I find it odd that you have read "every book that has been written on this deck" and yet you would need the person to explain to you the sephira/planet/sign and its symbolism. I could do that right now and I'm a noob and have never been anywhere near an OTO lodge or even camp. And why 4th degree, I wonder?

Please do not misunderstand this reply as an attack or anything of that kind, I'm simply curious.

Try this guy:

provelli1@nycap.rr.com

I hope that guy wants his email recorded in this thread for all internet time 🙂

niveks:

Why dont you email Lon Duquette and ask for private consultation? You could also read his book in conjunction with the Book of Thoth.

You may also look up Phylis Seckler's book on the Thoth deck.

As for finding a IV* does a KEW count.. PI maybe, or do they have to be a IV* ?
I think they are all chillin' in the tent with Saladin drying out their robes. Check back later.

Well the OP said he had read every book written on this deck, so presumably he has read those.

93,

I hear IV* in O.T.O. is some hot shit.

If you have "all this experience", then why are you asking for more help? Is it really possible to read every book on the subject, and still know nothing about the subject? So you have 17 years experience reading, but none practicing?

This thread really makes no sense.

Hey, if you find someone, from using this site, please let me know. I might be able to find someone on this site to help me with my college homework. I would say the questions to them, and they can tell me everything about the question...

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I'm the man for the job. Once I get my IV grade you're going to get straight A's in every college assignment.. It might take me some time though.

Sure it does. Let's look at the facts. All we want is the facts, M'am." - Sgt. Friday

(1) A new "face" on Lashtal.
(2) Posting the same day that s/he became a "member."
(3) Posting a relatively simple question.
(4) Admitting some sort of ignorance.
(5) Accompanied by a quote or a statement or a footnote that implies they already know what they're talking about.
(6) Some sort of unreasonable scenario is portrayed or presented.
(7) A response is always solicited.

This type of post always seems to include the above enumerations and it often appears not too long after some "member" who used the exact same enumerations had his/her account closed for some sort of juvenile behavior. That is, it is a distinct style of a hook, dangled in hopes of enflamming controversy.

Possible magickal diagnosis: Reincarnation of a troll.

Unique note: The questor is offering big bucks in this offer.
We will probably never know why a IV-degree (of what lineage it is a fourth degree is not stated; OTO presumed, due to roman numeral designation) is required. The true symbology in the Thoth Tarot is only known by a IX-degree - or by anyone who can read The Book of Thoth, perhaps accompanied by the elusive Emblems and Mode of Use - the official document that reveals everything you ever wanted to know about bipolar magickal union and the insignia on the cards.

Consider these things and then remain ever alert, now and in the future, for the appearance of the seven non-sacred criteria of the resurrected troll.

Maybe I'm wrong or confused?
Maybe this is a legitimate, top-dollar, job offer?
Since I meet the qualifications, maybe I'm throwing away an opportunity to become rich and famous?
Maybe time will tell ...

Bravo, good sir! Thanks for the well-placed anecdote. 🙂

Welcome back, Shiva. I've missed your posts recently.

Man, I cannot wait for this! What are your rates? If you charge too much, I may just pay two II*'s. 😛

Based on a PM exchange with this fellow I dont think he is the troll of which we speak - just someone who thinks there is special Thoth Tarot instruction that comes along with getting the IV*

I dare say I agree - if you have all those books on hand you have more than enough information at your fingertips... Hell even Lon's book has a few month's worth of info before he even gets to the individual cars themselves!

Be careful when you go looking for a guru with cash in hand.

assuming the initiate applies themselves to the utmost, how long can it take to go from minerval to iv degree? it seems highly likely that anyone who has been studying the Thoth Tarot for 17 years and has studied every book on the subject would be a pretty well qualified expert.
is this some kind of a joke or something?

Its invitation only to the IV degree.
anyway this thread is fishy

You might contact Mr. Paul Hughes-Barlow at www.supertarot.co.uk

I am not sure about the IV degree, but he certainly has deep knowledge of the Thoth tarot deck. I have found his website and his Youtube videos very interesting.

(And he is not me, incidentally.)

I think it's an extremely "niche" version of the Nigerian Royalty phishing scam.

Well played, Nigeria. Well played.

I am not scamming anyone, just giving my opinion regarding an expert on the Thoth deck. He might also try Lon Milo DuQuette, who incidentally is an O.T.O. initiate, too.

No no no, I meant the initial post seemed like the scam, not yours.

I enjoy Mr. Barlow's talks on the Tarot on youtube as well for some time now, and have enjoyed poking around his site.

I particularly value independent views on Crowley's work and it's so good to see his use and remarks on this deck.

I am so sick of everyone saying this is a scam & for the person who referred to me as a troll right back at you. I came on here to find an instructor who is knowledgeable on the thoth tarot not to be slammed for my post. I have read the books & i do professional readings my intent was to dissect a card to understand all of its components as well as various symbolism on certain cards. So i cannot beleive that people made such a big deal out of this with there hate filled attitudes & stupidity. What a lot of low inferior jackasses but every forum has them............

93,

You do know you were exhibiting characteristics of a forum troll, right?

I came on here to find an instructor who is knowledgeable on the thoth tarot not to be slammed for my post.

Well, what do you expect? You walk in the door, say hi to everyone, and then start advertising that you want a Tarot nanny.

I have read the books & i do professional readings my intent was to dissect a card to understand all of its components as well as various symbolism on certain cards.

And you cannot do this on your own, let alone find a willing partner to help you in the endeavor (ie. someone you don't have to pay)? Also, I hear 777 works wonders for this sort of thing.

So i cannot beleive that people made such a big deal out of this with there hate filled attitudes & stupidity. What a lot of low inferior jackasses but every forum has them............

This is coming from someone who not only doesn't want to do their own work, but wants to pay someone else to do it for them.

It might be worth mentioning that this Site is not an initiatory body... not with Magick, Mysticism, the Qabalah, Tarot, or any other thing.

Another note, it might behoove you to actually research the forum archives. The search will almost certainly find some good threads on the Tarot, threads which you are welcome to resurrect and discuss with the group, free of charge. Try being a part of the community instead of a salesman, and you might get a more open response.

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How extraordinary, it talks back.

Sir, or Madam, whoever you are. Look. Sorry if I upset you but quite honestly, read your post. Now find an online copy of The Book Of Thoth by The Master Therion. Open it, and make sure that you have it the right way up, the light is on, and your eyes are open. Oh, and you have learned English. All done? Good. Open it, and read under the chapters dealing with those things - all data nicely tabulated towards the posterior of the volume, by the way, also in Liber 777, where they form the basic skeletal outline of the entire system, nonetheless easily picked up once you get it. Go on. Look.

That will be six ounces of gold, please.

Kind regards,
Noctifer.

Oh ye of so much sacasm, you do make me laugh. Let the person concerned pour their money upon the floor if t'is their will to do so. 😉

Ah, so that's what I've been doing wrong all these years! 😳 😀

If you donate 5,000 British pounds to Lashtal.com, and this act is confirmed, we may all band together and form the Voltron Buddha, and begin to simultaneously teach you the ways of the Tarot. Note that the Voltron Buddha is far beyond the IV*; all together we hold the degree of infinity, and we are not hindered by space, time, or even faulty internet connections.

For an additional fee of 5,000 British pounds donation to Lashtal.com, we will begin to communicate with you telepathically, urging you towards the great meaning of Tzaddi in its final form, and of course its corresponding Tarot attributions. Do not look into the Book of Thoth for this real attribution of Tzaddi, for we alone at Lashtal.com know it, and can only expound it while in Voltron Buddha form.

93,

Oh, and yes... for a one time only fee of a 1,000 pound donation, we will teach you the mysteries of zardoz. Yes, the mysteries of zardoz! For he is the one man (woman?) who has been able to attain far beyond the IV* while reading the Book of Thoth upside down!

That is the legend anyway. One doesn't really know whether he hung upside down and read the book upright, or whether he sat upright and read the book upside down. Even Zardoz gets mixed up on this sometimes, I hear. Supposedly, his enlightenment of the Book of Thoth came from hanging upside down from a Bodhi tree while also reading the Book of Thoth upside down. When asked about this in a recent interview, he simply replied, "Which way is up?" Followers of Zardoz went into a frenzy at this point, scared they would fall into the sky.

Some of them dove deep into the ocean in order to get away from the sky and its horrible intentions of swallowing people whole. Others have devised ways to combat the sky, and became airline pilots, astronauts, and meteorologists. Meanwhile, Zardoz simply hangs from the Bodhi tree, marveling at the amusing display of mindless humanity waiting to become enraptured by his own discoveries, instead of handing from Bodhi trees themselves.

However, even the secret of Tzaddi is kept from the great Zardoz, though he is a key to the whole puzzle. For when we form the Voltron Buddha, and Zardoz hangs upside down from the Bodhi tree (as he always does), and reads the appropriate scripture from the Book of Thoth containing the message of the Master Therion on Tzaddi, then alone may we all become awakened to the true meaning of the attribution shift.

And Ophiuchus... this can only occur when Ophiuchus is Rising, and the moon is in Ophiuchus, on the eighth day of the week, the day of Ophiuchus, which is only present on a calender we must summon forth from the future, in 2500 ev.

But I have said enough. The cyber bunnies chase me even now, attempting to band together and bounce me into the sky as a torture for divulging as much as I have. I am at great pains writing this, you see... as I have once been captured by the sky and have returned to relay this message unto man. Beware, oh men of earth, for the time of the sky gods is near... oh wait, what? Oh shit, the bunnies are coming! Make donations, and you shall get more info

This has been a test of the hyperbole podcast system. This was only a test. If you feel the need to send money to Lashtal.com in fear of the sky people, please don't. You will need that money to pay them off when they come for you. Note that wearing magnetized boots that are attracted to the Earth's core do not work against them. Only by hanging from Bodhi trees will you have any chance of escape.

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93 niveks. Might this be related Crowley's use of the Pelican symbolism and the V* OTO? (Guessing wildly here, due to lack of info from the Querent.) 🙂

And I thought it was the Tree that was upside down?!?!?? That's what I get from reading too much Frater Achad!

And for our next less-on (as opposed to more-on), repeat the magick phrase "Which way is up?" 5 times placing emphasis on a different word each time then finally the question mark.

Some of them changed libations.

93!

wolf254, you are right. After niveks' second post it probably would have been more gentleman-like to not ridicule him so much. 17 years experience or not, he seems to be looking for something particular. I am studying Crowley for over 20 years and still haven't got a clue about so many things. But I am afraid the real reason for that ridiculing lies in the fact that niveks (Kevin S?) appears to be either an OTO member or is looking specifically for an OTO member to help him. And what once was "my OTO is better than your OTO" has become a "My non-OTO is better than your OTO". That's kind of sad, or at least not very gentleman-like. Or so it appears to me at least.

Love=Law
Lutz

Just for the record, I meant to playfully ridicule the ridiculers but it just became ridiculous. And so it goes ...

I tend to agree with wolf354: "If someone can imagine a nice ending to this, please surprise me."

Locked.

Just for the record, regarding this "niveks" character: http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=60238#60238