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snowonvenus
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Hallo again beloved LAShTAL Community.

I'm more of an Hoor Paar Kraatian silent reader but deeply enjoy the forums in all its diversity and contrary opinion (more or less like the recent thread by gurugeorge descibed).

There's one question regarding the possession of things which already bothers me for years.
I can't seem to find a satisfying answer inside which is why I seek your much appreciated advice and counsel.

Even before Thelema I had this feeling that every object has a magical charge.
Now regardig our temples and instruments there seem to be 2 rather extreme points of view in relation to other human beings:

The first advocates being extremely cautious who enters your temple or touches your magickal equipment. Most of my witchy frieds are like this. They are not really Thelemites, more like Wicca and New Age in all it's facets.
The problem here seems to be that you really need to be alert all the time that nobody corrupts your belongings with their energy.
One of the simplest examples would be our Tarot decks. When you realize they work they get even more precious and the fear that someone pollutes them with even slighty wrong energy grows. I like having some of my favorite tools
with me when I travel but then the assumend danger is even worse. What you own ends up owning you.

The other extreme option would be this hippy thought of sharing everything with everyone. From an Advaitan perspective it's awefully clear that you own nothing in this world.
Nevertheless their is clearly some resistance inside me. On the other hand these elaborate consecration rituals of the Golden Dawn seem like the endlevel of OCD.
I know consecration is a slightly different topic...but maybe one could argue an object is save from new energies if it is consecrated?

Then, there's the obvious horse-sense middle path saying you can share magickal equipment if the other person is respectful and humble.

I'm honestly kind of ashamed that I can't find a real answer to this myself.
I just realized that this approach of always defending my possessions against outside influences could get pretty exhausting in the long run.

I'm sure Crowley wrote something about this in Book 4 or elsewhere but you may know better as I'm getting through his work rather slowly.
Nonetheless I heard even Crowley covered his Obsidian Mirror with silk so nobody else accidently looked inside it. (but that's hearsay, couldn't find the passage in his writings)

In a metaphysical sense all this leads to the question if "I" own anything in this world at all (which I seriously doubt).

What about you guys? Are you paranoid about your magickal equipment, do you share it with gratitude or is there a 3rd way I don't see yet?

Love is the Law,
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I would say that you should keep your stuff absolutely private when not in use. And I do think AC says something to that effect in the earlier part of Book 4 (the older bit that's specifically about the implements), and probably again in Magick Without Tears.

If you're using it in two or more person rituals that's a different story - obviously people will see your implements then, but that's fine.  Though again, only you should be touching your own implements (ahem).

You should have two Tarot packs, one for use with others, one absolutely private for yourself.

Re. Advaita, the advice there would be "don't mix the planes."  Beyond a certain threshold of development there are no fixed rules, below that threshold you have to stick to them rigidly. 

(I think it's either in Moonchild or in Diary of a Drug Fiend where AC talks about this - there's a bit where there's a magical conflict; an Adeptus Major does all the proper circle drawing, banishing, etc., and beats the adversary by going ham on it, while Simon Iff (a Magister Templi) "beats" the adversary by letting it in.  Again, the thing is "don't mix the planes.")


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Thanks, George!

I guessed that it might be about the qabbalistic planes, Shiva loves to talk about.

Wanted to mention them in the opening post but deleted it.

Have to think about it some more but it does resonate. 

 

I also considered the idea with the 2 Tarot decks. So I have my private equipment on the one hand and travelling equipment on the other.

 

By the way is there any way to clean a magickal tool which has been in the hands of another one? (I have this inherited ivory wand which might need some energy cleansing)

Something like a reset.

 

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Banishing is the most basic magick ritual. Banish.

Once you have finished with banishing everything, you are done.


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Banishing is the most basic magick ritual. Banish.

Once you have finished with banishing everything, you are done.

How would you go about banishing magick tools? Just drawing a banishing pentagram of earth above it and saying certain words of power?

 

I mostl just do the LBRP in my little temple before & after meditating. 


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LBRP is meant to banish everything inside the circle, except you.

Put the wand or whatever inside the circle, near you. Radiate your pentagrams outward from the center of the circle (in the middle axis of your body) to the perimeter, and then beyond, to the periphery of the universe. When you have this down, start banishing yourself too.

Lather, rinse, repeat as needed. Until you are done. Also try going straight up on that center axis after banishing, instead of meditating- just go up.

I would also agree that early on, it is much better if no one else touches your magickal tools. Not letting others touch your tarot cards seems extreme- people often want to look at the cards when you do readings, and having two sets seems silly.

After a while, though, any old knife, stick, cup, or flat thing works fine, a la AC on Kachenjunga with ice-axe wand, etc., and then the physical objects become extraneous a la AC on the horse in China doing rituals in his head. Then the rituals become extraneous, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.


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LBRP is meant to banish everything inside the circle, except you.

Put the wand or whatever inside the circle, near you. Radiate your pentagrams outward from the center of the circle (in the middle axis of your body) to the perimeter, and then beyond, to the periphery of the universe. When you have this down, start banishing yourself too.

Thanks for your succinct elaboration of the LBRP, ignant. 

Until now I walked around my altar when doing this ritual. I think it might be more appropriate if I'm in the middle and just pivot in every direction.

How do I banish myself then? Is it the last move of the qabbalistic cross (dagger towards neck)? Or more like the headless/unborn rite?

Lather, rinse, repeat as needed. Until you are done. Also try going straight up on that center axis after banishing, instead of meditating- just go up.

I assume I can visualize what you are alluding to here.

I would also agree that early on, it is much better if no one else touches your magickal tools. Not letting others touch your tarot cards seems extreme- people often want to look at the cards when you do readings, and having two sets seems silly.

I reckon I want to understand the deeper philosophy behind all of this. Why would it be better for a beginner to keep his stuff just to himself? And where does beginner ever end?

 

Regarding the cards, I have to admit I really considered the 2 decks but I understand how it seems silly. Cards are such intriguing objects you would have to lock them away all the time to be sure.

 

After a while, though, any old knife, stick, cup, or flat thing works fine, a la AC on Kachenjunga with ice-axe wand, etc., and then the physical objects become extraneous a la AC on the horse in China doing rituals in his head. Then the rituals become extraneous, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

I stumbled upon these stories somewhere else on LAShTAL, it's certainly what I am aiming for...someday...

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Posted by: @snowonvenus

The first advocates being extremely cautious who enters your temple or touches your magickal equipment.

This is a bunch of superstitious nonsense. On the other hand, let me drop a quote from Outside Solar Lodge ...

It took much labor of preparation to purify the Temple and furnish it with the consecrated implements. Purification and consecration ceremonies take a while.

I essentially followed the directions of the VIIIth Æthyr,1 but took some liberties in modifying the specifics contained in that instruction.

A number of interesting things happened, including the following event: First, no one else was allowed in the Temple except for my assistant, Rena.

Second, one evening, late in the series of ceremonies, at a time when the Temple was completely empty except for the magickal lamp, Rena thought it was okay to show off. Shame on her. She opened the Temple to an uninitiated friend of hers, who was also an acquaint-ance of mine. The friend didn't enter the Temple she just looked at it through the door.

Later that night, Rena confessed to her impropriety and said that her friend was completely scrambled. We then visited with her friend who was a total basket-case. Laying on her couch, she repeated the same thing over and over. It went like this:

"Rena showed me your Temple. I'm sorry. There wasn't anything in it, but … oh my God, that Room! The energy was unbelievable. God … oh, that Room!"

Etcetera ad nauseuum.

(for about an hour)

AC tells us that exposure to a highly-charged adept can unsettle a non-initiate for quite a while. It depends on the "charge" that has been built up. In any case, nobody else should enter the temple, touch anything, or have the slightest idea what you are doing. This "rule" applies to formal workings.

An adept who has already "passed" on his/her instruments, may easily be casual. Who cares who sees or touches what? Unless it is the Borg. Once one internalizes the "power" in an instrument (which is where it was all along), the tool becomes as a used tool.

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maybe one could argue an object is save from new energies if it is consecrated?

One could argue anything. The point is, magical instruments are "charged" instruments. They are supposed to be wrapped in silk or wool and placed inside the altar. The altar, of course, should be lockable.

If you were to consecrate a silver dollar in the manner you suggest, I guarantee it will not last long out on a busy sidewalk.

I have not gotten far into your post, but you are (up-front) citing an extreme Wicca-Hippy range of opinions. We live in a dual world, not advaita. It is everyone's duty (to themselves) to find out where they stand in relation to any set of opposites. I will give you a hint ...

If you're going to play the Magick game, then the instructions are clear. If you expect to build up tools with any amount of power in them, you better keep them insulated. Otherwise, you might as well put on the beads, head down to the beach, and talk about Magick with the Hippies.

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Then, there's the obvious horse-sense middle path saying you can share magickal equipment if the other person is respectful and humble.

[laughter] 

I suppose this would be alright if you were an armchair magician or in a group of magical pretenders. But if you're into High Magick, then the whole deal is between you and the upstairs office (aka the inner sanctuary) - and other folks have no place in the deal. An exception might be made for one's mentor, if applicable.

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I'm honestly kind of ashamed that I can't find a real answer to this myself.

I therefore recommend the school of hard knocks.

First, make instruments - then let associates handle them, use them for money or curses.

Next phase, you really tune the instruments up: Soapy water baths in a baby bather, with a pinch of salt. Purification over the censer fire. Annointment and rubbing with Abramelin oil. All while conjuring the spirit of [Air] for the dagger [other spirits for other tools], while elevated to a control point by your libation. Then let your friends accidentally discover them.

There is a third phase, but time is ticking. From the nature of your question, and your self-described frustration, I (yhe third eye swami) will say that you have no experience in this matter. Not real experience, because if the thing was charged, and the recipient a non-initiate, you would know better, and the pool soul would be written up in your True Tales.

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Are you paranoid about your magickal equipment

This is your second reference to mental illness (the first was "terminal" OCD). I think I've heard everything I needed to say, so I will simply reefer you to any of the many posts lined up between your first and this, my little reminder about How Sirius are You?

 


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Posted by: @snowonvenus

The first advocates being extremely cautious who enters your temple or touches your magickal equipment.

This is a bunch of superstitious nonsense. On the other hand, let me drop a quote from Outside Solar Lodge ...

It took much labor of preparation to purify the Temple and furnish it with the consecrated implements. Purification and consecration ceremonies take a while.

I essentially followed the directions of the VIIIthÆthyr,1 but took some liberties in modifying the specifics contained in that instruction.

A number of interesting things happened, including the following event: First, no one else was allowed in the Temple except for my assistant, Rena.

Second, one evening, late in the series of ceremonies, at a time when the Temple was completely empty except for the magickal lamp, Rena thought it was okay to show off. Shame on her. She opened the Temple to an uninitiated friend of hers, who was also an acquaint-ance of mine. The friend didn't enter the Temple she just looked at it through the door.

Later that night, Rena confessed to her impropriety and said that her friend was completely scrambled. We then visited with her friend who was a total basket-case. Laying on her couch, she repeated the same thing over and over. It went like this:

"Rena showed me your Temple. I'm sorry. There wasn't anything in it, but … oh my God, that Room! The energy was unbelievable. God … oh, that Room!"

Etcetera ad nauseuum.

(for about an hour)

AC tells us that exposure to a highly-charged adept can unsettle a non-initiate for quite a while. It depends on the "charge" that has been built up. In any case, nobody else should enter the temple, touch anything, or have the slightest idea what you are doing. This "rule" applies to formal workings.

An adept who has already "passed" on his/her instruments, may easily be casual. Who cares who sees or touches what? Unless it is the Borg. Once one internalizes the "power" in an instrument (which is where it was all along), the tool becomes as a used tool.

First of all thanks for your pointers. I really hoped (prayed) you would chime in as well. 

I already told you once how much I respect your deep knowledge and real life experience with these things. I have read your book about the holy cactus (Coruscatio) in the meantime, it's a real diamond.

So it is about the different planes? You once shared this story that you burned all your magickal instruments at a certain time. Was this the time you didn't need it anymore as a crutch?

One could argue anything. The point is, magical instruments are "charged" instruments. They are supposed to be wrapped in silk or wool and placed inside the altar. The altar, of course, should be lockable.

If you were to consecrate a silver dollar in the manner you suggest, I guarantee it will not last long out on a busy sidewalk.

I have not gotten far into your post, but you are (up-front) citing an extreme Wicca-Hippy range of opinions. We live in a dual world, not advaita. It is everyone's duty (to themselves) to find out where they stand in relation to any set of opposites. I will give you a hint ...

If you're going to play the Magick game, then the instructions are clear. If you expect to build up tools with any amount of power in them, you better keep them insulated. Otherwise, you might as well put on the beads, head down to the beach, and talk about Magick with the Hippies.

I understand. The thing is, I live in a relatively small (40m²) attic floor near Munich which is the most expensive city in Germany. It's kind of hard to protect everything from visitors.

[laughter] 

I suppose this would be alright if you were an armchair magician or in a group of magical pretenders. But if you're into High Magick, then the whole deal is between you and the upstairs office (aka the inner sanctuary) - and other folks have no place in the deal. An exception might be made for one's mentor, if applicable.

Completely resonates. Thanks.

I therefore recommend the school of hard knocks.

First, make instruments - then let associates handle them, use them for money or curses.

Next phase, you really tune the instruments up: Soapy water baths in a baby bather, with a pinch of salt. Purification over the censer fire. Annointment and rubbing with Abramelin oil. All while conjuring the spirit of [Air] for the dagger [other spirits for other tools], while elevated to a control point by your libation. Then let your friends accidentally discover them.

There is a third phase, but time is ticking. From the nature of your question, and your self-described frustration, I (yhe third eye swami) will say that you have no experience in this matter. Not real experience, because if the thing was charged, and the recipient a non-initiate, you would know better, and the pool soul would be written up in your True Tales.

I gladly admit that I might have no real experience which trancends various strange synchronicities, luck and confirmation bias.

So the school of hard knocks is just trial and error? Sounds risky.

I want to give you some background why this topic in particular moves my soul as much:

See, I always had the impresssion that I might have a problem with greed. The whole "paranoia/OCD" stuff is refering to me as you might have guessed. For countless years most of my nightmares were related to losing precious things I own. 

Over the past few month there was the desire to really confront my greed and fear of losing/sharing things so that I may get closer to real wisdom and a life of virtue. I shared some things, even gave my beloved scrying ball to a lady because it direclty rolled to her feet.  The nightmares have ceased and it was a instructive period.

 

On the other hand I now realized that I want to purify and consecrate my things again so they can really get this "charge" you are talking of. Would you advise to do this repeatedly or just once?

I always have these doubts in the back of my mind that it's not purified, banished or consecrated enough...but maybe these doubt will just never go away and that's okay.

 

Are you paranoid about your magickal equipment

This is your second reference to mental illness (the first was "terminal" OCD). I think I've heard everything I needed to say, so I will simply reefer you to any of the many posts lined up between your first and this, my little reminder about How Sirius are You?

 

I try to be as Sirius as possible. Please be kind unto me.

 

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Posted by: @snowonvenus

I always have these doubts in the back of my mind that it's not purified, banished or consecrated enough...but maybe these doubt will just never go away and that's okay.

Ah! If you're thinking of it that way, try thinking of it the other way round, that you're doing something to put your mind at ease. IOW don't fret over whether you're having a causal effect on the instruments or not, but just enjoy and be enthusiastic about the rituals and let yourself get carried away by the performance.

Remember that "Maybe" right at the beginning of all the instructions in Liber O.  If thinking of Magick as real gives you ease, think of it that way, if worry about its real effectiveness or lack thereof starts to take up mental space, then think of it the other way - that it's an operation on your own psyche (a la Jung or something like that).  Maybe lucid dreaming while awake is all there is to it.  After all, there are lots of occasions when things seem real but aren't.  Maybe Magick is like that, maybe it isn't.  The metaphysical status of things (though an interesting topic in its own right) isn't important to the practice, what's important is doing things with enthusiasm, persistence and intensity, and seeing what happens.

Think on the basic instruction on Yama/Niyama in Eight Lectures on Yoga: you restrict habits of life that are causing mental/emotional fluttering, and you inculcate habits that give you focus and enthusiasm.


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So it is about the different planes? You once shared this story that you burned all your magickal instruments at a certain time. Was this the time you didn't need it anymore as a crutch?

Yes, you could attribute it (the instruments' charge) to planes. The higher one goes (in consciousness) when building these tools, the greater (and more subtle) the charge.

I didn't actually "burn" the instruments. They were taken away (twice) by my guru-overlady-grandmaster-guide. Then I (sort of) restored the items for the VIIIth Aethyr operation. The first thing I was "told" was to activate the "power" in(side) myself - for each instrument ... then to toss it outside the circle. 

A year later, I still had a few links (talismans, photos, emblems) left over from the OTO-Tong days, and it was those that got "burned" (literally). But metal objects in a censer don't melt - they just dissipate their charge. Paper burns and precious metal(s) go into the recycling jar (for melting later).

So, yes, of course I didn't need it (them) any more. But this was not my motivation. My motivation for losing the original finely-crafted instruments was entirely passive (my guru sent her agents to steal them). My secondary "burning" of smaller items was to break any/all links with past performances.

My wife was different. She built up the armory, then years later she got the message to cut them loose. No theft, no fire, just a trip out into the really remote wilderness to bury them (a "Back to Nature" gesture). I have a really good pic (taken by her associate) of her on that day, after that burial. I will try to post it here ...

 

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I understand. The thing is, I live in a relatively small (40m²) attic floor near Munich which is the most expensive city in Germany. It's kind of hard to protect everything from visitors.

Then you disguise the altar and the "temple" aspect (although an invisible temple still stands. The instruments are wrapped up and tucked away (a LOCKED up if necessary).

The charge of the circle itself is only there when it's "open," and we always "close" a circle after our exercises, right? The residual charge left over after workings, even if the formal circle is "closed," is a good test for visitors. If they begin to exhibit mental or emotional disturbance (or if they try to kill/fill you), then you know they probably don't need to be re-invited for visitation.

You really only need to be concerned about this visitors deal when you're actively engaged in a specific operation (like evocations, or Solar Angel deals, or 30 Aethyr things - which should best be done outdoors in the nowhereland).

Otherwise, if you're just doing daily Masses of the Firebird, or the usual banishing-invocation-rajayoga stabilizing rites ... who cares who sees what? Or touches what?

Specific rites, where you turn into an underground (up in the attic) alchemist, are when you get "guarded." But paranoia is not required. The pure mind (haha) does not set up adversarial scenarios. The idea is to guard a charged instrument from ANY influence, including your own fiddling, except for the "charge" that was placed upon/in it. Thus, a disk is EARTH, and it grounds the energies of the operation. If one were to be stripped of utensiles (by looters or one's guru), eating off the Hollee Disk is appropriate (a Disk is a plate or a shield, and food is the Earth element we shovel into our vehicle).

Condolences on living downtown (or uptown). I faced the same dilemma. I wanted out into the rural, but was always driven back to Los Angeles, the City of the fallen Angels.

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So the school of hard knocks is just trial and error? Sounds risky.

But there is an underlying or overriding rule that takes any edge off. Play the game as The Game. Excessive seriousness draws in heavy vibes - these ground (short out) any higher, subtle currents. At the core of our being, we are dead serious, but it does bog us down because it's all energy. At the periphery, we must remain light (unheavy) and we must relate to heavy matter via the wu-wei. This, of course, is not easy. It might be the hardest thing of all, 'til one gets practiced.

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See, I always had the impresssion that I might have a problem with greed. The whole "paranoia/OCD" stuff is refering to me as you might have guessed. For countless years most of my nightmares were related to losing precious things I own. 

Aha. See a doctor. Well, I'm a doctor, and you're not obnoxious. So we can continue. It seems you have come to the heart of the dilemma. The operative word is attachment. Yes, we must become non-attached.  Detached implies "spaced out."  Non-attached implies that we focus on one thing at a time (dharana), then when we switch to the next task, the previous thing (or any other thing) does not intrude upon the "new dharana."

Inherent conditions, (OCD, Paranoia, Manic-Depressive, Personality Disorders, Schizophrenia - we all tend towards one (or [gasp] more) of these. In most of us, our inherited off-center condition is built-into the DNA, so we're all up against a date with the judge in insanity court ... unless we can appear to be normal. It is the Ego that mediates between our Id core and society ... but it is also the Ego that is at the center of the Latin-named conditions. What a paradox.

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I shared some things, even gave my beloved scrying ball to a lady because it direclty rolled to her feet.  The nightmares have ceased and it was a instructive period.

You don't need a doctor. You are merely concerned about re-igniting the "It's mine - don't touch it" syndrome. Well, there is a middle way. Just don't worry about it. Do the best you can to secret the hot items during intense operations that usually last only a few days or weeks. Plan on giving the stuff away after you are completely finished with the operation. If you're holding things for a big operation (Solar Angel, 30 Aires, Trip to Tibet), then just keep them quietly aside. Feel free to purchase cheap (but suitable) replicas of daggers, wands, et al, to leave conspiculously lying around for visitors to handle and admire.

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Would you advise to do this repeatedly or just once?

The key to all this "energy charge" stuff is that one must have a way of sensing what is going on. The easiest to develop (really easy, in fact) is tactile. If one picks up a "charged" item, they should feel it in the hand/fingers. To jump start this, just get a small (1/4" inch chunk) of Moldavite. It posesses a natural charge of the type we are discussing. If you feel it by holding it, then you know what to "feel" for in an instrument. 

If you can't feel the Moldavite's energy, then give up or look for hope or help in other closets.

If instruments are kept secure, once is enough. If one is re-assembling their engines for another assault on eLGMORE Abiegunus, I would do the whole circus all over again.

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I always have these doubts in the back of my mind that it's not purified, banished or consecrated enough...but maybe these doubt will just never go away and that's okay.

I would say, "It's not okay." I would advise, "Do it the best you can, then move on." Lingering doubts will catch you from behind later on. Try to rember, It's a Game, and if the dagger cuts flesh or doesn't melt in the fire, it's okay. The dagger is the Air/Metal phase of the Tai Chi. It is your mind. If it thinks straight and doesn't melt down under intense mental computations, it's okay.

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I try to be as Sirius as possible. Please be kind unto me.

You're doing fine. Since you have not been called out for schizophrenia, fascism, or stupidity, everyone will be kinda kind to you.


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Yes, you could attribute it (the instruments' charge) to planes. The higher one goes (in consciousness) when building these tools, the greater (and more subtle) the charge.

I didn't actually "burn" the instruments. They were taken away (twice) by my guru-overlady-grandmaster-guide. Then I (sort of) restored the items for the VIIIth Aethyr operation. The first thing I was "told" was to activate the "power" in(side) myself - for each instrument ... then to toss it outside the circle. 

A year later, I still had a few links (talismans, photos, emblems) left over from the OTO-Tong days, and it was those that got "burned" (literally). But metal objects in a censer don't melt - they just dissipate their charge. Paper burns and precious metal(s) go into the recycling jar (for melting later).

So, yes, of course I didn't need it (them) any more. But this was not my motivation. My motivation for losing the original finely-crafted instruments was entirely passive (my guru sent her agents to steal them). My secondary "burning" of smaller items was to break any/all links with past performances.

My wife was different. She built up the armory, then years later she got the message to cut them loose. No theft, no fire, just a trip out into the really remote wilderness to bury them (a "Back to Nature" gesture). I have a really good pic (taken by her associate) of her on that day, after that burial. I will try to post it here ...

 

First of all thanks for your long and elaborate responses. I deeply appreciate them and read them carefully.

I don't take this for granted.

 

I imagine your wife must look very happy and content on those pictures...

would be delighted to see them!

Then you disguise the altar and the "temple" aspect (although an invisible temple still stands. The instruments are wrapped up and tucked away (a LOCKED up if necessary).

The charge of the circle itself is only there when it's "open," and we always "close" a circle after our exercises, right? The residual charge left over after workings, even if the formal circle is "closed," is a good test for visitors. If they begin to exhibit mental or emotional disturbance (or if they try to kill/fill you), then you know they probably don't need to be re-invited for visitation.

You really only need to be concerned about this visitors deal when you're actively engaged in a specific operation (like evocations, or Solar Angel deals, or 30 Aethyr things - which should best be done outdoors in the nowhereland).

Otherwise, if you're just doing daily Masses of the Firebird, or the usual banishing-invocation-rajayoga stabilizing rites ... who cares who sees what? Or touches what?

Specific rites, where you turn into an underground (up in the attic) alchemist, are when you get "guarded." But paranoia is not required. The pure mind (haha) does not set up adversarial scenarios. The idea is to guard a charged instrument from ANY influence, including your own fiddling, except for the "charge" that was placed upon/in it. Thus, a disk is EARTH, and it grounds the energies of the operation. If one were to be stripped of utensiles (by looters or one's guru), eating off the Hollee Disk is appropriate (a Disk is a plate or a shield, and food is the Earth element we shovel into our vehicle).

Condolences on living downtown (or uptown). I faced the same dilemma. I wanted out into the rural, but was always driven back to Los Angeles, the City of the fallen Angels.

These are excellent recommendations. 

Oh, and condolences on living in LA for such a long time. Always loved TOOL's aenima and the famous Distillers song...but good to know that a few bright lights live there as well. Maybe some of the best people need to go to the deepest hell to flourish.

 

Aha. See a doctor. Well, I'm a doctor, and you're not obnoxious. So we can continue. It seems you have come to the heart of the dilemma. The operative word is attachment. Yes, we must become non-attached.  Detached implies "spaced out."  Non-attached implies that we focus on one thing at a time (dharana), then when we switch to the next task, the previous thing (or any other thing) does not intrude upon the "new dharana."

Inherent conditions, (OCD, Paranoia, Manic-Depressive, Personality Disorders, Schizophrenia - we all tend towards one (or [gasp] more) of these. In most of us, our inherited off-center condition is built-into the DNA, so we're all up against a date with the judge in insanity court ... unless we can appear to be normal. It is the Ego that mediates between our Id core and society ... but it is also the Ego that is at the center of the Latin-named conditions. What a paradox.

I always found it hard to differentiate where Ceremonial Magick ends and OCD starts. After all the diagnose you get with most forms of OCD is "magical thinking". Seeing meaning and connection where science does not.

You don't need a doctor. You are merely concerned about re-igniting the "It's mine - don't touch it" syndrome. Well, there is a middle way. Just don't worry about it. Do the best you can to secret the hot items during intense operations that usually last only a few days or weeks. Plan on giving the stuff away after you are completelyfinished with the operation. If you're holding things for a big operation (Solar Angel, 30 Aires, Trip to Tibet), then just keep them quietly aside. Feel free to purchase cheap (but suitable) replicas of daggers, wands, et al, to leave conspiculously lying around for visitors to handle and admire.

This nails it pretty much. I knew that I had to conquer my attachment to material things but went a bit far out of my confort zone in this process. Just too much chaosmagick and letting go of control if you will.

 

But like I said it's hard for me to really draw the line between superstitious OCD and genuine care for my magickal practise. 2 examples might enlighten you on my anxious mind:

 

First there is this favorite pack of tarot cards I imported from the US (and custom charges are horrendous for some years I tell you). It's an enochian deck that I just love. I always used it for myself but took it to a party once when I was in a hurry. I gave several reading that night. Afterwards the doubts that it might have been "contaminated" by a particular disregardful person never really got away. I tried to consecrate it again but it just doesn't feel like before. 

Long story short I considered ordering the cards again with the immense import costs...and using the other ones for travelling. Nevertheless it seems extreme so I wanted to ask before blindly following my need for (energetic) cleanliness.

 

I mean...can't EVERYTHING be purified again?

 

Then there's a second example regarding my inherited favorite wand. I followed your baby bathing/salt recommendations yesterday...and have to say it feels in mint condition now!

But just for the protocol in analysing my superstition:

One day in our hippy-ayahuasca-changa-MDMA-let's share everything Zeitgeist my best friend accidentally cut his finger and I spotaneously thought he should touch my wand with a drop of his blood. Afterwards as you may have guessed I was concerned that my wand ~somehow~ lost it's power to him and won't serve me anymore. 

I'm a little ashamed as my concerns sound more like Potter or LoTR then High Magick but I want to be completly honest about my infirmities. I started with Agrippa and Runes before discovering Thelema and there blood is immensly significant.

But like I mentioned above, the baby bath really did it's magick.

 

Just my Tarot cards don't yet feel like before as bathing might be no option. 

 

The key to all this "energy charge" stuff is that one must have a way of sensing what is going on. The easiest to develop (really easy, in fact) is tactile. If one picks up a "charged" item, they should feel it in the hand/fingers. To jump start this, just get a small (1/4" inch chunk) of Moldavite. It posesses a natural charge of the type we are discussing. If you feel it by holding it, then you know what to "feel" for in an instrument. 

 
I'll get the Moldavite as soon as possible. I think I'm far from your tactile sensibilty but always had this feeling for the charge of objects no matter what item. That's why I am so prone to these concerns in the first place.
 
Of course I often thought about AL I, 22 when pondering on this topic:
 
"Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt."
 
Alas it's a suggestion from beyond the abyss and may not help me on my level in this hierarchy.
I obviously feel the truth in this statement but I feel unable to really implement it.

I would say, "It's not okay." I would advise, "Do it the best you can, then move on." Lingering doubts will catch you from behind later on. Try to rember, It's a Game, and if the dagger cuts flesh or doesn't melt in the fire, it's okay. The dagger is the Air/Metal phase of the Tai Chi. It is your mind. If it thinks straight and doesn't melt down under intense mental computations, it's okay.

What about the pink elephant? Can I really repress these thoughts and doubts?

It's my hitherto existing experience of life that I can't even control my ~next~ thought so it seems in vain trying to circumvent doubts entering my mind.

 

I think at the bottom of all this self imposed drama there's this age old question of free will and determination. Can anything happen that "should not" happen? If the answer is "no" then there was never any problem just learning and enjoying the show.

I'm sure this has been discussed here ad nauseam over the past decades but I haven't used the search yet. Will do in the nighttime.

 

You're doing fine. Since you have not been called out for schizophrenia, fascism, or stupidity, everyone will be kinda kind to you.

Much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time. You're of tremendous help, Shiva.


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Maybe some of the best people need to go to the deepest hell to flourish.

Frankly, it is a matter of Money. Unless one is well-stacked with coins and bonds, there's not much opportunity in rurality to earn money ... to be able to live indoors and eat food from the store. I had some fantastic, long-term living scenarios out in the country, but I was always driven back to Metropol. That changes when one "retires" - if there's a Social Security and/or other end-stage funds.

Just think, before the Middle Ages, everybody lived in the countryside. The idea was to have your own castle ... the forerunner of modern cities.

There was also this admonition, back a long time ago, that says You always have to work from the center of a city. I never really figured out why, and kept trying to escape (and did for a few whiles), but The Universal Principle kept catching me and taking me back to jail.

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Seeing meaning and connection where science does not.

Right. This is acausal stuff, and as such, it is not trackable with the linear mind, and thus profane science drops out. The test is whether it helps or hinders in the 3D world. If it's really some "divine guidance" or "causal plane, abstract meaning," then it's going to quietly smooth your day through quiet wu-wei. If it's just hair-brained , monkey-mind chatter, then thing will get difficult, won't they?

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I mean...can't EVERYTHING be purified again?

Sure. As long as it didn't get broken, lost, melted down, or burned up in the first experiment. If so, one can always rebuild or rebuy the deceased item.

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I'm a little ashamed as my concerns sound more like Potter or LoTR then High Magick but I want to be completly honest about my infirmities.

Now, don't go embarrassing other people who mask their vices in funny actions. This absolute honesty (with one's self) is absolutely necessary when one does a tour of duty in Netzach. This is the psychological realm, the world of the unconscious and The Shasow. No wonder more aspirants fail at Netzach than any other sphere/grade.

 This aspect of the path is barely/hardly ever written about in the Liber-docs, but I certainly keep brining it up in my books and posts ( along with Jerry Cornelius, who brought the Netzach Failure Rate to my attention. Holy Bull, I thought (of my own observations of who fell where in battle), That is obviously correct! And so I became devoted to irritating people by reminding them that Netzach is the Hell of Psychology.

By "unconscious," I am not referring to the whole great big collective unconscious, the one that everyone can get into - once they poke their peeker through that pesky Veil of Paroketh. Neti-neti, not that one. I refer to the personal unconscious (which I term the "sub-conscious," which is not necessarily in line with any school of psychology, and they differ on sub- and un- differentiation anyway).

Netzach is the right-brain portion of the limbic brain, which is pretty primitive. But then we're all just monkeys down here below the Veil, the ionosphere of our mind that reflects radio-thought signals back to Earth. But we all know we're not monkeys because some of that really high frequency stuff gets through that ionosphere from time to time.

I thoroughly recommend the deepest possible examination of these seemingly-neurotic patterns. We all have them, one or another quirk. It only becomes "neurotic" when it becomes some sort of problem for one's self or others, such as worrying,anxiety-producing, distraction, or pissing other people off (or possibly just making them laugh).

One of the basic business plans of psychology is to get the client to see the problem themselves. This can be really very hard. You have already done this part, so save your psych bill money for something else.

The second part is that once the client has seen, then the dynamics can be dealt with consciously. The shrink is no longer needed. I am reminded of Sole the first half of the equation ...

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always had this feeling for the charge of objects no matter what item. That's why I am so prone to these concerns in the first place.

Aha. And my next point in this session, whose time is just about up, is to say that once one knows the dynamics, and is dealing with it consciously, is to ask - Where did this come from? Source material, you see.

So is it inherited DNA sensitivity? This would be the same as the karma concept - either way, it's in your bag.

Or is it some siddhi developed from a childhood ecstasy or trauma?

I would note that excessive sensitivity is often a hallmark of a high-grade initiate. Then, as you suggest, one gets a one-way ticket to the densest compression areas of the problems of humanity. I have told my own tale of sensitivity, so I'll not go over that again.

You seem tuned up pretty well already, but I'd still recommend the Moldavite. The smallest piece of uncut rock is suitable. Such things used to cost $10.

I just went meteorite-hunting. The very item I mentioned is now $15.95, which is pretty cheap considering 50 years of inflation. Here ...

https://pendant-world.com/moldavite-0.15-0.29-gram-small-genuine-specimen-with-gift-box-and-certificate.html

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Just my Tarot cards don't yet feel like before as bathing might be no option. 

Rub a bit of salt (gently) over them. 

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"Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt."

This is a direct perception, a gnosis, that occurs at a very high level (Um, loss of separate self level). That's cool. But down below (any level that uses a separate self as a reference point), discrimination becomes the watchword. Around here, we often have to discriminate (tell the difference) between precious gems and Old Shinola Cans, on an abstract level. The no difference concept is also taught in the martial arts, often from the beginning, and it is an abstrct notion until the higher grade levels.

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Can I really repress these thoughts and doubts?

Oh, no. Net-neti. You'll have to spend that money you saved. I only see one option ... known to all psychonauts and advanced yogis and yoginis, everywhere, except for the Romulan and Klingon zones ... While concentrating on something, or nothing, thoughts, visions, irritations, and ecstasies may come upon you. Merely note their appearance, watch as an observer, and let things move on without engaging in the drama.

Yes, this is the Official Guidance Protocol for saving one's (separated) self from bad acid trips. The only problem is that sometimes the visions reach out and grab you in full emotional release and mental turmoil. Oh, crap, the detached mode didn't work.

Same thing with instruments. Pick up the Cup/Chalice/Grail. Sense it's purity. A thought intrudes, Oh, crap! What if that last virgin's blood I put in there contaminated this sparkling pure concentration of the Water element that the Heathen Chinese call Zhi (Will)? What if [gasp] she wasn't a virgin? Oh, lord, this can upset the delicate balance of the whole holy House of cards. What if she wasn't Atu II, but Atu XV?

If one were on acid, these thoughts, along with horrifying emotions, can zoom by in about three micro-seconds. In life, they tend to drag on. But the rule is the same ... Acknowledge it, accept that it might be true, re-examine the Cup, wash it up in salt water if it seems out-of-tune, and get on with the next instrument (and its attendant perfections, imperfections, and horrors ... with more salt and water.

Note: Doing this with the entire armory, once a week, would be overkill and a basis for a true OCD diagnosis with restraints. The common sense, middle path method of approach would be Do it once ... but be prepared to redo any item that really gets handled or used by another, or is contaminated with foreign matter (like the stinking substance you keep in your black box. Now that would be something to offer to visitors.

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I think at the bottom of all this self imposed drama there's this age old question of free will and determination. Can anything happen that "should not" happen?

It is my personal belief system, no "proof" being admissible to The Tribunal or to the Civil or Criminal Court System (R.I.P.), that we all come in with a certain pre-destined vector (angle and momentum). This is built into the DNA (call it karma).

But then as soon as the vehicle is out of the baby factory, outside forces begin to act upon that vector. Read any basic physics textbook.

These outside forces would not necessarily alter (change) the primary vector ... unless the toddler was in a state of iprint vulnerability. Imprints can change the vector. This goes on and on, until a young adult starts to wake up (something above the ionosphere gets through) and decides to take control. Then the fucking bad imprints kick up. We call them, complexes, demons, neuoses, that sort of thing - depending on your cultural bias (Netzach).

Oh, boy, this crap will drive you nuts. Let me offer a touch of relief. These imprints ("accidents") can be controlled to a certain extent. But they will still remain there, influencing the vehicle and messing with the mind, until ... Geburah, 6=5, Major Dude.

The Adeptus Major becomes proficient in practical magic (of the second-class variety, of course). A neuro-psychonaut would say that this is the first level whereat a person can permanently re-wire the imprint circuitry of the outer vehicle. This is in reference to the sisth, electric neurocircuit, which is commonly called the metaprogramming circuit. Meta- means "beyond." We cannot re-wire our programming from below. This is why psychology doesn't work well in the 3D world. We must get to Geburah, to pull this trick off.

I see no difference between practical magic (of the 2nd caste) and re-wiring the vehicle circuitry.

Now none of this stuff would get to us if we didn't have certain (pre-programmed - karma) vulnerabilities or sensitivities. So we get what's coming to us. We don't have any choice, do we? Shit happens. We have entered The Burning ground of purification when we irrevocably set our right or left foot upon The Path (see Yesod).

This entire process, as I have just described it, is merely a preliminary list of Things To Do that can be found under "finding one's Will."

 

 

 


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Hallo again beloved LAShTAL Community.

I'm more of an Hoor Paar Kraatian silent reader but deeply enjoy the forums in all its diversity and contrary opinion (more or less like the recent thread by gurugeorge descibed).

There's one question regarding the possession of things which already bothers me for years.
I can't seem to find a satisfying answer inside which is why I seek your much appreciated advice and counsel.

Even before Thelema I had this feeling that every object has a magical charge.
Now regardig our temples and instruments there seem to be 2 rather extreme points of view in relation to other human beings:

The first advocates being extremely cautious who enters your temple or touches your magickal equipment. Most of my witchy frieds are like this. They are not really Thelemites, more like Wicca and New Age in all it's facets.
The problem here seems to be that you really need to be alert all the time that nobody corrupts your belongings with their energy.
One of the simplest examples would be our Tarot decks. When you realize they work they get even more precious and the fear that someone pollutes them with even slighty wrong energy grows. I like having some of my favorite tools
with me when I travel but then the assumend danger is even worse. What you own ends up owning you.

The other extreme option would be this hippy thought of sharing everything with everyone. From an Advaitan perspective it's awefully clear that you own nothing in this world.
Nevertheless their is clearly some resistance inside me. On the other hand these elaborate consecration rituals of the Golden Dawn seem like the endlevel of OCD.
I know consecration is a slightly different topic...but maybe one could argue an object is save from new energies if it is consecrated?

Then, there's the obvious horse-sense middle path saying you can share magickal equipment if the other person is respectful and humble.

I'm honestly kind of ashamed that I can't find a real answer to this myself.
I just realized that this approach of always defending my possessions against outside influences could get pretty exhausting in the long run.

I'm sure Crowley wrote something about this in Book 4 or elsewhere but you may know better as I'm getting through his work rather slowly.
Nonetheless I heard even Crowley covered his Obsidian Mirror with silk so nobody else accidently looked inside it. (but that's hearsay, couldn't find the passage in his writings)

In a metaphysical sense all this leads to the question if "I" own anything in this world at all (which I seriously doubt).

What about you guys? Are you paranoid about your magickal equipment, do you share it with gratitude or is there a 3rd way I don't see yet?

Love is the Law,
Snow
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I don't let anyone touch my magickal gear.  Even if I haven't used them in a few days or weeks (doing astral work or being lazy doing nothing at all) they still have their charge.

I would advise you to keep them sacred. 

Otherwise , what's the point?

This isn't like sharing a pen at the post office. 


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Posted by: @christibrany

This isn't like sharing a pen at the post office. 

I try to avoid using goverment pens or medical office pens whenever possible, due to inherent cooties and poor ink flow. Nobody gets to use my pen without receiving a scowling - it is my psychologically-substituted samurai sword.

The querent is fully aware of both the sacred rules and the free-wheeling hippie mode. His question revolves around an internal conflict about where to draw the line. The imposition of rules does not work, as they put pressure on an internal confliction. We are working our way through the fifty-one shades of black and white.

 


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@shiva 

 

Well, I tell said aspirant don't let nobody touch nothin'.

 

Don't never touch a black man's radio. 

 

Just my two cents. 

Will I rant and rave about it? no.

But I will be annoyed since I said 'don't touch that' 


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This post might be some of the best guidance I received in a long time. 
So again...thanks very much, Frater Shiva.
 
I try to let it ease down and integrate it before going further. That's why I sometimes take time with ansewering. Hope that's okay.

 

Just think, before the Middle Ages, everybody lived in the countryside. The idea was to have your own castle ... the forerunner of modern cities.

There was also this admonition, back a long time ago, that says You always have to work from the center of a city. I never really figured out why, and kept trying to escape (and did for a few whiles), but The Universal Principle kept catching me and taking me back to jail.

I'm relatively sure that a castle is the best way to get by.

The city center idea resonates however Our Lord Hadit can be the center everywhere, right?

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Seeing meaning and connection where science does not.

Right. This is acausal stuff, and as such, it is not trackable with the linear mind, and thus profane science drops out. The test is whether it helps or hinders in the 3D world. If it's really some "divine guidance" or "causal plane, abstract meaning," then it's going to quietly smooth your day through quiet wu-wei. If it's just hair-brained , monkey-mind chatter, then thing will get difficult, won't they?

Posted by: @snowonvenus

I mean...can't EVERYTHING be purified again?

Sure. As long as it didn't get broken, lost, melted down, or burned up in the first experiment. If so, one can always rebuild or rebuy the deceased item.

You mentioned purification over the censer after the salt bath. Which incence would be appropriate?

Intuitively I would just go with frankincense.

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I'm a little ashamed as my concerns sound more like Potter or LoTR then High Magick but I want to be completly honest about my infirmities.

Now, don't go embarrassing other people who mask their vices in funny actions. This absolute honesty (with one's self) is absolutely necessary when one does a tour of duty in Netzach. This is the psychological realm, the world of the unconscious and The Shasow. No wonder more aspirants fail at Netzach than any other sphere/grade.

 This aspect of the path is barely/hardly ever written about in the Liber-docs, but I certainly keep brining it up in my books and posts ( along with Jerry Cornelius, who brought the Netzach Failure Rate to my attention. Holy Bull, I thought (of my own observations of who fell where in battle), That is obviously correct! And so I became devoted to irritating people by reminding them that Netzach is the Hell of Psychology.

By "unconscious," I am not referring to the whole great big collective unconscious, the one that everyone can get into - once they poke their peeker through that pesky Veil of Paroketh. Neti-neti, not that one. I refer to the personal unconscious (which I term the "sub-conscious," which is not necessarily in line with any school of psychology, and they differ on sub- and un- differentiation anyway).

Netzach is the right-brain portion of the limbic brain, which is pretty primitive. But then we're all just monkeys down here below the Veil, the ionosphere of our mind that reflects radio-thought signals back to Earth. But we all know we're not monkeys because some of that really high frequency stuff gets through that ionosphere from time to time.

I thoroughly recommend the deepest possible examination of these seemingly-neurotic patterns. We all have them, one or another quirk. It only becomes "neurotic" when it becomes some sort of problem for one's self or others, such as worrying,anxiety-producing, distraction, or pissing other people off (or possibly just making them laugh).

One of the basic business plans of psychology is to get the client to see the problem themselves. This can be really very hard. You have already done this part, so save your psych bill money for something else.

The second part is that once the client has seen, then the dynamics can be dealt with consciously. The shrink is no longer needed. I am reminded of Sole the first half of the equation ...

I remember you wrote about it. It my case the biggest shadow topic is control.

Regardless if I want to control my mind & thoughts or my precious possessions (the subject of this thread). My past undertakings in controlling my thoughts with mantras weren't all too glorious. It became obsessive again and just repressed any kind of negative feelings. The master Therion writes that might be the point but it surely felt unhealthy and diminished my concentrarion pretty much.

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always had this feeling for the charge of objects no matter what item. That's why I am so prone to these concerns in the first place.

Aha. And my next point in this session, whose time is just about up, is to say that once one knows the dynamics, and is dealing with it consciously, is to ask - Where did this come from? Source material, you see.

So is it inherited DNA sensitivity? This would be the same as the karma concept - either way, it's in your bag.

Or is it some siddhi developed from a childhood ecstasy or trauma?

I would note that excessive sensitivity is often a hallmark of a high-grade initiate. Then, as you suggest, one gets a one-way ticket to the densest compression areas of the problems of humanity. I have told my own tale of sensitivity, so I'll not go over that again.

You seem tuned up pretty well already, but I'd still recommend the Moldavite. The smallest piece of uncut rock is suitable. Such things used to cost $10.

I just went meteorite-hunting. The very item I mentioned is now $15.95, which is pretty cheap considering 50 years of inflation. Here ...

https://pendant-world.com/moldavite-0.15-0.29-gram-small-genuine-specimen-with-gift-box-and-certificate.html

I placed the order! Thanks for your hunt! As it's within the EU the customs may have mercy this time.

I might be tuned up pretty well to the energy of objects...however you're right indeed that I never tried to really "scientifically" charge up my things. It was more like intuitively choosing gemstones, incense and charging plates instead of following our tradition. 

I found all the essential oils on amazon to make Abramelin oil. I'm excited how much of a difference I may sense.

 

I would gladly read your tale of sensitivity. 

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Just my Tarot cards don't yet feel like before as bathing might be no option. 

Rub a bit of salt (gently) over them. 

I suppose sprinkling some salt over the whole deck/topmost card was enough or did you mean every card singly?

However I'm amazed! What an immense difference!

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"Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt."

This is a direct perception, a gnosis, that occurs at a very high level (Um, loss of separate self level). That's cool. But down below (any level that uses a separate self as a reference point), discrimination becomes the watchword. Around here, we often have to discriminate (tell the difference) between precious gems and Old Shinola Cans, on an abstract level. The no difference concept is also taught in the martial arts, often from the beginning, and it is an abstrct notion until the higher grade levels.

Yes, I humbly try to accept where I am in this pecking order.

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Can I really repress these thoughts and doubts?

Oh, no. Net-neti. You'll have to spend that money you saved. I only see one option ... known to all psychonauts and advanced yogis and yoginis, everywhere, except for the Romulan and Klingon zones ... While concentrating on something, or nothing, thoughts, visions, irritations, and ecstasies may come upon you. Merely note their appearance, watch as an observer, and let things move on without engaging in the drama.

Yes, this is the Official Guidance Protocol for saving one's (separated) self from bad acid trips. The only problem is that sometimes the visions reach out and grab you in full emotional release and mental turmoil. Oh, crap, the detached mode didn't work.

I fully acknowledge the Offcal Guidance Protocol. But yea...there's this pesky point when the detached mode doesn't work anymore. It just seems to be individual to every star.

Same thing with instruments. Pick up the Cup/Chalice/Grail. Sense it's purity. A thought intrudes, Oh, crap! What if that last virgin's blood I put in there contaminated this sparkling pure concentration of the Water element that the Heathen Chinese call Zhi (Will)? What if [gasp] she wasn't a virgin? Oh, lord, this can upset the delicate balance of the whole holy House of cards. What if she wasn't Atu II, but Atu XV?

Haha. I can relate so much...

Also thought about the scarlet woman in this regard. Can even she contamine the energy of things?

I mean you regularly meet these people who have such a pleasant or powerful energy that you can't imagine that they pollute anything. On the other hand, maybe it's the whole idea of magical instruments that they ONLY carry my energy and I shouldn't share them with anybody no matter how big my sympathy.

If one were on acid, these thoughts, along with horrifying emotions, can zoom by in about three micro-seconds. In life, they tend to drag on. But the rule is the same ... Acknowledge it, accept that it might be true, re-examine the Cup, wash it up in salt water if it seems out-of-tune, and get on with the next instrument (and its attendant perfections, imperfections, and horrors ... with more salt and water.

Note: Doing this with the entire armory, once a week, would be overkill and a basis for a true OCD diagnosis with restraints. The common sense, middle path method of approach would be Do it once ... but be prepared to redo any item that really gets handled or used by another, or is contaminated with foreign matter (like the stinking substance you keep in your black box. Now that would be something to offer to visitors.

I will try. I think my OCD always asks where does "handling" start. 

Like someone who has a panic-fuelled fear of viruses and washes his hands on every little occation.

I our context...suppose I'm doing a ritual and control the music via my smartphone or remote control which may have been on any number of unholy places. However it seems complete overkill to worry about something like that. You're quiet wu wei may be the antidote.

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I think at the bottom of all this self imposed drama there's this age old question of free will and determination. Can anything happen that "should not" happen?

It is my personal belief system, no "proof" being admissible to The Tribunal or to the Civil or Criminal Court System (R.I.P.), that we all come in with a certain pre-destined vector (angle and momentum). This is built into the DNA (call it karma).

But then as soon as the vehicle is out of the baby factory, outside forces begin to act upon that vector. Read any basic physics textbook.

These outside forces would not necessarily alter (change) the primary vector ... unless the toddler was in a state of iprint vulnerability. Imprints can change the vector. This goes on and on, until a young adult starts to wake up (something above the ionosphere gets through) and decides to take control. Then the fucking bad imprints kick up. We call them, complexes, demons, neuoses, that sort of thing - depending on your cultural bias (Netzach).

Oh, boy, this crap will drive you nuts. Let me offer a touch of relief. These imprints ("accidents") can be controlled to a certain extent. But they will still remain there, influencing the vehicle and messing with the mind, until ... Geburah, 6=5, Major Dude.

The Adeptus Major becomes proficient in practical magic (of the second-class variety, of course). A neuro-psychonaut would say that this is the first level whereat a person can permanently re-wire the imprint circuitry of the outer vehicle. This is in reference to the sisth, electric neurocircuit, which is commonly called the metaprogramming circuit. Meta- means "beyond." We cannot re-wire our programming from below. This is why psychology doesn't work well in the 3D world. We must get to Geburah, to pull this trick off.

I see no difference between practical magic (of the 2nd caste) and re-wiring the vehicle circuitry.

Now none of this stuff would get to us if we didn't have certain (pre-programmed - karma) vulnerabilities or sensitivities. So we get what's coming to us. We don't have any choice, do we? Shit happens. We have entered The Burning ground of purification when we irrevocably set our right or left foot upon The Path (see Yesod).

This entire process, as I have just described it, is merely a preliminary list of Things To Do that can be found under "finding one's Will."

 

 

 

I can follow intellectually. My vector surely must have received some pretty hard blows early on.

Oftentimes my will just seems to be trying to make up for failures and "past mistakes".

That's why this free will paradox occupied my studies for years.

Can I do anything before reaching the Major Dude?

I had glimpses of my HGA...sometimes even for a comparatively long time. However there is no continous contact and I suppose until such contact (5=6) is established I cannot really understand what 6=5 and retuning the metaprogramming circuit really mean.

 

Can you recommend something specific in "finding one's Will" and the HGA if that is possible? Of course Liber Samekh comes to mind but you might be the best person to ask.

I wonder if it's just grace, you can't force it and everyone has to find his own ritual.

 

I considered joining the OTO in Germany as I could use some guidance but all these quarrels alienate me pretty much. 

 

Hm, sorry, for taking such a long time the answer should have been better, I expected more gnosis of myself taking into account the new moon and solar eclipse. I'll try to raise my standards.

 

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I try to let it ease down and integrate it before going further. That's why I sometimes take time with ansewering. Hope that's okay.

This is a particular mode of "inner authority" that is described in Human Design. (HD is based on Astro, QBL, Chakras). Since there are only three "types," then about one-third of folkdom processes data in this way. I recognize it, and let it roll on its own timeline.

Although I am not of this "type," I can assure you that Time is not a factor. Sometimes it is, like if you're cooking eggs, but we're all just here, sitting (or running around maniacally) at the End of the Timeline that leads to The End of the World, so why be in a hurry?

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You mentioned purification over the censer after the salt bath. Which incence would be appropriate?

Intuitively I would just go with frankincense.

The incense is strictly up to you. Your intuition seems good. I had a tendency to shove the blade right into the coals ... not to red hot, but just enough to let the fire nudge the steel molecules into order. Running a megnet along the blade (when it's cool) would really re-align the iron molecules. Once this is done, I wouldn't know how to demagnetize it (if needed). Cups and Disks might benefit from just an incensing. A wand, depending on its structure, could possibly benefit from coaling.

My first wand was made of wood (a hard wood). I remember it being burnished on its trifold (trident) tips with black, hard wood. Later, I turned out a copper wand with mercury inside. One should think two or three times before burning something filled with mercury.

All this is followed by annointing or consecrating with oil. Again, your choice. I always recommend Abramelin Oil.

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I placed the order! Thanks for your hunt! As it's within the EU the customs may have mercy this time.

Good. Be sure to come back and report what you feel when you hold the stone.

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I would gladly read your tale of sensitivity. 

I am responding to the longest ornicating post in history. Since half of the scribble is me being quoted, I cannot complain too loudly ... but I will keep it brief ...

I was sensitive. I could heal people ... but I did it by taking their misery away. To where? Into me. Then I had do dissipate their frief. I once caught a case of uterine cramps, and hardly knew how to get it out ... but it went.

This is very low-level healing. It works, but it's a lot of work. I never pickep up anything passively at a distance. But if I touched a person, even for "diagnosis," I could catch (and remove) the condition.

This "sensivity" did not take place when I used acupuncture needles instead of "hands on" energy work. Thank goodness or that - otherwise I would have had a painful career.

Then, one day after I was out and into practice, i was offered a tibetan empowerment that had "built in shields" that prevented any personal transfer of evil Chi. Hmmm. I did it. It worked. That was 1988. I have been able to do whatever I want with energy since then.

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I suppose sprinkling some salt over the whole deck/topmost card was enough or did you mean every card singly?

Again, it's up to you. Either way seems fine. I would not recommended the salt water bath for cards, parchment talismans, or crepe-paper party-hats used a crowns.

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Yes, I humbly try to accept where I am in this pecking order.

We are all down in the dirt. Even The Kings of the Earth need to wear shiny boots made of thick leather with steel toe caps and metallic laces of gold and platinum ... to keep the ever-present dirt away.

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Oftentimes my will just seems to be trying to make up for failures and "past mistakes".

Um, if this includes your karma (not just little emotional-mental disturbances), then (yes) it is your Will to clean up the mess. But it's so hard to tell ... We just have to try to tidy up everything - eventually, the big karma things arise of their own accord (in daily life, I might add).

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That's why this free will paradox occupied my studies for years.

Oh, i can help you there. The Book of Life (and Death) tells me ...

Ten

There is no free will.

Thus have the philosophers of old argued and debated.

There is only the Divine Plan. To flow correctly with the Plan: This is the Path - This is Destiny.

Those who flow fulfill the requirements of the higher, and incur no blame nor debt.

Those who exercise the free will to pander to their personal desires incur blame and debt.

This debt has been called Karma.

Free will is not free! It must be paid for in the long run.

Free will should be called Personal Desire in Action.

The true Path is of Gold and well lit. The light radiates from the pilgrim.

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I had glimpses of my HGA...sometimes even for a comparatively long time. However there is no continous contact and I suppose until such contact (5=6) is established I cannot really understand what 6=5 and retuning the metaprogramming circuit really mean.

5=6 does not have "continuous" contact. If one enters the magical kingdom of Tiphareth, there is a constant harmony. Heaven on Earth is the goal of so many folks ... who don't know that it's just a passing phase. It lasts a while - maybe a few weeks, maybe months ... then it passes away. One gets intermittent contact with the Angel that rarely is an Angel. The Angel gives the marching orders, then steps back to let the Adept sort it out. There is usually a re-appearance at Chesed (to help with the terminal alignment). Otherwise, it's an off-and-on sort of thing.

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Can you recommend something specific in "finding one's Will" and the HGA if that is possible?

It has all been recommended. The outline of The Path is set forth in One Star in Sight. The practices are laid out, in order, along with the Oaths, in Liber XIII and another whose numerals I cannor remember (185?).

If anyone is going to do the solo path, picking and choosing among the practices, then they are on their own, aren't they? But if they follow the curriculum, as laid out, step by step, then it works !

Along the way, the official instructions say you should seek out a mentor. This person does not necessarily need to be a "superior" in the A.'.A.'., or anything else, but it helps if they have their feces together (in their black box).

I have written a whole book on the subject. City of the Sun. "Whole" is a relative term, as it is my shortest book. Wesier wanted to put the full-size price on it - for their distribution services, so I made up by stuffing in a bunch of (related) archives (like The Book of Life [and Death]). 

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Of course Liber Samekh comes to mind but you might be the best person to ask.

I read Samekh once. It did not resonate with me. I followed (generally) the instructions in the VIIIth Aethyr, which are the most up-to-date recommendations. It took me 2.5 years of preparation (after Dominus). I composed by own invocation (as instructed).

I fail to see why some folks are so interested in a very personal invocation written by someone else. Let it be known that aspirants to the A.'.A.'. should do everything just as outlined for their benefit in their Outer Order endeavors. And once they reach Dominus, all bets are off and they are totally on their own. It is ot presented this way, necessarily, in the wholly docs, but it's best that I let it be known. Just look at the Perdurabo Saga.

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I considered joining the OTO in Germany as I could use some guidance but all these quarrels alienate me pretty much. 

Let it also be known, as if you hadn't caught the drift, that the OTO is not a teaching order (by their own definition). They are a fraternal order, which means they get together in brotherhood ... but they don't teach. They have a recommended reading list. In the Perdurabo tradition, there are the A.'.A.'. lineages ... they "teach" (sort of). "Sort of" because the aspirant does all the work - but at least there's somebody to ask.

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taking into account the new moon and solar eclipse.

Yeah, we want to observe the tides in nature, but these external circumstances don't matter. Take your own time.

 


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This is a particular mode of "inner authority" that is described in Human Design. (HD is based on Astro, QBL, Chakras). Since there are only three "types," then about one-third of folkdom processes data in this way. I recognize it, and let it roll on its own timeline.

Although I am not of this "type," I can assure you that Time is not a factor. Sometimes it is, like if you're cooking eggs, but we're all just here, sitting (or running around maniacally) at the End of the Timeline that leads to The End of the World, so why be in a hurry?

Thanks for your understanding. 

Should have known that you're familiar with HD. It's founder Ra Uru Hu always appeared like a Thelemite to me. So many clues, beginning with the name of course.

You're sacral or without inner authority then I suppose.  

I always recommend Abramelin Oil.

Alright. However I think I'll use calamus instead of galanga as I hold Georg Dehn's translation in high regard.

Good. Be sure to come back and report what you feel when you hold the stone.

Certainly! 

I am responding to the longest ornicating post in history. Since half of the scribble is me being quoted, I cannot complain too loudly ... but I will keep it brief ...

I was sensitive. I could heal people ... but I did it by taking their misery away. To where? Into me. Then I had do dissipate their frief. I once caught a case of uterine cramps, and hardly knew how to get it out ... but it went.

This is very low-level healing. It works, but it's a lot of work. I never pickep up anything passively at a distance. But if I touched a person, even for "diagnosis," I could catch (and remove) the condition.

This "sensivity" did not take place when I used acupuncture needles instead of "hands on" energy work. Thank goodness or that - otherwise I would have had a painful career.

Then, one day after I was out and into practice, i was offered a tibetan empowerment that had "built in shields" that prevented any personal transfer of evil Chi. Hmmm. I did it. It worked. That was 1988. I have been able to do whatever I want with energy since then.

Wow, thanks for sharing the comprehended version.

I'm absolutely sure you really have this gift. A shame we're never going to meet in person. Maybe I will again meet someone like you one day. 

 

Though...it may not be something that can be healed anyway.

Whenever I closely look into my suffering I feel like at the core of this is a broken heart (long time ago). I suppose this pain is not meant to ever completly go away. Of course it is not present all the time but I can dive into this infinite sadness whenever I want.

Maybe some abyssal test drive mode.

Um, if this includes your karma (not just little emotional-mental disturbances), then (yes) it is your Will to clean up the mess. But it's so hard to tell ... We just have to try to tidy up everything - eventually, the big karma things arise of their own accord (in daily life, I might add).

Okay, I feel like we're getting closer to the real issue thanks to your brilliant intuition.
 
So, it seems to me like this big question about the true will can only be answered on different planes as well.

In the one hand there is this mystical experience where one feels for any amount of time that the individual will and God's will are aligned. Everything is in perfect flow, your wu wei. Every damn bird flies past at the exactly right time. More synchronicities than any magic diary could realistically count.
But sooner or later later you (okay, at least me) fall back to this seperate self where you still kinda have these things but the perfection and splendor are gone.

Now from this Ipsissimus stance where Crowley and some other masters like Ramana talk there never was anything done by anyone that was not the true will since existence is perfect and doesn't make mistskes.

These two things seem to be irreconciable on the same plane!

I think ultimatively (at least for my mind) it leads to the question if there is more than one timeline. If there was just one block of space-time which illusionary manifests itself for us there is no possibility for any kind of failure or "mistake". Everything is always as it is supposed to be even if it only feels like this in the Wu wei/mystical state.
However if there is something to this modern idea of several timelines which may split at certain points - maybe infinitely - than my choices (think Human Design!) are tremendously important.

Additionally if we assume that existence has to experience every possible scenario before it has exhausted itself which seems probable: Why should I be so blessed to marry my Holy Guardian Angel in this lifetime for example? Maybe for reasons I can't fully comprehend I shall just experience failing this time around no matter how hard I try to escape.

Especially this Human Design process feels like there is a gradual progress and my decisions get better over time. But regularly I ask myself if we're not completly helplesss in the end and HD is just as much a prison as a remedy.
 
I guess this might really touch the core of my TRUE question. Hope I found the right words.
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That's why this free will paradox occupied my studies for years.

Oh, i can help you there. The Book of Life (and Death) tells me ...

Ten

There is no free will.

Thus have the philosophers of old argued and debated.

There is only the Divine Plan. To flow correctly with the Plan: This is the Path - This is Destiny.

Those who flow fulfill the requirements of the higher, and incur no blame nor debt.

Those who exercise the free will to pander to their personal desires incur blame and debt.

This debt has been called Karma.

Free will is not free! It must be paid for in the long run.

Free will should be called Personal Desire in Action.

The true Path is of Gold and well lit. The light radiates from the pilgrim.

Marvelous quote!

At least intellectually I often got to a similar conslusion. First there is this illusion of free will then there is this mystical state without free will and then there just is. However I haven't thought about this debt thing for a long time. Your quote implies there is a way to "flow correctly". It may be one of the keys to the question raised in the paragraphs above.

But I somehow can't comprehend it on one plane without paradox if that's actually possible.  

When there is the one divine plan doesn't it already include if I am virtuous and smart enough in this lifetime to follow the divine plan rather than acquiring karma for the next go round? 

5=6 does not have "continuous" contact. If one enters the magical kingdom of Tiphareth, there is a constant harmony. Heaven on Earth is the goal of so many folks ... who don't know that it's just a passing phase. It lasts a while - maybe a few weeks, maybe months ... then it passes away. One gets intermittent contact with the Angel that rarely is an Angel. The Angel gives the marching orders, then steps back to let the Adept sort it out. There is usually a re-appearance at Chesed (to help with the terminal alignment). Otherwise, it's an off-and-on sort of thing.

Good to know!

I have written a whole book on the subject. City of the Sun. "Whole" is a relative term, as it is my shortest book. Wesier wanted to put the full-size price on it - for their distribution services, so I made up by stuffing in a bunch of (related) archives (like The Book of Life [and Death]). 

I found a 91 page edition on Lulu. Is this the one with the bonus content of life and death?

 

https://www.lulu.com/de/de/shop/frater-shiva/city-of-the-sun-hardcover/hardcover/product-1v99dqeg.html?page=1&pageSize=4 .

I read Samekh once. It did not resonate with me. I followed (generally) the instructions in the VIIIth Aethyr, which are the most up-to-date recommendations. It took me 2.5 years of preparation (after Dominus). I composed by own invocation (as instructed).

I fail to see why some folks are so interested in a very personal invocation written by someone else. Let it be known that aspirants to the A.'.A.'. should do everything just as outlined for their benefit in their Outer Order endeavors. And once they reach Dominus, all bets are off and they are totally on their own. It is ot presented this way, necessarily, in the wholly docs, but it's best that I let it be known. Just look at the Perdurabo Saga.

I feel the same way. I just need to build up some more confidence in writing my own invocations. 

After reading the 8th Æthyr again: So regarding money...was all the (real) gold just necessary for Perdurabo because of Aiwass' predilections or could this be individual as well? Naturally I understand why gold would ravish the solar angel. 

Let it also be known, as if you hadn't caught the drift, that the OTO is not a teaching order (by their own definition). They are a fraternal order, which means they get together in brotherhood ... but they don't teach. They have a recommended reading list. In the Perdurabo tradition, there are the A.'.A.'. lineages ... they "teach" (sort of). "Sort of" because the aspirant does all the work - but at least there's somebody to ask.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not in a particular hurry. Once considered writing onestarinsight . org, think it's David Shoemaker. Don't know his work that well but he did a lot with Lon Milo DuQuette whom I appreciate for his humour and humbleness. 

Yeah, we want to observe the tides in nature, but these external circumstances don't matter. Take your own time.

 

Take care as well.

Always happy to hear from you.

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I'm absolutely sure you really have this gift.

"Absolute Certainty" can get one into trouble. This is LAShTAL. Everybody claims something. Some make it up or fiddle it into adding up. Yes, I am sacral.

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Whenever I closely look into my suffering I feel like at the core of this is a broken heart (long time ago).

We all have different reasons. All reasons are based on the existence of a separate self. It sits just outside the event horizon of our core(s). "I am the fame that burns ..."

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I can dive into this infinite sadness whenever I want.

Trance of Sorrow. Three of Swords. See Ch 14 in The Book of Lies ...

The Universe is the Practical Joke
of the General
at the Expense of the Particular,
quoth FRATER
PERDURABO, and laughed.

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But sooner or later later you (okay, at least me) fall back to this seperate self where you still kinda have these things but the perfection and splendor are gone.

Actually, I find that I'm mostly operating in the separate mode as I go about my daily chores. I can tell, because  the hard dense physical plane is filled with things that cut, burn, scratch, or bang ... and this irritates my separate self, which is taking the bangs. 

Everybody has the same duality. They bump around in life, and try to develop a mechanism for resolving the duality ("unite by thine art, so that ALL disappear").

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These two things seem to be irreconciable on the same plane!

The word of The Day (To-day) is Paradox. There is no "mental solution" that "makes sense." Everyone must learn to transcend paradox (but not necessarily today).

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I found a 91 page edition on Lulu. Is this the one with the bonus content of life and death?

Yeah. The softcover is cheaper.

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After reading the 8th Æthyr again: So regarding money...was all the (real) gold just necessary for Perdurabo because of Aiwass' predilections or could this be individual as well? Naturally I understand why gold would ravish the solar angel. 

I got lost. I don't catch the connection between the VIIIth Aethyr and Gold-Money. 

 


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"Absolute Certainty" can get one into trouble. This is LAShTAL. Everybody claims something. Some make it up or fiddle it into adding up. Yes, I am sacral.

I'm fully aware of this and already had my fair share of gurus. But thanks for the reminder, I'll be careful. 

We all have different reasons. All reasons are based on the existence of a separate self. It sits just outside the event horizon of our core(s). "I am the fame that burns ..."

Don't know if intended or typo but "I am the fame that burns" sounds truly epic. Just the right touch of Cobain.

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I can dive into this infinite sadness whenever I want.

Trance of Sorrow. Three of Swords. See Ch 14 in The Book of Lies ...

The Universe is the Practical Joke
of the General
at the Expense of the Particular,
quoth FRATER
PERDURABO, and laughed.

Yes, I meditated alot about the 3 of swords. There's always this hope that someday our Lady in Red pulls me over to her but I reckon even this hope must die which is nonenforceable.

Actually, I find that I'm mostly operating in the separate mode as I go about my daily chores. I can tell, because  the hard dense physical plane is filled with things that cut, burn, scratch, or bang ... and this irritates my separate self, which is taking the bangs. 

Everybody has the same duality. They bump around in life, and try to develop a mechanism for resolving the duality ("unite by thine art, so that ALL disappear").

I understand. It would be no problem if I didn't regularly worry about getting out of this divine mystic flow. 

Like one (sometimes oh so little) wrong decision draws a rat-tail of consequences. Always wished to have a reliable way to rebound when it happens.

Does such a method exist or is it like the blood of the fake-virgin from above... just accepting that I might have messed up and get on with my life even when I feel like I'm slightly out of tune? 

Not that there's any real choice as time goes on, but I assume I could worry less about it.

The word of The Day (To-day) is Paradox. There is no "mental solution" that "makes sense." Everyone must learn to transcend paradox (but not necessarily today).

This is for me where grace comes into play.

It seems not enforceable that anyone transcends it.

Like in some dreams after my DMT experiences I had these moments of supreme gnosis but couldn't quite catch them (it seemed possible at the time) because some strange trucks teared me unexpectedly from sleep. All that remained were poor quotes you could pin on your fridge about how no experience is better than any other.

Yeah. The softcover is cheaper.

Oh, I love hardcovers for my books whenever possible. I'm worried more about the customs, trust me.

I got lost. I don't catch the connection between the VIIIth Aethyr and Gold-Money. 

 

Sorry for the confusion. In the 8th Æthyr things for the temple furniture are described which should be made of pure gold (e.g. Holy sevenfold - or twelvefold table). On a side note the Pele ring for Enochian Vision Magick should be pure gold as well. I hesitated until now considering if that's "necessary" or just good business.

 

PS May I ask again about your gnosis considering the timelines? 

Maybe it's comparable to the Horus-Æon, Maat-Æon, Ma-Ion stuff on a broader scale.

Some texts imply that these Æons exist parallel.

So, do you think we're in a multiverse, where several/infinite timelines exist or is it more this monolithic block of existence which only knows one possible outcome for any scenario?

 

Or is this...paradoxical again?

 

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or typo but "I am the fame that burns"

typo. My most memorable typo is/was "Farter Shiva

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I meditated alot about the 3 of swords. There's always this hope that someday our Lady in Red pulls me over ...

If one looks closely, and "clicks into" the proper perspective, the 3 of Swords begones a clown (in the petals) and the three swords are going into his laughing mouth. Good luck on spotting this - I have a hard time earch attempt - but it is there. This is why I cited Ch 14.

At the heart/core od sorrow, lies the Universal Joke. This is perhaps one of the most Sirius references that can be cited.

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In the 8th Æthyr things for the temple furniture are described which should be made of pure gold

Oh, that. Gold fear not ... for there are things that look like gold (and are not for fools), like brass. I never worried about that as I had (and stive have) a dental laboratory and enough gold to make anything (except maybe a full-crown or a 9" pantacle that is 1/2" thick).

But most magicians don't have casting machines and burnout ovens, so whatever will they do? They might start by not "slavishly imitating" the works of others.

My own form of maintaining sanity, which seems to work just fine, is to follow some [described] ormat, but allowances are made for the sake of reality. I wrote a whole book on this, Blazing Diamond. Lulu has it, but it's also still online. Take a look at ...
https://blazing-diamond.angelfire.com/

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May I ask again about your gnosis considering the timelines? 

I must have missed your quest(ion) the first time. I subscribe to the 2160-year Aeon model as provided by O.M., but cut down to 2,000-year cycles for the masses (0 to 1904 is 1904 years, so there's no solid math here).

I also subscribe to the ~26,000-year Grand Equinox metaphor, but that's pretty far out.

The four yugas of Hindoo lore are interesting. I am willing to confess that we (humans) have been in Kali Yuga since 3000 BC (which corresponds to our era of written history). Since this yuga is said to extend way into the future, much longer than we can deal with, let's just say that we all are in the dumps for the current long haul.

As far as where we're, right now, in relation to these concepts, please accept this little explanation from Farter Shiva ...
https://mega.nz/file/gFYCnTaT#vSQNeWyiLP8x1Xf3YrPeNvQrFvMKnarOieEFPt9KTys

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So, do you think we're in a multiverse, where several/infinite timelines exist or is it more this monolithic block of existence which only knows one possible outcome for any scenario?

This would require a philosopher to answer. He/she might be wrong. Since anything is theoretically possible, the philosopher might say, "Maybe." 

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Or is this...paradoxical again?

Since anything the mind can think up is equally balanced by its opposite reflection, this anything (at all) can be whittled down and found to be based on paradox.

 


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typo. My most memorable typo is/was "Farter Shiva

Namaste 🙂

 

I think, I'll stay with "Frater".

If one looks closely, and "clicks into" the proper perspective, the 3 of Swords begones a clown (in the petals) and the three swords are going into his laughing mouth. Good luck on spotting this - I have a hard time earch attempt - but it is there. This is why I cited Ch 14.

At the heart/core od sorrow, lies the Universal Joke. This is perhaps one of the most Sirius references that can be cited.

Brilliant pointer. I already adumbrate the Clown though i don't see him in his full spendour yet.
Always felt like behind this melancholy of the 3 of Swords there might linger an immense joy.

Oh, that. Gold fear not ... for there are things that look like gold (and are not for fools), like brass. I never worried about that as I had (and stive have) a dental laboratory and enough gold to make anything (except maybe a full-crown or a 9" pantacle that is 1/2" thick).

But most magicians don't have casting machines and burnout ovens, so whatever will they do? They might start by not "slavishly imitating" the works of others.

I brooded a little over my own question the last few days. Why I even asked it. The only explanation seems uncertainty and ignorance on my part if Gold REALLY makes a difference so I started trying to find it out scientifically. 

As I have some little gold unzes (inflation prepping) I meditated with them in my bed while keeping them in my hands. I surely felt this "Love" quality after some time. Like...especially when compared to Silver, Gold gives of this refinded "warmth". At least I surely sensed why its the metal of the Sonne and the Solar Angel. 

However, maybe gold plating is enough. I'm going to gold coat my Enochian PELE ring, let's see how it feels.

But thanks for the brass recommendation as my own dental labroratory is quite unlikely to manifest.

 

Oh, almost forgot! My little Moldavite arrived today. It's intresting that this meteor sight where it's supposed to have originated is less than an hour from my hometown. 

I meditated with it in the sun this afternoon. It certainly has this alien feel to it, almost like a little dose of ketamine, I got this slight feeling of splitting apart and standing beside myself.

But that's only the first impression. Have to analyse it some more.

My own form of maintaining sanity, which seems to work just fine, is to follow some [described] ormat, but allowances are made for the sake of reality. I wrote a whole book on this, Blazing Diamond. Lulu has it, but it's also still online. Take a look at ...
https://blazing-diamond.angelfire.com/

I'll work through it over the course of this week. I'll come back with (hopefully not too many) questions. Already starts quite captivating. Wonder if this enigmatic Mister White is still around. Couldn't find anything about him anywhere else (though the search is obviously rather clouded). 

I must have missed your quest(ion) the first time. I subscribe to the 2160-year Aeon model as provided by O.M., but cut down to 2,000-year cycles for the masses (0 to 1904 is 1904 years, so there's no solid math here).

I also subscribe to the ~26,000-year Grand Equinox metaphor, but that's pretty far out.

Okay, I see we're on relatively similar grounds here. As astrology was the main focus in my "spiritual career" I contemplated this for quite some time. My biggest issue still seems to be the ayanamsha ie. the difference between the tropical and sidereal Zodiac, some 23 or 24 degrees.

The modern astronomical borders of the signs seem clearly artificial (like the borders in Africa after the Britains and French left). For my personal feeling of spherical harmony only 12 exactly equal signs of 30 degrees make sense. 

However this doesn't resolve the ayanamsha problem. If we applied the sidereal Zodiac which is based on the fixed stars rather than our Sun then the Age of Pisces just begun several hundred years ago. Rudolf Steiner had a similar Gnosis saying it just started around 1400.

 

For me personally it's hard to decide...on the one hand we see all this individualism and electro Zeitgeist which promotes the idea of the Aeon of Aquarius.

On the other hand there is potential for more deception than ever before via social media so that point clearly goes to the Age of Pisces. 

The four yugas of Hindoo lore are interesting. I am willing to confess that we (humans) have been in Kali Yuga since 3000 BC (which corresponds to our era of written history). Since this yuga is said to extend way into the future, much longer than we can deal with, let's just say that we all are in the dumps for the current long haul.

Heard about it. If i recall correctly this Kali Yuga thing is supposed to last 432.000 years if the common Mahabharata translation is to be trusted. And since we're only 5000 years form Krishna's death...there are 427.000 years of Kali Yuga left to go...sounds extremely promising. 

As far as where we're, right now, in relation to these concepts, please accept this little explanation from Farter Shiva ...
https://mega.nz/file/gFYCnTaT#vSQNeWyiLP8x1Xf3YrPeNvQrFvMKnarOieEFPt9KTys

Enjoyable read with many good points. Yet doesn't commit itself to the problem of the different zodiacs. 

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So, do you think we're in a multiverse, where several/infinite timelines exist or is it more this monolithic block of existence which only knows one possible outcome for any scenario?

This would require a philosopher to answer. He/she might be wrong. Since anything is theoretically possible, the philosopher might say, "Maybe." 

Posted by: @snowonvenus

Or is this...paradoxical again?

Since anything the mind can think up is equally balanced by its opposite reflection, this anything (at all) can be whittled down and found to be based on paradox.

 

Seems like the only possible answer. Thanks.

 

There's one other thing regarding occultism and secrecy which seriously astonished me when reading Liber 185. Point 8 in every grade states:

He  shall everywhere proclaim openly his connection with  the  A.'. 
    A.'.  and  speak  of  It  and  Its principles (even  so  little  as  he 
    understandeth) for that mystery is the enemy of Truth.

 

Is this genuine or tongue-in-cheek? Elsewhere Frater P. always speaks highly of the silence of the Hierophant. Why should I openly proclaim such a connection openly EVERYWHERE?

 

My real question here leads to my dealings with social media.

I sometimes share things like my decorated altar there. One could say I'm already highly paranoid about it as I always change things before photographing them, never post anything too personal like sigils and let some time pass by before I publish anything.

I contemplated if this sharing is just the narcisisstic Zeitgeist and surely detrimental to my practise. However after giving some thought the case is not that easy. I like to post beautiful things and as an astrologer I somehow have to keep my social media up to date with personal stories. I already post much less than most people but these may be excuses.

 

It would honestly be very hard for me to stop it completely as my business is connected to it (the instagram account etc)...but if you say that's clearly  harmful I might consider if there is some other way.

 

Always felt like I could use this for my advantage to some degree but we may be diving into the realms of chaos magick and Genesis Porridge here. However please don't forget how hard it would be to completly turn my back on it. 

My inner feeling is that people like my posts as I have a rather good sense for beauty. 

 

The Master Therion himself shared almost all of his magical career publicaly.

Nevertheless...might he have been more successful if he kept everything to himself? 

 

I deeply understand this need for secrecy but too much of it depresses me. If we're really approaching this Age of Aquarius sharing seems to be the right (virtous) thing to do. What else than a power trip could keeping everything to oneself be?

 

PS Sorry, I accidently copied this quote two times and somehow can't delete it...so here it is again. Maybe you can enlighten me, honoured Frater:

 8.  He  shall everywhere proclaim openly his connection with  the  A.'. 
    A.'.  and  speak  of  It  and  Its principles (even  so  little  as  he 
    understandeth) for that mystery is the enemy of Truth.

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I think, I'll stay with "Frater".

I think I should, too.

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Wonder if this enigmatic Mister White is still around.

Um, his org split at the yin-yang level a few hours before I met him. Everything came unraveled. Then he sued The Deep State (The Queen, Pres Bush, CIA, FBI, etc). Then he died at age ~48, showing signs of radiation exposure. An electrical engineer scanned his house afterward. A beam was still being "beamed in." This turned out to be a rather ugly story ... but when I met him, he sure knew how to cut through the clutter.

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the search is obviously rather clouded

Ignant broke through the clouds to get the story. He found the search rather difficult, but he persisted. He left behind an assortment of loose-end links ... which I followed. The whole tale is included in The Hot Zones of Anicca, which is my latest, and last, book. Since I gave free copies to everyone else, you might as well have one as well. Here ...

https://mega.nz/file/4AJi3Jwb#Kt-cscxQZVwI7TAvW6FEsf6ZML1O65ak4rl34A94bt8

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The modern astronomical borders of the signs seem clearly artificial

They are completely artificial. There are no "natural" borders, lines, or other marks or scratches to indicate any border. This has all been invented by some man, or his spouse, who thought 12 was better than 13. Rumor has it that there were one 13 signs, but one got removed. 

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this Kali Yuga thing is supposed to last 432.000 years

Yeah. Even if it's off by 99%, it's bigger than we need to worry about. Our worry must be concentrated on doing the work so we can transcend aeons and yugas.

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Yet doesn't commit itself to the problem of the different zodiacs.

This is because it (I) started at the present time and worked out ... out into the usual 12-house deal, showing that Aquarius doesn't start for another ~500 years. The zodiac, in any persuasion, is so screwed up in the minds of men, and women too, that none of it really makes sense. My only point (that was hidden in the long text) is that we're approaching the tipping point of the transition (2029) and people should buy gold and plant gardens.

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Is this genuine or tongue-in-cheek?

This is the real deal. The aspirant is encouraged to discuss the A.'.A.'. and its principles. The A.'.A.'. was (and is) not a secret order. There are no Oaths of Obedience, Poverty, Chasity, or Secrecy. Everything is on the tabletop. There are no dues.

You may be confusing a Secret Order with Secret workings. The Secret Workings are the aspirant doing the work. Their personal work falls under the canopy of the 4th power of the Sphinx. It is stupid and chi-wasting to discuss one's current work with others, except perhaps one's mentor.

The OTO is the opposite. One pays dues, takes Oaths of Secrecy (1*), Obedience (1*), Chastity (VII*), and Poverty (IX*). It's supposed to be secret, but they have a webpage with a list of where to go to sign up. Tales of horror, terror, and treachery follow.

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Why should I openly proclaim such a connection openly EVERYWHERE?

This is AC's version of the RTC Marketing Plan. This is why so many beginners become evangelists. I never engaged in this nonsense. AL describes the route of not-blabbing and just slipping them a booklet. Always make them ask.

Note: The Hierophant is a long ways up from the corridors where secrets are purposely leaked by new acolytes.

It has come to my attention that you are concerned about a series of opposites. Hidden vs Shown Instruments. Blabbing vs Silence. Two zodiacs that don't match. Let me give you the secret, unpronouncable secret that will solve all such inconsistencies ...

Whenever two "things" don't reconcile
just take it easy with a smile
If neither is right, then both are wrong
you'll have to write another song

That is, we are only interested in things that dovetail and prove practical. "We" means folks who are looking for what's real. The Student is advised to read the books, looking for concepts they have in common. If they differ, then they are citing partial truths, and may be eliminated.

I don't know where this leaves you with two zodiacs. Is there a third? Can yo create your own ... of any number?

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My real question here leads to my dealings with social media.

I see you are forever doomed. Please do not ask me about the garbage pits of digital humanity.

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The Master Therion himself shared almost all of his magical career publicaly.

After the Fact. Historical tales and diaries were not published (or probably discussed) while they were going on. I have done the same thing. I just dropped you a book that does just that. 

However, during my entire magical career, I never spoke or wrote about my work to any non-initiate. Eventually, in the rajas phase, I held publick lecture/demos on astral projection, divination, spiritual acupuncture, raja yoga ... but I never allowed certain phrases to be uttered: A.'.A.'., OTO, Initiation (except as a personal journey), Crowley, Magick ...  I taught the topics but kept the system behind the veil. Always make them Ask.

So I was never a good evangelical A.'.A.'. thumper. When it comes down to real-time activities in the real-time world, it doesn't matter what Crowley said or did. It seems he might not have been too correct on some things. As he implied, we all gotta cut our way through the jungle ourselves.

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If we're really approaching this Age of Aquarius sharing seems to be the right (virtous) thing to do.

Sharing can get one killed dead. Everybody needs to develop a good sense of discrimination. A wise person knows when to speak and when to shut it. Since reality changes, then there can be no universal rules about when or why. It's a simple skill one better develop, or they will say bad things about one.

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What else than a power trip could keeping everything to oneself be?

Self-preservation. The 4th Power of the Lion-Man. The fact that batteries leak, and when you go to use them, they have no charge. There is an injunction to spread the word of the A.'.A.'.   If one is not a formal member, this does not apply. A formal member has signed the 0=0 Oath, either solo or under/with a mentor.

The 4th power specifically refers to keeping it shut during an operstion. The same thing applies to Instruments. I started with "a serious and secret order" (so self-defined). We were serious about secrecy. We did not advertise. Word-of-mouth only.

Now if you're a solo practitioner, without a guru, a group, or a gremlin to advise you, then you're on your own. You get to try everything (blabbing, showing, hiding, silencing) and find out what works under which circumstances.

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He shall everywhere proclaim openly his connection with the A.'.A.'.

This, of course, is in the section on instructions, or recommendations, or hopeful thinking of the A.'.A.'. spreading like wildfire, promoting "name recognition as it goes. It is neither binding nor required. The only thing that counts is what's writ on the Oath. The res of it is Class C ("suggestive") material.

Personally, it has always been my part to keep any details (names of orders or living persons) to myself. I think the evangelism is stupid. Quote me. Always make them ask.

 


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Always make them ask

This used to be a tried and true Masonic principle. As the Fraternity struggled with Membership, it became permissible (and encouraged) to follow the letter of the law with "2B1 ASK 1" bumper stickers. I think things have been further compromised since. But I wholeheartedly agree with your angle here and it was a really great inquiry from snowonvenus.

Essentially, the Law is for All but don't cast your pearls before swine. They won't be the same pearls afterward. 


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The only "Magickal instruments you need, are the minor Arcana Tarot: Cups, Wands, Swords, Pentagrams.  The only magic(K)al tools you need is The Book of Thoth Tarot.


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Always make them ask

This used to be a tried and true Masonic principle. As the Fraternity struggled with Membership, it became permissible ...

"Struggling with membership" usually means Holy Cow - we need more money to sustain the Lodge! The answer is Evangelism under whatever name or bumper sticker we wish to use to identify it.

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The only "Magickal instruments you need ...

Thank you for your short list of necessities, which may work for you, but will hardly be suitable for folks who bear heavy karma.

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The only magic(K)al tools you need is The Book of Thoth Tarot.

Tools (plural) = one book (singular)?

Books are now "tools."

 

 


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@shiva Wouldn't Crowley agree that his Book of Thoth would be a good addition to any Magician's arsenal of weapons?  When you boil down the necessities (As mentioned in Magick in Theory & Practice), the essential tools are, the Pantacle, The Cup, The Sword, and the Wand.  Lady Harris's beautiful illustrations, contain every secret (occult) symbol, the path of Lamed.  You don't need a literal Cup, Sword, Wand, or Panticle,  Unless you need that sort of reinforcement. You only need to envision them.  Study each card, and your brain's neurons will expand, you see every connection, every archetype.  


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@shiva Wouldn't Crowley agree that his Book of Thoth would be a good addition to any Magician's arsenal of weapons?  When you boil down the necessities (As mentioned in Magick in Theory & Practice), the essential tools are, the Pantacle, The Cup, The Sword, and the Wand.  Lady Harris's beautiful illustrations, contain every secret (occult) symbol, the path of Lamed.  You don't need a literal Cup, Sword, Wand, or Panticle,  Unless you need that sort of reinforcement. You only need to envision them.  Study each card, and your brain's neurons will expand, you see every connection, every archetype.  

As Shiva noted, this would be 

hardly be suitable for folks who bear heavy karma.

and I would call it a relatively advanced,or at least non-beginner, concept.  One can appreciate the idea intellectually, but many would need further realization in order to make full use of it.

 

 


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@katrice Well, there you go!  When I started performing what I thought was ceremonial magic(k) I started with reading any book I could lay my hands on, from Colin Wilson's Occult History,  Reprints of standard classic grimoires, (Amazing how such hidden lore could be purchased from a drug store)

I even would read out loud by candle light Budge's Egyptian Book of the Dead.  Needless to say, my parents sent me to a therapist.  But that didn't deter me!  I drew my first sigil in junior high school to win the affection of a pretty classmate.  I showed the sigil and I chanted "Nadis, Sadis, Manador!'  when she figured out what I was doing, she kissed me on the Cheek!  Holy crap! This stuff works!  At that same school, I became friends with another outcast, a brainiac who introduced me   to H.P. Lovecraft and....wait for it, Aleister Crowley!  Years went by, and when I was in College studying theology, I was still practicing ceremonial magic(k), but I had the dagger, the alter, the incense, the bell, animal skulls, the whole works!  I kept a magickal diary, and chanted, dropped acid, smoked weed all the sacrament's of my new found religion.  Eventually I went to Graduate School, and became a librarian.  So every evil tome was within my grasp!  It occurred to me that real magic(k) is a psychological process of will and imagination.  SO MOTE IT BE! Have a great summer!  The Rabbit's moon is upon us.

 


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Wouldn't Crowley agree that his Book of Thoth would be a good addition to any Magician's arsenal of weapons?

I dunno. Thoth is a masterpiece, I'll grant you that. But ...

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The only magic(K)al tools you need is The Book of Thoth Tarot.

... I don't think it'll pull off the whole task of liberation (as the "only" tool).

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You don't need a literal Cup, Sword, Wand, or Panticle,  Unless you need that sort of reinforcement.

This is true. The external instruments are a phase, mostly associated with the Outer Order. Some folks don't make or buy them at all. Some folks go straight to the Void without even chatting with the HGA. So, technically, your observation is correct, and you being a wee person, I wouldn't want to rub you the wrong way (with the left hand).

But, I'm sorry, I cannot subscribe to your thesis as being advice to lost wandering pilgrims. Towards the end, things get simpler, but The Student Reading List is always more than one book.

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One can appreciate the idea intellectually, but many would need further realization in order to make full use of it.

He's from the Inner Earth. They do things more directly down there. He actually knows humans are stupid, unimaginative, and need years of instrument-forging and at least 108 sacred texts to just get started ... but he's cutting across all that and announcing ultimate truisms - as if anybody can Ido Isuch simple things in the midst of impending doom.


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@shiva What are you doing inside on this beautiful summer's day!  (Here in Lebanon Ohio anyway)  Thank you for perhaps the nicest thing you've ever said about me.  I didn't get here overnight, it's taken 40 years of trial and error, fool's errands, misinterpretations, folly, self-delusion, guidance from well-meaning Crowleyites, and tons of reading., and to quote a song by U2 "I still haven't found what I'm looking for"   (And probably never will).  Will to power! 


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... I don't think it'll pull off the whole task of liberation (as the "only" tool).

It's all in there, certainly.  The Thoth deck is Crowley's magnum opus in some ways, but it still requires Work to make use of its full potential. 

I wouldn't want to rub you the wrong way (with the left hand).

😛

 

But, I'm sorry, I cannot subscribe to your thesis as being advice to lost wandering pilgrims. Towards the end, things get simpler, but The Student Reading List is always more than one book.

Many, most?, people still need to descend in to complexity in order to fully realize simplicity.  Intellectually accept simplicity without full realization, get nowhere.

 

 


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What are you doing inside on this beautiful summer's day!

Avoiding sunstroke. Between posts I went out and secured the cistern. Then I added silicone to the joints of a gutter - it is curing now. I also gathered tools for the next operation and put radio antennas away. I am allergic to sunshine, so screw the fine summer day that is a heatwave here in what is still Spring Fever From the Skies season. Thank you for asking.

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"I still haven't found what I'm looking for"   (And probably never will). 

It will come about as soon as you stop looking. But nobody stops looking 'til it comes about of its own accord.

 


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@shiva Glad to hear you are tending to the old homestead.  Yes, "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noon day sun"  (R. Kipling)  But I bet you knew that.  As for my finding what I'm looking for, like you say, it will hit when I least expect.  But really, half the fun is the looking.


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@shiva What impending doom?  World War 3?  Doesn't Liber Al Legis sort of hint at this?


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What impending doom?  World War 3?  Doesn't Liber Al Legis sort of hint at this?

WW3? Oh, that's just a part of it. Right now, it's the "front lines." I rferred primarily to the fact (I assume no links are needed) that UN agencies, Presidents & PMs, and other very public sources have announced the upcoming global famine, now showing in a market near you as demonstrated by fast-rising food prices backed up by a crumbling supply chain. I have seen no signs of shortages, although today my wife found TWO essential items missing from Walmart\s shelves. However, the first half of the equation is where you see the prices going up ... for everything. I advise everyone to take the @ignant666 Gardening Course. Ammo is back on the shelves.

I have a lot of fun skimming through The Rev by Saint John the Divine, and then comparing it to AL- Chapter 3. I don't have any answers, proofs, or even conjectures about how they might dovetail or support each other - mainly because I am not a true biblical scholar and do not know the order or value of the 7 angels blowing 7 trumpets, breaking 7 seals. And there's those 4 guys on horses, and the assorted plagues. I am familiar with The Rider on the White Horse fellow - he saves everybody. Oh, yeah, the two Beasts and the Prophet and his One Who Follows him. Strange coincidences, eh?

In Tahuti's Tome, Therion tells us we better get our Shinola together or we're facing 500 years of dark ages

So I'm pleased to be able to cheer up your day by telling you that I'm working on how to get us through to the other side with minimal or no bloodshed.


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@shiva So the Scarlet Woman, The Mother of Abominations is riding on her red dragon with  seven heads and sever horns and full of blasphemies.  Perhaps you are right, the Aeon of Horus is upon us, and the plagues of Egypt become manifest.  On her forehead is Mystery Babalon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations' of the Earth.  This is the time of the great cleansing, woe be it to the weak  "And behold I swa a star fall from heaven, who is named wormwood, and it has the power to poison a third of the waters"  This is the great alchemical transformation, all that is not golden, will burn away.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

and sever horns

Ten horns -please stick to the authorized script.

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... all that is not golden, will burn away.

Golden implies radiance and Tiphareth. Yeah, the folks have to get into causal (soul) consciousness - above the 4D Astral Phenomena that is looking pretty scary right now. And certainly above this 3D meat grinder.

Of course, while sailing along in harmony above the strife, we'll still need to chop wood, carry water, and find some food.

 


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So I'm pleased to be able to cheer up your day by telling you that I'm working on how to get us through to the other side with minimal or no bloodshed.

OK I am on board now, you got to include me too 🙂


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Posted by: @hermes

OK I am on board now, you got to include me too

Surely. Here's the solution: Anybody who makes it through will need to do so in the wu-wei state, which is the same as being with the Tao, and other inscrutable Oriental descriptions.

Here's the problem: Hardly anybody has any experience with this. Of course, if one gets in a dangerous bind, it is programmed to "kick in" as a non-attached flowing with the tide. But I have not heard many stories wherein people describe such experiences.

I got introduced in Stock Race Car #23 during a massive multiple pile up. It later kicked in during a certain physical combat situation.  Ignant recounts riding a bicycle in NYC traffic. His situ was the more dangerous. And then I run my keyboard, parroting out endless wu-wei as the cure for various problems ... but I don't get reciprocal tales or affirmations back. What to do?

I could always recommend skydiving, hanger-on-gliding, race-car driving, renting a bike in NYC (make it "Frisco for the west coast - the hills, you know, swimming with sharks - that sort of thing, but people will do those things without my help.

It's a paradox, of course, which is why I'm working on it.


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Posted by: @shiva

Surely. Here's the solution: Anybody who makes it through will need to do so in the wu-wei state, which is the same as being with the Tao, and other inscrutable Oriental descriptions.

I'd recommend Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's book Flow.  😊 


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@shiva As usual you get me thinking, Yes it is 10 horns , not seven.  The number seven represents perfection, but so does the number ten.  From I have read, Crowley would often manipulate letters in his system of gematria, to sort of "fit his narrative"  For example, ABRACADABRA becomes ABRAHADABRA, Babylon becomes BABALON, and so forth.  So perhaps I was unconsciously changing the number of horns, to fit my own narrative. (Or I was simply mistaken) In any case, let me leave you with a blessing AGLA.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Babylon becomes BABALON, and so forth

That spelling has its origin with Enochian. 


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@katrice Interesting!  My knowledge of the Enochian language is pretty limited.

I of course have run across it through my readings of John Dee and Edward Kelly, and of course Crowley, and Occultism in general.  I did a little background research and I learned that BABALON and BABALOND are Enochian references to the "Whore of Babylon", The Scarlet Woman, the Mother of Abominations'.  But, never the less, wouldn't the word BABALON be subject to Biblical Gematria?  Despite Crowley's reputation as a "Satanist" by the mainstream, he had a profound knowledge of the Bible, OT and NT  and obviously, Qabalah (Kabbalah)  even the spellings lend  themselves to subtle differences in Numerological divination.  Thank you for being my GURU and clearing things up.


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Posted by: @shiva

And then I run my keyboard, parroting out endless wu-wei as the cure for various problems ... but I don't get reciprocal tales or affirmations back. What to do?

short note for this is off topic

wu-wei confirmation - yes


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Interesting!  My knowledge of the Enochian language is pretty limited


Enochian is well worth exploring. The Vision and the Voice is second only to AL as a foundational document of Thelema

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But, never the less, wouldn't the word BABALON be subject to Biblical Gematria? 

Would not Enochian, as it's own language, be subject to it's own rules?

 

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Thank you for being my GURU and clearing things up.

 

LoL I'm nobody's guru, I'm just a Black Soror and a Selfie Stick Poseur. 😉 

 


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@katrice Your humility is refreshing.  You are insightful none the less!


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Katrice, I am very familiar with the Vision and The Voice, (the 1972 Sangraal Foundation edition)  having once owned a copy of it that I sold a while back. (Which I regret as it has gone up in price).  From what I recall, It contains 30 Calls of the Aethyrs  with having his visions, and Victor Neuburg acting as scribe.  It also contained copious footnotes.  It truly is a Magnum Opus.  It is not an easy read, and given my lack of exposure to the Angelic Language, much of it is beyond my understanding.  If you are interested, The Internat Archive (where I read most books since it's free)  has the multi-volume notebook editions in Crowley's own hand. You really get a sense of the urgency of his revelations, some quite unsettling in content.  His calligraphy in writing the Enochian letters are quite beautiful.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

(Which I regret as it has gone up in price).

Let us return to simply visualizing the Instruments (an advanced stage).

Now let us remember Books as Tools.

Then we appreciate that Books burn or rot, but digitalia persists. So we ensure the longevity of our Liberia by snatching down every free pdf.

We then pause to consider the failure of disks and drives, and the threat of the big EMP from the skies ... it fries.

In the end we have no choice but to internalize the texts, perhaps by memory but best by gnosis.

After the end, we find ...
the synapses and cells have failed
all the division has become veiled
we see the taxi-void has been hailed
we finally arrive at getting un-jailed

 


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