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John Lydon announces his magickal Mastership on Australian TV.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-kJz1V_xm4

1 minutes 24 seconds in, John Lydon announces his magickal Mastership on Australian TV.  Who is he?  Only the guy who did more to earth the energies of Horus in this aeon than possibly everyone on this forum combined.

Any thoughts?

"Stop yer cheap comment ah coz we know what we fee- ull"


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Not related to Aleister Crowley though is it? We don't do Country Life Butter adverts on here y'know!

Suspect this thread will shortly be nipped in the bud.

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Not related to AC?  I  could write a 25 page A4 sized dissertation on how it's exactly related to Crowley and the new aeon


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"david" wrote:
[...] "Stop yer cheap comment ah coz we know what we fee- ull"

I rather like the “as heard” transcription of the lyrics!  Was it John Lydon or Mark E. Smith who originated the “- ah” style of pronunciation at the ends of words, does anyone know?

And I always thought for years – decades - it was “STUFF your cheap comment” (!) It seemed to fit rather better with the general sentiment of the song, I thought.

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"jamie barter" wrote:
"david" wrote:
[...] "Stop yer cheap comment ah coz we know what we fee- ull"

I rather like the “as heard” transcription of the lyrics!  Was it John Lydon or Mark E. Smith who originated the “- ah” style of pronunciation at the ends of words, does anyone know?

I call it the "oratorical schewa" - a vocal breathing at the end of an unstressed syllable to emphasize the word in order to either merely emphasize it or, more importantly, to distinguish it from a following word or clause in which its significance might be lost.

In Rock 'n' Roll style singing, it comes directly from evangelical preaching style, where it is often very pronounced, in often highly affected ways - it is often a distinct "huh!" e.g. "Jeeyzus - huh!" Since "zus" is unstressed - or not easily stressable - it sounds like "JEE-zus-HUH!"

I'm sure you could hear it if you could bear to listen to some hours of YouTube Charismatic sermons, I've heard it recently but I can't remember the exact places, but if I hear it again I'll keep it mind to post it.

But take it from me, the root of the singing style is in this preaching (or "oratorical" if you prefer) style.

I don't hear it in "Pretty Vacant" though.


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I will! ("take it from you", belmurru).  Most informative, thank you... now that you come to mention it, although JL has definitely used this “oratorical schewa” elsewhere, I don’t think he actually did say it (“ah”/”huh!”) after his pronunciation of the “comment” above.

Regarding a parallel thread to this one, he also sort-of commented on the question discussed therein of blindly following orders or “obeying” commands from others in authority when he similarly “stretched out” the “I” in:  "♪  And blind acceptance is a si-i-ign/ of stupid fools that stand in line - like: EMI-I-I… ♪ "

As a tangential remark, in addition I also rather liked Johnny’s acute observation as a socio-religious commentator/ spokesperson on the parlous state of (Catholic) Christianity, from Public Image’s first album First Issue:

♪ “This is Religion - your Religion – and it's all falling to bits: gloriously” (J. Lydon, “Religion”)

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Maybe this belongs in Stuff?

As for the comment-ah.  It's cockney knees-up tradition innit?

Check out the Faces' "Renie the dockers' delight-ah". Lol .

Mark Smith?  I guesse die-hard northerners are allowed to copy cockney traditions. 


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"david" wrote:
Not related to AC?  I  could write a 25 page A4 sized dissertation on how it's exactly related to Crowley and the new aeon

Well when you've finished it by all means post it here. In the meantime however I fail to see that this is AC related.

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"Hamal" wrote:
"david" wrote:
Not related to AC?  I  could write a 25 page A4 sized dissertation on how it's exactly related to Crowley and the new aeon

Well when you've finished it by all means post it here. In the meantime however I fail to see that this is AC related.

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"punk rock" Rabelaisian breakdown of patriarchal straight-laced traditions and hypocritical bourgeoise prejudices:  situationist confrontational strivings for autonomy in every social sphere blah blah blah blah blah  Is it worth dragging in and pasting relevant sentences from the good book Legis?  Good ship Venus?

Are you a trainspotter who lived in an Amish community by any chance?  Why am I having to explain this most basic of sh1t to you? 

Now with that out the way can we get back to the cockney knees- up vocal tradition?


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"david" wrote:
Why am I having to explain this most basic of sh1t to you?

Perhaps because he doesn't share your opinion that punk rock in general, and the Sex Pistols in particular, were the quintessence of the Aeon of Horus; neither do I. In my opinion their music was in most cases rubbish and the punk-rock "ethos" somewhat superficial.

Then, that's just my opinion. However, there's no call for you to get abusive when Hamal doesn't share your opinion.


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"Michael Staley" wrote:
"david" wrote:
Why am I having to explain this most basic of sh1t to you?

Perhaps because he doesn't share your opinion that punk rock in general, and the Sex Pistols in particular, were the quintessence of the Aeon of Horus; neither do I. In my opinion their music was in most cases rubbish and the punk-rock "ethos" somewhat superficial.

Then, that's just my opinion. However, there's no call for you to get abusive when Hamal doesn't share your opinion.

yes, thanks, but the cultural impact of punk rock into other art forms and in general is unfathomable.  You think it was just a band who had a few hits? It isn't about that

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Why am I having to explain this most basic of sh1t to you?

Perhaps because he doesn't share your opinion that punk rock in general, and the Sex Pistols in particular, were the quintessence of the Aeon of Horus; neither do I. In my opinion their music was in most cases rubbish and the punk-rock "ethos" somewhat superficial.

Then, that's just my opinion. However, there's no call for you to get abusive when Hamal doesn't share your opinion.

it's not about one little band who, "had a few hits" It's the overriding cultural impact which was of lasting endurance... 


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David,

Punk rock may be your religion and I may be culturally amiss to not know some clearly earth shattering stuff, but it seems to me if we are going to attribute cultural trends then there's not much we won't be discussing here. But maybe that's just my view, so knock yourself out!

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"david" wrote:
Are you a trainspotter who lived in an Amish community by any chance?  Why am I having to explain this most basic of sh1t to you? 

Tone it down, david. Please refresh your knowledge of the Guidelines before posting here again.

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