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Artis Magistra
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(To clarify ahead of time since I've received some misunderstandings from individuals, I am looking for your particular answers which can only be provided by you, not textbook or general answers, I am not asking for 2+2=4 but rather how you might answer and say it in your own words)

I'm not sure where on the website to best post this, and though I am not entirely new to any information regarding the Occult or Esoteric topics, I have just joined the website and would like answers to be as thorough as possible and covering advanced understandings and explanations in such a way that generally anyone could come to understand.

Ask on all major occult forums how they believe:

How Magic works and by what Powers, Systems, Cosmology, or Means it works
What entities are and how they exist,
How Prayer Works
What blocks or makes it not work
What the various ethnic variations of magic have in common
What the various ethnic variations in magic don't have in common
What system works the best and why
What can be cut out of the systems where it still works, what is essential and what is the core of it that if done away with disables the whole efficacy of the magic
Shapeshifting and how real it can get and how it works
Is magic surface illusion or real and transformative of matter

Hello, I just joined this website (and many others) in order to ask a few questions pertaining to magic and its efficacy and most importantly your particular views on the topic. Your reply can conclude with any book reccomendations, pdf links, links to websites or articles that you agree with or whatever else you feel may assist in answering my question, but what I am really interested in are your own beliefs, understandings, and any experiences or the experiences of those close to you regarding the questions.

What I'd like to know from you (and each individual who answers, I'd like a complete answer if possible from each and it is all greatly appreciated, even if others answer similarly, please don't mind, I really want each person to say what they believe or understand or know in their own words if possible) is how you believe or understand magic to work, by what power(s), system/science, cosmology, or means does it work? What are the various understandings you've heard of and what is your understanding or which do you think is most true or most accurate?

I'd also like to know about entities or "spirits", in particular the non-human but also those believed to be human, as well as "planes" of existence or "dimensions" and your beliefs on any such cosmology, what these beings and places are, how they operate, what they can and can not do, and how they live and what the "rules" or "system" might be regarding these things, if you believe in any. Any dangers and a discussion on "evil" or even "negativity" is welcomed here as well and what your beliefs may be on that as well, also on the idea of "karma" and "retribution" or "things coming back".

Going back to the topic of "magic" and "magical acts", what "blocks" or "makes such acts not work"?

What do the various ethnic variations of magic and magical systems have in common?

What do the various ethnic variations of magic and magical systems not have in common and where and how do they differ and why?

What system in your opinion is the most effective and why?

What is essential to magic and what can be cut out of any system in order to deduce or establish what is absolutely essential and what is not essential at all for a magical act to still function or work or achieve its intended ends? What is essential and what is the core of magic and what would disable the whole magical act if it were missing or make it not work at all?

I'd like you to also tell me about "shapeshifting" and how "real" or evidential it can get or be, and how it functions and by what means it functions?

Similarly, is magic surface illusion or is it transformative of matter in a scientifically verifiable way in your view?

What are all the various views of how magic works and what is your view and what do you disregard and why do you disregard those other views?

If you have historical knowledge as well, what were the views of those in the past, and why, and how might you differ or agree with those understandings? In the case of history, it would be wonderful if links or writing which verifies or confirms the views is provided as the source of the idea being presented.

Thank you very much for answering all these questions, I really appreciate it. I am trying to gather as much information on these matters from forums where people may be interested in talking about these things at length. I will be reading everything, and feel free to email me at theartismagistra@gmail.com if you do not wish to discuss these things on the forum or would like to contact me via email instead. Thank you again, and I look forward to reading your views on these matters!

Feel free to include in your answers or discussion anything about the following as well:

What is "good" or "the best" or should be sought and why?

What is "evil" or "the worst" or should be avoided and why?

What is "white magic" as compared to "black magic" and what are the consequences of either practice?

What is the "right hand path" as compared to the "left hand path"?

What is a God and what place does it have in magic?

What is the purpose of ritual as compared to "raw" magic and ow are both performed and in what way are they effective? By what means do they function and work?

What is a "Demon"?

In what way does an "entity" live, survive, empower itself, perpetuate, and die?

What is a Vampire?

What is a Werewolf?

What is Ahriman?

What role does Hermes play?

What is Odin?

What is Mercury (the God)?

What is "Astral Magic"?

What is the role of the "stars" and how were they used in magic and how can they be used in magic?

How does magical information reach and impact various objects and entities, what is its range and by what means does it travel or move if at all?

What role does "blood" play as well as "genetics"?

What role does "memory" play in magic?

What are the distinctions between "Soul" and "Spirit"?

What is a "soul" and its function?

What is "energy"?

What is "emotion" and its role in magic?

Is magic more effective consciously or subconsciously and how does it work?

Where do thoughts come from, and any additional information about the subconcious, especially related to magic and magical practice would be much appreciated.

What is a hypostasis?

What is "alchemy", its function, and how does it work?

What is "shamanism", its function, and how does it work?

What is the "self" and why is that considered the "self"?

What is "possession" and why is that considered "other"?

What are dreams and what role do they play in magic?

Where do dreams and thoughts exist and by what means can they be used to influence "reality" if any such distinction is made between dreams and realities?

Can you list all the things one can do or that you've heard of one doing or have done through magical means? What are all the powers and do they function by the same system or different systems? What are those systems and why do they work?

Please provide a clear picture of the magical world and the unseen through your understanding?

Finally, has anyone heard of or had any sorts of visions which they consider a time before their birth, where they have perceived themselves as some sort of amorphous blob with colored lights inside of themselves (multiple people have mentioned this to me), each of the lights representing a life and its quality and other blobs can meld together and mix their lights?

I understand this would be a long discussion, but I am hoping to gather lots of nice long answers and encourage some thorough discussion with as much detail as possible in order to get an idea of what the general concensus might be on these matters.

I am not looking for answers from textbooks or online dictionaries or websites. I have already studied everything that I'm asking about a great deal, exhausting a huge amount of texts for research and continue to do so, so I am particularly looking for individuals to think about these things and to see what they come up with for answers. I have asked similar questions on other sorts of websites, but since those websites were not specifically aimed at these sorts of topics, people did not have much to say on these matters.

Additional questions that I hope you can answer are from my notes on my phone and computer:

How do visual images work in magic?

What is the relevance or potency of blood, semen, orgasms, bodily fluids in magic and magical operations and philosophy?

How do magical trinkets, objects, talismans, charms, amulets, and other magical objects work?

What is qualifies something as a sigil and how do sigils work?

What is the caduceus and its relevance and use? What does it represent and how can it be made and used?

What is the relevance of the screscent moon, mon symbols, skull symbols, dark colors and black, horns, hornd hand symbols, goats, wings, crowns, hats, eyes, triangles, wands, rods, and any significant symbols which I have neglected to mention here (feel free to mention any important ones which come to mind and what they represent and their uses), and their magical uses and how they are put to use and by what means they work or are effective?

What is the importance of using genuine materials and ingredients in magical operations?Are they symbolic only or is there some importance to the actual materials, metals, woods, bones, furs, blood, or whatever else is used? How and why do they work?

What is the significance of blood, blood sacrifices, human sacrifices, sex, orgasm, inducing fear, anxiety, inducing trauma, torture, domination, soul eating, disease, storms, and their potency, importance, reality, and uses in magic? By what means do they work and how are they made ineffective or their efficacy null and void?

What are your views on fate and free will/free agency?
What are your views on being manipulated by thought forms, objects, spirits, or entities? Especially considering the nature of how thoughts seem to appear unconsciously, could it be that the magical object is manipulating, influencing, or controlling the so-called wielder, or a greater force manipulating multiple individuals and objects? If you believe this, can you explain how such things would be working and operating?

What made you believe in magic?

Thank you again for the effort you make in thoroughly answering these questions. Your replies are not only to me, but may remain on this website and help others who are curious about such things as well.

Many people on other websites tend to respond in very short terms, but I truly appreciate lengthy and thorough answers which hopefully cover in every detail all that I've asked as well as other things you may think I may be interested in learning or which may be important to study or understand (with specific attention given to what that importance may be as well).


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arthuremerson
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You might consider distilling your inquiry in favor of concision. You just may be asking too much.


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Artis Magistra
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That is a good suggestion and I think you are correct. There was a purpose to the amount of questions and their sequence, and I was hoping to find those willing to answer them in an enthusiastic and energetic fashion or who would be so kind as to take the time to do so showing a great interest or willingness to share their own views on each of the questions in detail. I have so far only received some interest from one user on a certain website who seemed willing to share their thoughts but I have not checked back yet to see if they have. If no one is able or willing to answer these questions in order and in detail, that will be noteworthy for me as well, though I do understand that it doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of knowledge on any of the matters listed. I would be happy to answer each in detail myself (had anyone asked me, or even now), except that would potentially disrupt or influence the answers from other people, and I'm trying to receive what people tend to say in order to see any common themes in their personal beliefs or ideas rather than an actual concern about what is "true" or anything like that.


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Ask on all major occult forums how they believe:

LAShTAL is not an occult form.


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http://bfy.tw/8EI2


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lashtal
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Artis Magistria - I'm trying to square your two statements: 'Many people on other websites tend to respond in very short terms' AND 'I have so far only received some interest from one user on a certain website.'

I assume that 'certain website' is WizardForums.com - the ONLY hit when searching online for other occurrences of your text.

There's a certain - dishonesty? - in joining a web site and immediately posting an enormously lengthy request for information including phrases like: 'Ask on all major occult forums how they believe...' On whose behalf are you circulating this questionnaire? Why the Gmail email address?

Your references to 'crescent moons ... skull symbols, dark colors and black, horns, hornd hand symbols, goats, wings, crowns, hats ... blood, blood sacrifices, human sacrifices, sex, orgasm, inducing fear, anxiety, inducing trauma, torture, domination, soul eating, disease, storms' - well, they indicate that you haven't the least understanding of the nature of this site.

Finally, as Shiva correctly observed, LAShTAL is not an occult website.

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Jamie J Barter
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LAShTAL is not an occult form.

Nay, laddie - as the actress said to the bishop: it's in full open view...

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Artis Magistra
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Hi Shiva. I'm sorry if I used a term in my notes that does not quite fit what you view this website to be. I apologize if the term "Occult" is somehow troublesome, misleading, or disturbing for you, but it is really besides the point and I hope that word does not so completely absorb your attention that it distracts you entirely from the request(s) contained in the initial post, which is mainly that you provide if possible through some effort and energy spared through what we hope is a vast store, some of your personal opinions regarding those things which I have asked.

There are many people, on many websites, who get very stuck on words, like "Occult" and that such a word was used. What would you like me to call this website in particular? Is it even important at all what one calls it in their notes? To worry so much about that seems that conversation may be very difficult after all and if we were to get stuck on every word and particular we might not get very far, so please try to overlook any such errors on my part. I was directed to this website, and I am in the process of adding my series of questions to other websites (which may or may not be called "Occult", I don't care for that word myself, I don't care that I've used it in my notes either, but I am sorry if I have somehow offended you or your sensibilities by its uses, having that word in my writing, and posting it on this website). I would likewise probably feel a little bad or disturbed if I somehow offended an autistic child by saying the word "cheese" without knowing they have some issue with it, I really am not here to hurt your feelings.

As far as I'm aware, this website has a great deal to do with the sort of things that I'm interested in, whatever you prefer to call it, and the users here may also share such interests and harbor the ability to happily answer these questions and share their views on all these matters. Only one such person has thoroughly responded so far on the forum you mentioned. Some of the websites I joined have not yet allowed me to post or I haven't figured out where I am given permission to post yet on those websites. Others I have not yet joined. I will be typing in a number of terms into a search engine and then systematically signing up to all those forums and posting these questions there as well. I've explained what I am doing on the one website mentioned by the other user here, called Wizardforums.

Hi Dis! Yes, I am aware of google, and I am not looking for those sorts of answers, I am looking for what people say and how they say, their personal inflections and how they describe these things and what they think.

Hi LAShTAL. Yes, at the time of writing that, that is the only website which would have shown up, though I have posted it elsewhere as well, and will continue to do so for a little while on the websites that I can. I don't understand the honesty issue. On that forum you mentioned, I've explained to them in detail what I'm doing, and have been entirely honest about it as well. You can now also read the response given by FarhnamDrunk or more particularly my response to his response to my questions which is now available, but prior to that in my other posts there, I explained everything in detail. Thank you for your interest. I don't understand your question fully. I am operating as an individual and alone, not on behalf of anyone but myself. I'm not sure if that is the answer you were looking for, but what I am is that I am not part of any organization or group which is working to circulate these questions. I don't understand the question about the email address? I provide my real email address so that people can contact me if they wish to and discuss things there if they would like to.

Those things that I mentioned in those questions, are general. I was going to post the same exact questions on a number of different websites, some of those websites are expected to be Satanist websites. Those symbols and notions are not exclusive to stereotypes of "Satanism" but have also appeared in other contexts and with various uses. As far as I'm aware, this website is known as "The Aleister Crowley Society" and has to do with things like Thelema and Magick and related themes. Even if it doesn't this website still may have members who are interested in those sorts of things due to their interest in Aleister Crowley and his life and work. I don't find that this is the wrong place to post these things at all, and these are as far as I'm aware potentially the right sort of people. I am already familiar with the answers, I'm not asking these things in order to get answers which I can easily find on google or from texts, I have a massive library and I've already studied each of the topics in a great deal of detail. What I'm looking for are individuals and in what way they respond to these questions, even the overwhelming nature of how they appear and their sequence and certain repetitions. I understand also that it is very likely most people will not respond in any cooperative fashion, and that is why the questions appear as they do, to filter out people who do not feel enticed, interested, or urged to answer these questions and enthusiastically share their views.

So again, since this is the Aleister Crowley Society forum, and Aleister Crowley was an individual who had lots to do with what others might call the "Occult", though you too will have to forgive me for using a word which may be odious to you for whatever reason or as a misnomer, there may be people here who are involved with or interested in these sorts of topics, either academically or through their own practices and beliefs.

I hope that clarifies things a little better, and if you have any more doubts or questions, please feel free to ask me more and I can try to clarify further if you find that necessary. Thank you again.


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Artis Magistra
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Yeah, and I'm glad its all in the open.


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Jamie J Barter
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LAShTAL is not an occult website.
This wasn't Shiva's contention: it's highlighted prominently in the Guidelines to the site (q.v.). Shiva was just trying his usual ploy to get an apple from teacher - and he did!

... the response given by FarhnamDrunk ...

- Crazy name, crazy guy!?

(Talking of which, Artis Magistra - and incidentally I quite like the measured tone of your response - if you want everyone to be so upfront & open on a variety of subjects,I was wondering why in that case you didn't think of putting your real name [as a wee sort of encouragement, you ken?] And I agree with what arthur says, concision is also a key factor in what you're asking here: most of the topics you bring up would require a thread each to properly deal with them all.)

Non-occultly yours,
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Artis sez (sed): Hi Shiva. I’m sorry if I used a term in my notes that does not quite fit what you view this website to be. I apologize if the term “Occult” is somehow troublesome, misleading, or disturbing for you.

Nothing "troublesome" here. It's simply the unofficial motto of this non-occult website/forum.

OCCULT means "hidden." There is nothing hidden here, as we are gathered to FIND, REVEAL, UNVEIL, and EXPOSE.

PS - Your posts are too long, so I missed a whole batch of justification. You could write ten Equibox-sized volumes, trying to convince yourself (but not us) into believing LAShTAL is an "occult" site. How silly.

Posters, usually new, often ask technical questions here. Sometimes they are simple research queries, and they are answered. Sometimes they are people looking for secrets (none here) or personal power tricks, or [gasp] ways to do evil ... etc. In such cases, the Moderator usually steps in and reminds them ...

(quote) " LAShTAL is NOT an OCCULT SITE " (unquote)
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My advice to the OP is to do some reading and experimentation like the rest of us. It is no coincidence that the world is littered with literally thousands and thousands of books that cover these subjects. Some agree, some don't. If you are genuinely interested in the "occult" get out and do your own work, form your own opinions and see where it takes you. We have never lived in a better time for access to information and instruction.

I find the original request completely over the top and the lack of response to the request not at all surprising.


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I am already familiar with the answers, I’m not asking these things in order to get answers which I can easily find on google or from texts, I have a massive library and I’ve already studied each of the topics in a great deal of detail.

LOL! We are not worthy. 🙂

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Artis Magistra
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Hi, sorry to bother you, but I can't seem to see my last reply where I responded to each of the comments made here. I'm not sure why that is?


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Artis Magistra
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Perhaps things of a certain length don't post, but how does that account for my initial post? Strange! I tried to post it again! Oh well! I did respond to all of your comments so far! Thank you very much for commenting!


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Jamie J Barter
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LOL! We are not worthy. 🙂

The following extract could also be cherrypicked in similar vain?

I am not looking for answers from textbooks or online dictionaries or websites. I have already studied everything that I’m asking about a great deal, exhausting a huge amount of texts for research and continue to do so, so I am particularly looking for individuals to think about these things and to see what they come up with for answers. I have asked similar questions on other sorts of websites, but since those websites were not specifically aimed at these sorts of topics, people did not have much to say on these matters.

Was that really the reason, though?! Could it not possibly also have been most people lead busy lives and may not have an inordinate amount of resources to lavish upon such time-consuming tasks and questions as you propose & outline though?

I can’t seem to see my last reply where I responded to each of the comments made here. I’m not sure why that is?

That is indeed a very perplexing turn of events - mebbe the management can look into it? I would be interested in reading your further responses (as long as they weren't too long, of course!). Surely though (* shock emoticon*) you can't have been suggesting that it may have been in some way edited or excised by the moderator himself? That simply cannot be so & in the past people have actually been barred for daring to have the effrontery to suggest less. Perhaps (ho ho) it has truly become "occult" in its own write?

Meanwhile, still remaining non-occultishly yours - i.e. in plain site:
И ∫ºλ


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Artis Magistra
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I like your response style as well Jamie! I appreciate your question and comment. I did not use my real name because I didn't think to use my real name and I don't like to use my real name anywhere because I barely even consider it my real name and it indicates my gender which I like to try to keep a bit of a mystery on the internet so that people respond to me and say funny things which indicate how they imagine me as this or that. It is really interesting. I wrote those questions in such a lengthy fashion to make sure I didn't miss anything, but also to filter out people who do not find themselves entirely enthusiastic about taking on such an enormous seeming task out of their passion for such topics. I may produce an abridged version that at least eliminates the questions which repeat, but those repetitions were to give people a chance to talk more on particular topics in case their initial responses to those were brief and they had something more to add. I provided my email so that people who might not feel comfortable responding in public can reach me there as well.

Thank you Jamie!

Hi LAShTAL, yes, I understand that my honesty or straightforwardness about my massive library and extensive studies might sound a bit pretentious or arrogant or even provocative to people who have trouble with others who sound high and mighty and who might thus desire that they are "put in their place" by those whose ego has been offended by something which they imagine which disturbs them, but that was not my intention, and thus my intention. My intention in mentioning that or making such a difficult to absorb boast was to try to put away ahead of time any comments from people who insist I should "go to google" or "go and read for yourself", since I have tried to be clear that I am not interested in that, that was not the purpose of the questions, what I am looking for is you, your opinions, your ideas, the way you say it, and things like that. I can not likely find that on google or in my massive library full of thick and hard books. The most straightforward method in attempting to get that which I want, which is to see you create and write on these particular topics, is to ask you those things which I'm interested in having you and others answer. That is what I did, and that is why I did this, rather than doing what I also do, which is reading books and searching the internet or whatever else. So please don't be offended, and I'm glad you had a laugh at my claim, I'm sure others have big libraries full of books too if that makes you feel any better, in fact, your library might be bigger than mine and the books in them even harder, maybe with some Latin vigor keeping the covers from becoming soft or the contents from becoming less capable of impregnating the imagination.

Hi Shiva. I didn't know about the the unofficial motto. I don't really care for the word Occult myself. I actually don't really care about too much at all. I'm sometimes afraid I have something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataraxia or is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia , whatever it is, its alienating, and that is especially a problem for someone who wants to communicate with people but constantly feels alienated from their experiences and dialogue. Maybe it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_detachment but everything people say to me sounds totally absurd and wrong, so maybe I'm just being an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annoyance while also being annoyed, and people don't seem to make it easier for me even though I try to be straightforward and I'm happy to explain myself.

So here is what I was expecting. I was expecting to post these questions on a number of websites that might have members who are interested in these themes or answering them. The people who would be most passionate about answering them would overcome their little silly qualms, those are the kinds of people I was looking for anyway and the rest would eliminate themselves or identify themselves as those qualms-giving types. Then I would get an opportunity to also talk about these things, then I would potentially extract those people I kind of charm to my secret email chambers and have my way with them, laughing and chatting and having a kind of sleepover party. I also expected to see and have openly expose the kinds of stereotypes that are pervasive among these kinds of communities, stereotypes which you'll see frequently in places like the Wizard Forum which is one of the few that I've managed to sign up to thus far.

I find that I'm a nice person to know, and I'm happy to talk about things that you're likely interested in as well.

I am not here looking for secrets or any of that or power tricks. I understand you all must be annoyed with the 13 year olds and 16 year olds who come in asking for tips and tricks on one easy way to light a candle and ejaculate in a pie, but I am asking these things to hear how people personally respond to them. The answers are not really important to me, or rather, the content of the answers being this or that, I am not asking you what 2+2 is in order to find out that it is 4, I could easily consult Lord Google for that, but instead, I am asking for that particular quiver in your voice when you might say 4, your way of saying it, that is what I'm interested in, what you yourself think and how you choose to describe these things.

Hi Mazus. I've explained the purpose of my questions. They are to get an idea of the tendencies and trends in the way people personally respond to these topics, the ways in which they describe them. I don't know why people continuously imagine that I'm asking because I'm unwilling to study or have not studied. I think it may be because they think "Why in the world would someone ask about things which they already have studied and know about, certainly they must be seeking answers, otherwise they would be a fool!" without going further (or even that far) because "too long, didn't read my own thoughts", but what I am looking for is not that, but rather you answering, which is not something I can find by "forming my own opinions" or whatever. The only way for me to get your way of talking about these things is if you talk about them.

You may be right LAShTAL.


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Artis Magistra
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Perhaps it didn't post. What I had said was the following:

"I like your response style as well Jamie! I appreciate your question and comment. I did not use my real name because I didn't think to use my real name and I don't like to use my real name anywhere because I barely even consider it my real name and it indicates my gender which I like to try to keep a bit of a mystery on the internet so that people respond to me and say funny things which indicate how they imagine me as this or that. It is really interesting. I wrote those questions in such a lengthy fashion to make sure I didn't miss anything, but also to filter out people who do not find themselves entirely enthusiastic about taking on such an enormous seeming task out of their passion for such topics. I may produce an abridged version that at least eliminates the questions which repeat, but those repetitions were to give people a chance to talk more on particular topics in case their initial responses to those were brief and they had something more to add. I provided my email so that people who might not feel comfortable responding in public can reach me there as well.

Thank you Jamie!

Hi LAShTAL, yes, I understand that my honesty or straightforwardness about my massive library and extensive studies might sound a bit pretentious or arrogant or even provocative to people who have trouble with others who sound high and mighty and who might thus desire that they are "put in their place" by those whose ego has been offended by something which they imagine which disturbs them, but that was not my intention, and thus my intention. My intention in mentioning that or making such a difficult to absorb boast was to try to put away ahead of time any comments from people who insist I should "go to google" or "go and read for yourself", since I have tried to be clear that I am not interested in that, that was not the purpose of the questions, what I am looking for is you, your opinions, your ideas, the way you say it, and things like that. I can not likely find that on google or in my massive library full of thick and hard books. The most straightforward method in attempting to get that which I want, which is to see you create and write on these particular topics, is to ask you those things which I'm interested in having you and others answer. That is what I did, and that is why I did this, rather than doing what I also do, which is reading books and searching the internet or whatever else. So please don't be offended, and I'm glad you had a laugh at my claim, I'm sure others have big libraries full of books too if that makes you feel any better, in fact, your library might be bigger than mine and the books in them even harder, maybe with some Latin vigor keeping the covers from becoming soft or the contents from becoming less capable of impregnating the imagination.

Hi Shiva. I didn't know about the the unofficial motto. I don't really care for the word Occult myself. I actually don't really care about too much at all. I'm sometimes afraid I have something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataraxia or is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia , whatever it is, its alienating, and that is especially a problem for someone who wants to communicate with people but constantly feels alienated from their experiences and dialogue. Maybe it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_detachment but everything people say to me sounds totally absurd and wrong, so maybe I'm just being an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annoyance while also being annoyed, and people don't seem to make it easier for me even though I try to be straightforward and I'm happy to explain myself.

So here is what I was expecting. I was expecting to post these questions on a number of websites that might have members who are interested in these themes or answering them. The people who would be most passionate about answering them would overcome their little silly qualms, those are the kinds of people I was looking for anyway and the rest would eliminate themselves or identify themselves as those qualms-giving types. Then I would get an opportunity to also talk about these things, then I would potentially extract those people I kind of charm to my secret email chambers and have my way with them, laughing and chatting and having a kind of sleepover party. I also expected to see and have openly expose the kinds of stereotypes that are pervasive among these kinds of communities, stereotypes which you'll see frequently in places like the Wizard Forum which is one of the few that I've managed to sign up to thus far.

I find that I'm a nice person to know, and I'm happy to talk about things that you're likely interested in as well.

I am not here looking for secrets or any of that or power tricks. I understand you all must be annoyed with the 13 year olds and 16 year olds who come in asking for tips and tricks on one easy way to light a candle and ejaculate in a pie, but I am asking these things to hear how people personally respond to them. The answers are not really important to me, or rather, the content of the answers being this or that, I am not asking you what 2+2 is in order to find out that it is 4, I could easily consult Lord Google for that, but instead, I am asking for that particular quiver in your voice when you might say 4, your way of saying it, that is what I'm interested in, what you yourself think and how you choose to describe these things.

Hi Mazus. I've explained the purpose of my questions. They are to get an idea of the tendencies and trends in the way people personally respond to these topics, the ways in which they describe them. I don't know why people continuously imagine that I'm asking because I'm unwilling to study or have not studied. I think it may be because they think "Why in the world would someone ask about things which they already have studied and know about, certainly they must be seeking answers, otherwise they would be a fool!" without going further (or even that far) because "too long, didn't read my own thoughts", but what I am looking for is not that, but rather you answering, which is not something I can find by "forming my own opinions" or whatever. The only way for me to get your way of talking about these things is if you talk about them.

You may be right LAShTAL."


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Artis Magistra: Forum posts containing multiple links are automatically held by the site for approval in a Pending area as a spam prevention measure. I was asleep when your posts arrived and have now cleared them.

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Oh man...such walls of text.
ArtisMagistra, even if this was an occult site I doubt you would get any responses due to the unreadability of your writing style alone. Your sentences compete for the world records in run-on-sentences (no punctuation) and especially repetition. You seem to ask the same thing about five times in a row in barely different ways, much like a small child pulling his parent's pantleg pleading over and over.
That said, if I were you I would try Heruraha forums for thelemites answers , but I would um...tone it down/edit it to one or two paragraphs and less questions?
It almost reminds me of a data collection algorithm.

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…tone it down/edit it to one or two paragraphs

That would be like carving the Great Pyramid down to the size of a doorstop.


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That's true; he is pretty Great.

Honestly Artis Magistra the best advice here besides edit down your queries/post length, is to practise the Arte yourself. Unless you are doing some kind of strange scientific/psych study to judge peoples answers in which case this is hardly the forum.

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To be precise, if you want to discuss Magick, for example, these forums are for discussing the magick that AC did, not magick in general. That's why its the AC forums and not the Thelema/Magick forums. That is my understanding anyway, if anyone wants to correct me.

From time to time we are allowed brief metaphysical indulgences as it relates to teh works of AC and Grant but yes focus on such matters is generally not looked highly upon.


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I also wholeheartedly agree with Shiva to leave all the Occult stuff for more appropriate sites, discussing Crowley sent me down a dark path of Thelemic Messiah -complex that took 23 Steps (In the Alcoholics Anonymous in my city) to get me back on track. Thank God for the psychiatric doctors in my city to get my sleep rhythm back, I was almost wide awake for 2 years.

HeruRaha aka the Fruitcake Factory (term coined by Los?) is the destination. Here in LAShTAL we tend to stay in historical Facts.


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To be precise, if you want to discuss Magick, for example, these forums are for discussing the magick that AC did, not magick in general. That’s why its the AC forums and not the Thelema/Magick forums. That is my understanding anyway, if anyone wants to correct me.

Not wishing to correct you, chris, but to look at the matter from a different perspective: one of the largest forums on Lashtal is called "Thelema" and contains within it not only actually "Magick" but those massively down-to-earth subjects Qabalah and Astrology as well. Furthermore, the website not only discusses the magick which AC did, but the magick which Austin Spare and Andrew Chumbley and Kenneth Grant and Jack Parsons and BobAnton Wilson did too, although admittedly not quite with the same degree of prominence (it is after all subtitled the home of "The Aleister Crowley Society"). However nonetheless, these magicians also have substantial sections devoted to them & their otherwordly and super-natural practices on this otherwise "non-occult" website.

Could you maybe tell us what is the main difference between what you describe as "the magick that AC did" and "magick in general" - as I for one am not quite clear, if we take his definition to be that it is the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will, and that every intentional act is itself a magic[k]al act?

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Hi LAShTAL! Thank you, now I understand why my post was not immediately visible while others were. Thank you for letting me know and allowing my post through, it was very kind of you and I hope you had a good sleep as well! Sorry to disturb you.

Hi christibrany, I think your suggestions are good and I will look into the forum you mentioned! Thank you so much for that! I wonder if a parent gains anything from answering a child. Yes, the intention of the questions has generally been misunderstood as far as I'm aware. On the website mentioned earlier, I recently received a very nice response that took the opportunity to pleasurably discuss their own practices and ideas based on the questions. I am already aware of my own answers, but I was interested in how people might respond to these questions (if they ever do), and also the general response to these questions (like those who already have). I may create a reduced version that limits the repetitions (which were meant to give further opportunities to those being questioned to return to the subject and add more detail to their responses), and also makes it easier and more palatable for people, but then again there is something I might also like about introducing myself in this way and the kind of initial reaction it receives and how it might quickly set people apart and identify those who might be more passionate, interested, or patient from those who respond in other ways. Thank you though, I agree that your strategy would be a better one in order to receive less resistance and possibly more responses. Based on what you've written in further comments, I think I am beginning to understand how these questions may not be so welcomed in this portion of the community or forums, and for that I sincerely apologize, I was not aware, and only sought to come in contact with those who may be interested in these sorts of topics, including Aleister Crowley and his practices, as well as those of Kenneth Grant.

Thank you so much Jamie J Barter for your comment. This is the exact sort of question I would have liked to ask as well, but may not have for fear of offending anyone in this community (having just walked into a room full of historians and blurted out something about werewolves, and having no pants might not be helping either).

"Could you maybe tell us what is the main difference between what you describe as “the magick that AC did” and “magick in general” – as I for one am not quite clear, if we take his definition to be that it is the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will, and that every intentional act is itself a magic[k]al act?"

I'd really like to know, and I'd be happy to discuss these things at length in this thread, if any of you don't mind!


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Do any of you have any other suggestions for websites I might like to join and post these questions on? You can also send me as a nuisance to your competing or enemy websites if you have any. I may create a less intimidating version, but I almost wish not to lose that initial reaction!


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All you really need to know is The king of all drinks, Dr. Pepper has been around since 1885. Better than Pepsi, Coke, and RC Cola combined, Dr. Pepper owns my taste buds for life. In a recent study, scientist tell us that Dr. Pepper is scientifically proven to be 1,000,000,000 times better than any other soft drink. The secret 23 flavors in Dr. Pepper are what keep people coming back for more. It goes great with any meal; breakfast, lunch, dinner, or a midnight snack. I like it, personally, because it is much more syrup-y than those other drinks. Pepsi is too bland, and Mountain Dew is too citric acid-y. If it was healthy to bathe in Dr. Pepper, I totally would. I would like to thank pharmacist Charles Alderton for inventing it, and my mom for letting me drink it.
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There are no other secrets, the combination of 23 flavors is totally supreme in terms of carbonation.


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The Key to All High Magick or Alchemy lies in the fact that in the Olden Times Dr. Pepper was also advertised as liquid sunshine. Now if you pesky little brat are brave enough to contact those Enochian intelligences that are Hidden in the Suns of the Water (WARNING: YOU HAVE TO PLAY CHESS with them. Go ahead. I warned you.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXXiQhbOB0

Chariots Forever Lead.


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The taste itself is very cunning as the advert says, it could be likened to Catshit (Some simply like it or not)


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I guess I appreciate your effort ayino, but I don't like feeling like those impolite people who don't laugh.


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Ok, I liked this last part about Catshit (so now you know more about my tastes)!


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Aleister Crowley was credited as believing in "preternatural entities", would any of you like to discuss what you understand those to be, where they are (their location in whatever sense or "place"), their mode of existence, how they live, if and how they emerge, grow, operate, decay, and die, and how Aleister Crowley was thought to have contacted these entities in your view, and how you understand that such procedures may have worked or why they did not. Basically, everything about your personal understandings related to these "preternatural entities" and your views regarding them. Thank you very much!


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Do not contact Abuldiz if your liver is not too strong, He does not cause nose bleeds like the other fellas but way too fond of C2H6O. Schizophrenia and later rehab in Alcoholics Anonymous more than likely to occur for those of the faint heart.

You also could end up initiating people with a Towel wrapped around your head. And when the Secret Imam is drinking dissolution is more than likely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn0rFO2x828


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Thank you ayino, but I wrote these questions to hear what people have to say about these things and to start a discussion on magick. I also wrote an easier single question to get people on the topic concerning "preternatural entities".


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What are you exactly expecting? A Miracle? A Receipt story? A Recipe?

You cannot say that everybody's happy.
But you can say that everybody is now safe from each other.

At least I sought so, until a few days ago when I heard of some mother by the name Maria (With Capital Mem) Who's newborn baby was speaking in the strangest tongue backwards.

A miracle?

Some expert had uttered the word "Voodoo".

Get the Recipe right. Then go after the Receipt Story.


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I wrote these questions to hear what people have to say about these things

There's a basic conflict/problem here. Many (most?) members of this site are serious folks, and so they subscribe to the four Powers of the Sphynx, especially the fourth: To keep Silence.

See also: CONVERSE REVELATION: "Those who know (gnosis, jnana), do not speak. Those who do not know, talk a lot." This is an Universal Principle. Thus, any lengthy responses you may receive to your questions will most likely be from the least knowledgeable and poorest informed of our flock.

Some among us, who probably do know, are most likely to not answer the questions, but rather to tease you, and make comments upon your folly.

So ... you are doomed in your endeavor by the primordial principle of the cosmos. There is, however, one clear-cut, guaranteed approach that will surely get a big bunch of respondents:

You simply need to offer $5 (or 5 Lbs, or 5 Euros, etc) for each question answered. Everyone is offering REWARDS these days. Get with the New Age current ...

OFFER INCENTIVES OR PERISH


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@ayino :

All you really need to know is The Key to All High Magick or Alchemy lies in Dr. Pepper ...
I recommend that you keep taking the medication! Or maybe if that's the cause of the trouble, that you STOP taking the medication? ... and I don't necessarily mean ol' Doc Pep's Recipe (which for some reason is putting me in mind of Grannie's sight-affecting liquid moonshine [as opposed to sunshine] in The Beverly Hillbillies...)

@Artis Magistra :

I also wrote an easier single question to get people on the topic concerning “preternatural entities”.
With some questions, it may be necessary to strictly define our terms in order to arrive at satisfactory answers. We established on the forum quite recently that the meaning of praeter is "beyond" or "more than", so it would follow on that something which is preternatural would mean "beyond or more than what can be considered natural". This being so, for the sake of your answer what would you take to be the main difference between something which is preternatural and something which is supernatural? And having established that, what sort of fundamental differences do you consider there to be made between the nature of extra-terrestrial (outside of the earth) and ultra-terrestrial (from within the earth, maybe from a different dimension) entities, since these would also markedly & profoundly influence 'where they are (their location in whatever sense or “place”), their mode of existence, how they live, if and how they emerge, grow, operate, decay, and die.' Etc.

@Shiva :

Some among us, who probably do know, are most likely to not answer the questions, but rather to tease you, and make comments upon your folly.
Surely not <* aghast emoticon* >

"On the topic",
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Hi Artis Mag,

I see you are very interested to engage in discussion so I will answer one of your questions I chose at random. The question is:

What are the distinctions between “Soul” and “Spirit”?

To which my answer is:

Crowley himself didn't make much distinction here nor in related writings that i'm aware of. However I will refer you to the book of Abramelin the Mage who makes a distinction. Something to the effect that the body can live up to seven years with spirit but without a soul. The question is more suited for Theosophy than Thelema. Regards.


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You are absolutely right, I think that is what it must be. Thank you for bringing up those important points Shiva. What I was looking for were how people on various websites might respond to or discuss (or refuse to directly discuss) these sorts of things. I am seeing how they respond. For example, one might enter a police station or a few police stations and say some things and get a general idea of the typical tendencies in the ways they might respond, and it may differ based on various factors.


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Thank you! Excellent points Jamie J Barter! I wasn't really interested in my views on the matter since I'm aware of them, but on the views others might have by these various questions and terms. When was this recently established on the website, in which thread, do you have a link to it? It would be much appreciated, thank you very much, but there is no need to trouble yourself with it, since I am also more interested in communicating more directly with people who are active currently, so if it is difficult to find where this was recently established on the forum, you don't need to provide the link or evidence.

Great answer DMH, and I will most likely be visiting some Theosophical websites as well in the near future to ask these sorts of things to hear what they tend to say also, but I am interested in particular if you have any personal views on this matter? I do like what you directed me to though!


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@ArtisMagistra :
Thank you! Excellent points Jamie J Barter! I wasn’t really interested in my views on the matter since I’m aware of them, but on the views others might have by these various questions and terms. When was this recently established on the website, in which thread, do you have a link to it? It would be much appreciated, thank you very much, but there is no need to trouble yourself with it, since I am also more interested in communicating more directly with people who are active currently, so if it is difficult to find where this was recently established on the forum, you don’t need to provide the link or evidence.

No, it's not difficult at all. It was established in the course of a brief exchange between me and Mick Staley, in the thread entitled "Aiwass" (on the Thelema discussion board, 3rd page, Replies # 97194, 97199 & 97214 refer) if you really need to know: but I think you're making a bit more of a deal out of it than it really warrants, and there is no real need for you to trouble yourself with it! Maybe I might be wrong, but your comment that you're not really interested in your own views on the matter seems a little bit of a superfluous smokescreen to deflect the discussion, as the idea of it was, as I said, to clarify (by means of fairly strict definition) what is meant by the words chosen in 'various questions and terms' by yourself, in order to ease (mutually) satisfactory answers by others.

To arrive at this was the reason I was trying to discover why you chose the term preternatural in the course of your question as opposed to supernatural. Some people think the terms are more or less identical in that they both refer to something which is beyond what is currently explainable by the known laws of nature, but if that was the case I was wondering why it was that you yourself chose it; or if not identical, then what difference you perceived there to be between them (it's a query that could just as easily be asked of A.C. himself in relation to "preaeter-human intelligence", except that he's no longer around to answer.) Words are all we have to work with in the current medium (lashtal), and particularly so in terms of dealing with your question(s), so we may as well try to be as sure as we can what is meant by them.

This was the reason why I asked you to also clarify whether you were concerned with extra- or ultra- terrestrial entities (in line with the definitions given), as this would take half of the possibilities to be considered out of the equation, cos if you meant extra-terrestrials, then that would be a whole other kettle of fish from home grown and indigineous lifeforms (This is also a major question with relation to Aiwass "him"self - assuming that this entity was not a product of A.C.'s own mental processes, of course, another receptacle full of poissons - although unfortunately it has not been discussed satisfactorily as such in the actual eponymous thread here of that name referred to above.)

So, before it's possible to properly answer your own question(s)*, it would be interesting and educational to see these two clarifications dealt with first in order to proceed further along the delicate primrose path of direct communication...

Mass debatingly yours,
N Joy

* "where they [these entities] are (their location in whatever sense or “place”), their mode of existence, how they live, if and how they emerge, grow, operate, decay, and die ..."


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