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Hi

I have been trying to meditate with a mantra (Om mani padme hum), and get very confused with the breathing. I find myself mostly, like a singer, saying the mantra on the out breath, then breathing in quickly for the next repitition. If I follow it silently, I end up doing an in breath for one repitition, and an out breath for the next.

Does anybody know how this should be done?

Anlala


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how about saying it once on the outbreath and once on the in breath?

i don't think there's really a right way or a wrong way to do mantra. choose some words and repeat them in your head or out loud, choose whether or not you want to sync it with your breathing. do what feels natural and comfortable.

the words are not really important. it's just a technique to shut off the day to day incessant mental chatter.


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"darkflame" wrote:
the words are not really important. it's just a technique to shut off the day to day incessant mental chatter.

Actually, the words CAN be important if one is using a mantra in order to stay focused on a single subject, for example: preparing for a magickal ceremony.
Of course, the roof-brain, choronzon, monkey-mind chatter will be supressed no matter what the intent.


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An interesting thing I have found when repeating my mantra, is that the brain finds it difficult to count at the same time. I can however repeat the mantra while counting by visualizing or imagining the numbers, but only the numbers that have already been

When practicing breath count for pranayama, I don't usually employ the mantra at the same time. When I do, I usually have to imagine the count of the numbers with the aid of my fingers.

I think the best advice I have heard regarding the mantra, is that it's not being done properly if one's aware of what one's saying. I find when I am muttering it, I can always do physical tasks at the same time with ease, like take a shower, but when I try to perform a mental task, it's often difficult.


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Hail to the jewel in the lotus
Om mani padme ung I've heard it and sung its more like a song
Om mani padme ung - Om mani padme ung repeat
in breath before Om out breath after ung

Nam myo ho renge kyo is more like a chant

Vibration Intonement and intent sometimes easier than meditation.

find something that works
good luck


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Hi anlala,

I've never heard of a pranayama that is accompanied by audible recitation of a mantra. I am familiar with three pranayama that include mental repetition of a mantra - usually OM or the Gayatri mantra but any mantra will do, I suppose:
Omkar Japa
Nadi Shodan Pranayama
Kevali Pranayama

Each of these three are slightly different but require all or part of the mantra mentally repeated on the inhalation (puraka) and the exhalation (recak) and the hold after inhalation (kumbhak) if there is one.

You might consider separating pranayama from meditation and audible mantra for the time being. Similarly, don't attempt to control your breathing while meditating or doing mantra for the time being. Pranayama activates a certain action in the body (rajaistic) that is not necessarily compatible with attempting mental stillness (sattvic) simultaneously.

Eventually, you may be able to do all of these concurrently although it's really not necessary. Many consider pranayama the most powerful limb of ashtanga. However, most Westerners spend a lifetime finding and perfecting a 'comfortable seat' (asana) and never even begin the other aspects of yoga. You're obviously doing something right!

John


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Thanks Proteus. That cleared up my confusion. I feel I did quite a horrible job trying to express what I meant, and you did a good job elucidating it. I did asana for some time, before even beginning pranayama, and when I proceeded to pranayama, I started with a low breath count of 4,4,8. From experience, I naturally ended up separating uttering the mantra at the same time as trying to maintain a proper breath count. I am currently quite rusty and un-practiced with yoga, so I am just sticking to asana posture for the time-being. It's very interesting how the more I progress, the more I start to realize and understand the importance of the fundamentals and preliminaries and detect small, but crucial errors I never noticed before.

L.V.X.


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I heard a 45 rpm record, with Our Uncle Al reciting the pentagram, and a poem I can't recall. On the b side, was a song, :"Holy Goddess, of Infinite space, Hadit entwined, within your emrace" etc. In the
background, two men and one woman chanted, :"Nuit Hadit Ra Hoor Khuit" throughout. It's fitting to the Thelemic disposition, does away with the monkey mind chatter, and is a good preperation to Ritual.


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93,

The whole point is to get ones mind in a similar rhythm to the breath, so that the mind and body are working in unison. You can honestly say the Mantra any way you want to, as long as the mentioned effect occurs. Keep in mind the point of breathing techniques as such is to make the breath "easy, regular, and low".

Technically, you want to breathe in rather quickly, and get tons of air, but use common sense and moderation. Your exhale is slower, and you don't need to let all of the breath out of your body. As the lungs are like a bellows, what you want to do is create a constant flux between inward and outward breaths, and you will want to get it to a point where you can actually stop and hold your breath indefinitely for an extended period of time no matter what part of the breath cycle you are in without upsetting one fragment of the balance of your whole being.

The Mantra is supposed to start slow, then get faster until you cannot get it faster, and then slow it down again. This may work for some. After years of work, it's quite wonderful just to begin a Mantra and let it run on its own. The entire point is to find the particular rhythm of your body and mind, and align them in unison and without tension or force. Essentially you are creating a steady subtle vibration as a complete being. That vibratory rate rises over time as psychic tension and other factors are taken into account.

I'd say more, but as this is a return note, I'd like to not overstep my boundaries or put my foot too far down my mouth at the outset. Hope this helps.

As always, best wishes with the Great Work!

93 93/93

P.S. It's good to be back on Lashtal!


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"Draconuit" wrote:
I heard a 45 rpm record, with Our Uncle Al reciting the pentagram, and a poem I can't recall. On the b side, was a song, :"Holy Goddess, of Infinite space, Hadit entwined, within your emrace" etc. In the
background, two men and one woman chanted, :"Nuit Hadit Ra Hoor Khuit" throughout. It's fitting to the Thelemic disposition, does away with the monkey mind chatter, and is a good preperation to Ritual.

Oh, I heard that on Thelema Coast to Coast podcast #1. I think it's Chakra - Scarlet woman. I really enjoyed that song.


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Meditation is an art. Everyone who meditates usually finds their own methods I suggest using different methods and choosing the method that suits you best. And I suggest avoiding the Tantric breathing method (breathe in through the mouth and out the nose) When I tried that, I just got dizzy That can't be good.


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A universal truth is: Universal force; that which rotates the planets, and gives life to the tree, makes
a sound. This sound, heard in a higher state of conciousness than the average man is able to
appreciate, is a humming sound. By mimicking this vibration, one may become as one, with such.
Thus we have: ON, OM, AUM, HUM. Many of you know this, for some, : "Your head is humming, and
it won't go; in case you don't know, The Pipers calling you to join Him." ( Stairway to Heaven; Led
Zeppelin.)


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A few things about doing a Mantra as well as Pranayama,threw out my Tantric study's ive ether over looked or never read of doing a Mantra with Pranayama but there is one source ive found and that is from Sor Nema the author of Maat Magick which im very found of,she gives a ritual with Pranayama and Mantra so its not to say it cant be done,again weather its a transitional method I dont know.

Also just picking any random Mantra is not all ways advised,because there are spiritual forces/Beings behind surtant mantras,If you have a Guru a true one and he gives you a Mantra,it has been magically charged and will effect your conciseness,but on a simpler not,just reciting the primordial mantra "Om" will have effects on you and make your mind one pointed.


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the important part is the breathing mantra of breathe focus more on the breatheing and drop the talking mantra just breathe and breathing is your mantra what you do is you mix your breathing with your haert beat and if you get lucky you get into what i call the wave the longer you focus the farther you go .

the goal is to be like skeltor from masters of the universe aka you wake up in light and you can control the light.

For a person like crowley his goal would be to confront the tempest or have commuion with satan

its all about GODhood and becoming a God

think of it as stimulating enough DMT in your third eye so you trip balls the longer you focus the more DMT your penal gland creates and the better the trip


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Try this -
1. Put on your favorite porn and gaze at it, clearing the mind, simply enjoying what you see.
2. Get into God asana in a chair.
3. Keep your mantra first person, present tense, like "I like myself, I like myself, I like myself..."
3. Start pranayama, as you inhale imagine light of ecstasy entering through the mouth of the phallus.
4. As you exhale imagine yourself at the center of an explosion, distracting thoughts exploding away from the body.
5. When your in a state of pure natural enjoyment without distraction watching porn, you will notice a natural state of pure joy that remains.
6. You will now notice emotions creep into to this joy, repeat the breathing process with the exhale exploding distracting emotions away from the body till its just the natural joy that remains.

This is just how I do my breathing and mantra, past yama - niyama, after this I just work on spinning this joy and increasing its speed around my body like a hurricane, until I explode in a state of ecstasy, this just my method, though it may not be for everyone.


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the goal is to be like skeltor from masters of the universe... For a person like crowley his goal would be to confront the tempest or have commuion with satan

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"anlala" wrote:
Hi

I have been trying to meditate with a mantra (Om mani padme hum), and get very confused with the breathing. I find myself mostly, like a singer, saying the mantra on the out breath, then breathing in quickly for the next repitition. If I follow it silently, I end up doing an in breath for one repitition, and an out breath for the next.

Does anybody know how this should be done?

Anlala

You might try the technique of "Vibration of God-names" (see Crowley's Liber O) adapted to your Pranayama. Words need not necessarily be literally spoken to be effective. In fact, with the aid of the imagination, you can greatly enhance the effect of the words being sent forth from you, until you 'become one with them.' 🙂


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"lashtal" wrote:
"Vallick" wrote:
the goal is to be like skeltor from masters of the universe... For a person like crowley his goal would be to confront the tempest or have commuion with satan

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ok but theres no button for pre mod it just says submit. So what do you mean do you want me to pm the post to a mod and then if i get premission i can post why do this just makes more work for the mods??

Hey whats Crowleys Connection with the holy seince Sri Yukteswar Giri and Paramahansa Yogananda why did they put Crowley next to Sri Yukteswar on the sgt pepper cover??


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"Vallick" wrote:
"lashtal" wrote:
"Vallick" wrote:
the goal is to be like skeltor from masters of the universe... For a person like crowley his goal would be to confront the tempest or have commuion with satan

Please do not post on these Forums again without first submitting your posts for pre-moderation.

ok but theres no button for pre mod it just says submit. So what do you mean do you want me to pm the post to a mod and then if i get premission i can post why do this just makes more work for the mods??

Hey whats Crowleys Connection with the holy seince Sri Yukteswar Giri and Paramahansa Yogananda why did they put Crowley next to Sri Yukteswar on the sgt pepper cover??

wow is this a christian website you ban people you fuckin homo and i will enjoy peeing on you in astral


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Welcome back, Vallick...

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93,

yet another of those threads (not just on Lashtal but on the entire Internet) that somehow turns into some sort of fight. I won't complain too much, as these fights and bickerings are what make the forums spicy.

It's also a rather late answer to the original question, but I'll post it as I hope that some may find my answer helpful.

Anyway, below are some pointers that I think would help myself had I lost my bearing when it comes to yoga (maybe I have). Sorry, by the way, for making it in the form of a Q&A, it is not my intention to be rude.

I'd ask myself the following questions:

1) What do you want from this practice?
(My answer: "Stilling" or observing the mind, thus stilling the part of yourself that is observing the mind.)

2) Why do you want to do this practice?
(My answer: To get an experience of your true self (i.e. nothing) – what you are even efter you have "stilled your mind" and your thoughts are unimportant. I would call this the search for enlightenment, satori, reaching beyond reality etc.)

3) How can you accomplish this?
(My answer: Yoga and meditation is, as far as we know, the only method available that can help a person get on the right path for this goal.)

4) Can this be done by meditating on a mantra and/or breathing?
(My answer: Yes, this is a simple and powerful way to do this. The easisest way is to decide on a regular cycle of breathing that helps you maintain a regular deep breathing pattern – without applying a bad strain on the body or the respiratory system – and making the mantra help you in maintining this pattern. Many say that you should breathe out for twice as long as you breathe in. I actually don't know if this is necessary or not.

I have personally used the following mantra/breath-cycle: I. Breathe in while saying your mantra silently once. II. Hold your breath while saying your mantra silently once. III. Breathe out while saying your mantra silently twice. IV. Repeat.

Now, I do not say that this is the best or most correct way of combining mantra and breathing – but it is at least a suggestion that has proven succesful – it is also very easy to do, and that is perhaps the most important. If you like it better doing it once on the in-breath and once on the out-breath, and that keeps you balanced – then keep doing it. (if you haven't done so already, read Crowley's Book 4, part I, chapter II and Liber E, part IV.))

5) What is the deal with this numbered list?
(My answer: The last but most important point is this: It does not matter if you do your mantrayoga as you always do, if you copy my method described in point 4 above or do it in a different way. What matters is that you actually do it, and use this to still your mind and observe yourself in the silence that is you. The practice is completely useless if you only concentrate on if you should do this or that; there are too many that are preoccupied with how the practices should be done. What is important is the result of the practice right now. What is important is what is left even after you realize that your thoughts and your mind are nothing; see point 2.)

I hope that the above has been helpful.

93s,

/ JB


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"darkflame" wrote:
how about saying it once on the outbreath and once on the in breath?

i don't think there's really a right way or a wrong way to do mantra. choose some words and repeat them in your head or out loud, choose whether or not you want to sync it with your breathing. do what feels natural and comfortable.

the words are not really important. it's just a technique to shut off the day to day incessant mental chatter.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I strongly disagree. I worked with two teachers of tantra. Second of them is from parampara from Indian State Orissa. I didn't got too much lessons about Mantra Shastra. OK, not skilful in this, but from my very limited training in this, I hope I will learn more in the futurem, I can say that it is very serious thing. Om is not the same thing like AUM. first brings things down to the your heart, other will bring down things further--- to the reign of your Muladhara. That was one example. The number of syllables determine the nature and purpose of mantras, some are for enlightemnemt, others are for "raising in dharma", third are for purification in the sense of "liberating from the ripus" etc. In this sense Mantras are not for shutt up your mind and your mental dialogue. Mantras are our way to communicate with the reigns of Divine plane and beings there. It is not important we think they exist or not.

Just my two cents...

Love is the law, love under will.

B.


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