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Posted by: @shiva

Yes, my retorted report was to Ignant, who blew the whistle. Your quoting his revelation merely involves you in a conspiracy ... along with me, because I added further sub-revelations. Or were they pre-revelations? Yes, "pre," 'cause the Taoists came first without secrecy.

It's all a great conspiracy to profane the Great Inner Secrets by...sharing information that's been available for ages for anyone who looks hard enough. Diabolical, isn't it?

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Can you rephrase the question, please? Especially identifying "them," and further identifying "external condensers."

I'm sorry, I was unclear. 

Is there a Taoist method of using sexual fluids like condensers, externally, as in using them to anoint or charge external objects, like sigils, talismen, material bases for servitors, or mirrors, to use a couple of classic examples?

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Maybe heresy from the viewpoint of those who protect "the secret."

 

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Is there a Taoist method of using sexual fluids like condensers, externally, as in using them to anoint or charge external objects, like sigils, talismen, material bases for servitors, or mirrors, to use a couple of classic examples?

I am only aware of the internal use, and that from my one perusal of text that I cannot find. Diabolic, isn't it? But knowing the Chinese passion for talismans, lucky numbers, and magical tricks, I'm sure they have come up with such practices.

However, pure Taoism follows the Way of the Tao Teh Ching. Any Taoist churches, religions, philosophical societies, and organizations are essentially the same as the others: they add practices, ethics, and all the usual trappings of people who are imitating some ancient master (while adding their own ideas into the mix. These organizations then develop into sects (sections) with diverse concepts. They argue a lot with each other.

The non-goal of Taoism is to operate in wu-wei. One can get there by uniting with the Tao, following some of the principles in Liber AL, or by engaging in some competitive sport (among many other occupations). Ignant described the adoption of wu wei while daily riding on his bicycle in NYC traffic. I don't think he resorted to the Tao, AL, or anything but letting himself go and flowing with the dangerous rapids. I experienced my first wu wei while driving a race car ...

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“ Maria failed in her time, though the Confrerie de la Flèche d'Or might have lasted longer if her followers hadn't been so dependent on her. “

“ The Free Being in you is Satan, wanting eternal joy; but you, Free Soul, you decided otherwise, because you are not only Satan but also one who lives, being Life “
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I'd argue that "selfish" Work has its place, you can become more effective with an ordered life, and with initiatory Work, and you can accomplish more with more resources.

 

"selfish" + "selfless/other" is a naturally occurring duality within sexuality that is (I believe) transmuted into a non-dual mutually pleasing, mutually rewarding state (who could disagree there). Sort of like what happens if Satan and Jesus were one person, one totally focused on the self and the individual, the other focused solely on the other. 

From the perspective of nature, who created the most successful species (humanity), human sexuality as a strategy peaks in "win win" or non-dual strategy, healthy sexual experience is the union of the selfish and the selfless, and this is a strategy that worked to develop our species.

What's more, mammals compete, the males compete with each other to see which can offer to the female the best design for the future species. This is also a naturally occurring strategy.

A biological child from a sexual act requires hands on "care" for other.

Point is, an individual couple (not in a group) can offer their joy (as a prayer, spell, etc) to the joy of the world, as a psychological tool to transmute the selfish into the selfless, where "both" are exalted, neither are sacrificed.

Thread is titled, "Does sex magick work?"

Point is, yes, when it is focused on a higher good above and beyond the self, which is also Nature's strategy with human sexuality. Human sexuality is "win win", so our magick can also be "win-win" to align with the mind of nature.

Sexuality is the ritual of healing the separation.

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To succeed in this Work would require a lot of mundane activity in addition to magickal, and would require a lot of people working together.  I'm not objecting to the idea, I support it, but it would require a larger effort than I've seen so far. Maria failed in her time, though the Confrerie de la Flèche d'Or might have lasted longer if her followers hadn't been so dependent on her. The Horus Maat Lodge's efforts have had mixed results at best.  Getting enough people and resources together to effect change on that scale would be the first challenge. 

Right now, the largest group sexual activity in the hundreds of millions, at once,  is happening at a global level, every minute of the day, with online pornography, so surely we can devise something, sexual activity and media is the easiest thing to find some adoption to, and the rest is all just viral marketing (another word I use for magick, tantra, alchemy, and psychology)

Either way, if there is only one couple that wishes to create a seed that will beget a tree of intelligent couples applying sexual "magick" and mindfulness to their chemistry, that is a good place to begin with sex magick.

EX: If I have the intention to write a work of fiction that will inspire the world into greater collaboration or positive activity, and I perform "sex yoga" with my partner with that intention, I am not surprised when over the course of the following days, my "muse"  brings me inspiration to pen and craft such a story, and that story is discovered to be brilliant, elegant, etc etc.

This is the kind of magick that I can confirm works from experience.

Of course, anyone can experiment with this, over and over if necessary 🙂

 

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The non-goal of Taoism is to operate in wu-wei. One can get there by uniting with the Tao, following some of the principles in Liber AL, or by engaging in some competitive sport (among many other occupations). Ignant described the adoption of wu wei while daily riding on his bicycle in NYC traffic. I don't think he resorted to the Tao, AL, or anything but letting himself go and flowing with the dangerous rapids. I experienced my first wu wei while driving a race car ... 

 

Would you connect wu wei with Csikszentmihalyi's Flow? 

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"selfish" + "selfless/other" is a naturally occurring duality within sexuality that is (I believe) transmuted into a non-dual mutually pleasing, mutually rewarding state (who could disagree there),  

 

Selfish and selfless don't always need to be mutually exclusive, something that I think a lot of people miss.  For example, I've seen people arguing against initiatory work, saying that it's selfish to work on yourself when other people need help.  I see the two as mutually complementary, though, one can feed the other.

Sort of like what happens if Satan and Jesus were one person

An important element in Robert DeGrimston's theology. 

Point is, an individual couple (not in a group) can offer their joy

I'm sure a group could offer their joy too, though.

 

Point is, yes, when it is focused on a higher good above and beyond the self,

I'd say it's more a technique that can be used for anything, but some things might be harder for some than others. 

Right now, the largest group sexual activity in the hundreds of millions, at once,  is happening at a global level, every minute of the day, with online pornography

Could you imagine what could be done by finding a way to tap in to something like Pornhub?

Either way, if there is only one couple that wishes to create a seed that will beget a tree of intelligent couples applying sexual "magick" and mindfulness to their chemistry, that is a good place to begin with sex magick.

In my most egotistical fantasies I'd be the one to finish Maria's Work. But those are just fantasies.  For now.  😉 

 

pen and craft such a story, and that story is discovered to be brilliant, elegant, etc etc.

Fiction makes a very powerful way to spread and manifest magickal ideas.

 


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Would you connect wu wei with Csikszentmihalyi's Flow?

I have never heard of this Cs.'. person or his/her flow.

 


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Would you connect wu wei with Csikszentmihalyi's Flow?

I have never heard of this Cs.'. person or his/her flow.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi#Flow

 

 


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"In his seminal work, Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience, Csíkszentmihályi outlines his theory that people are happiest when they are in a state of flow—a state of concentration or complete absorption with the activity at hand and the situation. It is a state in which people are so involved in an activity that nothing else seems to matter. The idea of flow is identical to the feeling of being in the zone or in the groove."

Yeah, that sounds about right.


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seminal work

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flow

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katrice: " Could you imagine what could be done by finding a way to tap in to something like Pornhub? "

 

With respect to Pornhub, such a way has already been found ( developed ) and successfully implemented by Fabian Thylmann ( 1978 - ), founder and managing partner of the Internet pornography conglomerate Manwin (now MindGeek). In the late 1990s Thylmann developed software called NATS (Next-generation Affiliate Tracking Software), which enabled website operators to track users' clicks on advertisements and links so that they could be paid commission.

Thylmann used the money he made with NATS to buy various Internet pornography companies (for example Pornhub), and create the Internet pornography conglomerate Manwin (now MindGeek). In October 2013, Thylmann stepped down and sold Manwin, which was at the time the largest pornography operator in the world, for €73 million, for undisclosed reasons. ( Source: Fabian Thylmann From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Thylmann )

 

But Katrice, what would the current owner(-s) of it, gain / benefit / profit from an arrangement along the lines of what you have in mind for Pornhub? How would you pitch what you have in mind for Pornhub, to its current owner(-s)?

 

Also, the Montreal mansion of Feras Antoon, one of the owners of the pornography site Pornhub, was this year destroyed in a criminal fire.

( Source: "Montreal mansion of Pornhub owner destroyed in criminal fire [-] Home listed at $19M belongs to Feras Antoon, one of the owners of the pornography site[.] CBC News · Posted: Apr 26, 2021 7:02 AM ET | Last Updated: April 26" - - - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ahuntsic-mansion-arson-fire-1.6001985 )

And also, Pornhub has a problematic track history of  hosting criminal content ( "... videos of rape, child abuse and sex trafficking — sometimes even after victims asked for the videos to be taken down." ).

( Source: " The problems with Pornhub[.] [As calls to reform Pornhub grow louder, porn performers say they need to be part of the conversation.] CBC News · Posted: Dec 15, 2020 5:48 AM ET | Last Updated: December 15, 2020 " - - - https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/the-problems-with-pornhub-1.5841509 )


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“ In my most egotistical fantasies I'd be the one to finish Maria's Work. But those are just fantasies. For now. “

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But Katrice, what would the current owner(-s) of it, gain / benefit / profit from an arrangement along the lines of what you have in mind for Pornhub? How would you pitch what you have in mind for Pornhub, to its current owner(-s)?

I didn't necessarily mean Pornhub itself, more like something on that scale.   "something like Pornhub".  Maybe tone and content wise more like Bellesa.  And I didn't mean something only on the mundane level like what you mention, I also meant finding a way to tap in to the level of energy and attention that something on that scale could produce, the " largest group sexual activity in the hundreds of millions" that Sanguine Chuck mentioned. 


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Could you imagine what could be done by finding a way to tap in to something like Pornhub?

 

Why yes, I can 🙂

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In my most egotistical fantasies I'd be the one to finish Maria's Work. But those are just fantasies.  For now.  😉 

 

Well, it ain't egotistical if you have that sort of desire and are willing to put your face to it and name. I am aware of those who would also love to do such a thing, but likely would never because of the impact of the association and the feedback it could have on their work and profession.

I would have your resume on standby, lol.

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Maybe tone and content wise more like Bellesa.

That company probably has the best idea, in terms of it is erotica made for women, by women. Sexual media shows us this type of content is the most consumed in the world, at scale. I believe women in general should be the controllers globally for these type of exercises.

PornHub is just another media giant asshole exploiting sex workers at scale, they remind me of a record company.

But there would need to be some sort of game play, something that users can participate in, not just consume, and some inspiring rituals (mating rituals from around the world are an untapped art) but most important economics. The economics of the sex industry is horrible, a new model would need to be introduced.

In terms of "viral", Sex For World Peace just seems to have a ring to it. I imagine there is a lot there to play with as a call and response to world events, and imagine what an army of "cam girls" could accomplish in terms of influence, hehe.

Best to you on your journey! 

 

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Well, it ain't egotistical if you have that sort of desire and are willing to put your face to it and name. I am aware of those who would also love to do such a thing, but likely would never because of the impact of the association and the feedback it could have on their work and profession.

I would have your resume on standby, lol.

Clearly, self-employment and passive income are required. 😉 

 

Sexual media shows us this type of content is the most consumed in the world, at scale. I believe women in general should be the controllers globally for these type of exercises.

 

"The Priestesses of Love are destined to prepare the future of humanity"
 
But there would need to be some sort of game play, something that users can participate in, not just consume, and some inspiring rituals (mating rituals from around the world are an untapped art)
Maria made no secret of her sex rituals, and she deliberately used scandal and spectacle to her advantage. I think there's potential there.  Rituals that are as much performances as rituals, and maybe work sigils following Mortensen's Command to Look in to pics and videos.  Look at how bdsm scenes are put together, that's a performance and ritual. 
 
but most important economics. The economics of the sex industry is horrible, a new model would need to be introduced.
That is something that needs addressing.
 
 In terms of "viral", Sex For World Peace just seems to have a ring to it. I imagine there is a lot there to play with as a call and response to world events, and imagine what an army of "cam girls" could accomplish in terms of influence, hehe.
 
Cam girl priestesses?   A new version of Maria's Sophiales!
 
 
Best to you on your journey! 
 
Thank you very much!

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So this thread is now about international  "mass sex-ritual 'energy' (??) for world peace?"   How did we get to this silliness? 
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g a way to tap in to the level of energy and attention that something on that scale could produce, the " largest group sexual activity in the hundreds of millions" that Sanguine Chuck mentioned.  

..................  oh......yes.... I see.

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So this thread is now about international  "mass sex-ritual 'energy' (??) for world peace?"   How did we get to this silliness? 

It's just a small detour on the thread, not what the thread is about now.

 

And not exactly. More like magickal action as part of a larger effort,also including things like memetics and practical action.  Working only on the magickal level and on no others is indeed silliness.

And maybe not "world peace" in so many words, but more like working to transform society, inspiring people to "greater collaboration or positive activity" as mentioned.   

At worst, nothing happens, at minimum, some people get inspired and continue the work, at best, genuine positive change happens.

 


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So this thread is now about international  "mass sex-ritual 'energy' (??) for world peace?" 

Don't be scared–lol

It's been going on for at least 1000 years in the Himalaya.

 

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And maybe not "world peace" in so many words, but more like working to transform society, inspiring people to "greater collaboration or positive activity" as mentioned.   

 

I prefer to use the phrase "World Peace" because, after much experimentation over the years, I find no other phrase that will freak people out more, equally across all ideological boundaries.

What's more, using the phrase "World Peace" is also strategic, a form of covert operations.

Since everyone has their own false ideas about this phrase, many will, like @david-dom-lemieux, often mask all activity as "silly", "hippy", and most importantly "harmless".

So it is used to keep away the noobs, the vulgar, the orthodox, and historically speaking, the FBI, CIA, and NSA and all counterparts world wide.

PS: Nothing is more rich than freaking out occultists.

 

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k, at best, genuine positive change happens.

 

Like what?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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k, at best, genuine positive change happens.

 

Like what?

Are you sincerely interested, or just looking for more material for mockery?


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... at best, genuine positive change happens.

Dom asks: Like what?

Katrice respomds: Are you sincerely interested, or just looking for more material for mockery?

It's sort of a question that deals with the general consensus of this thread: Does Sex Magic Work? - and it seems like it works well for "internal altered states," but not for external things.

So Dom is asking a specific question. But Katrice is merely citing a spectrum of possibilities in reference to influencing mass consciousness.

The possibilities range from "At worst," to "at best." It seems like you were citing possibilities, so it would be difficult to cite specifics.

Specifically, from my point of view, and including centuries (millennia?) of attempts to influence the masses with singular duets (acts) of sex magic, I cannot see any improvement in the consciousness of mass humanity. This perception may be clouded by the present global crisis.

 


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Specifically, from my point of view, and including centuries (millennia?) of attempts to influence the masses with singular duets (acts) of sex magic, I cannot see any improvement in the consciousness of mass humanity. This perception may be clouded by the present global crisis.

I asked because if anything I type is just going to be automatically gainsaid then I don't see a point in answering the question.

I'd also commented that I felt that approaching something like this with only magickal action, with no more mundane actions geared towards specific parts of the overall goals was indeed silliness.  

Trying to help make a world where more people work to find and pursue their True Wills,  are more accepting of each other's differences in race, gender, sexuality, etc, and want to work together to benefit each other and the world at large while also benefiting ourselves in the process. Following the tenets of Liber Oz, while working to reduce the number of people who would "thwart these rights" with a less violent approach. Approaching from a stance of inspiration rather than proselytization. And not being naive enough to think that this is possible on a fully global scale.  That's the basics. 

I had a reason to call this part of my most egotistical fantasy, though, because the present global crisis shows that at least for now we just want to point and laugh at each other's dying.  I'm just not old enough yet to accept that that's our true nature as a species.  

 

 "internal altered states," but not for external things.

I'd agree with you there, it seems to work much better for the former, but I wouldn't call it completely useless for the latter, and internal change can lead to external action.  I've also said before that a lot of my uses of sex magick haven't relied solely on the sex magick itself, I've usually combined it with other types of magick.   


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Like what?

Are you sincerely interested, or just looking for more material for mockery?

@david-dom-lemieux this is all ripe material for comedy and/or your subtle shenanigans 🙂

But it is also a good opportunity to see how a non-dual view provides some very clear examples, even measurements to judge the "results" of "sex magick", which is a term that I believe is very juvenile (hence fun) for what is essentially alchemy and tantra.

As if you would never ask hehe

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It's sort of a question that deals with the general consensus of this thread: Does Sex Magic Work? - and it seems like it works well for "internal altered states," but not for external things.

Hmmm...

Well, "sex magick" certainly works better, stronger, faster, longer than any other form of magick/tantra/alchemy...so maybe the question is better served simply asking "does magick work?" or perhaps "what are the positive benefits of doing magick?"

From the view of non-duality, all consensual reality, the natural universe as we perceive it, and measure it, and marvel in it, is magick. This is the non-dual view of "all reality is maya, illusion" whereas the illusion is that created by a magician. 

We are already creating reality, using magick, with or without knowledge of doing so, according to the non-dual view.

"karma" is just magick we did in the past, but we can also re-create that karma now.

Experiences of Synchronicity, Syncro-mysticism are the manifested results of magick, and with sex magick, the rate of synchronicity will increase. 

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Specifically, from my point of view, and including centuries (millennia?) of attempts to influence the masses with singular duets (acts) of sex magic, I cannot see any improvement in the consciousness of mass humanity. This perception may be clouded by the present global crisis.

How would this ever be measured?

Global Crisis may not be how we would want to measure it, but by the emergence of Global Opportunity, specifically any opportunity that provides resolution.

Maybe all those fun saturday nights manifest as the Bitcoin revolution, lol

I would like to suggest an area of measurement, however we have to agree what we are measuring. For me, the most complete and exhaustive body of work around what could be called sex magick are the yogas and tantras from the Himalaya, including Buddhist, BonPo, who have perfected the craft for at least 1000 years that is historically verifiable, at scale, meaning millions and millions of initiates and practitioners.

So, for at least 1000 years, a million + initiates and adepts have focused "sex magick" on obtaining only one result, the Golden Age and the liberation of mankind from all forms of suffering.

Beginning in 1000 AD, can we measure an increase in happiness, a trend towards less war, a decrease in poverty, an extension of health, in the worlds population?

yes, without a doubt we see this affect, and it is counter intuitive, because our species is such crap, as present history teaches, yet contradicted by the data which shows we are ever arching towards more and more liberation.

Why not credit the sex magick of the Tibetan Mahasiddis and Glorious Lamas?

 

 

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I asked because if anything I type is just going to be automatically gainsaid then I don't see a point in answering the question.

Please feel free to simply IGNORE any question, comment, or extravaganza that you do not understand, or feel is entrapment, or is just plain stoopid. There may be posters who you just skip over. We don't know if your work will be gainsaid. I don't even know what "gainsaid" means.

Gainsay - "To speak against; contradict; oppose in words; deny or declare not to be true; controvert; dispute: applied to persons, or to propositions, declarations, or facts."

Oh, I see. It means "start a fight."

Yes, that happens a lot here. After all, it's like we're walking through the Marketplace Main Square, and there are hawkers (not falconers) everywhere, crying out their agenda, looking for someone to bloody, or asking for donations (in money or Chi).

There are others you can trust with your life. But which is who, and what is where? Alas, only time will tell.

In the meantime, IGNORE anything that seems fishy.

Actually, Dom might have entered a valid question. Perhaps he will re-enter his query with a longer, and more meaningful, request.

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Trying to help make a world where more people work to find and pursue their True Wills,  are more accepting of each other's differences in race, gender, sexuality, etc, and want to work together to benefit each other and the world at large while also benefiting ourselves in the process.

Okay, this is very straightforward. Anyone who matches this general description is going to probably be an initiate. To be an "initiate" means the person has encountered the 1st degree, which is the same in all cultures. 

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And not being naive enough to think that this is possible on a fully global scale. 

Welcome to the Aeon of Maat, ruled by Heru-ma-chis, now showing on another thread, but not yet showing on the world screen, which is where Ch 3 is now premiering.


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Please feel free to simply IGNORE any question, comment, or extravaganza that you do not understand, or feel is entrapment, or is just plain stoopid. There may be posters who you just skip over. We don't know if your work will be gainsaid. I don't even know what "gainsaid" means.

Actually, Dom might have entered a valid question. Perhaps he will re-enter his query with a longer, and more meaningful, request.

I'm not going to ignore any question, comment, or extravaganza I do not understand, because I want to learn. Entrapment and stoopidity are different matters.

Dom's question is valid by itself.  In context of his tone as a whole, not just that one question, I had doubts.  

I've been reading my way throughout the forums here, I just finished reading all of the Scarlet Women section today, in fact, and one of the many benefits of this has been getting to know the regulars more.  Trolling happens everywhere, and trolls play a role in every internet ecosystem, but I like to be cautious about giving them new material. Sometimes I just want to apply my time and energy to other things than arguing. Like educating myself in other areas on the forums, for example.

 

Gainsay

That makes two words I've taught you!  

Okay, this is very straightforward. Anyone who matches this general description is going to probably be an initiate. To be an "initiate" means the person has encountered the 1st degree, which is the same in all cultures. 

Exactly

Welcome to the Aeon of Maat, ruled by Heru-ma-chis,

 

I am familiar with Achad's and Nema's works.  


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Thread is titled, "Does sex magick work?"

Point is, yes, when it is focused on a higher good above and beyond the self, which is also Nature's strategy with human sexuality. Human sexuality is "win win", so our magick can also be "win-win" to align with the mind of nature.

Quoted for emphasis.

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Right now, the largest group sexual activity in the hundreds of millions, at once,  is happening at a global level, every minute of the day, with online pornography, so surely we can devise something, sexual activity and media is the easiest thing to find some adoption to, and the rest is all just viral marketing (another word I use for magick, tantra, alchemy, and psychology)

IMHO pornography is a vice. Much like a whiff of cocaine it's fun and seems harmless but can become a problem (like any vice...cigarettes, alcohol, prostitution.) Pornography is basically a creation of the sexually repressed to express their anger at being repressed. An in your face "fuck you" to the churches and sexually repressed mechanisms of the status quo. Pornography sells best in the USA where sexual things tend to get erased so that they can be sold back to you the consumer as a commodity.

But we have reached peak porno these days and I don't think anything is shocking any more. And i sure don't think all the porn and wanking going on on the internet is helping the planet much. Perhaps only to get over ourselves and get over sex as something shameful and dirty. Like any vice it has it's place. There are legal and illegal vices, depending on where you live etc. Marijuana, alcohol, cigarettes, prostitution, pornography, cocaine, etc. None are going away any time soon.

This statement comes direct from my experience as a porn actor for 5 years. My entire career was an act of sex magick. It almost killed me a few times. But I wasn't after money per se. The money is good but what I was after was something real, an experience more powerful than Hollywood fakery. I wanted to live the ups and downs (pun intended) and explore a new world and in the end have a story to tell.

Not everyone goes about sex or porn as an act of magick. In fact most clearly do not. But my intention was clear from the start. I made a manifestation collage before i began to guide my path:

xrated collage final

In the end I decided i must leave or it would kill me and decided id had enough. So after 5 years I left and never looked back. But my transition to normality has been difficult and 11 years later I have a few scars. Be careful what you wish for:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1177925/

In porn, "Every man and every woman is a star."

Many many of the people I worked with and worked for are dead. Probably about 5% of the people I worked with are dead. People I worked with are still dying young every year since I retired. Mostly suicides or drug overdoses, a few accidents. I imagine that the world of porn is much like rock n roll in that respect. Not a lot of rules. Meeting, working with, befriending many many people. A lifestyle that doesn't age well. Many casualties:

https://www.xbiz.com/news/176044/jake-malone-commits-suicide

https://avn.com/business/articles/video/brandon-iron-confirmed-dead-841576.html

https://celebrantpam.com/memorials/dominiqueportanova.html

Many others I worked with and/or knew ended up broke or in jail:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/3-charged-with-12-counts-in-north-hollywood-illegal-prostitution-scheme-ag-becerra/

https://www.therialtoreport.com/2017/03/19/tom-byron-2/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/31/ron-jeremy-adult-film-star-rape-sexual-assault-charges

https://www.change.org/p/washington-state-governor-free-christopher-jack-reid-aka-jack-venice-or-give-him-a-new-fair-trial

The above are just a few of dozens and dozens of examples.

As intended from the start, my experience was well documented. I got my story, and now I have to live with it. No regrets. But I wouldn't do it again.

Yes sex magick works. If you are intentional about it. I would argue that all sex is sex magick. And that these sad tales are a result of not being responsible for that. To go about the powerful sex energy with reckless abandon is fun and freeing at first but can wreak havoc eventually.

For sex magick to work you must also do the work of whatever you are trying to manifest. If you wanna create and sell t-shirts or art or books or a successful business best get to work right away when the sex part is over. For example: Crowley sitting around wanking while on coke didn't do much for his pocketbook. But when he wrote books they sold. If you are creating a business, or personal myth, or story, or context, or inspired vision, or personal commitment in love to your mate, or rock n roll dynasty, etc...sex magick can work.

But if it's money your after best to use sex magick in a context that has established channels of wealth creation (for example: building a physical business or service, or songwriting, record producing, filmmaking, writing books, creating t-shirts or fashion or art or some other sell-able product. Or becoming some great leader or guru or movie star or politician ot whatever.) Or you can take the easy way and simply make sex your job linking the performance or act of sex act to commerce (prostitution, pimp, porn star, web cam star, stripper) but that I would not recommend.

Sex magick alone won't turn the trick. It only works to enhance whatever work or thing you are creating. And admittedly, women are probably much better at it.

reference links: (all links above and below are "safe for work")

http://monsterpictures.com.au/shop/last-days-of-joe-blow/

http://screen-space.squarespace.com/features/2013/11/20/joe-somebody-the-michael-tierney-interview.html

https://beat.com.au/the-last-days-of-joe-blow/

https://www.sbs.com.au/movies/review/last-days-joe-blow-review

The Rolling Stones Mick Jagger and Aerosmith Steve Tyler have used sex magick. They've spoken about it to varying degrees. It worked for them to create rock n roll legacies. But they also did the work of recording music and touring etc. And they were working in a context that could create the wealth and lifestyles they desired. (It probably helps to be a rock star and have a few willing participants to practice with on occasion.)

On the other hand there are many examples of those who have failed for various reasons. Too much sex and drugs, not enough "doing the work" I imagine. But each case must be looked at individually.

I'm sure there are many examples of people that have used sex magick to enhance their work. Many that have not revealed themselves.

 

 

 

 


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Posted by: @katrice
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k, at best, genuine positive change happens.

 

Like what?

Are you sincerely interested, or just looking for more material for mockery?

Mockery?  When e.g. Janye Wolfe went to Cefalu, Crowley asked her to cut through all of the (what we would today call 'New Agey') well, BS.   That includes  analyzing any 'metaphysical laws' (magical?)  that you presently think are a given.   Was that 'mockery'?  To use an extreme example I watched a (Netflix?) documentary on The People's Temple last year I believe.     The entire power-base of this ridiculous and clownish conman was lack of scrutiny of his 'followers' in relation to the metaphysical powers that he claimed to have.   You know the story it took the CIA/FBI a while before they realized how dangerous (to life) it all was.  Who enabled the clown?   Who enables such clowns?    People who make vague and general statements about 'the positive benefits of magic rituals'?   

So with all that said you claim that "at best, genuine positive (presumably metaphysical) change happens" when people hold an international metaphysical circle-jerk party.  All I'm asking is how?  If your'e sure about an answer then you won't feel insecure about anyone's apparent  'mockery'.  I'm interested in your explanation.  Maybe check out some of sanguinechucks other threads they are an interesting documentation on wild conclusions derived from vague theorizing.  

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So with all that said you claim that "at best, genuine positive (presumably metaphysical) change happens" when people hold an international metaphysical circle-jerk party.  All I'm asking is how?  If your'e sure about an answer then you won't feel insecure about anyone's apparent  'mockery'.  I'm interested in your explanation.  

I did say that it wouldn't be just magick.  As elitemachinery mentioned above, it would need to involve practical action too.  And I stated that approaching it from a solely magickal stance was silliness. 

I'm not insecure about "anyone's apparent mockery".  I'm open to challenges or criticism, though I would prefer it be stated civilly.  As I explained to Shiva, I simply feel that if someone is just going to automatically gainsay anything I respond with, and only wants me to respond to give them more material to do that with, then I see no point in engaging with that person, as I have better things to do. 

Here's a question for you.  If I want to create positive change in the world, with magickal action intended to enhance mundane action, as I outlined in my response to Shiva, why would that be objectionable?

 


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Posted by: @elitemachinery

As intended from the start, my experience was well documented. I got my story, and now I have to live with it. No regrets. But I wouldn't do it again.

 

I'm still reading through all that you linked to but thank you for sharing your story!  

Sex magick alone won't turn the trick. It only works to enhance whatever work or thing you are creating. 

Exactly!  I mentioned that in a couple of my responses.  That's been my approach to magick in general.

 

And admittedly, women are probably much better at it.

 

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Posted by: @katrice

 

Here's a question for you.  If I want to create positive change in the world, with magickal action intended to enhance mundane action, , why would that be objectionable?

 

It isn't.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Hi @elitemachinery, thanks for sharing your story!

Posted by: @elitemachinery

IMHO pornography is a vice. 

Porn is a vice in the same degree that anything sexual can be a vice. Because it is sex and pleasure, it creates the most powerful of vice in the world.

Idea is to have "warm heart and compassion" take on those same drives, and this process of transmuting sexual energy into the energy of compassion and wisdom.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

And i sure don't think all the porn and wanking going on on the internet is helping the planet much.

I certainly was not suggesting this, my point was rather flippant. It only suggested that we have, in the hundreds of millions, large scale sexual activity being co-ordinated by an algorithm.

Question was, can we use something like an algorithm to co-ordinate healthy sexual activity with a positive focus?

"scale" is possible because of technology. That's my only point really.

The entire industry of "porn" is, in my opinion, is gross and blind.

I am not much a consumer of porn, however, I would consume it if it was created in differently, not called "porn", just "art".

However, there is also "erotic" imagery and play of light and sound, a force of nature to be creative with and ritualized. We don't see this type of media emerge from the Porn Industry (with few exception), and all I am suggesting is, maybe we can?

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Sex magick alone won't turn the trick. It only works to enhance whatever work or thing you are creating. And admittedly, women are probably much better at it.

100% this is true

Posted by: @elitemachinery

I'm sure there are many examples of people that have used sex magick to enhance their work. Many that have not revealed themselves.

1. I feel really silly using the term "sex magick"

2. Bringing sexual energy and sexual urges into holistic psychology is what we are actually referring to.

3. The "sex magick" I am referring to is setting an intention with a partner, have the intention line up with greater good for humanity (something other than just the self and self pleasure). That's it. From my experience and with measurable results, those experiences produce "children" where as the children take the form of brilliant ideas or design concepts that can be created in material reality and therefore change material reality, not just internal reality.

4. All Tibetan Buddhism, BonPo, Himalayan tantra is "sex magick for world peace".

 

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Mockery? 

Dom, skepticism is not cynicism.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

All I'm asking is how? 

Step One: Find a partner you have a genuine emotional connection with.

Step Two: Cultivate a sense of a bigger picture beyond your own pleasure. <<< that is the secret! Identify that and set an "intention" to create something for that purpose. If you are cynical, it wont work.

Step Three: Spend as many hours as possible with your partner obtaining as much as this "energy" as you can with each other, ideally until exhaustion.

If the above was performed well, over the next few days, weeks, months, even years, "ideas" will come to you (some call them ideas, others call them spirits, it does not matter) that will be inspiration, and that inspiration can take the form of whatever craft you take, writing, music, design, medicine, it does not matter.

Sex magick changes the quality of "ideas" that come to your mind. Instead of "monkey chatter", your thoughts are transformed into "angelic discussion".

Sex magick is an efficient way to "change your mind"

That is how it works. 

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux I'm interested in your explanation.  Maybe check out some of sanguinechucks other threads they are an interesting documentation on wild conclusions derived from vague theorizing.  

Such as?

Oh Dom, you're falling for the trick, don't you know my style by now?

I make uncontroversial claims, but state them in language (what shiva called my "strange pronouncements") that is MAGICAL and designed to stimulate conversation, expose shadow psychology, and increase our intelligence and smarts with each other.

Posted by: @katrice

I'm open to challenges or criticism, though I would prefer it be stated civilly.  As I explained to Shiva, I simply feel that if someone is just going to automatically gainsay anything I respond with, and only wants me to respond to give them more material to do that with, then I see no point in engaging with that person, as I have better things to do. 

Here is the thing with Dom and perhaps a few others. They respond with their "feelings". You can state 1 + 1 = 2 for days on end, but if they don't feel that 1 + 1 = 2, they simply will not acknowledge the steps you took to prove them that 1 + 1 = 2.

And that is okay. Like most, we've all been burned by bright ideas and prophets and hope, so this can be a paradoxically cynical bunch, which is fun cuz technically they are occultists obsessed with Aleister Crowley, and are in no position to be preaching reason, rationality, science, philosophy, etc etc

Posted by: @katrice
Posted by: @katrice

 

Here's a question for you.  If I want to create positive change in the world, with magickal action intended to enhance mundane action, , why would that be objectionable?

 

@david-dom-lemieux 

It isn't.  

Dom, then WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER, HIM, US, and THEM?

 

 

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

 

Porn is a vice in the same degree that anything sexual can be a vice. Because it is sex and pleasure, it creates the most powerful of vice in the world.

 

The transmutation of "poison" in to power, though most things regarded as poison and vice receive the definition more in how people use them than in anything to do with their nature. I seek to use as many aspects of my life as fuel for my magick as possible.

 

I am not much a consumer of porn, however, I would consume it if it was created in differently, not called "porn", just "art".

However, there is also "erotic" imagery and play of light and sound, a force of nature to be creative with and ritualized. We don't see this type of media emerge from the Porn Industry (with few exception), and all I am suggesting is, maybe we can?

Which was what I was getting at too.

Step One: Find a partner you have a genuine emotional connection with.

Step Two: Cultivate a sense of a bigger picture beyond your own pleasure. <<< that is the secret! Identify that and set an "intention" to create something for that purpose. If you are cynical, it wont work.

Step Three: Spend as many hours as possible with your partner obtaining as much as this "energy" as you can with each other, ideally until exhaustion.

If the above was performed well, over the next few days, weeks, months, even years, "ideas" will come to you (some call them ideas, others call them spirits, it does not matter) that will be inspiration, and that inspiration can take the form of whatever craft you take, writing, music, design, medicine, it does not matter.

It's been my experience that emotional connection helps, but is not completely necessary.  I also don't believe that a partner is completely necessary, though having one certainly does help, and makes it more fun too, which enhances the effect as well. 

 

I've used sex magick for divination before, skrying, seeking visions.  It's never taken that long for me to receive results. 

 

Here is the thing with Dom and perhaps a few others. They respond with their "feelings". You can state 1 + 1 = 2 for days on end, but if they don't feel that 1 + 1 = 2, they simply will not acknowledge the steps you took to prove them that 1 + 1 = 2.

That was why I asked about his sincerity.  

 

Dom, then WHY DON'T YOU HELP HER, HIM, US, and THEM?

Not cynical enough of a goal?  

 


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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

I certainly was not suggesting this, my point was rather flippant. It only suggested that we have, in the hundreds of millions, large scale sexual activity being co-ordinated by an algorithm.

Question was, can we use something like an algorithm to co-ordinate healthy sexual activity with a positive focus?

"scale" is possible because of technology. That's my only point really.

The entire industry of "porn" is, in my opinion, is gross and blind.

This is already happening to a degree. But I think it's rather chaotic and resembles a roomful of monkeys at typewriters. I don't think anything great will come of it.

Behind the curtain of pornography are some puppet masters using the internet and porn as a social conditioning mechanism. Different players have different agendas. Most of them just want more clicks and more cash. But there is also an element of anarchy and an attempt to destroy all sexual identities, destroy the family unit, and pervert everything.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that websites like chaturbate or pornhub are funded by some sort of clandestine government program. I'm not saying it is. But I wouldn't be surprised.

Having known a lot of the players on the field. I'd say most are motivated by greed. Or they just want to stay relevant or continue in the business they are in. So they invent fantasy scenarios that get more clicks or play on peoples fears of inadequacy by showing white women having sex with huge black men or some other genius scenario. It works. Whore movies sell almost as well as Horror movies. People like to be scared. You would have to interview the actual players to get their true intentions or beliefs. But overall it does seem to contributing to a breakdown of society heading towards anarchy.

The problem with pornography is it can become a substitute for real life sexual experience.

It's not all negative. But porn to sex is like cocaine to coca leaves. One is natural and grows in the jungle. The indigenous peoples have chewed on those leaves for centuries. The other is a carefully extracted drug with high potency that causes a quick and powerful high. Pornography even at it's most beautiful and arty is still poison. Poisons and vices have their uses. But like any poison it is best consumed in small quantities.

Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Here is the thing with Dom and perhaps a few others. They respond with their "feelings". You can state 1 + 1 = 2 for days on end, but if they don't feel that 1 + 1 = 2, they simply will not acknowledge the steps you took to prove them that 1 + 1 = 2.

The problem with Dom is [Moderator's Note: Personal insults removed...] I recommend ignoring him.

Crowley writes about it. The results of doing magick are hard to quantify. If a women is doing sex magick in her personal life and selling her jewelry at markets by day she may have some great results and not just financial. She's getting attention for her work. People are writing articles about her work. New customers. New wholesalers. And the overall experience is fun and sexy. Her clients are more beautiful wearing her jewelry and in turn their lives are improved.

Women are generally better at sex magick because they get it. It's magick dummy! It defies explanation. It's a kinda sexy kinda fun and very powerful use of sexual energy and intention. It doesn't require belief. It just works.

But someone like Dom who has never tried and failed or tried and succeeded at much of anything will eternally troll and be skeptical that the magick this woman was doing had any effect at all on her business.

Stop arguing with idiots! It's a waste of time. Magick is a mostly personal thing anyways.

The question was "does sex magick work?"

I think it does when done well with intention and combined with outer world actions.

Steve Tyler of Aerosmith would agree:

Top 10 Revelations in Steven Tyler’s Memoir, Does the Noise in My Head Bother You?

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2011/05/top-ten-revelations-in-steven-tylers-memoir-does-the-noise-in-my-head-bother-you

3. He practiced Sex Magick.

If early Aerosmith songs like “Mama Kin” make you all tingly (as they should), it may be thanks to the Great Beast himself, Mr. Aleister Crowley. “I’ve practiced Crowley Magick so I know it works,” Tyler writes of channeling the power of the mutual orgasm to achieve wider goals. “I’m not saying that every girl I slept with came at the same time or that I asked her to pray for the same thing I was praying for; namely that Aerosmith would become the greatest American band.”


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I was praying for; namely that Aerosmith would become the greatest American band.”

Uh-huh. More Black Magic


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Posted by: @katrice

s.  

I've been reading my way throughout the forums here, I just finished reading all of the Scarlet Women section today, in fact, and one of the many benefits of this has been getting to know the regulars more.  Trolling happens everywhere, and trolls play a role in every internet ecosystem, but I like to be cautious about giving them new material. Sometimes I just want to apply my time and energy to other things than arguing. Like educating myself in other areas on the forums, for example.

If you're interested in the subject of disruption then I  suggest checking out this thread particularly Pages 3 and 4; 

Crowley and his usages of maths and formulas in Thelema – Page 3 – Thelema – LAShTAL.COM Forum

 

..and the last few pages of this thread;  Crowley and his discrepancies – Page 13 – Thelema – LAShTAL.COM Forum

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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@elitemachinery 

Well I think your quote below sums it all up!...a classic!

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Women are generally better at sex magick because they get it. It's magick dummy! It defies explanation.

 


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Posted by: @katrice

The transmutation of "poison" in to power, though most things regarded as poison and vice receive the definition more in how people use them than in anything to do with their nature. I seek to use as many aspects of my life as fuel for my magick as possible.

 

Interesting, if you do not mind I would like to unpack this a bit. Primarily because I said "compassion" and you say "poison".

And of course the "poison path" has been a path for me most of my life, and I say that somewhat begrudgingly, I really had no idea what I was doing when I chose this, and now, oye, far too late to turn back!

Poison is also transmuted into "wisdom and compassion", but poison of course is not wisdom and compassion, nor is it sexual energy

In the Tales of Yeshe Tsogyal, the transmutation of poison into "bodhicitta" is told through the story of a group of bandits meeting the Female Buddha and trying to rape her.

Yeshe Tsogyal then transmuted their negative sexual intention into Bodhicitta, and all the bandits turned into her followers. Her response was to love them, even give them what they want. 

"The Peacock" is sacred for this very reason, from the poison of the snake and the insect and the disgusting crawling things on the ground that the peacock consumes, and then transmutes into the beautiful plumes.

Second thing to unpack is the word "power", which translates to "energy" (air, wind element), and the sexual energy is a method to increase all energy.

Posted by: @katrice

It's been my experience that emotional connection helps, but is not completely necessary.  I also don't believe that a partner is completely necessary, though having one certainly does help, and makes it more fun too, which enhances the effect as well. 

May I add a line of demarkation within these practices? Would love to know if you agree and or see something similar, or not.

Solo sexual energy applied to (anything really) is not what I would refer to as "sex magick" proper, but rather a  alchemy yoga practice, preparatory even.

Often used in Taoist practices the way you describe, and immediately it will show quick development anywhere it is focused.

Does not need a partner either in person or in visualization.

But can we say that is the same same same as "sex magick" proper, meaning the type of magick that does more than just alter the "inner state", but magick that can alter consensual reality in a profound way?

Can we make a baby without a "mother and father"?

Here is my own discovery;

  • Emotional connection between the two is the "highest form" (sexual activity is naturally bonding, and nothing should be resisted or refused). 
  • 100% always produce "children" (just be careful what we wish for here, more than one way to make babies)
  • redirecting the energy way from "biological child" to "conceptual child" still requires a loving "mother and father"

Since all of absolute reality/ground state is produced by the "blissful coitus" of mother father (Samantabhadra, Samantabhadri) it is just a matter of directing which type of "child" we want and what type of child we want to raise.

Only bringing this up because we want to "unpack" what works or does not work within the theme "sex magick", which is, again, a very juvenile term that Crowley used for brilliantly marketing Thelema.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Behind the curtain of pornography are some puppet masters using the internet and porn as a social conditioning mechanism. Different players have different agendas.

Hmm, this is a disturbing notion, and one I have not considered, at all. 

Who stands to benefit from the deconstruction of social conditioning mechanisms around sexuality and taboo?

I do not see what any government would have to gain from this, as it would appear to run contrary to "norms" which usually are in service to Caesar, if you know what I mean.

If what you suggest is true, I fear it would be a far darker psychology than I could relate to.

Perhaps it would be a psychology so dark that no one could ever even see its influence, including the psychologies of those running the porn industry.

(shutters)

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Having known a lot of the players on the field. I'd say most are motivated by greed.

ha, funny thing. I've only met one person my entire life in the porn industry, and he was a Thelemite, a practicing magician. Not you by the way, this was another fella.

@shiva wrote

Uh-huh. More Black Magic

Well this is the psychological "danger" with so called "sex magick" is that sexual desire and feeling is "yoked" to every aspect of our psychology, especially our "shadow" self.

I define the shadow self as a component of our mental intelligence that is no more controversial than simply our own "self cherishing".

This creates a problem when an aspect of our psychology is always privately "plotting" towards our own selfish ends, so much so that it has to plot against other elements of our own very private psychology which may wish to serve other options, so therefore this aspect of our selves also "hides" from ourselves too. It is hardest as the individual to actually "reflect" on our private self cherishing natures, and here is where a back door exists for all sorts of weird primordial things.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Stop arguing with idiots! It's a waste of time. Magick is a mostly personal thing anyways.

 

hehe, I hear you buddy! But its not a waste of time if we consider Magick to also be a form of viral marketing, and also about seeding ideas into society and the global discussion. While I agree that magick can be deeply personal, it is also an activity best shared in collaboration, at least from my perspective.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

3. He practiced Sex Magick.

 

 What he actually practiced was nothing more controversial than the power of positive thinking, plus eros. Call it "sex magick" and a whole other set of characters come to the discussion.

Wholistic psychology embraces all components of the human psyche, sexual urges, even "magical thinking" and "fantasy" are all ripe for the practice.

I think where we all find clear agreement is

  • Sex is beyond fun, the most fun we can have without laughing.
  • Sex is energy, and that energy gives "power"
  • Power paths, like poison paths, are neither good nor evil but can be used for good or evil (being dramatic with language to make point)
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

If you're interested in the subject of disruption then I  suggest checking out this thread particularly Pages 3 and 4; 

I've been accused of causing disruption on the forum by introducing popular conversations around "non-duality" as an essential feature of "magick".

Magick is only delusion without the practice of non-duality.

What some call disruption, I call magick.

And by Magick I mean viral marketing... See how @david-dom-lemieux continues to spread these ideas?

"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson


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I missed this bit this actually answered my query about the aim of the mass 'sex energy' action plan;  
 

Posted by: @katrice  

 

Trying to help make a world where more people work to find and pursue their True Wills,  

Crowley said that there are violent Stars who do their True Wills. I think he meant wife-beaters.   It was from a section in his AL commentary.   So according to Crowley then not everyone who 'does their True Will' is necessarily a vegan- SJW who campaigns to keep Andrew Dice Clay off the air.    Personally I'd want wife-beaters to be restrained by the state and husband-beaters too whether they were both "doing their True Will" at the time or not.   Would you?  Therefore cops who do that job are helping me to do my True Will.   However those same cops may be ordered to break up a wild house-party where I'm having a great time and then they are not helping me do my True Will are they?

What you're saying then is too vague and perhaps naive.   We're mammals here.  Each mammal dies if it doesn't get sustenance.  It's a wider political and industrial issue.  We were all born after the formation of the U.N.  Such things are bigger than all of us;  butcher, cop, chicken farmer, Geography teacher,  hardware-store owner, lawyer, scuba-diving instructor etc etc  The luftwaffe literally dropped bombs on my ancestor's apartments trying to kill them.  Where they both doing their True Will at the time?   

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Trying to help make a world where more people   are more accepting of each other's differences in race, gender, sexuality, etc, and want to work together to benefit each other and the world at large while also benefiting ourselves in the process.  

That's called Trade Unionism or Amnesty International or The U.N. or the American Bill of Rights.  They all got there before you lol.   Some may want to crush all Trade Unions and see that as part of their True Will but how do we determine if such types are or aren't doing their True Will?  

Some people may think that everyone only gets to do their True Will when the neck of the last entrepeneur is strangled with the entrails of the last cop.   I'm not so sure about that.  Are you?  

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Crowley said that there are violent Stars who do their True Wills. I think he meant wife-beaters.

Please note that "wife-beaters" is your interpretation of what he meant by "violent." I am not accusing you of fraud, as you said "I think."

An alternative to wife-beating might include Gen Patton or Alexander the Great.

In fact, anybody operating on the first ray has forceful tendencies, and they have quite a push when it comes to what they manifest.

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 So according to Crowley then not everyone who 'does their True Will' is necessarily a vegan- SJW who campaigns to keep Andrew Dice Clay off the air. 

This is true. Many violent meat-eaters in history got their Way Will: Genghis, Mao, Washington, etc.

Please define "SJW.

Who is A.D. Clay?

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Personally I'd want wife-beaters to be restrained by the state and husband-beaters too whether they were both "doing their True Will" at the time or not.   Would you?

If the were "doing their True Will," none (including the State) could say Nay. Spouse-beaters are rarely (if ever) doing their Will, so yeah, call the police.

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cops may be ordered to break up a wild house-party where I'm having a great time and then they are not helping me do my True Will are they?

In such matters, it depends on who wins. "Success if your proof," and essentially, it's the only proof.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

We were all born after the formation of the U.N. 

This is not true. I was born several years before the U.N. was formed.

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Where they both doing their True Will at the time?

Whoever won was the Willer. In your case, if your ancestors lived through the bombing, it was obviously their Will to survive.

Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

... how do we determine if such types are or aren't doing their True Will?  

We see who succeeds. No matter which benevolent leader, or draconian despot, sits on the throne, we must accept that entity, simply because that's the way it is. Historically, we can see many benevolents and many draconians who got removed by some hashishin who was (apparently) doing his/her Will.

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Some people may think that everyone only gets to do their True Will when the neck of the last entrepeneur is strangled with the entrails of the last cop.   I'm not so sure about that.  Are you?  

No. I have trouble deciding if it's my Will to interprete this hypothetical scenario.

 

 


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This is true. Many violent meat-eaters in history got their Way Will: Genghis, Mao, Washington, etc.

Please define "SJW.

Who is A.D. Clay?

Probably best to leave out the definition of SJW as it's probably a dumb media term.  ADC is a banned comedian who came to prominence in the 80s when (what could be argued to be ) racist, sexist and vulgar humour was tolerated moreso.

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Probably best to leave out the definition of SJW

That's okay; I figured it out ...

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This is already happening to a degree. But I think it's rather chaotic and resembles a roomful of monkeys at typewriters. I don't think anything great will come of it.

 

Clearly, networking and alliances may need to happen. 

 

Behind the curtain of pornography are some puppet masters using the internet and porn as a social conditioning mechanism. Different players have different agendas. Most of them just want more clicks and more cash. But there is also an element of anarchy and an attempt to destroy all sexual identities, destroy the family unit, and pervert everything.

This does not surprise me at all.   

 

I remember reading an article in the original Apocalypse Culture by a man who said that he believed that porn had shifted to being more about degradation than about sex.

That said, perhaps sexual identities and the family unit could become more flexible, but not in the way that these people want.

Greed is the most obvious motivator, and most porn likely comes from just that,though.

A new model and approach would be needed, while still taking in income to fund expansion. 

 

The problem with pornography is it can become a substitute for real life sexual experience.

This is true, sadly.

 

Poisons and vices have their uses. But like any poison it is best consumed in small quantities.

 

Indulgence can be a source of power, too, as long as one does not let them become the master. 

 

The problem with Dom is he has no real life experiences. He's never picked up a girl or got in a fight in a bar or sucked a cock for that matter lol.

In all fairness, I've only done two of those things myself, and since getting in to fights in bars isn't on my bucket list, I'll just have to stay at 2 out of 3 lol

 

But also in all fairness, Dom has some interesting things to say sometimes too, when he's not trolling.

 

Women are generally better at sex magick because they get it. It's magick dummy! It defies explanation. It's a kinda sexy kinda fun and very powerful use of sexual energy and intention. It doesn't require belief. It just works.

 

No comment, again. 😉 

 

  Stop arguing with idiots! It's a waste of time. Magick is a mostly personal thing anyways.

Like I mentioned earlier, I do have better things to do.

 

The question was "does sex magick work?"

I think it does when done well with intention and combined with outer world actions.

 

 

Which is how I think magick should be approached in general, combined with outer world actions.

 

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Interesting, if you do not mind I would like to unpack this a bit. Primarily because I said "compassion" and you say "poison".

In particular I was thinking about indulgence and the idea of using that which binds as a tool for initiation, transmuting the poison in to a source of power.  This naturally requires vigilance to make certain that this poison does not become the master rather than the tool.  

Remember also that the kleshas are referred to as poisons.  In fact, my antinomian work as it applies to transgressive actions against my own taboos could be seen as working with dvesa. 

 

 Yeshe Tsogyal 

 

I have read the book "Sky Dancer". The story you mention is another method of transmuting poison.

The Peacock, as you mention, is another good description of the idea.

 

Solo sexual energy applied to (anything really) is not what I would refer to as "sex magick" proper, but rather a  alchemy yoga practice, preparatory even.

I'd argue that it falls under the umbrella of sex magick because it is sexual activity used in applied magickal practice. The term is complicated, though, and I've had arguments with people who say that this thing or that thing is "not sex", usually insisting that vanilla sex between two people is the only thing that qualifies as "sex". 

I've had results from solo sex magick that I've used for outer results, though I admit it has usually been using sex to fuel another type of magick like invocation, evocation, or sigil magick.  

But some schools of thought would say that even solo work involves a sort of "internal copulation", that we all have masculine or feminine presences within us so it does not require an external partner.

"mother and father" are subjective terms, then, because you can have an internal "mother" or "father" in this sense, or have two mothers, one working one role and the other working the other role, or two fathers working the roles, though that last one I naturally can't attest to from personal experience, but I can vouch for the first two as well as the more common "mother and father" in physical forms and roles.  

 

  • Here is my own discovery;

I agree with all of that, and do agree that emotional connection is the highest form, though still not completely necessary.  

 

a very juvenile term that Crowley used for brilliantly marketing Thelema.

Agreed, but it's the term that most people currently understand, so we're stuck with it for now.

 

 

If what you suggest is true, I fear it would be a far darker psychology than I could relate to.

In my explorations, while I've encountered magickal groups that have worked with deconstruction of social conditioning mechanisms around sexuality and taboo as a tool of personal liberation, working to confront one's own conditioning and taboos, which I've mentioned I do in my own work as well, I've only seen reference to one group implied to do this in a malicious way, in terms of acts that violate others' consent, and that group may not actually exist. 

 

I define the shadow self as a component of our mental intelligence that is no more controversial than simply our own "self cherishing".

 and here is where a back door exists for all sorts of weird primordial things.

Exploring and working with the shadow is an essential part of balanced magickal work, in my opinion, and with enough exploration and work, one can make friends with those weird, primordial friends, or at least make them less of an issue. 

 

  • Sex is beyond fun, the most fun we can have without laughing.

  • Sex is energy, and that energy gives "power"

  • Power paths, like poison paths, are neither good nor evil but can be used for good or evil (being dramatic with language to make point)

 

I agree with all of these.  😀 

 


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Behind the curtain of pornography are some puppet masters using the internet and porn as a social conditioning mechanism. Different players have different agendas.

Hmm, this is a disturbing notion, and one I have not considered, at all. 

Who stands to benefit from the deconstruction of social conditioning mechanisms around sexuality and taboo?

I do not see what any government would have to gain from this, as it would appear to run contrary to "norms" which usually are in service to Caesar, if you know what I mean.

If what you suggest is true, I fear it would be a far darker psychology than I could relate to.

Perhaps it would be a psychology so dark that no one could ever even see its influence, including the psychologies of those running the porn industry.

(shutters)

elitemachinery should be commended for being able to honestly reflect upon his experiences, but more so to survive without totally fucking out one's brain to thus make the type of observation and postulate as quoted above. 

Indeed there are puppet masters who have used various forms of vice to condition and entrap people to which it can probably all agreed that the whole culture has been "pornographized" for decades through the soft porns of advertising etc...to which into and part of the conspicuous consumption vacuity the "sex, drugs and rock and roll" gambits were played upon the youth whose yearning for higher consciousness became just escape and various shifts between comfortable numbness and the need for more outrageous sources of stimulation...where thus john doe becomes Joe Blow and Joe Blow the archetype of Joe Blow actually escapes to provide a cautionary tale without becoming anti sex, but certainly 'Experienced" as it would seem that one is a nothing without being experienced...or as William Blake said about excess!

The Bread and Circus and various carnival side shows of the vast burning man of genitals so frictively frictive that the snuff film of the self is seeing ones genitals burst into flames as gasoline becomes the lubricant in the desert whose compulsive heat eventually becomes the Dante's hell of cold as it is a dark winter that is what is the culling on the planet...while in the ivory towers, those who once clamored for free speech seek to censor the truth but not the degradation that is the dissolutions found in the deconstructionists, the Frankfurt School and leagues like the Congress for Cultural Freedom aka the "Sexual Congress for Cultural Fascism" launched by the Aristoteleans for the oligarchy they serve, that sees man as a mere animal  to be lead by base desires and fear, fear of covid, fear of being outside the latest craze....rather than unique beings with the inherent capacities of genius typified by qualities of agape rather than blind eros...

"Every man and woman is a star" is akin to Imago viva Dei, man made in the image of God! 

The following from Liber Legis are interesting in a certain commonality and contrast relevant to the subject at hand~

 in Liber Legis of note is the entire verse of II. 22, with this part extracted for emphasis. "The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man, lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture"

And later at II. 70 (note the number seventy!) we find another exhortation to be strong as well as wise and these words "Be not animal refine thy rapture! If thou drink, drink by the eight and ninety rules of the art: if thou love, exceed by delicacy; and of thou aught joyous, let there be subtlety therein!"

The contrasts are interesting and are part of the instructions relative to "sex magick" that i thought as perhaps relevant to the discussions..

One might say that porn is an exposure of innocence, and a lie,  but that one's manly lust, or woman's, should  be experienced, owned and enjoyed. Certainly Elite Machinery has gone through that test,  and other to varying degrees  can live to attest to the advice perhaps of-  "Be not animal refine thy rapture....if thou love, exceed by delicacy....and subtlety therein!"

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With respect to Pornhub, such a way has already been found ( developed ) and successfully implemented by Fabian Thylmann ( 1978 - ), founder and managing partner of the Internet pornography conglomerate Manwin (now MindGeek). In the late 1990s Thylmann developed software called NATS (Next-generation Affiliate Tracking Software), which enabled website operators to track users' clicks on advertisements and links so that they could be paid commission.

Fabian and mindgeek were "outsiders" who operated in Canada I believe. They initally called themselves porn terrorists. No joke. They created and promoted many of the tube sites and also Brazzers. They decimated and "took out" many of the porn valley players on the field. I was one of Brazzers first dudes. The exposure was good for my "career" but I found myself uncomfortable with the millions of views the scenes were getting and at times being recognized in public. It was too much exposure too soon. Definitely Fabien and his team qualify as behind the scenes puppet masters. But there are financiers and powerful money people hidden behind him in a deeper layer in my opinion. It's not all sinister. Mostly about money. But there are agendas.

...brazzers.com/pornstar/41174/joe-blow (NOT SAFE FOR WORK)

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Who stands to benefit from the deconstruction of social conditioning mechanisms around sexuality and taboo?

pimps and pornographers and their ilk? could simply be a personal vendetta also...sexual repressed people lashing back at the churches of their youth?

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

the whole culture has been "pornographized" for decades through the soft porns of advertising etc

This is a fact of life since the 60s modern day life has been sexualized. Before Pluto went into Scorpio in the early 90s it was not common to admit that you masturbate or watch porn...now it's in open discussions.

The sexualization is not a bad thing really. But the pendulum has swung too far. There has been some push back. Sex and sexuality will continue to be assimilated and conveyed, it will continue to find it's place in mainstream culture. But there must be rules. Absolute anarchy is not a desirable end result. Do what thou wilt...but all actions of consequences.

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where thus john doe becomes Joe Blow and Joe Blow the archetype of Joe Blow actually escapes to provide a cautionary tale without becoming anti sex

My choice of name Joe Blow was a nod to Jon Dough who was a porn legend. I found his name humorous and wanted to follow suit. When he hung himself early in my career (2006) I did have the feeling he left a space for me. We were about the same age.

I was on the set of a Vince Vouyer movie (someone Jon worked with and for often) when I heard the news of his suicide. It was not a happy moment for anyone. I took it as a cautionary warning that things don't always end well in this business. One of many I would experience along the way.

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I've had results from solo sex magick that I've used for outer results, though I admit it has usually been using sex to fuel another type of magick like invocation, evocation, or sigil magick. 

The "sex magick" occurring in porn is mostly unconscious. The internet sex and viewing audiences have no clear intention that I know of other than to get off and express themselves or make money. I suppose there is great possibility in harnessing this energy but it would have to start with the creators and performers and somehow be related to the audience thru behavior as an example moreso than words. Adult performers can at their best be like dancers. Their scene partners are their dance partners. They aren't in "love" they are dance professionals and they put on a good show and are fun to watch. But ideally its not a substitute for the viewers own experiences.

I didn't feel it was my life's mission to carry the torch for sex workers. I didn't think it was worth dying for. But perhaps my words will carry some weight (given my experiences) if I have something to add to the discussion in the future.

I do think sex magick does not need to be done in the formal manner that Crowley taught. I created my own version of sex magick using intention and possibility. I usually sat and meditated and cleared my head and wrote a bit on paper about what I wanted to create before I did a scene. It was mostly so that I would be successful and not fail or embarrass myself too much. But I also wanted it to be fun for all involved. I still have a stack of these notes I took before each scene. I tried to enter each scene with a clear intention and possibility. There were some good moments. But admittedly, it doesn't always show up on the screen.

I would encourage others to create your own unique style of sex magick. Draw from all the different subjects and disciplines that you have studied over the years. Use your personality and the things that interest you or turn you on or the values and behaviors that are important to you. No need to do things Crowley's way. It's all made up.

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"Be not animal refine thy rapture....if thou love, exceed by delicacy....and subtlety therein!"

Liber Al is constantly taking on new meaning. This seems to be for everyone that studies it. I remember joking on porn sets that "Now that I'm in porn I pay girls to hug me." It was an honest statement. The over indulgence of sex had me longing for and appreciating simple human affection and friendship. The truth of that statement almost makes me cry. I'm glad I did it...but i'm even more glad I got out. I'm stronger standing outside the circle. I hope others can draw my experience if needed. But i'm no Dr Ruth lol.

 

 

 


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The problem with Dom is [Moderator's Note: Personal insults removed...] I recommend ignoring him.

Crowley writes about it. The results of doing 

But someone like Dom who has never tried and failed or tried and succeeded at much of anything will eternally troll and be skeptical that the magick this woman was doing had any effect at all on her business.

Stop arguing with idiots! It's a waste of time. Magick is a mostly personal thing anyways.

 

 

Maybe read this below before you make posts like that.

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Maybe read this below before you make posts like that.

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/lashtal-com-announcements/behaviour-on-the-forums/

 

You called the cops on me?! Without punching back?? I'm pretty ripe for trolling...?? Ok, Dom. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I thought anonymous online profiles protected people from public humiliation? Isn't that why people use them? With all the hazing and insults that go on in this place over the years it's rare that I push back. But please Dom maybe you don't have to respond to every post on every thread. I think i've made all of five posts this year if that.


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Maybe read this below before you make posts like that.

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/lashtal-com-announcements/behaviour-on-the-forums/

 

You called the cops on me?! Without punching back?? I'm pretty ripe for trolling...?? Ok, Dom. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I thought anonymous online profiles protected people from public humiliation? Isn't that why people use them? With all the hazing and insults that go on in this place over the years it's rare that I push back. But please Dom maybe you don't have to respond to every post on every thread. I think i've made all of five posts this year if that.

Offended?   Well I don't like propaganda.  It demeans he who spread it and others.   The forum rules apply to all and are there to curb a particular activity.  As for me 'posting on every thread' I usually make threads, there are a fair amount of threads that don't interest me lately and I've hardly posted there actually.   

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I thought anonymous online profiles protected people from public humiliation? Isn't that why people use them?

Not necessarily. Sometimes one is merely evading "the authorities," who are not 7=4s, but Establishment thugs. Sometimes hashishins are after them. The "public humiliation" can reach out to, not an anonymousity, but to an assumed screen name. 

Some people are armor-plated and won't even notice a thrust or a jab, others call the cops at the slightest hint, while a third portion feels the barb and fights back. 

Since we, as planetary subjects, are now being subjected to intense new gradients of energy, we see folks everywhere "showing their asses." This does not mean donkeys or buttocks, but it does mean they are demon-strating their shortcomings and atrocities.

This quaint pronouncement affects all units, including me, you, and any third parties. At this particular intersection in the eternal timeline, I am personally working at not being flippant. "Flippant" means you/I flip others off (with a finger or a fraze. Everybody is sensitive these days.

Either we agree with the antics and paradigms of others, or we disagree and wade in with low blows. The only alternative is to remain neutral ... this might mean not posting at all (or at least sparingly). 

In our present time/space configuration, LAShTAL is in a phase of, um, disruption. Maniacs and false prophets are afoot and up on soap boxes. Disorder is impossible in the inner, so when the outer becomes disordered, the inner withdraws. Bastions of sanity step back from their screens and watch, but say little or not (naught).

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With all the hazing and insults that go on in this place over the years it's rare that I push back.

See? This indicates that (while you were continent-hopping on important external business), the world changed. Subtle or overt insults are now interpreted as "hate crimes," and you better observe "political correctness" or suffer the karma. The old insults are no longer acceptable when served upon the sensitive sensitivities of the sensitive sensitives (S.'.S.'.S.'.S.'.).

 


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The "sex magick" occurring in porn is mostly unconscious. The internet sex and viewing audiences have no clear intention that I know of other than to get off and express themselves or make money. I suppose there is great possibility in harnessing this energy but it would have to start with the creators and performers and somehow be related to the audience thru behavior as an example moreso than words. Adult performers can at their best be like dancers. Their scene partners are their dance partners. They aren't in "love" they are dance professionals and they put on a good show and are fun to watch. But ideally its not a substitute for the viewers own experiences.

 

I agree with all of this, and I do think that working to inspire through example is an important aspect.  I made a comment earlier about scenes, in the bdsm sense, posing as ritual but it can work the other way around too, the two do resemble each other. I don't have to be bdsm, though, it could be a ritual designed as a scene in the movie sense of the word.  And things like prop and set design can be used too, like how Albin Grau incorporated some magick in to Nosferatu, for example, or things like applying William Mortensen's Command to Look. 

 

This is all just my theorizing and connecting it to my egotistical fantasy that I mentioned. 

 

I didn't feel it was my life's mission to carry the torch for sex workers.

Sex workers voices need to be heard, and it's wonderful that you're willing to share your experiences.

 

 I would encourage others to create your own unique style of sex magick. Draw from all the different subjects and disciplines that you have studied over the years. Use your personality and the things that interest you or turn you on or the values and behaviors that are important to you. No need to do things Crowley's way. It's all made up.

 

I've done that long ago.  I experimented with the original formula, studied more, and learned how to apply what worked for me in my own way.  I think that's the path than any serious practitioner follows for any kind of magick.  

 

The sexualization is not a bad thing really. But the pendulum has swung too far. There has been some push back. Sex and sexuality will continue to be assimilated and conveyed, it will continue to find it's place in mainstream culture.

I'm all for more awareness and acceptance, but it will naturally invite pushback from more puritanical sectors, with the darker forces you mention only contributing to that pushback by giving the puritans more material to get outraged over.

Sexuality will continue to be assimilated and conveyed simply because sex sells.  That can have positive and negative effects. 

 

"Be not animal refine thy rapture....if thou love, exceed by delicacy....and subtlety therein!"

 

Refining your rapture can also mean keeping things fresh, helping them retain their power, finding new ways to explore your indulgences and also working to deepen the way that you enjoy them. 

 


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In our present time/space configuration, LAShTAL is in a phase of, um, disruption. Maniacs and false prophets are afoot and up on soap boxes.

Disruption!

False Prophets!

Apocalypse!

Warning!

All is naught aught! (it ain't alright)

Forum posters who once dominated discussions, restricting the fun loving expression and collaboration with others as "good or evil" have now taken their seats in the Equinox of the Forum Gods, and are really bummed about this. 

Thou shalt only post crazy occult concepts which have been deemed "acceptable" by the forum gods!

Any claims of magickal discovery or stories about magical adventures are solely restricted to those whom have already died and anyone else making such claims treat with extreme suspicion, paranoia, and even a little abuse!

False prophets and Choronzon are waiting around every dark corner should ye fail to heed this warning!

Your best shot at survival is through the expression of cynicism and passive aggressive communication!

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This is all just my theorizing and connecting it to my egotistical fantasy that I mentioned. 

 

You say egotistical fantasy, I say visionary architecture. Keep it going 🙂

No need to downgrade your conceptual architecture to appease the forum Gods, your thinking is shameless, loud, and PROUD.

If you don't do it, who else will?

 

 

 

 

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Any claims of magickal discovery or stories about magical adventures are solely restricted to those whom have already died and anyone else making such claims treat with extreme suspicion, paranoia, and even a little abuse!

Your best shot at survival is through the expression of cynicism and passive aggressive communication!

Skepticism is healthy, and essential in magickal practice, but if your approach is to start looking at everything from the viewpoint of "Let's see how much this sucks!", you're going to screen out everything but what sucks. 

How does that quote go?  What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.

 

Disruption!

False Prophets!

Apocalypse!

Warning!

All is naught aught! (it ain't alright)

Dogs and cats living together!  Mass hysteria! 

 

You say egotistical fantasy, I say visionary architecture. Keep it going 🙂

No need to downgrade your conceptual architecture to appease the forum Gods,If you don't do it, who else will?

I plan to keep it going, and don't care what the forum gods say.  

 

your thinking is shameless, loud, and PROUD.

Thank you!!!  😀 

 

You do have to admit, though, wanting to create a network like this, informed by Thelema and combined with inspiration from the ideas of an obscure 1930s cult leader, is a bit out there.  But not too egotistical because I want it be all about the Work, with me just being the one who sparked it.  One of Maria's mistakes as letting herself become such a figurehead that it all fell apart without her.   


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