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In Kenneth Grant's book Remembering Aleister Crowley he says =

"Crowley used gold disks or coins in connection with astral visions. On one occasion, I saw him slip something into his mouth before I closed my eyes at the outset of a test in spirit vision. That it was the mohur is confirmed by a diary-entry dated February 20th, 1946, in which Crowley describes a similiar test given to Frater Merlinus {Frederick Mellinger}, a member of the Americam branch of the O.T.O. "

What is the reason for Crowley placing the coin in his mouth.

A couple of pages forward in the same book Grant says =

"The use of a disk or coin in connection with magick is traditional. There is a good example of such use in Crowley's novel Moonchild."

I would be very grateful if someone could tell me or quote the example in Moonchild as I do not have a copy of the book.

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93 scrivener11,

Search http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/index.html

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 Anonymous
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Many Thanks for the link Camlion.

I was hoping that someone may remember something about it, to save me having to have to read the book, especially from a computer screen. I expect it will be a good read though.

Anyway, Thanks again.


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After the limited and rather disappointing response to the first question I asked, why A. Crowley would of put a coin into his mouth in connection with astral vision. I would be very interested to hear other's view's in regard to the following explanation, that I have summarized about the reason why Crowley would of done this.

I suddenly remembered last night the ancient Greek custom of placing a coin in the mouth of the deceased, as payment to Charon the ferry man, to take them accross the river of the Underworld, often called the Styx.
After thinking a bit about it, it apears to me that A. Crowley could of done this as a symbolic way to cross the threshhold, symbolized by the Underworld river the Styx, between the land of the physical and the astral plane.

The coin could represent then, the symbolical act of payment to reassure the process of crossing over from the physical state of consciousness to the astral state of consciousness.

Please, don't be to shy this time. I would like to know of your opinions about my theory.

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In this specific case, I doubt very much that AC made it for this purpose (if we accept of course Grant’s story), considering his experience of the Astral – and I think he had “paid his dues” quite enough to any threshold guardian !
The only explanation I can find for using talismanic Magic as a support for astral work in this case would be the use of a particular talisman (probably charged using IX° techniques), because of his weakness in his old age; this kind of work would have required more strength than he probably had that day.
Astral can be VERY demanding (see for example the Vision of the Voice, especially the last Aethyrs) even for an adult, I guess when you’re old (and not enjoying good health) it’s not getting easier -I remember several Diary entries in 43/44 where he describes his exhaustion after initiating Grady Mc Murtry.

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I might also think of how coins have 'heads' and 'tails' and the symbol of the serpent swallowing its tail...


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"scrivener11" wrote:
I was hoping that someone may remember something about it, to save me having to have to read the book

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"lashtal" wrote:
"scrivener11" wrote:
I was hoping that someone may remember something about it, to save me having to have to read the book

🙄

lol I see that the lesson wasn't lost on you, Paul. 😉


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"lashtal" wrote:
"scrivener11" wrote:
I was hoping that someone may remember something about it, to save me having to have to read the book

🙄

You missed out the rest of the post. which was =

"especially from a computer screen. I expect it will be a good read though"

which gives it a little bit of a different emphasis to how you made it look by missing out the rest of the quote.


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Palamedes
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Nobody seems to be responding to the original question, which I find very interesting. So ... anybody?


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