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06/04/2012 8:54 pm  

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I wanted to see what sort of answers I would get on this one. As we all know, there are four times in the day when Resh is performed. Let's say that we are up all night and then we don't wake up until about 2pm in the afternoon. I would gather that at this point, both Sunrise and Noon have passed so my question is. Do you just do Noon Resh at 2pm or just wait til sunset to do the Sunset Resh? I just thought it would be interesting to see what answers I would get.

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06/04/2012 11:18 pm  
"Frater Triumphus" wrote:
Let's say that we are up all night and then we don't wake up until about 2pm in the afternoon.

One of the results of practicing Resh seriously is that it tends to encourage healthier sleep cycles.

Do you just do Noon Resh at 2pm or just wait til sunset to do the Sunset Resh?

Generally, one doesn't do "make up" performances because one is supposed to be aiming to be as precise as possible in the times (since the goal is to make you aware of the solar cycles, part of the natural world outside of your head).

Of course, nothing's stopping you from "making up" performances. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.


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07/04/2012 8:30 am  

I'm with Los on this one. I don't think there's any point in doing a noon observation at 2pm.

I also think that if you're doing the Working with intent, then you arrange your life in such a way that the observations are undertaken as and when they need to be.


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07/04/2012 11:08 am  

of course, with daylight savings time, the sun actually is at its zenith here in Berlin shortly after one, so two isn't that far off the mark. for my own part, i have alarms set for the times, but if i can't perform it just then i try to perform it as soon as i am able.  i think of it as a continuum - at one end we have 'not performing any at all' and at the other 'performing all four at their precise times'. i think it better to perform than not to perform, even if one is so far behind schedule that it makes it more of an observance than a performance. I do agree with Los, though, that over time Liber Resh can encourage a more regularized schedule....or madness!


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07/04/2012 4:01 pm  
"Los" wrote:
"Frater Triumphus" wrote:
Let's say that we are up all night and then we don't wake up until about 2pm in the afternoon.

One of the results of practicing Resh seriously is that it tends to encourage healthier sleep cycles.

Unless you live as far north as I do, in which case practising Liber Resh will result in unhealthy sleep cycles, especially during midsummer.

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07/04/2012 6:21 pm  
"WilliamThirteen" wrote:
i think of it as a continuum - at one end we have 'not performing any at all' and at the other 'performing all four at their precise times'. i think it better to perform than not to perform, even if one is so far behind schedule that it makes it more of an observance than a performance.

This is a good point. It would be impossible to always perform the ritual *exactly* at the *precise* moment, so then the question becomes *how* much one is willing to be "off."

If you miss the mark by fifteen minutes or so, that's not a big deal. If you're eight hours behind, then you ought to just chalk that one up to a miss. Anything in between, well, you'll have to use your best judgment.

I'm sure there are all sorts of scenarios we can dream up where work/sleep schedules would interfere with the ritual, and in those cases, it would be better to devise one's own ritual (in fact, it's arguably *always* better to devise one's own ritual). The point isn't to say *those* exact words or invoke *those* godforms: the point is to call one's mind the real position of the actual sun at regular intervals until it becomes sort of always in the back of the mind. One might easily replace Resh with a brief solar meditation four times a day, or a short song one hums to oneself at appropriate times while visualizing the sun shining on the other side of the world and the earth's position relative to it. There are as many possibilities as there are practitioners.

HG:

Unless you live as far north as I do, in which case practising Liber Resh will result in unhealthy sleep cycles, especially during midsummer.

Heh, that's where the  "madness" William was talking about comes in.


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08/04/2012 10:12 am  

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Sound advice gang. I have picked up a very unhealthy sleep schedule the past few months, not being able to sleep until about 6am and waking up around1 or 2pm. Hopefully this will change now that the summer months are coming. I definitely recognize that it would be healthier to get more light and a way of developing a better sleep pattern would be regular usage of Resh. Thanks for all of your responses.
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08/04/2012 1:38 pm  
"Frater Triumphus" wrote:
I have picked up a very unhealthy sleep schedule the past few months, not being able to sleep until about 6am and waking up around1 or 2pm.

You're not a student, are you? It's just that as the father of a 20 year old son currently studying for a Philosophy degree, I can say with some authority that what you're experiencing is entirely normal!

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08/04/2012 9:18 pm  
"lashtal" wrote:
"Frater Triumphus" wrote:
I have picked up a very unhealthy sleep schedule the past few months, not being able to sleep until about 6am and waking up around1 or 2pm.

You're not a student, are you? It's just that as the father of a 20 year old son currently studying for a Philosophy degree, I can say with some authority that what you're experiencing is entirely normal!

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As a 32 year old philosophy student I agree.


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09/04/2012 6:06 pm  

Am I way wrong to perform Resh at the actual sunrise, solar noon, sunset, times?  That's the way I've always done it, but I admit to doing Midnight Resh right before bed unless I'm awake at the time proper. 


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09/04/2012 6:36 pm  
"Sol2Sol" wrote:
Am I way wrong to perform Resh at the actual sunrise, solar noon, sunset, times?

In my opinion, no.


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William Thirteen
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09/04/2012 8:29 pm  

to paraphrase Luther Ingram - if performing Resh at the actual sunrise, solar noon and sunset is wrong, i don't wanna be right... 🙂


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02/04/2014 5:46 am  

Practicing at set intervals would be quite difficult when studying formally. I only studied magick related materials during my Psych. degree,  and so I completely missed the point.

I can only summarily re-iterate the instructions as I believe I understand them. That is, to get the newspaper and discern what time the sun rises and sets. Leave it thus until the sun passes into a new sign or such. Thus should be a good barometer. I have never been very north or south so I can't comment on that one.

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02/04/2014 12:41 pm  
"Los" wrote:
[...] One might easily replace Resh with a brief solar meditation four times a day, or a short song one hums to oneself at appropriate times while visualizing the sun shining on the other side of the world and the earth's position relative to it. There are as many possibilities as there are practitioners.

Including using as an alternative which will work “just as well", that "couch, book or a coffee table” - as Los has previously pointed out!  (That has to go down in some all-time “Classic 100” list, surely?!  Check out the “Thelemic Practice” thread on the Thelema board circa Replies in the #80s if you want to bring a smile or a snort to your face…)  Having said that, though, I have to agree with the sense of his remark in the penultimate sentence before that:

"Los" wrote:
I'm sure there are all sorts of scenarios we can dream up where work/sleep schedules would interfere with the ritual, and in those cases, it would be better to devise one's own ritual (in fact, it's arguably *always* better to devise one's own ritual).

Just not one involving a settee, methinks!  However until one does, Crowley’s Liber Resh is undoubtedly the shortest and most direct means to the end, cutting through a lot of corners.  (Unfortunately A.C. appears to give a conspicuous lack of commentary on the matter, notably with regard to the signs of the grades, etc.  Also I am not exactly sure how much the four rituals may be (in)directly derived from Ancient Egyptian practices of solar worship and how much are A.C.’s more ‘modernist’ updating for the Aeon of Horus– maybe someone else with more knowledge in the field here could fill us all in on that one?)

I have both scrupulously observed timings, including not missing a day’s adorations over a five year period, and also been rather more laid back about the approach - and I have to say after a certain stage I haven’t noticed any unmistakeable marked qualitative difference between the two since the intention of ‘worship’ is the paramount factor - although as this is my own practice, this inference drawn would naturally not necessarily refer to anyone other than myself.  I have also found (as I’m sure other practitioners beyond a certain stage will have also) that there comes a point after regular performance of the Adorations when there IS an unmistakeable result in the perception of a direct communication with the solar intelligence/ being itself, and once that link has been experienced it never disappears again. 

There was also a post a month or so ago in which Kenneth Anger appeared to have reduced the Adorations down to just waving at where Sol/Ra would be and uttering “Hello Sun”.  There are two ways of viewing this exercise: either he is a lazy sod and may not know what he is doing (probably rather unlikely on the odds, given a lifetime spent in the close pursuit of Thelemic-based activities), or that he has so concentrated & refined it over this period of time that he can “sum up” the essence in a word & a gesture that would take up literally a couple of seconds. 

And who would (could) say “nay” to that?!
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02/04/2014 4:26 pm  

I practiced it meticulously, as laid out for years.
After a time Resh changed as did the realization of my position, on this planet in relation to the Sun at all times.
A twofold reduction. After a certain solar perspective is achieved it becomes a moot point?


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02/04/2014 4:34 pm  
"jamie barter" wrote:
(... Also I am not exactly sure how much the four rituals may be (in)directly derived from Ancient Egyptian practices of solar worship and how much are A.C.’s more ‘modernist’ updating for the Aeon of Horus– maybe someone else with more knowledge in the field here could fill us all in on that one?)

The essence of the ritual goes back to the Stele, front, line 4, which Crowley versified as "I have made a secret door / Into the house of Ra and Tum / Of Khephra, and of Ahathoor..."

He began working with this idea already in Cairo in 1904, whence the Ritual ב  section 7, in the Blue Brick (pp. 670-671 and notes, in my 1994 edition; it should be "[Beth] 2", but I can't get this window to behave with Hebrew, which keeps wanting to put the "2" before the Beth). The ritual postdates the transliteration of the Stele, and already has part of Crowley's versification implied, but probably predates Liber L. It comes from sometime in the two weeks between March 23 and April 7.


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02/04/2014 5:40 pm  

Excellent clarification as usual Belmurru. 

What I was really wondering though was how much the daily adorations may have differed from any similar prayer or worship to the Sun in Ancient (Egyptian) times – such as whether they might have had anything comparable to doing it at these four quarters or stations of the day, etc., and whether the composition of the Adorations in Resh itself – given that they do directly relate to the text on the Stele of Revealing – might therefore have a basis in a much older formalised version, whether as a sort of hymn, song of praise, daily testimonial or whatever. 

Additionally, might the 'four-fold' division of Ra Hoor Khuit being the active manifest form of Heru Ra Ha into Ra, [A]Hathoor, Tum and Khepra also have had more of a traditional basis?  The scarab venerated as the sun at midnight is well known and of course Ra the sun likewise, but the allusion to Hathoor as the solar deity at midday and Tum as the same at setting are less well-known and I was wondering whether there might be more of a history behind these than has apparently been suggested in the past.

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03/04/2014 5:34 am  

A slight digression here.....

I've been thinking of composing a ritual, similar to Resh, but instead of focusing on solar adorations, it will be adorations to "the sun behind the sun", Sirius, with an Invocation of the Goddess Sothis.  This will establish a direct link to receive the influx of the Current emanating from this Star-Goddess.  This is a ritual of Stellar Gnosis. It is, I feel, a necessary compliment to the Solar Gnosis of Resh.  However, I'm busy with Gradework and other projects, at this time.  If any Brother or Sister of The Aleister Crowely Society, and or any of the Fraters/Sorors in the Orders in which we are members would will to assist me in the creation of this ritual, I would be grateful.  Perhaps this is something that Michael will be interested in including in an upcoming issue of Starfire?


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04/04/2014 12:20 am  

noxy, I think this is a great idea, I have long thought of something similar.  In fact , although I know we are supposed to 'cater to our opposites' so to speak, in order to be more balanced, I have long felt that a solar ritual wasn't really for me, as I feel far more attracted to the moon and also the black sun, and sirius.  So I would love to help. 


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04/04/2014 5:44 am  
"N.O.X" wrote:
I've been thinking of composing a ritual, similar to Resh, but instead of focusing on solar adorations, it will be adorations to "the sun behind the sun", Sirius, with an Invocation of the Goddess Sothis.

For what it's worth, I end Resh (after reciting the Song of Adoration) by identifying with the sun and then by identifying with Nuit (and the body of stars that comprise her). "Let it fill me" can apply equally to the light of the True Self "filling" the infinite expanse of the universe. I guess you could write a new adoration specifically for this purpose if you want, but it might be more effective to ad lib it.

This will establish a direct link to receive the influx of the Current emanating from this Star-Goddess.  This is a ritual of Stellar Gnosis.

What, specifically, does "stellar gnosis" mean?


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04/04/2014 12:14 pm  
"N.O.X" wrote:
I've been thinking of composing a ritual, similar to Resh, but instead of focusing on solar adorations, it will be adorations to "the sun behind the sun", Sirius, with an Invocation of the Goddess Sothis.  This will establish a direct link to receive the influx of the Current emanating from this Star-Goddess.  This is a ritual of Stellar Gnosis. It is, I feel, a necessary compliment to the Solar Gnosis of Resh.  However, I'm busy with Gradework and other projects, at this time.  If any Brother or Sister of The Aleister Crowely Society, and or any of the Fraters/Sorors in the Orders in which we are members would will to assist me in the creation of this ritual, I would be grateful.

I was involved in the creation of a similar working which was designed to coincide with the heliacal rising minutes before the dawning of Ra; as such it was supposed to serve as the 7th working of the London Caliphornian OTO group of which I was then in charge.  I regard[ed] it not some much as a completed piece but more of a work in progress which would possibly benefit by further revision, except that in the 25 years since then I have done nothing further with it.  Maybe this is the call?!  Certainly if you can make any use of it as a template I will provide.  (N.B. warning though: some folk might consider it slightly top-heavy with declamatory poetry - not my own I hasten to add!  But that can always be diluted according to taste, I suppose…)

"Los" wrote:
For what it's worth, I end Resh (after reciting the Song of Adoration) by identifying with the sun and then by identifying with Nuit (and the body of stars that comprise her). [...]

Would this be before or after you identify the sun with the settee in your living room?  And how about the “sun behind the sun” – does that amount to, say, the rocking-chair you might’ve got stashed away in your spare room behind?

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14/08/2014 8:13 pm  
"jamie barter" wrote:
What I was really wondering though was how much the daily adorations may have differed from any similar prayer or worship to the Sun in Ancient (Egyptian) times – such as whether they might have had anything comparable to doing it at these four quarters or stations of the day, etc., and whether the composition of the Adorations in Resh itself – given that they do directly relate to the text on the Stele of Revealing – might therefore have a basis in a much older formalised version, whether as a sort of hymn, song of praise, daily testimonial or whatever.

Just noticed this post. Yes, German Egyptologist Jan Assman has covered the practices at the four stations in his excellent work, Egyptian Solar Religion: Re, Amun and the Crisis of Polytheism. It's a bit pricey - his work is touched on in a more general book, The Cult of Ra by Stephen Quirke. (Quirke is more interested in the twelve stations for the day and twelve for the night

Of course, if you accept The Beast 666 for he is, there is no need really to go looking for lesser examples.

Thelema is scientific. Crowley transformed what was useful from the old stuff and put it in a scientific basis. It's quite amusing (or interesting, depending on your knowledge) to look at the commonality of solar station religious and non-thelemic practices though.

On a lighter note (btw I found your comment about Kenneth Anger's "Hello sun" quite funny lol), in the Indian tradition, Brahma Muhurta is a similar one and recognises that if you wake up tired a few seconds before sunrise your mind won't exactly be at its most acute for meditation. The thelemite chooses the practices he or she feels achievable, and gets to know the science (and psychological/philosophical bases) behind them. But if that sounds like hard work there are plenty who ask people to do it on the basis of something someone wrote hundreds of years ago or "millions of people do/did it". They usually end up selling you something (as this Indian chap - in dark glasses - does), or else add recruiting memes to lessen critical brain activity (such as soporific music and some reassuring new-age quasi-science).
http://youtu.be/aWlY5NghvqU
http://youtu.be/oCJri5co7gk
http://youtu.be/sb4NN_wd3pk
No offence to either of the guys in the videos - something for everyone. And the Indian guy's idea about focussing the mind with something before getting up is pretty good (a thelemite just focusses on his or her will or course).


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