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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 5:33 am  

My practices in thelemic magick have been a very recent event... I've not done much, but in preparing myself for things more complicated I've been trying to get a daily meditation/yoga exercise down. It was going well for the first few weeks, merely doing it before I went to sleep... but the past week or so it seems like all of my time is taken up right until I'm about to go to sleep, and I feel like any kind of meditation less than 30 minutes is kind of a cop out, but the past week by the time I've hit the time I normally meditate, I'm so worn out that I just want to pass out.

So, my question is this... How much should I actually worry about having a daily meditation exercise? In your experiences is it very detrimental if I'm not as regular about it? Or would it still help if I just did it for maybe 10 minutes when I'm extra worn out?

Any insight, suggestions or ideas are welcomed. Even the occassional 'Quit yer bitching!', but if you're gonna be like that, at least try to give SOME helpful advice. 🙂


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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 6:20 am  

There's a couple different arguments there. Discipline is important in magick/yoga (same difference, imho) on the other hand, so is quality of practice. Its a fine balance that really only you know.
The easiest and simplest suggestion I have to offer is to look into other forms of meditative practices outside of traditional raja yoga or zen methods. Look into Tai Chi or Qi Gong or even hatha yoga where you won't have to be concerned about falling asleep in the middle of it. (Or you could just get up a half hour early) Its good to get your whole body involved in meditation practices from time to time anyways.
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Lucius
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08/11/2006 7:07 am  

"Just doing it even when I'm worn out" isn't a bad solution, but it's a temporary one.
It's good to keep the practice alive even if it's not quite up to your optimum performance, rather than letting it slide for a short time (which can lead to letting it slide for a very very long time!)
You're definitely on the right track and looking at it the right way. Discipline vs. Quality of performance is surely the issue, and can really become a fruitful way of looking at it if you record the way you perceive these two things in your magickal diary.
This ties in very nicely to the part of Liber E that talks about testing one's limits... ❗ ❓


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08/11/2006 7:51 am  

I've also been trying to incorporate Yoga into my daily routine - twice a day... when I wake up in the morning and before bed at night. I've already noticed the benefits, but I find that it's really important to do this in the morning so that the calming and focusing effects last thoughout the day - I also have a bulging disc in my lower back and find this really helps with the pain. It's also important for me to meditate and do my Yoga at night time so that I sleep (and dream) better. My problem is just trying to motivate myself to do this on a daily basis. I too am new with this whole routine, so I hope that if I continue doing this, it'll become a way of life. Another problem is finding the appropriate CDs to listen to, so if anyone has recommendations of what music helps to relax them I'd appreciate it!


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08/11/2006 8:06 am  
"Cronus" wrote:
finding the appropriate CDs to listen to, so if anyone has recommendations of what music helps to relax them I'd appreciate it!

93, Cronus!

This one is always EXTREMELY helpful and relaxing to me: Psychick TV's "At Stockholm". 50 minutes go by in a flash - well, nearly.

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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 8:19 am  

The vexed meditation music question. Personally, for hatha yoga I usually work with a DVD so thats not really an issue, but for meditation...I've been a massage therapist for years and have thus been exposed to a large cross section of meditation and new agey music. Liquid Mind is my top pick (and my clients' too). There are alot of cd's on the market that claim to aid in meditation and inducing certain brain wave patterns condusive to meditation, but most have some disceranable melody and theme, which can be a distraction. The key is to find something that has pleasing harmonics while still opening the mind to the unknown, which is much more difficult with a set melody going in the background. The Liquid Mind series does a pretty good job of delivering that.
My second personal favorite is Jonathon Goldman's Trance Tara for doing specific work with Tara. Nice rhythym and chant of the mantra, but not overbearing, and at about 30 minutes for each track it is perfectly timed for meditation.


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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 12:52 pm  

I have used Jonathan Goldman's 'Ultimate Om' for meditation & guided visualisation exercises. It's great for simple relaxation too.


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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 4:36 pm  

Thanks all, for the helpful advice. I'll also try looking into those other kinds of meditation.


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08/11/2006 10:10 pm  
"Drage_Av_Lys" wrote:
So, my question is this... How much should I actually worry about having a daily meditation exercise? In your experiences is it very detrimental if I'm not as regular about it? Or would it still help if I just did it for maybe 10 minutes when I'm extra worn out?

Quit yer bitching! and do it. 🙂

Set your alarm 30 min earlyer and do it in the morning (after your shower as that will wake you up) Meditating when your sleepy is just going to lead to dozing off.

"Cronus " wrote:
Another problem is finding the appropriate CDs to listen to, so if anyone has recommendations of what music helps to relax them I'd appreciate it!

I can't listen to music, I tend to get into to the music rather than the meditation. What works for me is to use white noise, an AM radio tuned to an empty frequency works quite well. (But on occasion I hear my name shouted and it startles me out of it.. kinda freaky actually)


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 Anonymous
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08/11/2006 11:53 pm  

I agree that you should at least do it in the morning, it will start your day off right with you feeling centered. What works for me is a Chi Gong warmup routine to get the blood & Chi flowing, followed by a session of seated pranayama or rhythmic breathing, which leads into the meditation. Personally, I don't listen to music when meditating, but to each his own.

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 Anonymous
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09/11/2006 1:19 am  

93

In my opinon, no music should be used, it is a distraction (unless doing some dramatic ritual or invocation).

Anything from 2 minutes to 2 hours is useful, the important thing is consistency. Dont think the longer, the better. Sometimes the mind gets worn out after 10 minutes and pushing it further is just a useless endeavor. But ultimately, There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

93 93/93


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 Anonymous
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09/11/2006 4:17 am  

Well, personally I don't use music, I think someone else said that... too lazy to go look, though. XD I listen to a lot of music and I get too into it and wrapped up in it... The hum of my computer in the background provides some good quiet noise to drown out anything irregular that would startle me.

Also, doing it after a shower as opposed to right when I wake up is a brilliantly simple solution, thank you. lol.


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 Anonymous
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25/11/2006 7:48 am  

Well, recently I've been finding it harder and harder to have actual time for meditation. It seems like I'm never anywhere long enough where I'm not doing anything to actually get a decent session in.

Do you all think it's even worth it to attempt to progress in other areas with such little time for meditation? Or do you think it's ABSOLUTELY necessary?


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18/12/2006 12:49 am  

Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get out!

Source: Eight Lectures On Yoga, Chapter 4

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 Anonymous
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20/12/2006 3:03 pm  

Everyone can find a few minutes a day to devote to a simple meditation. If you can't even do this than how do you think you are going to get into anything any more complicated? Just doing a straight forward evocation can take anywhere from 30 - 60+ minutes. How are you going to find time to do this or even to have a scrying session?

And yes it is absolutely necessary. If you can't find some way in which to silence your mind and body than you are going to have a hard time to do anything more than the simplest of rituals. If this is really an issue and magick is important to you than perhaps you should look at where you are in life right now. I know I had to do this and still struggle with it. Perhaps you shouldn't even be worried about any of this and should instead concentrate your efforts on improving your situation. If it's a job that is taking so much of your time maybe you should find something else. Equilibrium is key and I would not sacrifice my spirituality over any job.

Needless to say, spending a few minutes a day meditating will have many benefits regardless of any spiritual practices. I think everyone should do it.

Sorry to be so harsh.


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lashtal
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20/12/2006 4:20 pm  

Well put, Casey.

Sometimes you just have to do the work...

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 Anonymous
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21/12/2006 1:54 am  

"Your ability to generate power is directly proportional to your ability to relax." - David Allen

"Rule your mind or it will rule you." - Horace


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 Anonymous
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21/12/2006 4:32 am  

93!
I had to laugh when I read this, I don't know how many times I've fallen asleep while perfoming the middle pillar 🙄
"I can't listen to music, I tend to get into to the music rather than the meditation"
I completely agree with frater_cug . . . When I'm serious about this and not just guilting into doing it at midnight, I use a "rain machine" that way I'm not immersing myself to the music, therefore breaking focus.
∞Q
93, 93/93


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 Anonymous
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16/02/2007 4:27 pm  

One very effective approach is a one pointed focus on a set Hatha yoga routine. It is essential to exhaust the ego's grasp by testing your physical limits. The practice should be then followed with seated or prone meditation there should be no visual or auditory distractions. Above all is to do it everyday NO EXCUSES! The whole point of Hatha yoga is WILL! Its not about trippy low frequency sound tracks or wishy washy new age do it when I feel like it sentiments mixed with clever self justifications for why you don't practice. You are a warrior, act like one. To quote Gurney Halleck in the first Dune novel "Moods are for cattle and loveplay, not fighting!" The act of meditation is no act, meaning there is no one to act. The ego(You) is going to fight you tooth and nail to maintain its perceived dominance, and it is clever and devious. The only answer is unwavering unshakable persistence. The times that you don't want to practice are the most important times to practice. The 27th incarnation of the Buddha taught a vigorous routine of assana to overweight falling asleep Bhuddist monks in china as a precursor to deep meditation. First the body must be reigned in, then the mind will follow. The trick is to work then rest, work then rest. You will set up a dialectic in which the more energy you expend the easier it will be to relax, which will give you more energy to expend ad infinitum. To disassociate from ego and to become the silent witness you need to kick the ego's ass. The best thing to listen to if you must is the breath and the beat of your heart. The breath is key, continue to practice Hatha and your own body will teach you pranayama. The body is the teacher and has inborn intelligence, when you wear out the chattering monkey mind you will hear the body. These are very old techniques that work, they have been tried and true for thousands of years. Namaste.


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 Anonymous
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10/03/2007 3:44 pm  
"Drage_Av_Lys" wrote:
My practices in thelemic magick have been a very recent event... I've not done much, but in preparing myself for things more complicated I've been trying to get a daily meditation/yoga exercise down. It was going well for the first few weeks, merely doing it before I went to sleep... but the past week or so it seems like all of my time is taken up right until I'm about to go to sleep, and I feel like any kind of meditation less than 30 minutes is kind of a cop out, but the past week by the time I've hit the time I normally meditate, I'm so worn out that I just want to pass out.

So, my question is this... How much should I actually worry about having a daily meditation exercise? In your experiences is it very detrimental if I'm not as regular about it? Or would it still help if I just did it for maybe 10 minutes when I'm extra worn out?

Any insight, suggestions or ideas are welcomed. Even the occassional 'Quit yer bitching!', but if you're gonna be like that, at least try to give SOME helpful advice. 🙂


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 Anonymous
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10/03/2007 3:51 pm  
"Drage_Av_Lys" wrote:
My practices in thelemic magick have been a very recent event... I've not done much, but in preparing myself for things more complicated I've been trying to get a daily meditation/yoga exercise down. It was going well for the first few weeks, merely doing it before I went to sleep... but the past week or so it seems like all of my time is taken up right until I'm about to go to sleep, and I feel like any kind of meditation less than 30 minutes is kind of a cop out, but the past week by the time I've hit the time I normally meditate, I'm so worn out that I just want to pass out.

So, my question is this... How much should I actually worry about having a daily meditation exercise? In your experiences is it very detrimental if I'm not as regular about it? Or would it still help if I just did it for maybe 10 minutes when I'm extra worn out?

Any insight, suggestions or ideas are welcomed. Even the occassional 'Quit yer bitching!', but if you're gonna be like that, at least try to give SOME helpful advice. 🙂

Just a few insights on med. & yoga.
The silence gives me the sence of higher listning to my own body while practising the Asanas.
In my 3rd eye med. I experience the visitation of "admirers" and others. For me the end of the eve. like lets say midnight, when I feel absolutly exhausted and vunerable I start the internal tranz!


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 Anonymous
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20/04/2007 3:06 am  

I find long walks to also help clear my mind and focus my energies. Especially through natural surroundings.


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 Anonymous
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06/06/2007 6:08 pm  

"Your ability to generate power is directly proportional to your ability to relax."
Just had to repeat that one, because it's what it all comes down to. Sleeping is not relaxing. The best time to relax "actively", paradoxically enough, is when you're full of energy to channel. So first thing in the morning. No music. What does someone else's studio music production have to do with your enlightenment?
Just my 2c.


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