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beorn
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05/01/2020 1:58 pm  

I am currently doing a little research about the AA (Arcanum Arcanorum) and found this article:

https://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/the-memphis-the-mizraim-and-the-arcana-ancanorum-of-the-illuminati/amp/

and am fascinated by the following passage:

"The third degree is based on couple sexual practice where the philosophical amalgam (the three elements
together) is “cooked” through the three passages called “Black Mercury”, ”White Mercury” and “Red Mercury” (three different sexual practices performed in pairs: one of sodomy, one without sperm emission and one during menstruation). A new philosophical amalgam will be obtained. Once it is swallowed it should cause the sprouting of the energetic body"

The author doesn't mention what the Black Mercury is - anyone got any ideas?

Thank you

 


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05/01/2020 4:22 pm  

Without even bothering to click through the link, isn't the answer obvious from your brief quote?

Posted by: @beorn

three passages called “Black Mercury”, ”White Mercury” and “Red Mercury” (three different sexual practices performed in pairs: one of sodomy, one without sperm emission and one during menstruation).

“Black Mercury” = sodomy

”White Mercury” = sex without sperm emission

“Red Mercury”= sex during menstruation

 


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05/01/2020 4:24 pm  

Azidonis and i were typing the same thing at the same time, so that settles it.

Nice to see you back around these parts, @Azidonis.


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05/01/2020 5:05 pm  

Having had a look at a few pages, it seems that aftermathnews is an anti-Masonic site. I wouldn't believe anything you "research" there.

When I was young, research consisted of going to libraries and bookshops, interviewing real 3D people who breathed real air, making properly sourced notes in actual paper notebooks with what we called "pens"; copying out pages and pages of text from books, magazines and newspapers.

Nowadays, "research" tends to be people following links from one completely invented story to another, all cut+pasted from some other lunatic site, while the researcher sits in a sofa scratching testicles and buttocks and occasionally masturbating.

Not YOU, @beorn, I mean some other people.


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05/01/2020 5:27 pm  
Posted by: @alan_obrien

When I was young, research consisted of going to libraries and bookshops

While I concur that due diligence must be paid when gleaning knowledge from wackos online, there is a dearth of readily available english literature on this subject which isn't written by real life non-internet wackos or the simply uninitiated.

I know Greenfield wrote a book called The Compleat Rite of Memphis, and I've seen him a good rap around here but I've heard the book isn't very good. A musician called Milko Bogard has also recently written a compleat-er book on the subject titled Of Memphis and of Misraim, the Oriental Silence of the Winged Sun: History of the Egyptian Rites of Freemasonry; its Rites, Rituals and Mysteries about which I've heard good things, and I've been meaning to read myself.

I suppose you could learn Italian and get on the mailing list for a few antiquarians, but I was raised to believe in a more immediate form of gratification.


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05/01/2020 6:01 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

Milko Bogard has also recently written a compleat-er book on the subject titled Of Memphis and of Misraim, the Oriental Silence of the Winged Sun: History of the Egyptian Rites of Freemasonry; its Rites, Rituals and Mysteries about which I've heard good things, and I've been meaning to read myself.

It contains some good information, but unfortunately it's an editing mess, and rather over-priced for a print-on-demand title.


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05/01/2020 6:04 pm  

Regarding the original Arcana Arcananorum, I suggest to look into the Ordo Aegypti of Naples, and indeed the series of Degrees called "Scala di Napoli". 

You will have to learn Italian, or at least French, to do so.


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06/01/2020 4:33 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Azidonis and i were typing the same thing at the same time, so that settles it.

I can't see any sign or trace of any recent activity by Azidonis here or anywhere else (is this perhaps a case of mysteriously disappearing posts again?)

Posted by: @ignant666

Nice to see you back around these parts, @Azidonis.

It seems to me that for the last several occasions he puts in an appearance and is duly welcomed back he then immediately disappears off again for some while.  It used to be coincidentally around the same time as Los as well (although they are certainly not one and the same person).

"Ave atque vale", or what?

NormaN Joy Conquest 


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06/01/2020 7:12 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

It seems to me that for the last several occasions he puts in an appearance and is duly welcomed back he then immediately disappears off again for some while. 

I have been in more frequent touch with him. He did not, to my mentat, make a recent post here. Ignant just got his medical card, and is being contacted by a hallucination similar to Aiwass, but saying, "Behold, it is revealed by Azidonis, the minister of rooh-part-kraut. . Az is having a swell time, confronting that dread(ed) gap in consciousness. It can take a few years you know. Well, not for Probationers who skip seven grades.

 


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06/01/2020 12:33 pm  

That is strange indeed- Azidonis posted basically the same reply as i did re "Black Mercury", which has now vanished.

Or perhaps, as has been suggested, i am losing my tiny mind.


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06/01/2020 2:18 pm  
Posted by: @beorn

I am currently doing a little research about the AA (Arcanum Arcanorum) and found this article:

I just realised this article is by Leo Zagami. 

Just to try and explain who this person is to the non-Italian audiences, imagine Alex Jones, but more deranged.


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06/01/2020 3:54 pm  

Please note that i may possibly not be losing my mind after all- my post does have a "like" by @Azidonis.

I remain certain i saw a post by him, with the exact same timestamp as my post, saying essentially the same thing as mine, but with a blockquote of the entire OP. If it was a hallucination, it was an unusually robust one. How it vanished i do not profess to know.

Perhaps he will speak up to defend my sanity, or perhaps to confirm that i am the crazy paranoid old pothead some have recently said i am. I have long had my doubts about this whole "reality" business.

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Aha- new posts have a "Delete" button- i am guessing Azidonis noticed we had said the same thing a the same time, deleted his post, and instead "liked" my post. So there, ye mockers.


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06/01/2020 4:08 pm  

I'm sorry I quoted the wrong passage. 

The puzzling passage is this:

"one comes back to the assimilation of one element only (sperm or blood) plus a third ingredient"

I was wondering about the third ingredient. 

If you have some idea I'd be thankful.


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06/01/2020 4:39 pm  

I have now read the article you linked. It seems fairly nutty, in line with what @azrael2393 says. It does not seem very reliable as a source of information, either historical or for the would-be practitioner.

My guess is that the third element/ingredient mentioned is feces.

Another possibility is female sexual fluids, but this seems to be a pretty phallo-centric/semen-centric system of sex magick, like that of the Reuss/Crowley OTO. i would include the (c)OTO but it seems evident that they don't actually have any information about the sex magick methods of the actual historical OTO that isn't available in King's books.


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06/01/2020 4:50 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

My guess is that the third element/ingredient mentioned is feces.

If so, and anything is possible with sexual magic authors, then that's a crappy way to go.

Oriental Medicine tells us that a child-person is generated from sperm, egg, and a third factor which is "a spark from heaven." It's sort of like "a chip off the old Tao-head.

I am not making this up.


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06/01/2020 4:59 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

My guess is that the third element/ingredient mentioned is feces.

Correct.


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06/01/2020 8:29 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666
Posted by: @ignant666

My guess is that the third element/ingredient mentioned is feces.

az: Correct.

Oh, crap!


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06/01/2020 9:23 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Oh, crap!

I did smile.

In other news, I found this today: http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/astrum/aa.htm

Let me say, you guys really were before your time...


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07/01/2020 12:46 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Azidonis and i were typing the same thing at the same time, so that settles it.

Nice to see you back around these parts, @Azidonis.

Thanks.  It's good to see that many of you are still around too.


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Azidonis
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07/01/2020 12:56 am  

Can I not edit my other post? Still have to get used to the new forum. Looks great though!

On topic: It constantly amazes me the crap people are willing to ingest in the pursuit of enlightenment.

 

Edit: There's an edit button that goes away after a certain amount of time.

(Think I'm getting it lol)


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07/01/2020 5:20 am  
Posted by: @azrael2393

Let me say, you guys really were before your time...

Somebody else around here said the same thing. But here's the real deal: We were right in our time, simply because there we were. The Dawn of the Age of Aquarius. Legal LSD. And our system worked. It's downfall was due to incomplete initiation on the part of the leader (where have we heard that one before?), resulting in poor judgment.

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It constantly amazes me the crap people are willing to ingest in the pursuit of enlightenment.

I think it has to do with that Hindu practice whereby one does "bad" things. "Bad" means things one would normally abhor. Like a vegetarian eating (cow) meat, or a chaste householder sponsoring any orgy. CC (crap consumption) is part of that deal. Supposedly, such things shock the cultural conditioning - which is supposed to then fall apart, and the light will shine through.

Crowley approached this in several ways: One involved talismans composed of, or adorned with, fecal matter. Another was the newspaper ad calling for freaks to have sex with.

In terms of a magical elixir, or paste, or amalgam, what little medical science I possess admits that spermos and eggos have a certain unidentifiable energy that's called "life force," or something similar. We humans are not able to synthesize it (yet). But fecal matter is made up of everything the body doesn't want or can't use. That's why we get rid of it on a regular basis. It is also loaded with the bacterium, e. coli, which can kill you. Not me, I try to avoid ingestation.


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07/01/2020 5:36 am  
Posted by: @shiva

But fecal matter is made up of everything the body doesn't want or can't use. That's why we get rid of it on a regular basis. It is also loaded with the bacterium, e. coli, which can kill you.

Surely any death resulting from a rapturous episode of coprophagy must be considered mors justi? How many devas have been born from a poisonous piece of crap?


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07/01/2020 3:36 pm  

Crowley survived the "Mandarin Meal" that was his 10=1 initiation (if memory serves).

And there is an obscure porn genre called "kaviar" (almost all German, like most, umm, extreme and peculiar porn) involving this.

Not that i am recommending eating poo-poos.


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07/01/2020 3:48 pm  
Posted by: @djedi

How many devas have been born from a poisonous piece of crap?

three?


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07/01/2020 8:17 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

three?

Buddhists and Hindus love big numbers, so more like ninety-trillion.

Khepri the scarab god, the becoming one, the morning sun (not star) was associated with scarab beetles because, as Egyptologists reckon, the mizraim saw the dung balls they rolled as being symbolic of the sun rolling 'crossed the sky. Those dung balls are used as nurseries from which baby beetles eventually emerge fully grown, and the ancient natural philosophers believed that the scarab asexually created itself by planting sperm in the dung ball -- as we learned from Plutarch in Isis and Osiris.

Sperm emitted into excrement and life emerging therefrom was seen as symbolic of the sun falling into the Duat and being reborn the next morning. Depending on our mystical interpretation of the Duat, this may offend coprophobiacs and other students of the black school, but they have their gnostic neuroses to fall back on.

Plotinus (or maybe it was Numenius, forgive me) also considered excrement evil, because he thought it the most formless kind of matter expressible in the physical world. But isn't it the magician's province and prerogative to transmute lead into gold?


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08/01/2020 12:45 am  
Posted by: @shiva

CC (crap consumption) is part of that deal. Supposedly, such things shock the cultural conditioning - which is supposed to then fall apart, and the light will shine through.

Crowley approached this in several ways: One involved talismans composed of, or adorned with, fecal matter. Another was the newspaper ad calling for freaks to have sex with.

This should be the official definition of the Black Mercury.


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