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15/04/2012 9:55 pm  

Hello all,

I seem to recall reading that Crowley at one point (in NY? Aesopus Island?) had a vision that he considered fairly paradigm-changing, related in some way to Jupiter, that formed part of his progress to the degree of Magus.
I also seem to recall that what I read about it had Crowley being extremely vague.  I was wondering if there was any source where Crowley later expanded on what that experience was, what he meant, and how he related it to Jupiter?

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16/04/2012 3:10 pm  

google results

I can see how the subject would be interesting, and a fun study, but what exactly are you aiming to do with the information?


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16/04/2012 4:26 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
google results

I can see how the subject would be interesting, and a fun study, but what exactly are you aiming to do with the information?

Your google search wasn't all that helpful; but it did motivate me to find the actual quote, from the Confessions:

5.00 p.m.  The meditation of this afternoon resulted in an initiation so stupendous that I dare not hint at its Word. It is the supreme secret of a Magus, and it is so awful that I tremble even now – two hours later and more – 2.20 p.m. was the time – as I write concernin it. In a single instant I had the Key to the whole of the Chinese wisdom. In the light – momentary glimpse though it was – of this truth, all systems of religion and philosophy became absolutely puerile. Even the Law appears no more than a curious incident. I remain absolutely bewildered, blinded, knowing what blasting image lies in this shrine. It baffles me to understand how my brother Magi, knowing this, ever went on.

I had only one foreshadowing of this Vision of Jupiter – for so I may call it! – and that was a Samadhi which momentarily interrupted my concentration of Sammasati. This can only be described vaguely by saying that I obtained a reconciliation of two contraries of which “There is a discrimination between good and evil” is one.

This experience has shaken me utterly: it has been a terrible struggle to force myself to this record. The secret comes along the Path of Aleph to Chokmah. I could write it plainly in a few words of one syllable, and most people would not even notice it. But it has might to hurl every Master of the Temple into the Abyss, and to fling every adept of the Rose Cross down to the Qliphoth. No wonder One said that the Book T was in ashes in the Urn of a Magus! I can’t see at all how it will affect me at present. Even the Way of the Tao looks idiotic –  but then of course that’s what it is! So I suppose that’s it, all right. And its freedom, in an utterly fascinating and appalling sense, is beyond my fiercest conception.

I find it surprising that Crowley would never have written anything else on this subject, given his propensity to return and be unable to resist at giving hints about things he should probably have shut up about, over and over again.

The question is: why is the "Supreme Secret of a Magus" described as a "Vision of Jupiter"?

As to what I "aim to do with the information"; I have obtained some information of my own in a series of workings I've been doing, with magical squares I received through a system presented to me by my HGA (which I've termed the "second book of Abra-melin" on account of some similarities between the two forms, in fact the system I received in visions could be said to complete the Abra-melin "squares" into a complete cosmology akin to the enochian system or the qabalah).  In order to advance my understanding after obtaining the form of the squares and consecrating them, I began to do a series of invocations of the principal angels of each planetary square.
The operation of the Angel of the Jupiter square, the penultimate one and by far the most difficult up till now, but it was also perhaps the most surprising in its fecundity, and brought with it some really unusual revelations that seemed to imply that Jupiter or the archetype represented therein was not merely the planetary symbol of the sphere of Chesed, but also some kind of prelude to Chokmah which becomes essential to obtaining access to that level. Like a sort of psychopomp.

There was much more information than that, and some of it is fairly difficult to convey (there was a lot also about Jupiter as the Demiurge,  and a sort of promethean figure (a merry rebel who willingly makes form from the formlessness of the supernals), of a power of Jupiter being described as "The Enjoyment of the Creation of the World"). 

The point is, I had never much considered the significance of Jupiter in its relation to the attaining of the grade of Magus before, and now I am.  And I did recall that paragraph in the Confessions, and was wondering if there wasn't some other place, obscure, or some unpublished OTO document or something, where Crowley elaborates on that subject?

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16/04/2012 6:36 pm  
"Swamiji" wrote:
Your google search wasn't all that helpful; but it did motivate me

That was kind of the point.

Also courtesy of the google search:

"At ten minuted to ten I returned to the Aethyr. I was instantly blotted in blackness. Mine Angel whispered the secret words whereby one partakes of the Mysteries of the Masters of the Temple. Presently my eyes beheld (what first seemed shapes of rocks) the Masters, veiled in motionless majesty, shrouded in silence. Each one was exactly like the other. Then the Angel bade me understand whereto my aspiration led: all powers, all ecstasies, ended in this --- I understood. He then told me that now my name was Nemo, seated among the other silent shapes in the City of the Pyramids under the Night of Pan; those other parts of me that I had left for ever

{621}

below the Abyss must serve as a vehicle for the energies which had been created by my act. My mind and body, deprived of the ego which they had hitherto obeyed, were now free to manifest according to their nature in the world, to devote themselves to aid mankind in its evolution. In my case I was to be cast out into the Sphere of Jupiter. My mortal part was to help humanity by Jupiterian work, such a governing, teaching, creating, exhorting men to aspire to become nobler, holier, worthier, kinglier, kindlier and more generous.

Finally, "Fifty are the gates of understanding and one hundred and six are the seasons thereof, and the name of every one of them is Death." I took this to mean that Aleister Crowley would die at the end of this time. The event has shown that it referred to my attainment of the Grade of Magus, for this took place at the exact moment here predicted." - Confessions

"6. The Grade of Master of the Temple is described in Liber 418 as above indicated. There are full accounts in the Magical Diaries of the Beast 666, who was cast forth into the Heaven of Jupiter, and of Omnia in Uno, Unus in Omnibus, who was cast forth into the sphere of the Elements.

The essential Attainment is the perfect annihilation of that personality which limits and oppresses his true self.

The Magister Templi is pre-eminently the Master of Mysticism, that is, His Understanding is entirely free from internal contradiction or external obscurity; His word is to comprehend the existing Universe in accordance with His own Mind. He is the Master of the Law of Sorrow (Dukkha).

To attain the grade of Magus he must accomplish Three 235} Tasks; the renunciation of His enjoyment of the Infinite so that he may formulate Himself as the Finite; the acquisition of the practical secrets alike of initiating and governing His proposed new Universe and the identification of himself with the impersonal idea of Love. Any neophyte of the Order (or, as some say, any person soever) possesses the right to claim the Grade of Master of the Temple by taking the Oath of the Grade. It is hardly necessary to observe that to do so is the most sublime and awful responsibility which it is possible to assume, and an unworthy person who does so incurs the most terrific penalties by his presumption." - One Star in Sight

City of the Pyramids

Liber Aleph mentions Jupiter at least twice, once in Liber 333.

Maybe there is something in his journals about how he chose to approach the world after the Abyss (aka "being cast into the sphere of Jupiter"). Maybe his entire approach to life after the event was a result of the event in question, and how he chose to interpret it.

Best of luck on your continued search.


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16/04/2012 8:27 pm  
"Swamiji" wrote:
Crowley says ... "The meditation of this afternoon resulted in an initiation so stupendous that I dare not hint at its Word. It is the supreme secret of a Magus, and it is so awful that I tremble even now – two hours later and more ... In a single instant I had the Key to the whole of the Chinese wisdom. In the light – momentary glimpse though it was – of this truth, all systems of religion and philosophy became absolutely puerile. Even the Law appears no more than a curious incident. I remain absolutely bewildered, blinded, knowing what blasting image lies in this shrine. It baffles me to understand how my brother Magi, knowing this, ever went on ... This experience has shaken me utterly: it has been a terrible struggle to force myself to this record. The secret comes along the Path of Aleph to Chokmah. I could write it plainly in a few words of one syllable, and most people would not even notice it. But it has might to hurl every Master of the Temple into the Abyss, and to fling every adept of the Rose Cross down to the Qliphoth. No wonder One said that the Book T was in ashes in the Urn of a Magus! I can’t see at all how it will affect me at present. Even the Way of the Tao looks idiotic –  but then of course that’s what it is!"

Crowley refers to ZERO [the Fool]. Although I am unable to comment upon the part Jupiter plays in this final resolution, I believe that intrepid rascal, U.G. Krishamutri sums it up by saying:

"The so called self-realization is the discovery for yourself and by yourself that there is no self to discover. That will be a very shocking thing because it's going to blast every nerve, every cell, even the cells in the marrow of your bones.” [/align:38uwydpe]

This statement pretty well sums up Crowley's stated reaction. It simply renders any and all efforts expended by a Magus impotent, and it undermines all efforts at discovering a "higher self" and doing one's "Will."

From the viewpoint of an initiate, or a Magister, or even a Magus, there IS a higher self and a Will ... but from the viewpoint of a Magus, looking up (down, through) the path of the Fool, all of it (the HGA, the Soul, the Word, the Law) is illusion ... and it is blasted into absolute nothingness. "Nothing is a secret key of this Law."

Looking around for some confirmation of this heretical viewpoint, we see that Djwhal Khul (as transmitted through Alice Bailey) had this to say about what lies at the end of the "path":

It is ... "Freedom from the hold of the phenomenal life of the seven planes of our planetary Life. It is in reality a "lifting out of" the cosmic physical plane ... Immediately, he achieves a point of tension that he will continue to hold until the final initiation, the Initiation of Refusal, wherein he rejects, refuses or repudiates his entire past and enters upon his chosen path, entirely "free of recollected concepts."[/align:38uwydpe]

Nirvana is Nirvana. Nothing. Zip. Ziltch. Nada.

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"And don't you come back no more, no more, no more ... no more."[/align:38uwydpe][/move:38uwydpe]


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16/04/2012 8:37 pm  

The information in this thread, while all very fine, is still mostly related more to the degree of Magister Templi than Magus.  It still doesn't say much about what the significance of the vision of jupiter was; though yes, it may explain why Crowley was "brought back down" to Jupiter and operated mainly from that sphere for the rest of his life thereafter, that would be logical to suppose.

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16/04/2012 8:38 pm  

I'm presently in Ireland, and will check my archive when returning to the City of Jewels, but I seem to recall that there is a connection between the Amalantrah Working and Jupiter. Of course the first part of this Working preceded the Retirement on Aesopus Island, an extract from the Record of which appeared earlier in this thread, making a connection with Jupiter.


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16/04/2012 9:48 pm  
"Swamiji" wrote:
The information in this thread, while all very fine, is still mostly related more to the degree of Magister Templi than Magus.  It still doesn't say much about what the significance of the vision of jupiter was; though yes, it may explain why Crowley was "brought back down" to Jupiter and operated mainly from that sphere for the rest of his life thereafter, that would be logical to suppose.

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It's an allegory. Being, "cast into Jupiter" is an allegory for the answer to the question, "How to act after this". He determined to act in a certain way (naturally), those ways being closely related to the "qualities" of Jupiter. In other words, it is relating to the function of whatever he was after that, on the Outer, as an Expression. And he did thus, until he was free from doing so, in 1921.

A wonderful part is, while Jupiter is the sphere of Chesed (Mercy), his message was of "Force & Fire", which can also be related to Geburah, etc.


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16/04/2012 10:23 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
It's an allegory. Being, "cast into Jupiter" is an allegory for the answer to the question, "How to act after this". He determined to act in a certain way (naturally), those ways being closely related to the "qualities" of Jupiter. In other words, it is relating to the function of whatever he was after that, on the Outer, as an Expression. And he did thus, until he was free from doing so, in 1921.

A wonderful part is, while Jupiter is the sphere of Chesed (Mercy), his message was of "Force & Fire", which can also be related to Geburah, etc.

Except that if you read the text, he's not talking about Jupiter as a consequence of this "stupendous initiation", he's describing the INITIATION ITSELF as a "vision of Jupiter".  So one has to ask "in what way would a vision that is described by Crowley as "the supreme secret of the Magus" be also describable as a "vision of Jupiter - for so I may call it!""?


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17/04/2012 3:47 am  
"Swamiji" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
It's an allegory. Being, "cast into Jupiter" is an allegory for the answer to the question, "How to act after this". He determined to act in a certain way (naturally), those ways being closely related to the "qualities" of Jupiter. In other words, it is relating to the function of whatever he was after that, on the Outer, as an Expression. And he did thus, until he was free from doing so, in 1921.

A wonderful part is, while Jupiter is the sphere of Chesed (Mercy), his message was of "Force & Fire", which can also be related to Geburah, etc.

Except that if you read the text, he's not talking about Jupiter as a consequence of this "stupendous initiation", he's describing the INITIATION ITSELF as a "vision of Jupiter".  So one has to ask "in what way would a vision that is described by Crowley as "the supreme secret of the Magus" be also describable as a "vision of Jupiter - for so I may call it!""?

Because of the lens he saw it with. Not everyone will see it as "Jupiterian".


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17/04/2012 11:31 pm  

Shiva quoted : "The so called self-realization is the discovery for yourself and by yourself that there is no self to discover. That will be a very shocking thing because it's going to blast every nerve, every cell, even the cells in the marrow of your bones.”

By this do you think he means that because we are all small atmans of the brahman , that there is no self? or is there no self for a different reason?
Curious on a more betterer enlighteneder opinion 😉


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18/04/2012 12:35 am  

Śūnyatā


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18/04/2012 7:49 am  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Hi Swamiji---!

Contemplate a vision/trance--
leading to that attendant transcending, and most illuminating state,
where the immediate resultant of that transcending state,
is akin to a great  and unsurmountable Let Down of sorts.

Also the implication of the meaning of Ultimate and Total Futility,
upon all planes,
in relation to any form of perceivable past, present, or future courses of action.

Yet this above mentioned, and seemingly foreboding "realization" ...
is "The Key" to a definitely realizable Freedom;
of that most certain and sure Win  Situation, achievable...
solely by the method of "Love under Will". 
The formula of formulas!  acting upon, in, and throughout,
that which comprises the illusion of selfhood.
The only "WAY" achievable.

ALL quite effortless, as it  was in "The Beginning"
ere one "supposedly" committed--
that very first and only sin of the kind we know to be restriction.
And now? ...after seemingly great effort, All is made/realized,
to still be quite effortless, even as at "The End".
Being that these two are in no wise different, when known
for what they really are, ...or are not.

Love is the law, love under will.


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18/04/2012 4:44 pm  
"sonofthestar" wrote:
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Hi Swamiji---!

Contemplate a vision/trance--
leading to that attendant transcending, and most illuminating state,
where the immediate resultant of that transcending state,
is akin to a great  and unsurmountable Let Down of sorts.

Also the implication of the meaning of Ultimate and Total Futility,
upon all planes,
in relation to any form of perceivable past, present, or future courses of action.

Yet this above mentioned, and seemingly foreboding "realization" ...
is "The Key" to a definitely realizable Freedom;
of that most certain and sure Win  Situation, achievable...
solely by the method of "Love under Will". 
The formula of formulas!  acting upon, in, and throughout,
that which comprises the illusion of selfhood.
The only "WAY" achievable.

ALL quite effortless, as it  was in "The Beginning"
ere one "supposedly" committed--
that very first and only sin of the kind we know to be restriction.
And now? ...after seemingly great effort, All is made/realized,
to still be quite effortless, even as at "The End".
Being that these two are in no wise different, when known
for what they really are, ...or are not.

Love is the law, love under will.

93

No, sorry, that sounds nice and poetic but its clearly not it.
Crowley had been dabbling with buddhism for decades by then. The notions of annihilation, shunyata, wu wei, were none of them things that would have shocked him enough to describe it as "an initiation so stupendous that I dare not hint at its Word. It is the supreme secret of a Magus, and it is so awful that I tremble even now" and "This experience has shaken me utterly: it has been a terrible struggle to force myself to this record."

If it was "achievable by Law under Will", like you put it, surely Crowley wouldn't have noted that in light of his revelation "Even the Law appears no more than a curious incident.".

Again, the states that you are rather floridly attempting to describe are states correspondent to the grade of Magister Templi, to Enlightenment.  This experience of Crowley's was not part of him realizing that sort of thing, but the beginning of his GOING BEYOND that sort of thing, into the state of the Magus, whatever that is.

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18/04/2012 6:50 pm  
"Swamiji" wrote:
No, sorry, that sounds nice and poetic but its clearly not it.
Crowley had been dabbling with buddhism for decades by then.

I'm not so sure Crowley was a ignorant of Buddhism as people made him out to be. In fact, one could very well argue that the concept of Thelema is nothing more than a "Westernized" notion of pratityasamutpada. That is, without that pesky idea of "my HGA" that people like to throw around.

"Swamiji" wrote:
The notions of annihilation, shunyata, wu wei, were none of them things that would have shocked him enough

Sunyata as a philsophy, maybe not. Sunyata as a state of being, most certainly would have shocked him enough.

"Swamiji" wrote:
to describe it as "an initiation so stupendous that I dare not hint at its Word. It is the supreme secret of a Magus, and it is so awful that I tremble even now" and "This experience has shaken me utterly: it has been a terrible struggle to force myself to this record."

It's the Shattering, that he is talking about. That is, the Shattering of every-thing and no-thing. The process brings forth the question, "How to deal with this", as an expression. Consider the fact that functioning in material reality is a necessity for survival. And when the whole damn thing falls apart, one has to figure out how to continue surviving and functioning, either within society or apart from it.

With this comes the "Juptierian" viewpoint, being the viewpoint of Crowley's natural state. That is, the "purest" manner in which he can express not only himself, but the way he has learned how to view the universe. The Grade of the Magus is all about Expression, as noted by Crowley with his "Curse of the Magus", that "he must speak truth".

So, how is he supposed to "speak truth" when it is impossible for anyone else to experience "the truth" as it was understood by him? We each will come by it, and understand it, in our own ways. So then, even "the utmost truth" is a falsity, in that it is directly incommunicable.

"Swamiji" wrote:
If it was "achievable by Law under Will", like you put it, surely Crowley wouldn't have noted that in light of his revelation "Even the Law appears no more than a curious incident.".

A curious incident indeed. But Crowley had already put his foot in his mouth by approaching and attempting to "expound on the Law". Thus, he thought that he had to continue on that way, perceiving that if there is any purpose for him at all, it was in those Words of Expression which seemed to him the best means of approaching an understanding of the truth as it occurred. In this light, he ended up falling into the trap of every other "prophet" (or Magus - Logos) who tried to express that which cannot be expressed, by trying to "give Light to the world".

"Swamiji" wrote:
Again, the states that you are rather floridly attempting to describe are states correspondent to the grade of Magister Templi, to Enlightenment.

The Magister Templi is not an enlightened being. The Magister Templi merely understands that there is a difference between perceived modes of existence.

From One Star in Sight - "The Magister Templi is pre-eminently the Master of Mysticism, that is, His Understanding is entirely free from internal contradiction or external obscurity; His word is to comprehend the existing Universe in accordance with His own Mind. He is the Master of the Law of Sorrow (Dukkha)."

The Law of Sorrow is the Law of Change. In every Sorrow is Joy, and in every Joy is Sorrow. There is a grave difference between understanding this intellectually, and experiencing it on a total scale. It IS the doctrine of Pratityasamutpada, and leads to Sunyata. It is not Enlightenment. It is the direct perception of the gaps in consciousness in an adverse state. That is, the Magister no longer perceives a "pursuit of silence by stilling the waves of the mind", but instead learns that the mind is inherently still, and the waves themselves are arisings of mind.

Pratityasamutpada is "co-dependent arising". That is, from the waters of the still mind, all things arise at once. The thinker and the thought cannot exist without one another. Crowley called this the 0=2 equation.

The Magus is not about that. The Magus perceives this, and understands it (and functions thusly), but questions how to function within a paradigm in which everything is meaningful, without meaning, and meaningless all at the same time. The Magus has to figure out how to re-enter the stream of consciousness and continue to function should he (or she!) decide to do so.

From One Star in Sight - "The Magus is pre-eminently the Master of Magick, that is, his will is entirely free from internal diversion or external opposition; His work is to create a new Universe in accordance with His Will. He is the Master of the Law of Change (Anicca)."

Anicca, Anitya, is the Buddhist concept of impermanence. Consider impermanence along with sunyata, and pratityasamutpada. 

For another example of a Magus having to answer the question, consider that Sakyamuni did not want to teach, but did so anyway. This too, was an answer to the question posed to the Magus.

The Ipssisimus is free from such things, and U.G. Krishnamutri would often argue that the Buddha, and all of the other "Magi" were con artists, because they taught. Any teaching is a division. Meddling in the affairs of minds and lives in an effort to "bring them to enlightenment", or to "show them what cannot be shown" creates a division between one set of teaching and another. And within any division is both joy and sorrow. (Consider the phrase, "turning the wheel of the dharma", for example).

"Swamiji" wrote:
This experience of Crowley's was not part of him realizing that sort of thing, but the beginning of his GOING BEYOND that sort of thing, into the state of the Magus, whatever that is.

Like I said before - knowing it intellectually, seeing it in trance (or during astral travels or whatever), and actually living it are all different things. Knowing who the Pope is, fantasizing about what the Pope is like in person, meeting the Pope in person, and actually being the Pope are all very different things.


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18/04/2012 7:53 pm  
"christibrany" wrote:
Shiva quoted : "The so called self-realization is the discovery for yourself and by yourself that there is no self to discover. That will be a very shocking thing because it's going to blast every nerve, every cell, even the cells in the marrow of your bones.” 

By this do you think he means that because we are all small atmans of the brahman , that there is no self? or is there no self for a different reason?

Although it's very simple ("there is no self"), UGK's description needs a bit of reading by one's self (that ultimately is not). Basically, he denies the existence of an Atman - after it, in it's turn, is destroyed. Nothing is nothing, and as soon as one compares Atman to Brahma, then there is something.

He gives us only one "grace," and that is that the knower has been destroyed, and it gives a sense of "peace" and that there is the perception of a "guiding intelligence" that one can never know. He also describes how he functions in that state, in detail, and his entire, ongoing dialog matches Crowley's description of an Ipsissimus.

You can get an overview at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti

And a link to http://the-natural-state.blogspot.com/2010/07/whatever-you-do-in-pursuit-of-truth-or.html was posted a while ago by Azidonis, which is 5 webpages long. Just read the first 1/3 of the first webpage and you'll have a good overview. I have a copy of that first 1/3 - it is 23 pages (more or less) of large (14 pt) type with a few comments by myself (which don't ultimately existum). After I review my comments, you (Chris) will get a copy because you're on my list. Maybe the US Govt allows you the use of a printer and some paper? Then you can decide for yourself what UGK means.

Why this emphasis on UGK within the Aleister Crowley Society? Because AC said, "There is also an account in a certain secret document to be published when propriety permits. Here it is only said this: The Ipsissimus is wholly free from all limitations soever, existing in the nature of all things without discriminations of quantity or quality between them. He has identified Being and not-Being and Becoming, action and non-action and tendency to action, with all other such triplicities, not distinguishing between them in respect of any conditions, or between any one thing and any other thing as to whether it is with or without conditions..." in One Star in Sight.

Well, this secret document to be published when propriety permits doesn't seem to have materialized. But it does seem like UGK has presented an account of that state.

Crowley also let us down when he didn't explain his comment about Jupiter and the Magus. At least there's no evidence that he did ... thus the topic of this thread.


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18/04/2012 8:17 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
Like I said before - knowing it intellectually, seeing it in trance (or during astral travels or whatever), and actually living it are all different things. Knowing who the Pope is, fantasizing about what the Pope is like in person, meeting the Pope in person, and actually being the Pope are all very different things.

I happen to feel fairly certain that Crowley didn't just have an intellectual idea of the Magister grade, but that his experience of it was in fact genuine. And that experience is the experience of having the entire self annihilated, every drop of blood poured into Babalon's cup, etc.  Which is, I feel fairly certain, akin to at least the Theraveda concept of enlightenment.

Thus, the "grades" of Magus (and Ipsissimus) correspond to stages of what Osho used to call "Beyond Enlightenment".

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18/04/2012 10:59 pm  
"Swamiji" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
Like I said before - knowing it intellectually, seeing it in trance (or during astral travels or whatever), and actually living it are all different things. Knowing who the Pope is, fantasizing about what the Pope is like in person, meeting the Pope in person, and actually being the Pope are all very different things.

I happen to feel fairly certain that Crowley didn't just have an intellectual idea of the Magister grade, but that his experience of it was in fact genuine. And that experience is the experience of having the entire self annihilated, every drop of blood poured into Babalon's cup, etc.  Which is, I feel fairly certain, akin to at least the Theraveda concept of enlightenment.

You are mistaking the annihilation of the ego with the annihilation of the Atman. Remember, even in Liber 418 the "HGA comes back".

The self is annihilated on the way from Chokmah to Kether (the path of Aleph, the Fool).

Don't mistake the Path for the Way. The Magus is the Path. The Ipsissimus is the Way.

"Swamiji" wrote:
Thus, the "grades" of Magus (and Ipsissimus) correspond to stages of what Osho used to call "Beyond Enlightenment".

The Three Veils of Negative Existence - Ain, Ain Soph, and Ain Soph Aur.

The Theravada concept of enlightenment is the Arhant, which has no ties to samsara and will enter into parinirvana upon death. That is, totally free of self, and any conditions whatsoever.

Nirvana means "blowing out". Don't confuse this with "Nemo" (No-Man), for "Nemo comes forth from the Abyss", just as the Magus [in Crowley's case] was "cast into Jupiter". These things mean nothing to the Ipssisimus, or Tathagata (thus gone). Remember what the Buddha said to Ananda in the Surangama Sutra, "For the Buddhas, there is no Nirvana".


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 Anonymous
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19/04/2012 12:48 am  

I'll just have to say that I don't agree, and I doubt Crowley would have either.  The problem stems from an idea that is very much a pre-enlightenment way of imagining things, that enlightenment is the end point.
What my own experience has shown me is that Enlightenment is in many ways the beginning of work (or work at an entirely different level, where, pardon the play on words, its "not about you" anymore), and that within what could be categorized as the A.'.A.'. system (which is after all, like the tree of life itself, just a kind of abstract roadmap or filing system), all three of the supernals and Ain/soph/aur represent stages of post-enlightenment work.

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19/04/2012 1:09 am  
"Swamiji" wrote:
I'll just have to say that I don't agree, and I doubt Crowley would have either.  The problem stems from an idea that is very much a pre-enlightenment way of imagining things, that enlightenment is the end point.
What my own experience has shown me is that Enlightenment is in many ways the beginning of work (or work at an entirely different level, where, pardon the play on words, its "not about you" anymore), and that within what could be categorized as the A.'.A.'. system (which is after all, like the tree of life itself, just a kind of abstract roadmap or filing system), all three of the supernals and Ain/soph/aur represent stages of post-enlightenment work.

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"The Ipsissimus is pre-eminently the Master of all modes of existence; that is, his being is entirely free from internal or external necessity. His work is to destroy all tendencies to construct or to cancel such necessities. He is the Master of the Law of Unsubstantiality (Anatta).

The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished; as it is written "beyond the Word and the Fool, yea, beyond the Word and the Fool"."

- One Star in Sight

Anatta - "In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pāli) or anātman (Sanskrit: अनात्मन्) refers to the notion of "not-self" or the illusion of "self"."

Self, in this case, refers not to the "Higher Self" or HGA, but rather one's very Individuality. Remember, the formula of the Magister, to be used when the "HGA returns", is solve et coagula - solve and coagulate.

Of Nirvana - "The Pāli Canon also contains other perspectives on nirvāna; for one, it is linked to seeing the empty nature of all phenomena. It is also presented as a radical reordering of consciousness and unleashing of awareness. Scholar Herbert Guenther speculates that with nirvāṇa "the ideal personality, the true human being" becomes reality.

[This is the "Natural State" described by U.G. Krishnamurti.]

A liberated (enlightened) individual performs neutral actions (Pali: kiriya kamma) producing no fruit (vipaka) but nonetheless preserves a particular individual personality which is the result of the traces of his or her karmic heritage. The very fact that there is a psycho-physical substrate during the remainder of an arahant's lifetime shows the continuing effect of karma."

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"When a person who has realized nirvāṇa dies, his death is referred as parinirvāṇa (Pali: parinibbana), his fully passing away, as his life was his last link to the cycle of death and rebirth (samsāra), and he will not be reborn again." - Consider pratityasamutpada, and how every moment contains a birth and death. Also consider what U.G. said about what is actually "alive". [Feel free to look it up.]


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13/05/2012 2:56 am  

Crowley's mistake was going to the shunyata store on Jupiter. 
What a drag.
A little bit down the road is a gravity bordello you don't want to miss.
Real new-aeon e-ticket ride


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