I have asked before (with no responses) Where can the LAShTAL Guidelines be found?
Under "Content," there is a selection laneled "Guidelines." But this only offers "Email Lashtal" and "Privacy Policy." These are not The Guidelines.
So and thus, Where can the LAShTAL Guidelines be found?
Carefully hidden here:
https://www.lashtal.com/guidelines/
If you just click on "Guidelines", rather than "Email Lashtal" or "Privacy Policy" you get "The Guidelines".
Has someone been being bad? i have noticed little guideline-violating recently.
If you just click on "Guidelines"
Thank you. I have verified the gesture.
i have noticed little guideline-violating recently.
"The site must not be used to draw attention to online auctions under any circumstances (e.g. eBay): submissions relating to Auctions will be deleted."
Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved?
Maybe as a new user you are caught in some sort of time-warp?
Also, sometimes posts with too many (not sure how many? five?) links get fuxxored.
Maybe as a new user you are caught in some sort of time-warp?
That would make sense.
Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved?
It is never safe to "assume" anything, unless you are a verified prognosticator.
However, anything can happen. I'd give it 3 days ... then redo, repost, or repeat.
sometimes posts with too many (not sure how many? five?) links get fuxxored.
It used to be "more than two." But that surely has changed, because I see all kinds of posts getting away with number of links well in excess of Three.
Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved?
A couple of your comments were dated from around 3 days before they actually appeared. I'd thought I'd somehow missed them when they first showed up. The guidelines say"However, it is the current policy of LAShTAL.COM that this requirement for pre-moderation is waived unless the member demonstrates an unwillingness or inability to comply with these Guidelines." so I assume you're not being pre-moderated. Besides your comments showing up days after being posted, I noticed that I was receiving notifications on my own comments, so maybe the site is being a little glitchy?
Have you tried contacting the admins?
the admins
There is eol who does tech things, but the only, final, and terrible (in the Jehovah sense, not the Europop sense) authority on content is our host, Paul, who rules ex cathedra landlordus.
Again, i think it was a "new poster" thing; i think everything one posts automatically goes to pre-moderation until one has 10 posts or whatever, to prevent invasion by such as the former plague of amorous Russian women (who cost us our PMs by abusing them), posts by drive-by Nazi nut-bars, etc.
who cost us our PMs by abusing them
Much-missed (private messaging, not the Russian women).
the former plague of amorous Russian women
Don't forget the Viagra(TM) ads. But I never got a vigorous Viagra ad, nor even a Russian woman offer. Maybe it's because I only rarely used the PM system and was daydreaming when the drugs and dolls were offered?
But I never got a vigorous Viagra ad
Seems sort of ironic, really. If the ad is not vigorous, what does that say for the product?
I only ever got a few, but i think it may have been more the scale of coping with these assaults as a site-wide issue that led to no more PMs.
I too miss them, both the friendly side-bar discussions, and the death threats, most often from people who would have to first get a US visa, then find an illegal gun after arriving in the USA, and then ambush and out-shoot me, to follow through on their threats.
A couple of your comments were dated from around 3 days before they actually appeared. I'd thought I'd somehow missed them when they first showed up. The guidelines say"However, it is the current policy of LAShTAL.COM that this requirement for pre-moderation is waived unless the member demonstrates an unwillingness or inability to comply with these Guidelines." so I assume you're not being pre-moderated. Besides your comments showing up days after being posted, I noticed that I was receiving notifications on my own comments, so maybe the site is being a little glitchy?
Have you tried contacting the admins?
I can see which comments are pending moderation. Some comments didn't seem to have been moderated at all. I agree with most that it's the 'new' thing, and I don't want to bother admin about it...yet.
what does that say for the product?
"It produces Vigour!"
@katrice Is not compliance essentially antithelemic? 😉
For the people who think that Do What Thou Wilt means "do whatever you feel like", I suppose.
That said, your point would be a good response for things like "But it's my Will to bang you!" 😉
Is not compliance essentially antithelemic?
It would depend on what rule or compulsion is involved. For example, anyone who posts here must comply with The Guidelines. Some poster feel this Guideline restriction thwarts their Will. As a further example, you have double/serial posted in a couple threads this morning. These were only "double posts," and it usually takes 3 or 4 in a row to get a Warning. So I'm not Warning you, or Reminding you - I'm just pointing out how easy it is to start down the road of potential conflict
"But it's my Will to bang you!"
Oh, Goodness and the 51 Shades of Bad. The word "bang" has three (3 - known to me) approaches: Sex, Bullets, or a Fist/Club (some folks may interpret this list as 4 options, not just 3).
In any of these cases, the person being "banged" also has a Will (which may resist a "bang"). This is how arguments and wars get started.
It would depend on what rule or compulsion is involved. For example, anyone who posts here must comply with The Guidelines.
In which case, if you actually want to participate in the forums, following your host's rules works to your benefit.
A little politeness can be a very practical thing.
Not to mention that automatic contrarianism is itself a form of self-restriction. And, in the world outside of one's self, frequently impractical.
Oh, Goodness and the 51 Shades of Bad. The word "bang" has three (3 - known to me) approaches:
I suppose they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, too.
In any of these cases, the person being "banged" also has a Will (which may resist a "bang").
A notion overlooked by those included to make such statements.
Is it then safe to assume that if a comment is under moderation for several days it's not going to get approved?
I've had comments with too many links or photos get sent to moderation in the middle of a very active conversation. Consequently I split up the post and re sent the original longer post in parts.
Everything was fine until a year later my moderated post(s) were approved and bumped a long dead thread to the top of the front page.
Naturally I was confused and wondering who hacked my account. It took me a few minutes to figure out it was simply an old post that was only recently approved and posted.
The new settings are much more liberal allowing for many links and photos. But moderation can happen. Apparently the software doesn't make the moderated posts easy to see so the webmaster can sometimes not be aware of them until much later.
Not to mention that automatic contrarianism is itself a form of self-restriction. And, in the world outside of one's self, frequently impractical.
It gets so complicated with all these opposites. The only solution is to enter wu-wei.
... the webmaster can sometimes not be aware of them until much later.
What you are saying, what you have portrayed, is a scenario where God does play dice with the Universe. In the not-so-olden days, I lost some posts (permanently) when nobody got posted if they had more than two (2) links or pics ... or videos, when those appeared in players. It was then a safe and secure realm, where one actually knew one's limits (3+ links = doom).
Now this whole thread is here because I asked how to find The Guidelines, and that was easy for a dull person - once it was explained to him. But then, not long after, people started with The Guideline Violations. Small stuff. Some deliberate, some unintentional. My question is this ...
Am I going to have to take responsibility for evoking chaose because I invoked the Rules?
It gets so complicated with all these opposites. The only solution is to enter wu-wei.
Just take everything individually as it comes, neither accepting nor rejecting out of hand.
Am I going to have to take responsibility for evoking chaose because I invoked the Rules?
Yes, yes you are, but I'm certain this has been an educational and enlightening thread for some.
Yes, yes you are ...
Well, okay. But since I'm known to preach to principle, Everyone is responsible for Everything they perceive," and the fastest path involves accepting that notion, it's no big deal.
@daathielabaddon
Here we are on a thread about The Guidelines. It's a funny thing, but Liber OZ will not help when appealing warnings or worse.
It's even funnier, but we were just discussing "serial posting" just a while ago, and then you drop in with an example of "serialism."
But the funniest part is where you slip in the politics, which is not forbidden, but best avoided in order to keep the sight/site intact.
Anyway, we were assessing The Guidelines, which are/is responsible for virtually all account closures. This unfortunate ending is mostly brought about by what the psycho-logists call, Problems with Authority. Kee-Rist and the Twelve Acolytes! Somebody's always telling us what we have to do, plus what we're not supposed to do.
But it doesn't matter here, because The Guidelines guide us into harmony or SAC (Sudden Account Closure - it's a form of death).
@daathielabaddon
Here we are on a thread about The Guidelines. It's a funny thing, but Liber OZ will not help when appealing warnings or worse.
But it doesn't matter here, because The Guidelines guide us into harmony or SAC (Sudden Account Closure - it's a form of death).
Accepting certain limitations can prove ultimately beneficial. A good mundane example would be obeying basic traffic laws like driving on the correct side of the street. A more magickal example would be following a magickal training system like the A:.A:. work or even Peter Carroll's Liber MMM. Even something so simple as delayed gratification can prove powerfully beneficial when applied properly, like as a motivator to accomplish something or simply to make the eventual gratification more potent.
And some forums and groups have rules and guidelines in order to help the them function in order to fulfill the purpose for which they were created, ideally for the benefit of the members as well as the administrators.
Accepting certain limitations can prove ultimately beneficial.
Yeah. In the I*, Saladin explains how a stiff tent pole holds up a floppy tent. In this case, it is Obedience to the Grand Master Baphomet (insert modern X* in the zone/realm under consideration) that is disguised as a pole, and the candidate's Will is compared to a wrinkled tent. But by propping the limp tent up (through obedience to BafometR), one can accomplish wonderful things.
It is up for filibustering whether this actually works out for anybody, but the idea of surrendering one's Will to another person or a rule is expressed. If this ends up in essential slavery for the candidate, then that's too bad, isn't it? If the Guru Grand Master gives orders that liberates the candidate, then that's just great, isn't it?
But who can tell the difference between Slavery and Liberation? In the case(s) of "serial posting," I can. The prohibition results in freedom from boredom by all the readers.
In the I*, Saladin explains how a stiff tent pole holds up a floppy tent.
Truly a phallocentric system through and through then?
If this ends up in essential slavery for the candidate, then that's too bad, isn't it? If the Guru Grand Master gives orders that liberates the candidate, then that's just great, isn't it?
Which is why I used the word "certain". Some limitations can help, some definitely do not, and some are just not worth the risk.
Though the examples I cited were mainly about self-imposed limitations, rather than obedience to another.
For another example, is not following de Cultu from The Book of Wisdom or Folly a case of self-imposed limitations?
But who can tell the difference between Slavery and Liberation? In the case(s) of "serial posting," I can. The prohibition results in freedom from boredom by all the readers.
An example of accepting a limitation in order to help maintain something useful.
If I post that way, there's a reason for it, and where dogma and structure gets in the way of my ability to communicate because it's unusual.
No, the problem is that you are a cuckoo, and you, and your "throbbing erection" that wants to "bang" female posters, post nutty offensive sexist crap, and did i mention that you are a crazy person?
So far, your postings here are mostly nutty egotistical posturing.
We are used to that, and mostly will just laugh and point until you go away or are banned.
One or the other will happen soon. We will miss you, and doubtless so do not deserve your wisdom.
If I post that way, there's a reason for it, and where dogma and structure gets in the way of my ability to communicate because it's unusual.
Well then, the contest has been declared. Your way versus The Guidelines. You can get away with some little things here, but if you do it enough, you will be formally alerted (not by me) or banished.
... did i mention that you are a crazy person?
Oh, Frater Ignantus, how cuttingly direct are your sentiments!
Serial posting alert. Very low-grade projection pictures alert.
If I post that way, there's a reason for it, and where dogma and structure gets in the way of my ability to communicate because it's unusual.
Um, ok... Account deleted. Inevitably.
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Thank you all, particularly @ignant666 and @shiva for your words on my behalf.I appreciate it. I was trying to be civil and also to not make the situation escalate but I finally lost my patience last night, sorry @lashtal !, and decided to draw him out.
Shiva, I'm also pretty sure that spanking threat wasn't necessarily "violence" , given some of his other comments to me.
De nada; as the "two elderly American druggies who run the forum", we tend to react poorly to lunatic "Adepts", and/or asshole-ism. Our late comrade combined both to an unusual degree.
Two brand-new crazy people (in a November!), plus an RTC surfacing, has to be some kind of new non-spring record.
De nada; as the "two elderly American druggies who run the forum", we tend to react poorly to lunatic "Adepts", and/or asshole-ism. Our late comrade combined both to an unusual degree.
Two brand-new crazy people (in a November!), plus an RTC surfacing, has to be some kind of new non-spring record.
I really do appreciate it.
When he started with the memes in every response I had a better idea of what we were dealing with.
There has been an influx of crazy lately. At least RTC is interesting, though.
... and decided to draw him out.
"Let the woman be girt with a Sword ..."
At least RTC is interesting, though.
RTC, like myself and others hereabouts, can be described as neurotic. That is, our manifestations either irritate or amuse the "normal" people - of which there are none that I know of. So where does that leave us?
These other drive-by, pop-up posers are easily labeled as psychotic - because they are dangerous to the continual harmony among us neurotics. And, of course, they are dangerous to themselves - suicidal, in fact, as demonstrated so recently.
an influx of crazy lately.
Wait til spring; this recent spate of nuts is nothing. As i said, it may be is an unprecedented high for late autumn though.
Every spring, like clockwork or swallows returning to Capistrano, there is an influx of nuttier-than-usual posters. I dubbed them "Spring Birds", and the label seems to have stuck to the phenomenon. I use them to guide spring planting in my garden- more reliable than the Farmer's Almanac.
Spring 2022 promises to be no different- we already have a scheduled 4/1/22 release of at least the Horus Toy® schematics, if not actual driveable Toys®.
Two brand-new crazy people (in a November!), plus an RTC surfacing, has to be some kind of new non-spring record.
Yes. All we need now is a walk-on part by the V. H. Frater 8=3 Himself, and then surely our cup shall runneth over, and then some.
I think he has vanished into the City of the Pyramids. He very seldom posts to even the reddit Thelema forum anymore, and seems mostly interested in TV shows and US politics these days.
But surely as an 8=3 and a PhD, he is entitled to be addressed as S.'. H.'., and not an mere V.'. H.'?
... he is entitled to be addressed as S.'. H.'., and not an mere V.'. H.'?
Whatever you think is superior and superfluous is fine.
Wait til spring; this recent spate of nuts is nothing.
Why Spring, I wonder?
Every spring, like clockwork or swallows returning to Capistrano, there is an influx of nuttier-than-usual posters. I dubbed them "Spring Birds", and the label seems to have stuck to the phenomenon. I use them to guide spring planting in my garden- more reliable than the Farmer's Almanac.
I kind of think I might have been seen as an early nut when I first joined. 😀
Spring 2022 promises to be no different- we already have a scheduled 4/1/22 release of at least the Horus Toy® schematics, if not actual driveable Toys®.
I can hardly wait.
This is ironic because it isn't entirely sarcasm, I am genuinely curious to see what comes out of this.
Yes. All we need now is a walk-on part by the V. H. Frater 8=3 Himself, and then surely our cup shall runneth over, and then some.
Dare I ask who this is?
We are all afeared to speak His name, lest He appear.
Dare I ask who this is?
Well, I'm not as superstitious as ignant, and I'm feeling uncommonly brave, so I'll risk it just this once.
The reference is to a chap called Los, who hailed (probably still does, for all I know) from the "Skeptical Thelema" school of thought. They are a group of rationalists who maintain that Crowley was a sceptic who did not "believe" in the occult at all. I think that's an absurd position to hold, but we're all entitled to our opinions even if there are more holes in them than Andy Capp's string vest.
OK, I've seen Los's posts, and he came up in conversation here recently, I just didn't recognize the alternate name.
Crowley was a sceptic who did not "believe" in the occult at all.
Which us up there in improbability with Amado's claim that Crowley wrote all of those books and led entire Thelemic organizations as a red herring to distract from his real teachings.
OK, I've seen Los's posts, and he came up in conversation here recently, I just didn't recognize the alternate name.
He regularly antagonizes posts on the Thelema subreddit.
Which us up there in improbability with Amado's claim that Crowley wrote all of those books and led entire Thelemic organizations as a red herring to distract from his real teachings.
Sounds very much in the vein of someone we all know, cough rtc cough.
Sounds very much in the vein of someone we all know, cough rtc cough.
I had been making the comparison in the recent RTC thread. And, when I started reading more about RTC, I noticed that I wasn't the only one who had picked up on that.
I had been making the comparison in the recent RTC thread. And, when I started reading more about RTC, I noticed that I wasn't the only one who had picked up on that.
I hadn't picked up on until this last go around...
I can hardly wait.
This is ironic because it isn't entirely sarcasm, I am genuinely curious to see what comes out of this.
This is why RTC drops in early. It's part of his marketing plan. If you can hardly wait (you'll have to) 'til 4/01 to see the book, I suspect you will be amazed by the overall marketing plan. It involves insulting elderly members, promoting younger members who agree with him on any one point, and we don't know yet how he will treat women girt with swords.
I'll risk it just this once.
Abaddon! The Opening of the Eye! The Cauldron boileth over, and then some.
Okay, go for it. There is no restriction against evocation in The Guidelines.
I just didn't recognize the alternate name.
Those weren't names. They were his (exalted exhausted grades and titles. You see, he assumes a lofty position and then condescends to tell us mortals where our thinking is perverted. He refers to us as "clowns" and other denigatories. He comes among us with disdain. He doesn't come here (much) any more, because hurts too much from the little pointy sticks we poke him with.
He doesn't come here (much) any more, because hurts too much from the little pointy sticks we poke him with.
I think he simply tired of casting his pearls before swine.
I think he simply tired of casting his pearls before swine.
I still wonder if Erwin died.
"Los" was an Erwinite. The Master appeared and fought with us for a spell-and then vanished. Seemingly from the Internet.
Los was not unintelligent. But was was unestablished. He embraced his "skeptical" vantage point and sought to engage with the "Superstitionists." Alas, the latter seemed to poke too many holes in his "airtight" position-and he fled.
It's not fair to kick him when he's gone (just as I'm not a fan of knocking down "straw men"). Mayhap he'll return for a go in the Octagon. There are so few of us now...why not return for a rematch?
But as I have previously remarked, Erwin DID show me something important. It was single sentence of his and a touche moment. I owe him for that.
This is why RTC drops in early. It's part of his marketing plan. If you can hardly wait (you'll have to) 'til 4/01 to see the book, I suspect you will be amazed by the overall marketing plan. It involves insulting elderly members, promoting younger members who agree with him on any one point,
I'm simply curious about what he's been hinting at. I doubt watching him be an ass will be as enlightening.
and we don't know yet how he will treat women girt with swords.
Then that will be interesting to find out. 😎
Those weren't names. They were his (exalted exhausted grades and titles. You see, he assumes a lofty position and then condescends to tell us mortals where our thinking is perverted. He refers to us as "clowns" and other denigatories. He comes among us with disdain. He doesn't come here (much) any more, because hurts too much from the little pointy sticks we poke him with.
When the people who throw vile insults and degrading remarks at everybody sign things like "8=3" after their name, I begin to doubt the validity of their claim to that grade.