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I was (no pun intended) interested in anyones opinion on the correspondences between Aivaz/Lam and the initial catalyst for the reception of the Book of the Law being the evocation of the sylphs. I find it interesting that Crowleys evocation led to contact with Aivaz whose name for me seems to reflect the nature of the initial evocation . Analysis of AVZ(phonetically) gives us: A=aleph = element air, V= Vau of YHVH corresponding to Air, Z = zain,gemini=mutable air. AVZ = 14 = 5= he and so Aquarius(air) the star, Sirius. Aiwas as minister of Har poor kraat as I understand it equates with the fool so air again. Also as it is the aeon of Horus, the son, vau we have air again. The word AL = aleph and Lamed both, air. LAM?
The sylphs being masters of the air would equate with the idea of interdimensional/astral beings sometimes experienced as 'grays,' UFO's etc. Interesting that the Great Pyramid( initiation chamber) where AC started the whole ball rolling was in line with Sirius (star, aquarius).Recently on evoking the air element before sleep I subsequently experienced these 'alien' intelligences in a semi lucid state.
Whether Aivaz and Lam are the same energy is a matter of opinion but it is interesting to compare the correspondences between the initial evocation and the nature of the intelligence that acted as vehicle for knowledge and conversation. Anyway, no great revelations here I know but I thought it might be interesting to see if anyone fancied throwing on a log or two. The above is basically a lot of hot air.
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It does seem true to me that too little attention has been paid to the preliminaries to the reception of Liber Al. What my researches do show me is that "the air" meant something quite different in the past, in both the UK and the English-speaking world elsewhere, than now. It was a place of terror, where terrible things came from (compared to the placid world above the air). Beings "out of the air" terrified Cotton Mather and thus inspired Lovecraft, for example. That Aiwass (whichever spelling is used) was minister of Hoor-Paar-Kraat does not seem incompatible, to me, with him/it being something out of the air. It is certainly worth exploring, thanks.

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Interesting question and topic... I rarely join discussions at lashtal.com but there are so many interesting ones that I think I should do it more often (try at least!)...
About four years ago I discussed with Michael Bertiaux (my friend and initiator) an idea to create a Mandala of entities that Crowley communicated with, and how that would fit with "Mandalum Instrumentum" of OTOA and Monastery of Seven Rays...
Michael suggested following correspondences:
Abuldiz, North, element of Earth
Amalantrah, West, element of Water
Lam, South, element of Air
Aiwaz, East, element of Fire
In relation to identity of Lam and Aiwaz, as suggested by my compatriot Z. M. Slavinski, Michael replied he didn't see it quite that way... in his opinion Lam and Aiwaz share elemental levels of Fire and Air, but are different on levels of Water and Earth, and he even thinks Aiwaz and Abuldiz got more in common than Aiwaz and Lam... however this is all just an idea, a suggestion.
In my personal meditation experiences Aiwaz current was more of a stellar and abstract nature... Lam was experienced as a collective identity of human race: like it would be a face of human race as a collective identity - gestalt - in the future...
Yes, inner occult experiences too often lose its flavor and look silly when conveyed into words πŸ™‚


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Just to put an alternative on this, when LAM is attributed to the deepest, unexplored areas of the outer space where human consciousness cant endure without guidance and where there is a universal vaccum how people could equate LAM with air seems strange. To me LAM is beyond any sort of correspondence/category. To me this idea is more of a throw back to Golden Dawn type obsessive labelling. I also take with a pinch of salt Bertiaux's correspondences and understanding of LAM. I dont see Bertiaux's take on LAM has authoritive.


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"zain" wrote:
I also take with a pinch of salt Bertiaux's correspondences and understanding of LAM. I dont see Bertiaux's take on LAM has authoritive.

Wonderful, as I take everything, very often, with a pinch of salt... whether it is an advantage or disadvantage, time will show.
On one hand it might be a vice of egoism πŸ™‚ on another, a sign of self-determinism and independence πŸ™‚
Whatever... talking about entities/realities like Aiwaz/Lam etc. is tricky, as borderline between our egos, our "I", and outer world, "otherness", dissolves and it is quite impossible to employ any 'objective' point of view... so, Bertiaux's or anybody else's views should be rather taken as artist's theories, or theories of art, concepts that base somebody's art the way it is... of course, I do not want to be Michael's advocate, as he might not agree with me, and he doesn't use internet, but this is how I feel it... I think art and occult are two sides of a same coin.


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nosfastus-

the initial catalyst for the reception of the Book of the Law being the evocation of the sylphs. I find it interesting that Crowleys evocation led to contact with Aivaz

Nice ideas!
I was wondering about just this idea recently.
It reminds me of Mohammed's concerns, when he recieved his revelations.(Namely he worried that it might be the Jinn who had given him the ideas.)

Fairies in general are often seen as wise, powerful and full of mischief, so its not unthinkable for me to consider that the book of the law was dictated by fairies. Its a funny conspiracy at least! πŸ˜†
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Bertiaux's or anybody else's views should be rather taken as artist's theories, or theories of art...
I think art and occult are two sides of a same coin.

I must say, I agree very much with this.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a connection between Rose Kelley, the Book of the Law, and the evocation of Sylphs?

Along the lines that Crowley was performing the evocation to show Rose the Sylphs and that the Book of Law was a result of said ritual!


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"Neither-Neither" wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a connection between Rose Kelley, the Book of the Law, and the evocation of Sylphs?

Along the lines that Crowley was performing the evocation to show Rose the Sylphs and that the Book of Law was a result of said ritual!

Yes you are right.
But this idea has not been been extensively explicated in regards to the sylphs connection to the BOTL, if any. Seemingly its been over looked, if Im wrong I would love to read what thoughts any writer has on this curious connection.


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Possibly a sylph because had to manifest through one of the four elements. Just a thought.


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 Anonymous
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This discussion brings to mind another relavent correspondance. Crowley identified his HGA (Aiwass) with shaitan(sp?)/satan who is the Prince of Air.

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