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Hi,

Finally I get to join the forums. I've been following the web site for a while but haven't actually joined here.

I've been interested in Thelema off-and-on for several years, but every time I try to figure it out, I get more confused. It doesn't help that I don't know any Thelemites in person, so I've been largely alone on this quest thus far. It is also compacted by the fact that I am completely blind, so a lot of the diagrams and such are lost on me, and my reading selection is a little limited, unless I can scan the books. I'm also in college, so I'm a little limited in what I can do, and my time for ritual is limited to the time the roommate is not in the room. I don't mean to sound like I'm making a million excuses; I'm just trying to give a general background and lay out the problems upfront.

The most I've been able to do for now is the LBRP, since that is pretty simple, but at the moment I am not using any actual tools to do so.

Tools are a completely different matter entirely. I've heard of people making their own tools, or at least engraving words, numbers, or designs into their tools. I feel like all of this is a bit beyond my capabilities at the moment. I just got a wand finally; it has clear quartz at both ends, a copper tube in the middle, and rosewood around it. It's the best I could get my hands on for now. I'm also in the process of getting an athame, as well as chalice and bell. I'm not sure how to obtain the pentacle, and at the moment I have nothing to dedicate as an altar. I've seen portable altars around, so I don't know if that's the best route, or just to use an existing desk. Oh I don't have a robe yet either, which I've heard is preferred?

Now I have a wand, and I'm not sure how to consecrate it according to such traditions. I used to practice so-called low-magick, and such things were a bit more flexible and easier, but I want to make sure I'm doing everything as properly as I am capable. I had heard that oil of Abramelin can be used for consecration, so I am in the process of obtaining that as well. I'm not exactly sure of the actual process of consecration though, besides perhaps anointing it with the oil.

So that's an introduction to my problems. I've not gotten into the other things, like assuming God forms and such, not knowing what such forms look like. I'd be interested in practicing Liber Resh, but I know that this at minimum requires I believe the sign of silence. I think I know this but am not certain.

So I think that's a pretty good start. If I could get any advice on how to overcome these obstacles, that would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to do this off-and-on for probably about eight years, but now I feel like I have a little more freedom and more resources to progress further along this path. If anyone could similarly recommend a good course of action for me to take to make my introduction to this a bit easier, that would also be great.

Thanks,
Brandon


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Welcome to Lashtal!

Lashtal is frequented by many Thelema experts, who are usually more than happy to discuss & answer any questions you may have. One thing to be mindful of though, is that the emphasis is more toward Aleister Crowley than anything else.


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Brandon,

Most of us began by thinking that we had to follow rules of ritual by the letter, experience has taught us that this is not so. Please, please do not be afraid to experiment, much of magic talks of visualizing this or that but you are at no loss for being blind as you have other active senses and can imagine so you are only limited by that. As for forms of words, use whatever is evocative, whatever moves you. I often use poetry because some of the written invocations leave me bored and I can barely be bothered to read them to the end. It is what moves you what fires up your imagination that is what will work.

There are various structures that you can use for making your own rites and rituals, Crowley was an excellent ritualist, but you can start simple and works up, so to speak. Austin Spare made his magic basic and all the more powerful for that, so constrained by your circumstances work within them. I have successfully carried out self-initiation rites using pure inner space rituals, spoken with spirits and experienced stunning synchronicities. There is nothing at all unique is this experience and many others on this site and elsewhere can attest to this.

Good luck and happy experimenting!

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"James" wrote:
Brandon,

Most of us began by thinking that we had to follow rules of ritual by the letter, experience has taught us that this is not so. Please, please do not be afraid to experiment, much of magic talks of visualizing this or that but you are at no loss for being blind as you have other active senses and can imagine so you are only limited by that. As for forms of words, use whatever is evocative, whatever moves you. I often use poetry because some of the written invocations leave me bored and I can barely be bothered to read them to the end. It is what moves you what fires up your imagination that is what will work.

There are various structures that you can use for making your own rites and rituals, Crowley was an excellent ritualist, but you can start simple and works up, so to speak. Austin Spare made his magic basic and all the more powerful for that, so constrained by your circumstances work within them. I have successfully carried out self-initiation rites using pure inner space rituals, spoken with spirits and experienced stunning synchronicities. There is nothing at all unique is this experience and many others on this site and elsewhere can attest to this.

Good luck and happy experimenting!

Regards
Jamie

Thanks for your advice. That is relieving to know that I can experiment and adapt to my own situation. So much of it, when reading the rituals and such, seems so inflexible and like every little thing is of vital importance.

I don't even know where to start, though, with making my own rituals. To you have any recommendations to this end?

I guess the main thing now is that I don't even know where to start, so it can get overwhelming if I try to attack everything all at once. I need a plan of action to gradually work through everything. Like I said, I know the LBRP and I try to practice that as much as possible, but I'm not sure where to go from here.

Thanks again for your advice. 🙂

Brandon


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93,

Welcome out of the lurking corner! 🙂

"devbanana" wrote:
Hi,

Finally I get to join the forums. I've been following the web site for a while but haven't actually joined here.

I've been interested in Thelema off-and-on for several years, but every time I try to figure it out, I get more confused. It doesn't help that I don't know any Thelemites in person, so I've been largely alone on this quest thus far. It is also compacted by the fact that I am completely blind, so a lot of the diagrams and such are lost on me, and my reading selection is a little limited, unless I can scan the books. I'm also in college, so I'm a little limited in what I can do, and my time for ritual is limited to the time the roommate is not in the room. I don't mean to sound like I'm making a million excuses; I'm just trying to give a general background and lay out the problems upfront.

There's a difference between dealing with obstacles and making excuses, though the line can be a fine one. No worries.

The most I've been able to do for now is the LBRP, since that is pretty simple, but at the moment I am not using any actual tools to do so.

You know, there are many who don't even do that!

Tools are a completely different matter entirely. I've heard of people making their own tools, or at least engraving words, numbers, or designs into their tools. I feel like all of this is a bit beyond my capabilities at the moment. I just got a wand finally; it has clear quartz at both ends, a copper tube in the middle, and rosewood around it. It's the best I could get my hands on for now. I'm also in the process of getting an athame, as well as chalice and bell. I'm not sure how to obtain the pentacle, and at the moment I have nothing to dedicate as an altar. I've seen portable altars around, so I don't know if that's the best route, or just to use an existing desk. Oh I don't have a robe yet either, which I've heard is preferred?

My first tools consisted of a pewter ornate knife (Dagger/Sword), a set of silver chalices (Cup), a walking stick I've had since I was little (Wand), a piece of black extension cord about 3 feet long (Scourge), a metal/glass oil burner (Thurible), and my Pantacle was a sort of gold-plated talisman handed down to me with a cross on one side and hexagram on the other.

It's important to know what use the tools actually have, which is indicated by their symbolic meanings. The more familiar you become with the tools, the less you will need them in your ritual, if that makes any sense.

Now I have a wand, and I'm not sure how to consecrate it according to such traditions. I used to practice so-called low-magick, and such things were a bit more flexible and easier, but I want to make sure I'm doing everything as properly as I am capable. I had heard that oil of Abramelin can be used for consecration, so I am in the process of obtaining that as well. I'm not exactly sure of the actual process of consecration though, besides perhaps anointing it with the oil.

Liber A vel Armorum sub figura CSXII

Also, from Book 4...

"Consecration is the active dedication of a thing to a single purpose. Banishing prevents its use for any other purpose, but it remains inert until consecrated. Purification is performed by water, and banishing by air, whose weapon is the sword. Consecration is performed by fire, usually symbolised by the holy lamp.

The general conception is that the three active elements co-operate to affect earth; but earth itself may be employed as an instrument. Its function is solidification. The use of the Pentacle is indeed very necessary in some types of operation, especially those whose object involves manifestation in matter, and the fixation in (more or less) permanent form of the subtle forces of Nature.

In most extant magical rituals the two operations are performed at once; or (at least) the banishing has the more important place, and greater pains seem to be taken with it; but as the student advances to Adeptship the banishing will diminish in importance, for it will no longer be so necessary. The Circle of the Magician will have been perfected by his habit of Magical work. In the truest sense of that word, he will never step outside the Circle during his whole life. But the consecration, being the application of a positive force, can always be raised to a closer approximation to perfection. Complete success in banishing is soon attained; but there can be no completeness in the advance to holiness.

The method of consecration is very simple. Take the wand, or the holy oil, and draw upon the object to be consecrated the supreme symbol of the force to which you dedicate it. Confirm this dedication in words, invoking the appropriate God to indwell that pure temple which you have prepared for Him. Do this with fervour and love, as if to balance the icy detachment which is the proper mental attitude for banishing.

The Hebrew legends furnish us with the reason for the respective virtues of water and fire. The world was purified by water at the Deluge, and will be consecrated by fire at the last Judgment. Not until that is finished can the "real ceremony" begin.

The words of purification are: Asperges me, Therion, hyssopo, et mundabor; lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.

Those of consecration are: Accendat in nobis Therion ignem sui amoris et flammam aeternae caritatis.

These may now advantageously be replaced by (a) "... pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect." (CCXX, I, 44) to banish; and (b) "I am uplifted in thine heart; and the kisses of the stars rain hard upon thy body." (CCXX, II, 62) to consecrate. For the Book of the Law contains the Supreme Spells.

These, as initiates of the VII Degree of O.T.O. are aware, mean more than appears."

The quoted portion can be found here.

So that's an introduction to my problems. I've not gotten into the other things, like assuming God forms and such, not knowing what such forms look like. I'd be interested in practicing Liber Resh, but I know that this at minimum requires I believe the sign of silence. I think I know this but am not certain.

Liber O

So I think that's a pretty good start. If I could get any advice on how to overcome these obstacles, that would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to do this off-and-on for probably about eight years, but now I feel like I have a little more freedom and more resources to progress further along this path. If anyone could similarly recommend a good course of action for me to take to make my introduction to this a bit easier, that would also be great.

Thanks,
Brandon

Best wishes in the Great Work!

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Azidonis, thank you so much for your detailed reply.

I just have a couple of questions in clarification:

1. I don't even know to which force I am dedicating it, or what is proper. Could you give some examples?
2. What is the method of banishing? Just the LBRP?

Thank you for all of the links.


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Hi,

OK, I guess I'd like to start from here. I've recently gotten a wand, and the dagger will be coming soon, as well as the oil. Can someone tell me very simply how to consecrate these, or whatever needs to be done in order to begin using them in ritual? Someone had also mentioned banishing, but I don't know what needs to be done in that regard, as well as purification.

My second question is this: can someone very simply describe the sign of silence? I have seen descriptions of it, but they usually refer to an illustration as well, so I'm not sure if all the detail is included. How I understand it is that you start with the sign of Harpocrates, which I understand to be the right forefinger upon the lips, though I'm not sure if it is to be arranged horrizontally or vertically, or even if that matters. Then from what I've read, one brings the left foot to meet the right, drop the right hand, and bring the left hand up to place the left forefinger upon the bottom lip.

My final question si about Liber Resh. Is all that needs to be done to recite what it says to recite for the time of day, then to do the sign of silence? It says to begin with the sign of one's grade, but I don't have a grade. 😛 It also suggests assuming the form of the God being hailed at that point of the day, but I don't know any of those forms.

If anyone could answer any or all of these questions, I would really appreciate it. Especially with consecration, since I want to do that as soon as possible.


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93,

"devbanana" wrote:
I just have a couple of questions in clarification:

1. I don't even know to which force I am dedicating it, or what is proper. Could you give some examples?

Which force? Nuit and the Great Work. In the name of your Holy Guardian Angel.

2. What is the method of banishing? Just the LBRP?

Read Liber O. Also, The Star Ruby in place of the LBRP.

Hi,

OK, I guess I'd like to start from here. I've recently gotten a wand, and the dagger will be coming soon, as well as the oil. Can someone tell me very simply how to consecrate these, or whatever needs to be done in order to begin using them in ritual? Someone had also mentioned banishing, but I don't know what needs to be done in that regard, as well as purification.

I've given you all the material you need to perform the operation...

My second question is this: can someone very simply describe the sign of silence? I have seen descriptions of it, but they usually refer to an illustration as well, so I'm not sure if all the detail is included. How I understand it is that you start with the sign of Harpocrates, which I understand to be the right forefinger upon the lips, though I'm not sure if it is to be arranged horrizontally or vertically, or even if that matters. Then from what I've read, one brings the left foot to meet the right, drop the right hand, and bring the left hand up to place the left forefinger upon the bottom lip.

Read Book 4, if you can find an available means to do so.

In the mean time, The Sign of Silence consists simply of touching your left forefinger to your lower lip, vertically, and bringing the right hand to your side with your fist closed, thumb on top, pointing downwards. When returning from The Sign of the Enterer, stomp your

foot.

My final question si about Liber Resh. Is all that needs to be done to recite what it says to recite for the time of day, then to do the sign of silence? It says to begin with the sign of one's grade, but I don't have a grade. 😛 It also suggests assuming the form of the God being hailed at that point of the day, but I don't know any of those forms.

You could use The Sign of the Enterer, which consists of drawing your hands up to your ears, forefingers pointed forward, then stepping forward with your right foot as you move your arms outward. Your hands should come together as your two forefingers meet, still pointing forward.

If you do not have a Grade, and it is not your Will to use the Sign of the Enterer, then go here.

If anyone could answer any or all of these questions, I would really appreciate it. Especially with consecration, since I want to do that as soon as possible.

As aforesaid, I've given you all of the materials you need for this. If some of them are inaccessible, please say so, so that other means to impart the information can be found.

Ultimately, consider what consecration really is. The more you focus on what it really is, the better. Magick is about personal transformation in some cases, and the act of consecrating an item doesn't necessarily transform the item inasmuch as it transforms your view of the item, which allows the desired result to occur.

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"Azidonis" wrote:
Which force? Nuit and the Great Work. In the name of your Holy Guardian Angel.

Thanks. Does it matter which symbol you draw upon the object? I've seen reference to drawing an equal-armed cross. What is preferable?

"Azidonis" wrote:
Read Liber O. Also, The Star Ruby in place of the LBRP.

Thanks. My only question about the Star Ruby is what are the "signs of N.O.X."?

"Azidonis" wrote:
I've given you all the material you need to perform the operation...

I know, and I appreciate it. I was just confused about a few of the items involved in it, such as the symbol as mentioned above.

"Azidonis" wrote:
Read Book 4, if you can find an available means to do so.

In the mean time, The Sign of Silence consists simply of touching your left forefinger to your lower lip, vertically, and bringing the right hand to your side with your fist closed, thumb on top, pointing downwards. When returning from The Sign of the Enterer, stomp your

foot.

Thanks, that makes sense. The only difference is that I've heard that you stomp the left foot.

"Azidonis" wrote:
You could use The Sign of the Enterer, which consists of drawing your hands up to your ears, forefingers pointed forward, then stepping forward with your right foot as you move your arms outward. Your hands should come together as your two forefingers meet, still pointing forward.

If you do not have a Grade, and it is not your Will to use the Sign of the Enterer, then go here.

Thank you; that makes sense. That thread also says to use certain God forms for each part of the day. Are these necessary? I do not know these God forms.

"Azidonis" wrote:
As aforesaid, I've given you all of the materials you need for this. If some of them are inaccessible, please say so, so that other means to impart the information can be found.

Ultimately, consider what consecration really is. The more you focus on what it really is, the better. Magick is about personal transformation in some cases, and the act of consecrating an item doesn't necessarily transform the item inasmuch as it transforms your view of the item, which allows the desired result to occur.

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Like i said, the only things that are inaccessible are when they show diagrams or illustrations. I can only read the text that is displayed.

I appreciate your assistance.

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93,

"devbanana" wrote:
Thanks. Does it matter which symbol you draw upon the object? I've seen reference to drawing an equal-armed cross. What is preferable?

Liber A vel Armorum sub figura CDXII in its entirety (though I'm not sure it's allowed by the Guidelines?):

"
" ... the obeah and the wanga; the work of the wand and the work of the sword; these he shall learn and teach." Liber AL, I, 37.

The Pantacle.

Take pure wax, or a plate of gold, silver-gilt or Electrum Magicum. The diameter shall be eight inches, and the thickness half an inch.
Let the Neophyte by his understanding and ingenium devise a symbol to represent the Universe.
Let his Zelator approve thereof.
Let the Neophyte engrave the same upon the plate with his own hand and weapon.
Let it when finished be consecrated as he hath skill to perform, and kept wrapped in silk of emerald green.

The Dagger.

Let the Zelator take a piece of pure steel, and beat it, grind it, sharpen it, and polish it, according to the art of the swordsmith.
Let him further take a piece of oak wood, and carve a hilt. The length shall be eight inches.
Let him by his understanding and ingenium devise a Word to represent the Universe.
Let his Practicus approve thereof.
Let the Zelator engrave the same upon his dagger with his own hand and instruments.
Let him further gild the wood of his hilt.
Let it when finished be consecrated as he hath skill to perform, and kept wrapped in silk of golden yellow.

The Cup.

Let the Practicus take a piece of Silver and fashion therefrom a cup. The height shall be 8 inches, and the diameter 3 inches.
Let him by his understanding and ingenium devise a Number to represent the Universe.
Let his Philosophus approve thereof.
Let the Practicus engrave the same upon his cup with his own hand and instrument.
Let it when finished be consecrated as he hath skill to perform, and kept wrapped in silk of azure blue.

The Baculum.

Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold.
Let him by his understanding and ingenium devise a Deed to represent the Universe.
Let his Dominus Liminis approve thereof.
Let the Philosophus perform the same in such a way that the Baculum may be partaker therein.
Let it when finished be consecrated as he hath skill to perform, and kept wrapped in silk of fiery scarlet.

The Lamp.

Let the Dominus Liminis take pure lead, tin, and quicksilver, with platinum, and, if need be, glass.
Let him by his understanding and ingenium devise a Magick Lamp that shall burn without wick or oil, being fed by the Aethyr.
This shall he accomplish secretly and apart, without asking the advice or approval of his Adeptus Minor.
Let the Dominus Liminis keep it when consecrated in the secret chamber of Art.
This then is that which is written: "Bring furnished with complete armour and armed, he is similar to the goddess."
And again, "I am armed, I am armed."
"

As you can see, it is really up to you to figure out what symbols you want to consecrate your own weapons with.

Thanks. My only question about the Star Ruby is what are the "signs of N.O.X."?

From Thelemapedia

"Common title: Puer. Khem. Horus and Mentu.
Letter of NOX: N
A.'.A.'. grade: 6°=5#
Description: Right arm forms an "L", with closed hand, thumb pointing towards the head. Closed left hand rests at the base of the torso, thumb pointing away from the body.

Common title: Vir. Pater. Amoun. Attitude of Pan or Bacchus.
Letter of NOX: O
A.'.A.'. grade: 7°=4#
Description: Place closed hands at the temples with thumbs facing outwards, resembling horns.

Common title: Puella. Venus Pudica. The Sign of Chastity.
A.'.A.'. grade: Babe of the Abyss
Description: Standing upright, place open right hand over the breast, and the open left hand over the groin.

Common title: Mulier. Isis in Welcome. Sign of Babalon. Attitude of Baphomet.
Letter of NOX: X
A.'.A.'. grade: Babe of the Abyss
Description: Arms form a 90° angle above head, elbows bent slightly, with hands open. Feet are a little over shoulder width apart, facing forward. Head looks upwards.

Common title: Isis Rejoicing. Mater Triumphans. Isis with Horus.
A.'.A.'. grade: 8°=3#
Description: Head looking downwards, the right hand pinches the left nipple, while the left hand cradles just below solar plexus, as if holding a baby."

I know, and I appreciate it. I was just confused about a few of the items involved in it, such as the symbol as mentioned above.

The links I provided... are you able to access them correctly?

Thanks, that makes sense. The only difference is that I've heard that you stomp the left foot.

It's the left, officially... (I use both forms for some odd reason. I am left handed, so I usually do it backwards, I suppose... right foot out, left hand on the lip.)

From Thelemapedia

"Common title: The Enterer. Horus.
A.'.A.'. grade: 0°=0#
Description: The Sign of the Enterer is performed by taking a step forward with the left foot, and then leaning the body forward while thrusting out with both hands, fingers outstretched, as if reaching for something.

Common title: Silence. Harpocrates.
A.'.A.'. grade: 0°=0#
Description: Standing upright, left hand at the side, place the tip of the index finger of the right hand just on the lower lip."

Thank you; that makes sense. That thread also says to use certain God forms for each part of the day. Are these necessary? I do not know these God forms.

Again, from Thelemapedia

"Common title: Earth. The God Set fighting.
A.'.A.'. grade: 1°=10#
Description: Advance the right foot, and swing the right arm up and forward at a 45° angle, with the left arm back and down, also at a 45° angle.

Common title: Air. The God Shu supporting the sky.
A.'.A.'. grade: 2°=9#
Description: Arms raised, elbows bent 90°, forearms vertical, with wrists bent as though holding up the sky.

Common title: Water. The Goddess Auramoth.
A.'.A.'. grade: 3°=8#
Description: With thumbs and index fingers, place the hands together on the torso, forming a downward-pointing triangle.

Common title: Fire. The Goddess Thoum-aesh-neith.
A.'.A.'. grade: 4°=7#
Description: With thumbs and index fingers, place the hands together on the forehead, forming an upward-pointing triangle.

Common title: Spirit. The Rending and Closing of the Veil
A.'.A.'. grade: Dominus Liminis
Description: Properly speaking, this is two different signs, where the magician is either tearing open a split veil or closing it. The forearms should be roughly parallel to the floor."

For the sake of completeness, and since if this post is indeed in any violation of the Guidelines (my apologies Paul), I may as well put the L.V.X. Signs here too...

"Common title: Osiris Slain. The Cross.
Letter of LVX: [+]
A.'.A.'. grade: 5°=6#
Description: At shoulder level, hold arms straight out at the sides to form a cross.

Common title: Isis Mourning. The Svastika.
Letter of LVX: L
A.'.A.'. grade: 5°=6#
Description: Right arm is bent at 90°, upper arm parallel with the ground, forearm pointing upwards, fingers extended. Left arm is the same, but with the forearm arm pointing downwards. Head faces to the left and down. Right foot rests on its ball, with the knee bent.

Common title: Typhon. The Trident.
Letter of LVX: V
A.'.A.'. grade: 5°=6#
Description: Raise arms above the head at an angle of 60° to each other, and throw the head back, as if looking upwards. Stand up on the balls of both feet.

Common title: Osiris Risen. The Pentagram. Attitude of Resurrection.
Letter of LVX: X
A.'.A.'. grade: 5°=6#
Description: Standing upright, cross the arms over the chest, right over left, so that the open hands rest on the shoulders."

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Thank you for your patience and your explanations. I'm sorry if it seems I am slow on the uptake, but like I said, it is overwhelming and confusing for me right now.

I can access the links, but everything seems so scattered that I don't know where to find what. I'm getting better but it is still a challenge.

Regarding Liber A, I understand you now. However, this is what I was talking about before. It says that you must engrave certain things on your instruments, but this is beyond my capability right now.

Also, I don't know the symbolism of Thelema well enough yet to come up with one, nor do I know what the symbols look like to begin with. I'm just trying to explain my limitations.

Thanks for your explanations though. I stumbled upon most of them throughout the evening as I was trying to learn the Star Ruby. I'm starting to understand more, but it is still very scattered for me, and I am still trying to make all of the connections in my mind.

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93,

"devbanana" wrote:
93

Thank you for your patience and your explanations. I'm sorry if it seems I am slow on the uptake, but like I said, it is overwhelming and confusing for me right now.

I can access the links, but everything seems so scattered that I don't know where to find what. I'm getting better but it is still a challenge.

Regarding Liber A, I understand you now. However, this is what I was talking about before. It says that you must engrave certain things on your instruments, but this is beyond my capability right now.

Also, I don't know the symbolism of Thelema well enough yet to come up with one, nor do I know what the symbols look like to begin with. I'm just trying to explain my limitations.

Thanks for your explanations though. I stumbled upon most of them throughout the evening as I was trying to learn the Star Ruby. I'm starting to understand more, but it is still very scattered for me, and I am still trying to make all of the connections in my mind.

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You can consecrate your intended implements without engraving them. It's a viable option until you become more familiar with your own symbol set and the general symbol set of Thelema. Then, later on, you can always "reconsecrate" them once you implement the symbols.

It is very important to consider, as I said before, what consecration actually is. Once you figure out what it actually is, you may not be so worried about the tools.

Best of luck in the Great Work.

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