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Blood Vs. Incense


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You have my sincerest apologies, if this topic has been covered already. I searched the Forum's and didn't find the answer i was looking for.Feel free to lock it and re-direct me if this is the case..

I'm curious as to whether or not there is any ritual or practice in "crowleyian" ceremonial magick , where "blood" is a must have. Can it be substituted? I'm familiar with Book 4 and it's implications of being able to use incense in place of blood.I also hold Lon Milo's Duquettes statement of; "Its all in your head ,you just have no idea how big your head is" Close to me. So i at least halfway understand that symbolism is of the utmost importance.

But i wanted to get other peoples opinions on this "touchy" subject. I'm a novice at best, so please hold the insults if this post comes across as childish.:lol:

Anyways i'll just synthesize it down to one question to avoid confusion.

Is Blood necessary?


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James
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"93rdLibra" wrote:
Is Blood necessary?

Yes, for life! To re-phrase Lonnie, as much as I respect him, I think it more accurate to say that symbolism is all in the heart rather than the head!

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Jamie


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 Anonymous
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"James" wrote:
"93rdLibra" wrote:
Is Blood necessary?

Yes, for life! To re-phrase Lonnie, as much as I respect him, I think it more accurate to say that symbolism is all in the heart rather than the head!

Regards

Jamie

Uhm.... I'm not sure if you got what i was asking.

Is blood necessary in ritual? or can it be effectively replaced with incense,or something else?


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 Anonymous
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Interesting question and an ojective one at that. It is not a childish notion, and this can be a daunting arena to opperate within, but hey ho, cut us and we all bleed.
The answer is more subjective I feel. This is the 21st Century, and our world is very different to the world of a Medieval Magician, and of course Aleister Crowley. As you journey down your own path, you will often think, there are more questions than answers, and I often wander just how much is 'in the head. Experiment, evaluate, and know what is right for you. I would have to side with the Lon statement.


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"93rdLibra" wrote:
Is blood necessary in ritual? or can it be effectively replaced with incense,or something else?

The simple, yet relatively useless, answer is "it depends on the ritual". In general, the instruction to use blood is either due to 1)what blood symbolizes, or 2)what is involved in the experience of drawing blood. In the first case, you can use anything else that symbolizes blood for you. If using incense, "Dragon's Blood" resin is often used because of the resemblance. Mix in some Copal resin and you have your menstrual blood/semen combination. Plus, it smells fantastic.

In the second case, there's really no substitute for drawing blood if that's at the heart of the ritualistic instruction (as opposed to it simply being symbolic). The sight of blood leaving the body causes an automatic, natural physical response that can't be imitated or replaced. The act of intentionally drawing blood also cannot be replaced with something that is merely symbolic, if the act itself is what's important (eg willingly experiencing pain, facing fear, etc). However, I'm not aware of any Crowley/Thelema-based ritual that has that requirement (until you get into TOPY-land, in which case if you feel the need to avoid the physical acts involving physical fluids you may as well give up on that system entirely).


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I regularly "feed" a statue of a certain deity with my blood and sperm to animate that principle in my universe. Is it necessary? You get out of the ritual exactly what you're willing to put into it.


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"tai" wrote:
I regularly "feed" a statue of a certain deity with my blood and sperm to animate that principle in my universe. Is it necessary? You get out of the ritual exactly what you're willing to put into it.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Does your gooey, stinky statue cover you in blood and semen?!?!...

Love is the law, love under will.

-H.


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The replacement of "blood" with incense may originate from an interpretation of the Book of the Law. In the verse where the recipe for the Cakes of Light is given, it says this:

"For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood. "

And then:

"This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me."

The blood (of which there are many sources listed) is placed on the incense cake and burned to an ash. A pinch of this ash is then placed in the Cake of Light and it is this "second generation" cake which is consumed in the Mass.

There are other cases where "blood" cannot really be substituted by anything else, but experimentation would really be your guide as to whether it's a requirement or not.


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"horrificus" wrote:
Does your gooey, stinky statue cover you in blood and semen?!?!...

Excellent question. Let me answer indirectly:

1. Try to ascertain the source of stinkiness
2. Ponder whether this is a sign of something larger
3. Meditate on causal link between diet and attitude


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Hmm.. Thank you all for your input.

Call me a coward. But is drawing blood from other earthly creature's necessary? While i don't mind shedding my own blood. I get sick to my stomach when i have to slice open something else...I failed Biology,


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"93rdLibra" wrote:
Call me a coward. But is drawing blood from other earthly creature's necessary?

No, not unless you're trying to appease a blood thirsty spirit. In relation to Crowley's writings, "blood" is usually a reference to sexual fluids.


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 Anonymous
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Sacrifice of virginity.


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