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Shiva
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I have asked before (with no responses) Where can the LAShTAL Guidelines be found?

Under "Content," there is a selection laneled "Guidelines." But this only offers "Email Lashtal" and "Privacy Policy." These are not The Guidelines. 

So and thus, Where can the LAShTAL Guidelines be found?


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Carefully hidden here:

https://www.lashtal.com/guidelines/

If you just click on "Guidelines", rather than "Email Lashtal" or "Privacy Policy" you get "The Guidelines".

Has someone been being bad? i have noticed little guideline-violating recently.


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Posted by: @ignant666

If you just click on "Guidelines"

Thank you. I have verified the gesture.

Posted by: @ignant666

i have noticed little guideline-violating recently.

"The site must not be used to draw attention to online auctions under any circumstances (e.g. eBay): submissions relating to Auctions will be deleted."

 


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Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved? 


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Maybe as a new user you are caught in some sort of time-warp?

Also, sometimes posts with too many (not sure how many? five?) links get fuxxored.


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Posted by: @ignant666

Maybe as a new user you are caught in some sort of time-warp?

That would make sense. 


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Shiva
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Posted by: @damien

Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved? 

It is never safe to "assume" anything, unless you are a verified prognosticator.

However, anything can happen. I'd give it 3 days ... then redo, repost, or repeat.

Posted by: @ignant666

sometimes posts with too many (not sure how many? five?) links get fuxxored.

It used to be "more than two." But that surely has changed, because I see all kinds of posts getting away with number of links well in excess of Three.


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Posted by: @damien

Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved? 

A couple of your comments were dated from around 3 days before they actually appeared. I'd thought I'd somehow missed them when they first showed up.  The guidelines say"However, it is the current policy of LAShTAL.COM that this requirement for pre-moderation is waived unless the member demonstrates an unwillingness or inability to comply with these Guidelines."  so I assume you're not being pre-moderated. Besides your comments showing up days after being posted, I noticed that I was receiving notifications on my own comments, so maybe the site is being a little glitchy?  

Have you tried contacting the admins?


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Posted by: @katrice

the admins

There is eol who does tech things, but the only, final, and terrible (in the Jehovah sense, not the Europop sense) authority on content is our host, Paul, who rules ex cathedra landlordus.

Again, i think it was a "new poster" thing; i think everything one posts automatically goes to pre-moderation until one has 10 posts or whatever, to prevent invasion by such as the former plague of amorous Russian women (who cost us our PMs by abusing them), posts by drive-by Nazi nut-bars, etc.


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Posted by: @ignant666

who cost us our PMs by abusing them

Much-missed (private messaging, not the Russian women).


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Posted by: @ignant666

the former plague of amorous Russian women

Don't forget the Viagra(TM) ads. But I never got a vigorous Viagra ad, nor even a Russian woman offer. Maybe it's because I only rarely used the PM system and was daydreaming when the drugs and dolls were offered?


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Posted by: @shiva

But I never got a vigorous Viagra ad

Seems sort of ironic, really. If the ad is not vigorous, what does that say for the product?


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I only ever got a few, but i think it may have been more the scale of coping with these assaults as a site-wide issue that led to no more PMs.

I too miss them, both the friendly side-bar discussions, and the death threats, most often from people who would have to first get a US visa, then find an illegal gun after arriving in the USA, and then ambush and out-shoot me, to follow through on their threats.


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Posted by: @katrice

A couple of your comments were dated from around 3 days before they actually appeared. I'd thought I'd somehow missed them when they first showed up.  The guidelines say"However, it is the current policy of LAShTAL.COM that this requirement for pre-moderation is waived unless the member demonstrates an unwillingness or inability to comply with these Guidelines."  so I assume you're not being pre-moderated. Besides your comments showing up days after being posted, I noticed that I was receiving notifications on my own comments, so maybe the site is being a little glitchy?  

Have you tried contacting the admins?

I can see which comments are pending moderation. Some comments didn't seem to have been moderated at all. I agree with most that it's the 'new' thing, and I don't want to bother admin about it...yet.


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Posted by: @michael-staley

what does that say for the product?

"It produces Vigour!"


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@katrice Is not compliance essentially antithelemic? 😉 


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@ignant666 They're overthinking it. My teacher, Jad Alexander, taught us to follow our intuition. I think it mentions something about Crowley doing that in his material and iin one of the A.'.A.'. books as well. It has to do with things being hidden in plain sight and a sort of "needle in a haystack" sort of thing, or for that matter, the "language of silence" - the "soft, still voice within."

Ha! "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." 😉 


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Posted by: @daathielabaddon

@katrice Is not compliance essentially antithelemic? 😉 

For the people who think that Do What Thou Wilt means "do whatever you feel like", I suppose. 

 

That said, your point would be a good response for things like "But it's my Will to bang you!" 😉 


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Posted by: @daathielabaddon

Is not compliance essentially antithelemic?

It would depend on what rule or compulsion is involved. For example, anyone who posts here must comply with The Guidelines. Some poster feel this Guideline restriction thwarts their Will. As a further example, you have double/serial posted in a couple threads this morning. These were only "double posts," and it usually takes 3 or 4 in a row to get a Warning. So I'm not Warning you, or Reminding you - I'm just pointing out how easy it is to start down the road of potential conflict

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"But it's my Will to bang you!"

Oh, Goodness and the 51 Shades of Bad. The word "bang" has three (3 - known to me) approaches: Sex, Bullets, or a Fist/Club (some folks may interpret this list as 4 options, not just 3).

In any of these cases, the person being "banged" also has a Will (which may resist a "bang"). This is how arguments and wars get started.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

It would depend on what rule or compulsion is involved. For example, anyone who posts here must comply with The Guidelines. 

In which case, if you actually want to participate in the forums, following your host's rules works to your benefit. 

A little politeness can be a very practical thing.

Not to mention that automatic contrarianism is itself a form of self-restriction. And, in the world outside of one's self, frequently impractical.

 

Oh, Goodness and the 51 Shades of Bad. The word "bang" has three (3 - known to me) approaches:

I suppose they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, too.

 

In any of these cases, the person being "banged" also has a Will (which may resist a "bang").

A notion overlooked by those included to make such statements.


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Posted by: @damien

Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved? 

I've had comments with too many links or photos get sent to moderation in the middle of a very active conversation. Consequently I split up the post and re sent the original longer post in parts.

Everything was fine until a year later my moderated post(s) were approved and bumped a long dead thread to the top of the front page.

Naturally I was confused and wondering who hacked my account. It took me a few minutes to figure out it was simply an old post that was only recently approved and posted.

The new settings are much more liberal allowing for many links and photos. But moderation can happen. Apparently the software doesn't make the moderated posts easy to see so the webmaster can sometimes not be aware of them until much later.


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Posted by: @katrice

Not to mention that automatic contrarianism is itself a form of self-restriction. And, in the world outside of one's self, frequently impractical.

It gets so complicated with all these opposites. The only solution is to enter wu-wei.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

... the webmaster can sometimes not be aware of them until much later.

What you are saying, what you have portrayed, is a scenario where God does play dice with the Universe. In the not-so-olden days, I lost some posts (permanently) when nobody got posted if they had more than two (2) links or pics ... or videos, when those appeared in players. It was then a safe and secure realm, where one actually knew one's limits (3+ links = doom).

Now this whole thread is here because I asked how to find The Guidelines, and that was easy for a dull person - once it was explained to him. But then, not long after, people started with The Guideline Violations. Small stuff. Some deliberate, some unintentional. My question is this ...

Am I going to have to take responsibility for evoking chaose because I invoked the Rules?


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Posted by: @shiva

It gets so complicated with all these opposites. The only solution is to enter wu-wei.

 

Just take everything individually as it comes, neither accepting nor rejecting out of hand.

Am I going to have to take responsibility for evoking chaose because I invoked the Rules?

Yes, yes you are, but I'm certain this has been an educational and enlightening thread for some.


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Posted by: @katrice

Yes, yes you are ...

Well, okay. But since I'm known to preach to principle, Everyone is responsible for Everything they perceive," and the fastest path involves accepting that notion, it's no big deal.


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@shiva It also states in Liber Oz that if somebody decides their Will is to be a Nazi (fascist dictator), then I can be the United States, although what's happening on the internet is more like what the British settlers did to the Native Americans. They took over all this "free" land so they could set up shop, and started putting up fences and creating rules; basically the same reason they sought independence from England: oppression. Same basic pattern, over and over again. I suppose I shall forever be the heretic in the church; defiant of various forms of totalitarianism.

The Borg? Not a fan. 🤣 


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@katrice "Just take everything individually as it comes, neither accepting nor rejecting out of hand."

Ah, then you're saying there IS a chance I can bang you! We'll meet each other halfway. 😆


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@katrice I just realized about the banging thing is that people will often reject themselves and then act like you rejected them. I've actually studied and thought about this quite a bit for various reasons, but mostly because a lot of women who were really attracted to me couldn't seem to figure out whether to "bang" me, kill me, or run. It's kind of like yin and yang or the left and right columns on the Tree of Life.

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It's also like the shield and spear parable, or as one woman told me, "I'm not making the first move." But she just did. 🤣 


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Shiva
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@daathielabaddon

Here we are on a thread about The Guidelines. It's a funny thing, but Liber OZ will not help when appealing warnings or worse.

It's even funnier, but we were just discussing "serial posting" just a while ago, and then you drop in with an example of "serialism."

But the funniest part is where you slip in the politics, which is not forbidden, but best avoided in order to keep the sight/site intact.

Anyway, we were assessing The Guidelines, which are/is responsible for virtually all account closures. This unfortunate ending is mostly brought about by what the psycho-logists call, Problems with Authority. Kee-Rist and the Twelve Acolytes! Somebody's always telling us what we have to do, plus what we're not supposed to do.

But it doesn't matter here, because The Guidelines guide us into harmony or SAC (Sudden Account Closure - it's a form of death).


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