy" to quote a post in full when replying.

Agreed. That was lies madness! 🙂 I urge members to use the 'quote' function sparingly, targeting the nub of the matter.

Just testing the quote function...i been doing it by hand with mixed results...this is much better and easier....I will edit out stuff that i'm not responding to when I quote.

 

Q: How do I turn off overtype? sometimes im typing within a paragraph ive written and it types over my text...other times it doesnt...not sure how to turn it on/off


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02/12/2019 5:35 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

Just testing the quote function...i been doing it by hand with mixed results...this is much better and easier....I will edit out stuff that i'm not responding to when I quote.

Portions of a post can be highlighted and blockquoted to the reply box with the quote icon that appears below the highlighted text. Saves that editing step.

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Michael Staley
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02/12/2019 5:36 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

Just testing the quote function...i been doing it by hand with mixed results...this is much better and easier....I will edit out stuff that i'm not responding to when I quote.

If you highlight only the paragraph or chunk you want to quote, the function will quote only the highlighted material.


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Michael Staley
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02/12/2019 5:40 pm  

@mal

Great minds think alike, eh?


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frater_anubis
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10/12/2019 9:38 pm  

@lashtal

And now there's a new one, contributed by the Boleskine Foundation - many thanks.

It looks like AC is taking a constitutional in the garden of Netherwood


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frater_anubis
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10/12/2019 9:40 pm  

Lol i'm still getting used to the new forum posting software :}


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ignant666
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13/12/2019 4:56 am  

An odd thing i have noticed: in the sidebar listing of "Recent Posts", each item has a text snippet from the latest post in recently active threads.

The text snippet is the beginning of the post, unless there are block quotes in the post. If so, the text snippet is the first text following the last black quote.

Not a bit bothersome, but just worthy of pointing out.


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