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19/01/2020 1:16 pm  

Let's say I made about 30 distinct squiggles and attributed a different number to each.   Then I  aim at giving a limited amount of  those squiggles a distinct basic monosyllabic sound.  I then form simple groupings of  all of these squiggles to form more sophisticated sounds.   Within these rules I can then go on and on forming more complex words with even lengthier syllables.   A time goes on  I  cover every object, concept, verb, noun and pronouns etc ie I have a language.   Obviously each word also has a numerical value as aforementioned. 

However as I am the controller of the rules of my language I ensure that any sort of spiritual or mystical  concept  I want to convey must only use letters that have the same final numerical value.   Is this how the Hebrew language was formed or are the truths of Gematria just too complex, uncanny and spectacular to be deemed to be a mere con?     


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19/01/2020 2:24 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Is this how the Hebrew language was formed or are the truths of Gematria just too complex, uncanny and spectacular to be deemed to be a mere con?

You need to use it to find out. If you look at it from a rational angle, as you are now doing, you'll get nowhere.

I used to be very sceptical about gematria until a few decades ago. I think gematria has to emerge from your own magical and mystical experience. For instance, for some time now I have taken a great interest in the Amalantrah Working, and there are some numbers from that - for instance, GL, 33, 'spring; fountain' and MQVH, 151, 'fountain of living waters' - which I find meaningful. My interest in Lam makes 71 meaningful to me, as also BITzH, 107, 'egg'. My present immersion in the work of Achad yields numbers such as MANIO, 107 and 171. The latter is of especial interest as being a metathesis of the Number associated with my Magical Name. Etc etc etc.

What is building up here is a lexicon of numbers associated with specific experiences and sensations, a concept broadly similar to Spare's derivation of his Sacred Alphabet.

It's a matter of experience, whereby you build up your own Sepher Sephiroth of numbers which mean something to you. Rationally it doesn't make sense perhaps, but then a lot of things don't make sense rationally and yet here we are.


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19/01/2020 2:35 pm  

One must find the living voices, signs, images, seals and summon the daemons behind them and draw them in; in order to attract their influences to unlock the psychic energies imprisoned by pedantry.


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19/01/2020 3:54 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Is this how the Hebrew language was formed or are the truths of Gematria just too complex, uncanny and spectacular to be deemed to be a mere con?  

There are several points to keep in mind about the Hebrew alphabet. First, all of the scientific evidence suggests it was not created by Yahweh, but by human beings. Second, long before there was any real literature written with the proto-alphabets, they were used for counting, with every letter assigned a value. As the development of language evolved, there were ample opportunities to fine tune the spellings of words to make them enumerate as a specific value intentionally. Third, any time a language consists of words formed form roots, such as the tri-consonantal system of the Hebrew language, there will be a strong possibility for random numeric coincidences shared between words.

One area of gematria that is overlooked is its potential for encrypting data within text and puzzles, such as those found in Liber Legis. A gematria system created by a divine being is not required to accomplish such an effort.  At their core, Gematria systems are mathematical systems, and mathematics can be used to prove almost anything. The blanket dismissal of gematria as means for proving that the alphanumeric key to Liber legis has been found, and as a means of proving its metaphysical authorship, will in time be demonstrated as short-sighted.


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19/01/2020 5:52 pm  

@herupakraath

First, all of the scientific evidence suggests it was not created by Yahweh, but by human beings

...human beings who were perhaps communicating with praetor human intelligences?   A murky part of natural philosophy along with telekinetic abilities...alleged. 

In his A Garden of Pomegranates Regardie states in chapter 6 that 'The rabbis devised various methods of number interpretation to discover, primarily, the hidden meanings of their scriptures'.   His example is that of the words 'serpent' and 'messiah' which  both equal 358 and he then produces a chain of related spiritual and cosmological references that involve serpentine metaphors.    In other words the rabbis used gematria to stimulate mystical thought.  

Third, any time a language consists of words formed form roots, such as the tri-consonantal system of the Hebrew language, there will be a strong possibility for random numeric coincidences shared between words.

.....or there are coincidences in general anyway and as Michael indicated earlier a Ruach-bound person who 'has no soul' (is of limited consciousness)  finds no meaning therein.   

One area of gematria that is overlooked is its potential for encrypting data within text and puzzles, such as those found in Liber Legis.

Do you have an example of that?

A gematria system created by a divine being is not required to accomplish such an effort. At their core, Gematria systems are mathematical systems, and mathematics can be used to prove almost anything. The blanket dismissal of gematria as means for proving that the alphanumeric key to Liber legis has been found, and as a means of proving its metaphysical authorship, will in time be demonstrated as short-sighted.

Ironically enough that sounds prophetic.   Well yeah Gematria is not a microscope or a sextant because it is essentially part of occultism.... at the moment.   


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19/01/2020 8:20 pm  

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20/01/2020 12:53 am  
Posted by: @tiger

One must find the living voices, signs, images, seals and summon the daemons behind them and draw them in; in order to attract their influences to unlock the psychic energies imprisoned by pedantry.

Have you done any work or experimentation personally with Liber 231 in this regard?

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… As time goes on  I  cover every object, concept, verb, noun and pronouns etc ie I have a language.   Obviously each word also has a numerical value as aforementioned. 

However as I am the controller of the rules of my language I ensure that any sort of spiritual or mystical  concept  I want to convey must only use letters that have the same final numerical value.   Is this how the Hebrew language was formed

Language is also a fluid, not fixed, phenomenon and differences in spelling in its organic development used to be commonplace (although less so since the mass collective transmission of  the printed word). 

Do you make any distinction within this here between [originally] oral and written transmission?

Enquiringly yours,

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20/01/2020 12:19 pm  

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“ Have you done any work or experimentation personally with Liber 231 in this regard? “

What stirs the projected representation in the ground of experience to form ? such a question ? And from which region ?


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20/01/2020 10:07 pm  
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What stirs the projected representation in the ground of experience to form ? such a question ? And from which region ?

You apparently give the politician's answer of replying to  a basic question with three more and fogging things up (you'll note I said 'fogging' there, not 'fugging').  I was just making a simple enquiry requiring at minimum no more than a yes or a no; although if a 'yes' I'd also wonder what learning you may have experienced therein to share with us all in this regard, and if a 'no' whether there was any interesting reason for this reluctance/omission.

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20/01/2020 11:55 pm  

@jamie j Barter
To those that need to ask it is not apparent to them.
So no.


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21/01/2020 12:10 am  
Posted by: @tiger

So no.

Thank you.  There now that wasn't "so" difficult after all, was it?

(Sometimes the answers which you don't give can be just as, if not more, revealing than the ones which you [=anyone] do...)

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29/01/2020 1:15 pm  
Posted by: @dom

One area of gematria that is overlooked is its potential for encrypting data within text and puzzles, such as those found in Liber Legis.

Do you have an example of that?

He probably did not reply to this because the whole book is a multi dimensional (linguistic and numerical) gematria that even a casual study of makes abundantly clear.

Force and Fire is not metaphorical.


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