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12/04/2020 12:01 pm  
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The codon   wikipedia chart shows the amino acids with their Trigram bases. 

No, it doesn't.

While it may be possible to smash the square peg of 64 DNA codons of three things each into the round hole of the I Ching, the four "letters" just can't be transformed into old/young yin and Yang without a lot of work.

 

 Re: the wikipedia chart ;

 

Strictly speaking yes there are four amino acids (working here) abbreviated as T, C, A and G.  Each one is used as a base for the other three and this is made simple in the display which uses the criss-cross method (an X-Axis and Y-Axis if you like)  or sequence as the chart shows.  The overriding principle of the symmetry in the chart used as a simpiflied way of demonstrating the sequence is TCAG.

 

So we have  TCAG on the X-axis and TCAG on the Y-axis where, first off, in the top left- hand corner,  T meets T giving us four bases of TT in 'a Trigram' as follows 

T T             T       

T T             C

T T             A

T T             G

Go across the X-axis and then you have T meeting C  ie bases of TC

 

TC              T

TC              C

TC              A

TC              G

 

Go across again and we have T meeting C  ie bases of TA

 

TA              T

TA              C

TA              A

TA              G

so on and we have a total of 64  TCAG 'elements'. 

 

I can see where McKenna was going with it he would no doubt describe the TCAG elements in each 'Trigram' X-Axis and Y-Axis as having a 'meta' quality therefore leaving us with 64 bundles of three (a la Trigram) amino acids.

Is it like trying to shove a round disk into a triangular hole to make The I Ching do similar in producing the 64 Hexagram sequence?  Well, you would have to try an X-Axis and Y-Axis chart to criss-cross across.    

The 64 Hexagrams are derived strictly from the

yin

yang

(yin or yang)

Trigram bases.   

 

I'm beginning to wonder how he was ever taken seriously with this (e.g. DR R.A.Wilson) even though he stresses it was never a mere 64 for 64 correlation bu that it exactly what it looks like on further analysis.   Whether this renders his theory about 64 hexagrams as a periodic table of time itself over epochs is another matter or for another time.    

 

He makes a brief summary here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vkoDkeaVM&t=1219s

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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12/04/2020 12:28 pm  

Apologies (and for double post) the following youtube link/interview is the more relevant one so circa 4m09s onwards he describes the 64 Hexagrams and the 'physics behind biology' particularly 6m56s where he says it's not a mere 64 to 64 correlation "the coincidence between the structure of the I Ching and the structure of DNA is staggering, it's not a simple 64 correlation but all the processes that occur in DNA can be easily modelled with the 6 line Hexagrams that make up the I Ching."  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4QTtnPEWg&t=335s

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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12/04/2020 8:00 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Shivatmadarshana

Shiva, I know for Atmadarshana and for Shivadarshana. What is Shivatmadarshana?

(Other poits of your post later. @frater-r ditto.)


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12/04/2020 9:46 pm  
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What is Shivatmadarshana?

The Vision of the Destruction of Atma, the Universal Self,
who is seen to be just another invention of mind,
and thus is illusion.

This Vision is attributed to the Ain Soph realms. There is no "other," no "self." In Hinduology, Shiva dances the Tandava, which destroys all illusion. Nothing is left. Pure Mind. No symbols, no concepts. this is pralaya, the interval between Great Breaths of Brahma. Each of us enters our own pralaya every night ... usually.

For those who might get scared, like Terrence, all illusion is still there ... it's simply rarefied or sublimation into pure energy. When Shiva stops Natarajaing (dancing), the essences of illusion slow down from Warp Speed to normal Light Speed and Vishnu  takes over, trying to preserve the whole thing again. Meanwhile, Shiva has a hangover, so he retreats to Mount Kailash in Tibet where get gets his act together (in meditation) before he goes home to be Shiva the Householder again.

Well, actually, these three levels are happening simultaneously. You (anyone) just has to pick which elevator button you're going to push, at any given time. Mostly it's the ground level floor ... gravity is real and it pulls harder than "nothing."

 


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12/04/2020 10:09 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This Vision is attributed to the Ain Soph

OK, thanks.


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13/04/2020 2:00 am  
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This Vision is attributed to the Ain Soph

OK, thanks.

Note that I wrote "Ain Soph realm," which includes Ain Soph Aur. Things get a little fuzzy at that altitude, lack of gravity and oxygen you know, so I'm not going to split any hairs Ains over it, one way or the other.

Maybe next Spring. After I solve some puzzle.

 


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13/04/2020 2:44 am  
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After I solve some puzzle

I'll only solve that puzzle if you will too. 😉 


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13/04/2020 2:46 am  

@shiva

Yes, I've noted it, just kept the answer as brief as possible.

I like that you in your QBL's Tables (Appendix IV, from the p.238 on), have made, in the Key Scale, a separated lines for 0, 00 and 000 (Ain, Ain Soph & Ain Soph Aur) while in 777 all those three realms are placed in the same line, 0.


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13/04/2020 2:49 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

Fuck it, if

there was in fact no highest intelligence at the tiller or in the "engine room" of the universe and (...) pure chance rather than design held sway

then we all are really fucked. Or not?

Not necessarily; it doesn't have to be as bad as all that!  Like everything else, the more familiar you become with something (even the existential terror that we might be all alone which lies at the more extreme ends of humanism/atheism) the less of a drama (or ordeal) it is. 

A.C. also addressed the matter in "The Despot" chapter of his The Book of Lies.

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How about sticking it all in the "Beginning and end" thread you started instead, where it is similarly mentioned?

That thread/post was about the beginning of AC's magickal career and the highest point of his attainment.  

Why are you trying to start arguments?

Why are you being so hyper-sensitive and have you forgotten LAShTAL is primarily a debating forum?

"Highest point"? Didn't your actual title itself suggest the end (rather than the high point) of his "magickal career"?

You also stated that in it, you wanted "to transpose McKenna's Timeline Zero" and then went on to discuss that sideline at some length.

Posted by: @shiva

Aren't all those "high-grade" elements Man-made? That is, not in the "natural" "god-made" list of elements?

Yes; the ones with Atomic Numbers of 93 and above are those which do not naturally occur on Earth apart from in physics laboratories, however that is not to say they could not very well also appear within the core of stars or as the by-product of supernovae, etc.

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Who's going to start that thread?  "Shivatmadarshana and the Realm of Pralaya?"

There are an exceptional number of existing topics under discussion at the present time and unprecedented amounts of new ones being created every week and so for the moment at least I for one must regretfully decline

N Joy 


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13/04/2020 2:57 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Not necessarily; it doesn't have to be as bad as all that!  Like everything else, the more familiar you become with something (even the existential terror that we might be all alone which lies at the more extreme ends of humanism/atheism) the less of a drama (or ordeal) it is. 

Agree. I've needed a lot of time to start to like some abyss-like emotions/thoughts which have bothered me before.


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13/04/2020 7:33 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

while in 777 all those three realms are placed in the same line, 0

Right. In the Transhimalayan "7-Planes Chart," the 7th plane (up) is simply called the Adi. The Adi is one plane above the Monad (Kether), so there's a tendency to lump all that supra-Kether stuff into one vast plane that is essentially Nuit (Infinite Space).

But then Transhimalaya assigns three grades to that Space, all of which are beyond 10=1. Everything is really very abstract at such levels. Even talking about such things is a sign of sentience senility.

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have you forgotten LAShTAL is primarily a debating forum?

Oh crap!  I never new that in the first place. Here I've been thinking all along that it's a "show and tell" society.

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the ones with Atomic Numbers of 93 and above are those which do not naturally occur

93, eh? Well, call the Qabalists. Liber 333 ends at Ch 91. We all know 93 is Bingo. What about 92? Is it the "missing link." The final chapter of 333 that could not be written, because it's The End of the World for whoever is transiting that numbered phase.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

and so for the moment at least I for one must regretfully decline

That's okay. I already answered that one in a single short post. Your Declination may be reserved for some really bad topic.

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I've needed a lot of time to start to like some abyss-like emotions/thoughts which have bothered me before.

Okay, Jamie, you can call the schizophrenic attendants now.

 


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13/04/2020 8:09 am  

 Where were we?   Codons and Hexagrams and Timewave Graphs. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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13/04/2020 5:37 pm  

Did you get that program to show the graphs you wanted?


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13/04/2020 7:59 pm  
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Did you get that program to show the graphs you wanted?

I haven't done it yet thanks as i was analyzing the background theory to it all which you can view a few posts up ^.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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