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 Anonymous
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06/09/2011 4:16 am  

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr19.htm#22

In the above mentioned website is a fairly commented edition of Crowley's Liber 418, 19th Aethyr. It's not a long read at all, but I had an important question about the Angels mentioned in these passages.

The female angel he encounters, he explains looks like the angel of the "Fourteenth Key of Rota." Then in the paragraph below another couple of observations, she explains herself as the Angel of the Fourteenth key as well as the Angel of the Eighth key.

I assume the "Keys" they are talking about are the names of the angels in the Shem ha-mephorasch, listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemhamphorasch#Angels_and_Demons

Could someone please confirm this?
Oh, and this is the same table when read backwards, gives you the names and calls of the demons in the lemegeton.

Thank you in advance for your time and attention, and any help you'd be willing to give.


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 Anonymous
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07/09/2011 3:44 pm  

I would have thought the 14th key simply referred to the Temperance tarot card (XIV) with the androgynous angel (Michael) pictured, which also is similar in appearance to Strength (VII) (feminine)? (See Rider Waite).
"And from the love of these two have I come".


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 Anonymous
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01/10/2011 11:43 am  

Thank you very much.


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mika
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05/10/2011 11:56 pm  

The fourteenth key is the path of Daleth. Keys 1-10 are the sephirot/numbers, keys 11-32 are the paths/letters.
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Key_Scale


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Walterfive
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06/10/2011 3:23 pm  

An examination of the word ROTA, and the 16 ways (IIRC) that the letters may be re-arranged, and the Hebrew words they form, can be quite instructive.


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 Anonymous
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16/10/2011 4:50 pm  

Then I am correct to assume that The 14th key our Sir Crowley was referring to was the Empress of the Tarot, that being the 14th key, (14-11=3=The Empress), because of the paths of the Sephiroth?

I guess then that the 8th key does not have a Tarot card associated with it, it being under the number 11 where the Paths start.


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arthuremerson
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16/10/2011 5:12 pm  

Study 777


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 Anonymous
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16/10/2011 6:37 pm  

Yes, I've studied it very much, but I did not know that the "Keys" we were referring to, (as in "Key Scale" in 777), were called "Keys of Rota".


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arthuremerson
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16/10/2011 6:58 pm  

It's been my understanding that the "Keys of Rota" refer to the 22 Major Arcana of the Tarot.


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 Anonymous
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17/10/2011 6:33 am  

If that was so, then the Keys mentioned in the key scale start the Keys of Rota at 11 and up?


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17/10/2011 5:53 pm  
"ThelemicMage" wrote:
Then I am correct to assume that The 14th key our Sir Crowley was referring to was the Empress of the Tarot, that being the 14th key, (14-11=3=The Empress), because of the paths of the Sephiroth?

I guess then that the 8th key does not have a Tarot card associated with it, it being under the number 11 where the Paths start.

If that was so, then the Keys mentioned in the key scale start the Keys of Rota at 11 and up?

It sounds like you didn't bother to look at the link I posted. Here's another:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/app5.htm
(Moderator: sorry and please delete if inappropriate.)

The Key Scale starts at 1. Keys 1-10 apply to the Sephirot. No, they do not have a Major Arcana associated with them. They have Minor Arcana associations. The 8th Key is related to the 8th Sephira, Hod, and the Minor Arcana 8's.


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18/10/2011 3:03 am  

There seems, in this thread, to be a little confusion between 'Key Scale' and 'Keys of Rota'. They are not the same thing.

The Key Scale, numbered 0 to 32, is an arrangement made simply for the purpose of reference, e.g. in Liber 777. These numbers only have qabalistic significance from 0 to 10. Beyond that the numbers are just references to the rows in the tables. To attribute any mystical/philosophcal significance to them is erroneous.

Crowley, in 'A Brief Essay Upon the Nature and Significance of the Magical Alphabet', writes

With regard to the numbers 11 to 32 of the Key-Scale, they are not numbers at all in our sense of the word. They have been arbitrarily assigned to the 22 paths by the compiler of the Sepher Yetzirah. There is not even any kind of harmony: nothing could be much further from the idea of 29 than the sign of Pisces.

The Keys of Rota, on tthe other hand, are the 22 Trumps of the Tarot, numbered 0 to 21. Thus the Angels of the 8th and 14th keys referred to in the vision of the 19th aethyr are characters from the cards Adjustment and Art.

(See, for instance, Crowley's footnote to this vision. Where it mentions "the Angel of the fourteenth key of Rota" he notes "She is the Angel of Binah, though in this form. For Atu XIV is Sagittarius, the house of the Huntress.")


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 Anonymous
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18/10/2011 10:03 am  

What I'm trying to ask was the direct correlation of where Crowley got the 8th key and 14th key that the Angel explained he/she was from. These have to definitely be Tarot cards, or some other reference to Angels and names of Angels that Crowley was referring to.

Like in the Enochian tablets, if one were to assign numbers to them, you could say that "Eppecai" (I just made up that name for example), was the Angel of the "5th key" of the enochian tablets.

Just trying to get the gist of where He saw these angels before, on a Tarot card, or in some Angel-name table he was invoking from/meditating with.

Thanks everyone so much for your help.

I've got another question I'm about to post in Magick that corresponds to this as well.


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 Anonymous
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18/10/2011 1:51 pm  

An essay on Number:

418 = 22 x 19, Manifestation. Hence the word manifests the 22 Keys of Rota.

Achad's wheel is useful here as well:

http://100thmonkeypress.com/biblio/achad/texts/wheel/wheel_of_the_tarot.pdf


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18/10/2011 3:15 pm  
"ThelemicMage" wrote:
Just trying to get the gist of where He saw these angels before, on a Tarot card, or in some Angel-name table he was invoking from/meditating with.

Maybe, for some of them, he had never seen them before?


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18/10/2011 8:00 pm  
"Nomad" wrote:
There seems, in this thread, to be a little confusion between 'Key Scale' and 'Keys of Rota'.
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The Keys of Rota, on tthe other hand, are the 22 Trumps of the Tarot, numbered 0 to 21. Thus the Angels of the 8th and 14th keys referred to in the vision of the 19th aethyr are characters from the cards Adjustment and Art.

(See, for instance, Crowley's footnote to this vision. Where it mentions "the Angel of the fourteenth key of Rota" he notes "She is the Angel of Binah, though in this form. For Atu XIV is Sagittarius, the house of the Huntress.")

Thanks for clearing that up. I fell for Crowley's little "key" labelling trap and correct what I previously wrote in my first response - his description that the Angel of the Aethyr "is like the Angel of the fourteenth key of Rota" is referring to the path of Art/Temperance.


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