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04/07/2015 7:12 am  

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I need the help of Seere for a very serious issue in my life.

I need to create a Goetic circl.  Can aanyone help out?

Are there any stencils or anything? I'd make it on silk and need it done in a couple weeks as my deadline is the end of this month for this serious issue to come full circle.

I would by one because I'm on a time crunch, but don't thin. I ccan afford them being $500+ from what I've seen.

Thanks.

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04/07/2015 4:57 pm  

One economical alternative you might consider is chalk.


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04/07/2015 7:19 pm  

Goetic Circle of Evocation Printed on parchment paper. 8.5" x 11" (EPGOE) List Price: $1.95
Our Price: $1.85
See it & get it at: http://www.onestopoccultshop.com/store/expressions/posters/poster-goetic-circle.aspx  

On the other hand, what is this belief (yes, it's a belief) that you need anything other than a chalk circle on the floor (as suggested), or paint, or a rope, or a circle drawn in the dirt with a dagger, or a round rug, etc?  Ans since the circle represents the aura of the magician, why the need for any circle.

OK, if you're doing serious magic, then you'll want a circle. But why the elaborate insistence upon an outdated, old aeon circle? Oh well, enough asked in that regard.

Here ... open this in Paint; color it; print it out.

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By the way, you didn't say if you wanted a small tabletop version or a full scale stand-in-the-middle version.

While there may be those of us who appreciate that you are facing a life-crisis 😮 (employment? love? bewitching your neighbor's cow? health? drug dependency? debt? did I forget any category of tribulation?), the basic modus of Magick is that you use your ingenuity and somehow get the deed done under your own motive force. Asking for help on a semi-public forum indicates that you are a beginner, and if you're resorting to evocation in :important" matters, and you don't have the wherewithall to put the operatory into shape by yourself ... be very careful as these things sometimes backfire and cause a lot of flashbang and smoke.

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04/07/2015 7:31 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
On the other hand, what is this belief (yes, it's a belief) that you need anything other than a chalk circle on the floor (as suggested), or paint, or a rope, or a circle drawn in the dirt with a dagger, or a round rug, etc?

Why even a physical circle? You might try to use an "astral temple": build up a temple in your imagination and "decorate" it over the course of many days (weeks, months, years) of visualization. You might do a physical LBRP before meditating, or you might just do the whole thing in your mind. If cost and space are problems, then this is a workable solution. 

Ans since the circle represents the aura of the magician, why the need for any circle.

While I'm inclined to agree with you, remember that ritual involves a kind of psychodrama that is useful at certain stages on the path. It's more potent to *symbolize* the aura with a circle than to just tell yourself that you're technically "always" in a circle of sorts....


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04/07/2015 7:52 pm  

And if you don't make a good circle, the demons might get you.
If you follow my suggestion of chalk, be sure to hide the erasers where the demons can't find them; see The Vision and The Voice and other accounts of AC and Neuberg's Choronzon working.
Shiva is probablry right that other avenues may more effectively address your current life crisis.


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04/07/2015 7:56 pm  

Agreed (with Los). And I think I admitted that some folks ("beginner") probably need the external reinforcement. At one end of the spectrum we have the elaborate (copied out of the book) apparatus, which is expensive even if you "make your own" stuff." That is, unless you're willing to substitute brass for gold, paper for parchment, and polyester for silk. I can remember when I was in this position, although as being involved in dentistry allowed me to have access to gold. So I'm not trying to be insulting or condescending.

At the other end of the spectrum we find the Magister who (should be) is able to think about a result ... and lo, it cometh on the wind. Well, good luck on this scenario, but it's probably what what most beginners hope to acheive in the long run 😀

Now, in the middle range of the spectrum, I am of those who think everything should be made up from scratch by the magician ... or at least purchased at a thrift store and polished up into armor. I have spoken out against "armchair magicians" who purchase their Abramelin Oil from chemists ... rather than distilling the basic oils out of plants and resins, and blending the final product themselves. And then some rather prominent posters took a view opposite to mine. 😮  So there's many a way to skin an Abramelin demon, and whatever works for you is obviously the bottom line.


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05/07/2015 1:21 am  

93

I thank all for the input & insight.

I am a beginner, but I am also a 0* so while I do have guidance, I do a lot of my research on my own and online and have been a lurking, semi-active member of this forum for a few years now and I don't even know of any private forums, nor have been invited to, so this is it for now.

I need/want a full scale, stand in the middle circle.  I am going for a real evocation of Seere to help me.

Chalk is a fabulous idea, although I will be doing this on carpet, so it might not be the easiest to clean up, but I guess a good vacuuming will get the job done.

But how will I add the proper names & words between the two circles?  Should I just print them out and lay them around it?  I understand that using gold and the finest materials really isn't needed and that thought, imagination and some basic elements for symbolism is all that a Magician really needs, so I am willing to improvise to get the mission accomplished. 

I am going with this age old circle, because I am just following instructions of the texts from my research.  If anyone has a better & equally as effective circle to create, I am all ears.

I agree making as much stuff yourself as you can is very important, especially the circle, but I am limited on time. 

The deadline is July 29th.  It is my trial date for a serious crime that I am innocent of, but facing at least 10 years in prison because of.  I am scared to death, my back is against the wall, I am as desperate as I've ever been my entire existence and I am close to losing my life literally & figuratively.  I have been at my absolute breaking point & the only thing keeping me from it is that I am a father who adores his son more than anything in the world.  And to be in a falsely accused position of being taken away from him, I can not live with the wrong results.

It is said that if you are justified in your Will & Demand, that you have the entire power of The Universe behind you.  I need all of the help I can get, some things are just out of my hands and I need to tap into whatever supernatural power is out there to get me through this with a not guilty verdict. 

I need it, because I will not make it out of this situation alive if I am wrongfully convicted.

So please, all that can help, please do.  This is a very serious matter and I will go to all costs and ends to prove my innocence to be with my son.

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05/07/2015 1:49 am  

Ouch! Bad News! Try using the Abramelin talisman To gain the affection of a Judge. It always worked for me and those close to me and even for A.C. when he appealed the GD Ritual Injunction and won, thus paving the way for Equinox I-III.


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05/07/2015 1:55 am  

If it were me I'd be looking for the most competent, nasty lawyer I could find. A real shark. I mean...the justice system being what it is in this country. Just a thought.

Edit: cover all bases. And best wishes!


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05/07/2015 2:39 am  

The "operation" most likely to yield success would be the evocation of a competent lawyer. Assuming that you have one, you could always go in for a consultation ("conjure" the lawyer to "visible appearance") and ask him what you could be doing. If the answer is nothing -- as it likely will be -- then spend the money you were going to spend on a "magic circle" on a really nice new suit, new haircut, etc. Make yourself as presentable as possible.

Since you're actually innocent, that might make it easier to win (or, at least, it won't hurt). It's out of your control, though. Spend the next few weeks cherishing your life and your time with your son. If you're looking for "magical operations" to do, I would focus on banishing and consecration (do the Watchtower ritual routinely if you already know it and it's pleasing to you). Set aside at least fifteen minutes each day simply to sit and watch your breath. Do not beat yourself up with the thought that there's something *you* can do that will magically solve your problem. There's really not, and there's no sense in making yourself feel like you have some responsibility to magically save the day. Take every mundane step that you know of, and then rest assured that you are doing everything in your power to actually affect the outcome.

Best of luck to you in a truly difficult situation.


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05/07/2015 3:41 am  

Such a deep deep situation, I appreciate everyone's support.

I have an attorney, supposedly one of the best that is possible.  I also have a good judge.  But the charges against me are severe.  They are weapons charges.

I am a good man, I have lead a good life... for the most part, I really have.  This is one of the most unjust situations I've ever heard of.  This couldn't have happened to a better man.  There is much to the story, but I am truly innocent.

I have had many people come to my side in support and prayers.  It was my word, honor & loyalty that awarded me this supposed top tier attorney for pennies on the dollars as a favor to The Family... but he has been unavailable except for a couple of minutes after my pre-trials.  He wont return my calls or texts.  It has not made my situation any easier. 

There is video of part of this incident.  I've said since day 1 this video will exonerate me, but they still have not turned it over, saying that it's "inconclusive and doesn't show anything"

If this video can't prove my innocence, I am done for.

I don't know what else to do but try and connect with the power of The Universe directly to ask, beg and command help. 

I have a nice suit, I clean up nice.  I have a good story and a clean background.  But I just don't feel it's enough.  I really need some magickal help.  Whatever has protected me up until this point my entire life, I've always felt special, I've always felt there was a bigger mission for me.  And for my cloud of protection to be defeated like this against lies and put in a position like this... it's unforgivable.

I truly don't know what else to do.  I am not afraid of prison, I am afraid of being away from my son.  THAT is something I can not live with.  Not over lies.  And it breaks my heart to think of the alternatives. 


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05/07/2015 10:59 am  

I would avoid doing anything but simple banishing rituals during this time, especially if you do not have an experienced mentor or teacher in Magick.


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06/07/2015 9:41 am  

I would suggest simple visualisation rituals that will calm and empower the self i.e. drawing down planet based influences and powers and absorbing them.
Full blown Goetic rituals may not create the effect you want.


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06/07/2015 6:42 pm  

Peyote has always spiced up cermonial rituals. You will connect much stronger to the daimon you choose to call forth.


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06/07/2015 7:08 pm  
"Kharlatan" wrote:
Peyote has always spiced up cermonial rituals. You will connect much stronger to the daimon you choose to call forth.

"The possession of psilocybe mushrooms and San Pedro (mescaline) cacti is not illegal in many jurisdictions, but the Peyote (mescaline) cactus seems to be universally banned, although South Africa appears to allow one to possess the whole plant - but not cut up pieces or extracts." -Coruscatio


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06/07/2015 8:40 pm  

Perhaps the main trouble with strong psychoactive agents is their unpredictability and that one is not always in control of the situation.  (But then that is half the point of the experience! :D)

If you decide for whatever reason not to go ahead with ancient formalised ritualised procedure what you could try instead (or even if you do, as well as?) is imagining that the outcome which you wish later in the month has been achieved and that your desire was successful.  Feel that it was right and just that this outcome should occur, and that it was in a sense the only thing which could happen – i.e., everything else (not a success) isn’t anywhere near such a strong possibility.

It may seem a cliche but the certitude of your conviction and unswerving belief will dictate the inevitability of your outcome – it will work if you can banish Doubt for as long as required in the ‘time interval’.  Be strong here!

In your aspiration you might also visualise the feather, symbolic of the ancient Egyptian principle of Ma[y]at, weighed on the scales gainst the pureness of your heart.

And then afterwards visualise a future version of yourself, e.g. a couple of months down the line, looking back at your ‘present’ self now from a position of strength, reflecting on the situation and how it turned out and sending an encouraging response and/or vibration of support back to your self now. (If the outcome happens which you desire, I recommend that you might not forget to do this part of the exercise.  It would also not do any harm to give thanks for the outcome – to the ‘external’ principle of universal justice and accord, if nothing else.)

I hope you have a result which satisfies you on all levels.

Norma n Joy Conquest

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06/07/2015 8:41 pm  

I doubt that the court would be able to appreciate and relate to the enlightened state? A well groomed appearance and correct demeanor do help. Having had dealings with the court system on three different occasions in this life, in three different jurisdictions, two different state and one federal, I have come to learn that far more goes on behind closed courthouse doors than many would believe. So when I read a lawyer working for pennies on the dollar and issues with availability, I for one would worry. My experience is that a lawyers efforts and work ethics relate directly with the money chain of the paying client. A weapons charge with police involvement muddies the water even more? I do not pretend to advise, but for some unknown reason this thread has troubled me, so I have participated. TheGreyWizard is definitely on the learning curve, I know it well, "how in the hell did I get into this mess"?

With that I must plead guilty to two counts of "trolling".


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06/07/2015 10:24 pm  

Perhaps the main trouble with strong psychoactive agents is their unpredictability and that one is not always in control of the situation.  (But then that is half the point of the experience! :D)

I'm not sure that is the correct direction to be travelling. The idea is to empower oneself....not indulge oneself.


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07/07/2015 2:13 pm  

Not everybody performs rituals for material gain (if one is into self-hypnosis some therapists insists on LSD and Mescaline ahead of magical mushrooms).

Let's say that you're a couple of lashtal lurkers which never have performed any group rituals before, and wishes to team up with likeminded people practicing seremonial magick. Many people would experience a certain awkardness (like flirting with ladies in a sober state). Arrange a mushroom party or a nutmeg party, grab a couple of nuts and you're suddenly in a state which these kinds of activities feels like any everyday activitiy. That's one of the function of the witches brew also - party throttle.

For self-empoverment  I would certainly use self-hypnosis as a tool, while encounters with a goetian spirits in an altered state would be motivated by the adventurer in me. It could imply self-empowerment deeper down the road of course. The egyptians used Peyote and their forumulas for protection worked very effectively (rembember that the mind is even more malleable if one uses mescaline or lsd, so if one tells the mind that this formula protects you - it will).

 


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07/07/2015 3:20 pm  

This is not an 'occult' site
it is dedicated to the life and legacy of Aleister Crowley.

“…rise up & awake!
Let the rituals be rightly performed with joy & beauty!

There is death for the dogs.
Dost thou fail? Art thou sorry? Is fear in thine heart?
Where I am these are not. “

Aleister Crowley
The Book of the law Chapter 2
lines …34,35, 45,46,47

“a young and slender woman poised exactly upon toetip. She is crowned with the ostrich plumes of Maat, the Egyptian goddess of Justice, and on her forehead is the Uraeus serpent, Lord of Life and Death. She is masked, and her expression shows her secret intimate satisfaction in her domination of every element of dis-equilibrium in the Universe. This condition is symbolized by the Magic Sword which she holds in both hands, and the balances or spheres in which she weighs the Universe, Alpha the First balanced exactly against Omega the Last. These are the Judex and Testes of Final Judgment; the Testes, in particular, are symbolic of the secret course of judgment whereby all current experience is absorbed, transmuted, and ultimately passed on, by virtue of the operation of the Sword, to further manifestation. This all takes place within the diamond formed by the figure which is the concealed Vesica Piscis through which this sublimated and adjusted experience passes to its next manifestation.  “

Aleister Crowley
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07/07/2015 5:01 pm  
"michaelclarke18" wrote:

Perhaps the main trouble with strong psychoactive agents is their unpredictability and that one is not always in control of the situation.  (But then that is half the point of the experience! :D)

I'm not sure that is the correct direction to be travelling. The idea is to empower oneself....not indulge oneself.

I’m not sure which direction it is you're making the inference I pointed towards, as I didn’t make any mention of self-indulgence nor was the thought in my mind at all.  And the point I made with regard to self-empowerment was, as stated, that it is very difficult to predict what the outcome will be – except maybe that the vehicle of the true/higher self, the ego or personality, will no doubt be given a shake’n’stir in the process - but then it may well be that this same blowing away of the cobwebs is an intended part of the experience.

Hopefully though it will only be the cobwebs which get 'blown away'.

I hope this has managed to more or less clarify this preliminary statement of mine.

Whilsr I am replying, I might as well also try to make it clear that where I wrote the following

"jamie barter" wrote:
(If the outcome happens which you desire, I recommend that you might not forget to do this part of the exercise.  It would also not do any harm to give thanks for the outcome – to the ‘external’ principle of universal justice and accord, if nothing else.)

what I meant there was, that if one imagines one’s future self after the successful outcome sending this information and positive encouragement back e.g. from sitting in a favourite chair and wearing a deerstalker hat, then after the case is won, you should make time to sit in the favoured chair, wear the hat, and duplicate all of the other circumstances as closely as possible.  This will succeed in managing to “close the loop” and sealing the (reversed) self-fulfilling energy into the system.

"There is success"
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10/07/2015 3:32 am  

I don't know if gandalf the GreyWizard is in the pokey now, or if he has been freed of charges (i hope so if he deserves it) but i wanted to agree with a previous poster that goetia is not really good for a beginner.  I have been doing lesser invokings and banishings for about 2 years and they have always got me what i wanted.  Just LIRP and LIRH work just fine and aren't as dangerous and crazy as goetia.  So i recommend them too.  And of course always banish.  That's all! as Annette hanshaw used to say.


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10/07/2015 8:24 am  

93!

"christibrany" wrote:
I don't know if gandalf the GreyWizard is in the pokey now, or if he has been freed of charges
"TheGreyWizard" wrote:
The deadline is July 29th.  It is my trial date

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10/07/2015 3:09 pm  
"christibrany" wrote:
I don't know if gandalf the GreyWizard is ...

Post #6 says the "deadline" is July 29. So the matter has not been decided yet.


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11/07/2015 4:39 pm  

Things seem to have gone quiet with TheGreyWizard over the last week.  Maybe he is marshalling his resources.  (Perhaps on the next occasion he’ll come back “this time wearing white”? ;D)  I am sure I speak for everyone though in hoping things are all right.

“ Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law ”
“ May Ma’at fly thee without fear ”
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12/07/2015 3:03 am  

thank you lutz and shiverrrrr . i have a tendency to read threads once and then forget . esp if its not going to change my life. but i wish him the best. and i stick by what i said. goetia is probably more harmful than good in his circumstances. imho
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12/07/2015 8:28 pm  

93,

I appreciate everyones support & interest in this very trying time of my life.

Last saturday night I decided to use some psychedelics (I am very experienced & well versed in them) and it's interesting someone here suggested them.  They truly take you to a magick realm like no other substance will.

I didn't perform any "normal rituals" persay, but just did my usual weird thing that I do when I take psychedelics, prayed and just tried to focus my mind on the positive outcome. 

Last Tuesday's pre-trial, June 30th, they said they were completely adamant I had a gun and they were not dropping any charges.  (two F1's & an F2 - minimum 10 years based on all charges, including multiple weapon counts)

This past Wednesday the 10th I had another pre-trial.  The detective was there giving his statement.  He didn't even look in my direction when he walked past me. 

My attorney wasn't there because he was in trial, so had a younger, less experienced attorney as a stand in for another continuance. 

He came back out after talking with the prosecutor & said they are actually offering a deal, an F4 with no weapons charges, which would mean no prison time more than likely.

I told them no deal.

I am innocent and will not plea to felony charges.  I've been in banking/finance my whole life and also a legal and lawful gun owner, let alone the thousands of dollars of weapons they confiscated and made me spend on legal fees and other things to get my life back together.  Why should I give up those rights and lose my property because someone created terrible lies against me?

Don't get me wrong, materialistic things are NOTHING compared to your freedom and I truly & deeply understand this, but I am innocent on the charges brought against me.

So they either need to offer a misdemeanor to close this up quick & easy, or we go to trial.  I need to speak with my attorney this week to see what he suggests since he wasn't there last week, but I'm not giving up the fight or submitting to something that is not right.

But it is good they have reduced those charges that dramatically, perhaps they are finally starting to realize this case just doesn't add up and maybe that video tape ISN'T so inconclusive afterall and WILL exonerate me to show I had NO rifle or weapon of any kind.

They STILL haven't turned over the video tape yet, even after countless requests verbally and through motions. 

They also haven't said what the charges of the new F4 are either.

Also, I have stumbled upon E.A. Koetting - is anyone familar with him?  He seems to be an expert in evocation and his knowledge & talks are absolutely fascinating!  I've already ordered his most recent special edition, Anthology of Sorcery II.  It's a shame his books are so limited in prints, they are very expensive once sold out! 

Some people seem to either love or hate him.  If you put the infomercial gimmick to the side and listen to this man speak, you will become a follower instantly!  He knows what he is talking about and I've only begun to get into him.

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13/07/2015 8:32 pm  

Incidentally, you may already be aware of this but if you do decide to some practical work/ rituals best not to forget the aphorism “divine short, enchaunt long”, in that it would be best not to leave such things until the last minute just before your trial date.

"TheGreyWizard" wrote:
Also, I have stumbled upon E.A. Koetting - is anyone familar with him?

(I, for one, have never encountered E.A. Koetting before, so cannott comment.)

N Joy


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29/07/2015 12:06 pm  

With congratulations on the proof of your success & I trust things have all now managed to turn out Just as you expected?

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01/08/2015 12:46 am  

Or he has been stuck in the pokey.... I hope not.


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