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When it says to "raise thy voice in Paian, with these words IO PAN, with the signs of N.O.X." what does that mean?

Should I be saying IO PAN first and then do the N.O.X. signs or should I do them both at the same time?

If I'm supposed to say IO PAN while doing the N.O.X. signs how exactly would I go about doing so?

Also, is Mater Triumphans included in the N.O.X. signs?

I could really use the help and advice!

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ianrons
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93,

I think the Paean varies somewhat depending on who you hear it from. I learned it as
"IO Pan, IO Pan, IO Pan, Pan, Pan!" -- 3 anapaests and a spondee, with emphasis added on the last 3 Pans.

Some, whilst chanting the Paean, do a spiral dance into the centre with the signs along the way in the four quarters, but this is not the direction as given in the ritual & doesn't really work since the signs would have to be done out of order. Yes, Mater Triumphans is one of the signs of N.O.X. -- see Liber V.

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 Anonymous
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I always thought it was Puella, Puer, Vir, Mulier. Am I confused?


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 Anonymous
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If ye seek assistance in "raising your voice in paian" stand fast with feet apart while I lace up my Doctor Martin boots... 😆

Isn't Mater Triumphans Isis holding the baby Horus? I think you hold your arms as if you were suckling a baby.

For a real world example, go down to your local job centre this afternoon.


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Somewhere along the way, when trying to find a decent guide to the pronunication of the Greek words in S.R., I read instructions that gave all 5 signs of NOX whereas there are only 4 in Magick in Theory and Practice. Because this Ritual has so little instruction, it would seem that the Magician is to work it from experience gained during the practice of the LBRP. And I think it's readily customizable to personal preference, too.

I like doing all 5 signs, which I do facing East/Earth as the culminating energies of girl/boy/male/female get to have a Grand Finale in the arrival of the Child. I also prefer to literally ROAR Therion, whisper Babalon etc but its not such a good idea to explode into a gutteral scream when you've got a little one sleeping (again, remember the CHILD! LOL)-so the "inward" voice can also be used and I think perhaps even more effectively...I also intone IAO as I do the Signs themselves.

My comments aren't at all dogmatic here...just my own style in working the Ruby. It's a great, quick, and invigorating Ritual from the moment you "blow" away the Demons with air from the lungs to the closing clasp of the hands and final IAO...

Rock on, Shaitaan!

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"Somewhere along the way, when trying to find a decent guide to the pronunication of the Greek words in S.R.," this got me thinking.. At this point, there are o.k. (not always great) translations of most of the Greek that shows up in various texts, but it occurs to me that people without a "live community" to observe might have difficulty getting the pronunciation.

Now, given that I used to teach Ancient Greek in Grad school, I could probably do a decent job helping people pronounce stuff. Are there online resources for people in the form of sound files of some kind? Just wondering. It's nice to have something to contribute.

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According to my instructions you use all five NOX signs and this appears to be verified from what I recall in MT+P with Beta's notes in the back. My student has my copy of Magick right now so I can't refer to it. There are elements that are blinds in this ritual though.


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kidneyhawk
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There are elements that are blinds in this ritual though

What are these elements?


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I also prefer to literally ROAR Therion, whisper Babalon etc but its not such a good idea to explode into a gutteral scream when you've got a little one sleeping (again, remember the CHILD! LOL)

This is usually when my dog starts barking like crazy and jumps on me (quite often smacking me directly in the ungirded portion of my loins - O PHALLE 😯 ). I then banish the beast from the room and restart.

Incidentally, the Aiwass Study Group in New York will be analyzing the Star Ruby on Saturday 12 May. http://thelema.meetup.com/93 /"> http://thelema.meetup.com/93/

My comments aren't at all dogmatic here...

I guess mine were somewhat dogmatic.

John

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 Anonymous
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Hello

My understanding is that thesigns of NOX are the signs of the Puella, Puer, Vir & Mulier only. (This may not be how they are spelt not my strong point).

I believe if you read that line again it seems to suggest that both the chant and the signs are done together.

With regards to how you say it and combine it with the signs, I would suggest you attempt it in whatever fashion feels best and see what works for you. Its far too easy to get caught up in details, and worry about supposed 'right and wrongs' and forget what you should be focusing on.
As long as you do all the signs and the chant then the ritual should still have an effect whether you stand still or move about whether you do it for 10 seconds or longer.


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Concerning The Star Ruby:

I read somewere long ago some book (cannot recollect the name or author) that one of the so called blinds was the counter clockwise circle. The counter clockwise movement is definitely not a blind. It sets up the current of energy that is a retrogressive banishing of old aeon negatives. You are not only banishing in the present when you perform the ritual, you are also banishing negative currents of energy from the astral framework IN the past, so that their influence on the present is lessened each time the ritual is performed. There are other things it asserts and signifies too of course.
The only other thing in the ritual that some have a problem with is the opening (thinking it must be some mistake or joke), but it is meant to be spoken as it is written. One is free to attribute any meaning unto it.

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"kidneyhawk" wrote:

There are elements that are blinds in this ritual though

What are these elements?

Crowley already revealed most of them when he republished the ritual in MT&P. The blinds are not necessary to know and it is an A.'.A.'. teaching, though not all A.'.A.'. groups accept it, but my documents have signatures on them by Germer where the first blind is revealed. The public is just fine (the Liber 333 one is especially potent not being a Thelemic ritual AT ALL), much like the Star Sapphire (and its sex magickal elements and where they occur in the ritual) the Ruby is a ok the way it is and the secret elements are not necessary for success in the ritual.

The Nox signs are the full liturgy of them, all five. Anytime the Nox signs are given, unless noted otherwise, it is the full liturgy.


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Uranus!
You are quite right on all accounts. Some think the old GD version is more potent (it is very potent, and dynamic whilst doing it). I find The Star Ruby is just as potent if not more so once one really has it right with long practice and work. I use both.

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