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michaelclarke18
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10/02/2013 11:11 am  

you don't have to pay attention to them if you think them so appalling.

In my view, it has taken up a lot of 'posting' time, that would have been far better spent on other topics. It's been a poor discussion and alas demonstrated that - it's purely one of personal choice/preference - I like black, you like white, I think black it better etc. That, it seems to me has been the level of debate

Only my opinion folks.


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Azidonis
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10/02/2013 7:19 pm  
"michaelclarke18" wrote:
In my view, it has taken up a lot of 'posting' time, that would have been far better spent on other topics.

Topics such as what... and why haven't you been trying to discuss them if they were a better use of posting time?


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michaelclarke18
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10/02/2013 8:22 pm  

Topics such as what... and why haven't you been trying to discuss them if they were a better use of posting time?

I don't see what it's got to do with me - if i choose not to post - but if you look back at the current thread, and then ask yourself whether the thread was a good use of time...you will understand my point.


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Azidonis
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10/02/2013 11:13 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
"michaelclarke18" wrote:
In my view, it has taken up a lot of 'posting' time, that would have been far better spent on other topics.

Topics such as what... and why haven't you been trying to discuss them if they were a better use of posting time?

"michaelclarke18" wrote:

Topics such as what... and why haven't you been trying to discuss them if they were a better use of posting time?

I don't see what it's got to do with me - if i choose not to post - but if you look back at the current thread, and then ask yourself whether the thread was a good use of time...you will understand my point.

So, you are saying that those who posted in this thread (other than yourself, of course) could have made better use of their time. What criteria are you using to judge the way others spend their time?

"michaelclarke18" wrote:
Only my opinion folks.

Oh, right.

My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.


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Shiva
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10/02/2013 11:48 pm  
"Azidonis" wrote:
My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

Stop!   You can't logically do that. Once you have read the material, and found it to be a waste of time, you have already wasted the time and that fact cannot be dismissed.

However, you can apply that form of dismissal to future events.

Iy's very sobering when each of us (readers) actually realizes that we are putting our sanity on the table every time we read someone's (anyone's) post. I call this phenomenon, Tablement ... as opposed to Enlightenment or Excitement.


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Azidonis
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11/02/2013 1:29 am  
"Shiva" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

Stop!   You can't logically do that. Once you have read the material, and found it to be a waste of time, you have already wasted the time and that fact cannot be dismissed.

However, you can apply that form of dismissal to future events.

Right. I can realize the past endeavors as a waste of time, and then dismiss any future ones, which may also cause an over-generalization, in the event that mc18 actually says something that I would find of value.

Then again, what is value? Subjective and arbitrary.

We could quite probably reason this one bit into an enormous array of absurdity, making it all pointless eventually.

I agree that word choice could have received better placement, so as to avoid such fallacies.

"Shiva" wrote:
Iy's very sobering when each of us (readers) actually realizes that we are putting our sanity on the table every time we read someone's (anyone's) post. I call this phenomenon, Tablement ... as opposed to Enlightenment or Excitement.

Sweet sanity!


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michaelclarke18
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11/02/2013 10:25 am  

My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

But a lot less time as reading this sorry thread. Though, I am very happy that I skip'ed a few parts - the ego vs ego sections.


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11/02/2013 12:59 pm  

Tsk!  I don’t know, I go away for a long weekend and come back to a veritable Everest of more silliness… The question is, can I as the OP rescue anything or is this thread now effectively doooomed?  I’ll try - but the issue seems to have devolved down to whether there is any value for myself and/or anyone else to be had from the further entertainment aspect as opposed to the ‘proper’ discussion of the subject-matter of this thread.

"ignant666" wrote:
There is so much snow here in Ghetto-Upon-Hudson (an hour south of Aesopus Island in much better weather) right now.

Thank you for the weather update, ignant666.  Yes, we have been having a bit of snow here in the UK also, but I don’t think quite as much as you have.  It has however been quite chilly of late and I have had to wrap up warm whenever I go out, in fact [nb, note to self: come back & fill in rest of reply later]

"michaelclarke18" wrote:
I sincerely regret that this thread had not been deleted and/or locked soon after the opening post all those weeks ago.
Torture.

But at the risk of, as ignant 666 says, “accusations of misconstruing AL & the writings of AC to follow”, are Thelemites not actually enjoined to kill & torture?!  Let us not also forget that the tribulation of ordeal is bliss!?  😉

"Shiva" wrote:
Yes. It's been pretty bad, hasn't it?

Tilt!  Personal opinion!  Therefore Disallowed (by your own criteria, viz:

as if anyone else ("readers") cares two toots or a pennyweight about what anyone else ("posters:) does.

Send 'em on through!

"MichaelStaley" wrote:
The original poster seems to have been seeking to justify a personal decision not to keep a Record when in fact it is a personal decision that needs no justification. Innit?

No – as I repeatedly have said (check for yourselves, I cannot be arsed to “quote” everything here any more than I have to) I was attempting to explore the pros & cons; that everyone is entitled to their own method (including electronic versions); that I may (shock horror) even be arrogant in my assumption of not needing to keep one, however in which case I was willing to be proved wrong by an intelligent argument if so & change my mind (although judging by the posts received I don’t think that will be quite happening just yet sometime soon).  Please note that I entitled this thread “worthless or worthwhile?” – if I was set on thrusting my personal beliefs down anyone’s throat & wishing to stir up more controversy by having a manichaeist ‘black & white’ attitude, wouldn’t I have labelled it “worthless not worthwhile”?

"michaelclarke18" wrote:
It's been a poor discussion and alas demonstrated that - it's purely one of personal choice/preference - I like black, you like white, I think black it better etc. That, it seems to me has been the level of debate
Only my opinion folks.

See comment addressed to Shiva’s Reply #47, above

"michaelclarke18" wrote:
ask yourself whether the thread was a good use of time...you will understand my point.

Also from Reply #’35: “Talk about hi-jacking a thread…it calls for Graham Chapman as the Major in Monty Python bursting through and saying: "stop this, it's getting silly!  We had a perfectly good thread going about the Magical Diary and then you had to go and get silly..."

"Azidonis" wrote:
My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

Hear hear (here)

"Shiva" wrote:
"Azidonis" wrote:
My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

Stop!   You can't logically do that.

The difference here is in the tense – i.e., “reading” as opposed to “read” (rhyming with “led” as in “led zeppelin”).  Also one cannot really judge anything to have actually been “a waste of time” till one has come to the end of it, unfortunately.  Or as Azidonis says:

I agree that word choice could have received better placement, so as to avoid such fallacies.

More, please?

"Shiva" wrote:
Iy's very sobering when each of us (readers) actually realizes that we are putting our sanity on the table every time we read someone's (anyone's) post. I call this phenomenon, Tablement ... as opposed to Enlightenment or Excitement.

Or perhaps even, "Excrement"?

"Azidonis" wrote:
"Shiva" wrote:
Iy's very sobering when each of us (readers) actually realizes that we are putting our sanity on the table every time we read someone's (anyone's) post. I call this phenomenon, Tablement ... as opposed to Enlightenment or Excitement.

Sweet sanity!

This is all personal opinion, both Shiva’s what he calls “this phenomenon” and Azidonis’s comment : “sweet sanity”.  I, for example, imho disagree with it being sweet sanity. (Study also my remarks above in my replies to Reply #47 & #48.  I will be asking questions later.)

"michaelclarke18" wrote:

My opinion is that reading your opinion is hereby dismissed as a waste of reading time.

But a lot less time as reading this sorry thread. Though, I am very happy that I skip'ed a few parts - the ego vs ego sections.

But surely these are the best part?!?!  I am of course joking (if not choking, with disbelief and horror at the entanglement of this thread).  However I cannot (and don’t particularly want to either) repeat myself or what the issues are, because some moron (figuratively speaking) will then accuse me of rambling on or boring people to death with it or only giving my point of view, which by the nature of existence is in fact inevitable & the point of “debate” in these forums.  Or so I was led to believe.  I am still hoping though that someone will say something less silly & more cerebral for me to respond to, or might I have misjudged the nature of this website?

Apparently pissing into an oncoming gale,
N. Joy


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Azidonis
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11/02/2013 5:05 pm  
"michaelclarke18" wrote:
Though, I am very happy that I skip'ed a few parts - the ego vs ego sections.

What would you call this, exactly?

"michaelclarke18" wrote:

However for a number of years I have found that I get, and have got, by perfectly well without the need for one.  This is not laziness, but can it be arrogance, perversity or perceptive iconoclasm? 

The problem is that you don't know what you have lost, because you have nothing to validate it against.

But please don’t say it’s an “aide-memoire” – that won’t quite cut the mustard

You don't seem to want to accept that you are losing either.


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michaelclarke18
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11/02/2013 7:29 pm  

What would you call this, exactly?

Your ego demands that you absolutely *have* to have the last word. Well, you are more than welcome to it. All yours!


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12/02/2013 12:28 pm  

Apologies to anyone that still finds this banter entertaining, but...

This thread is locked in the hope that the effort being applied here by members might be better applied in a refreshing new post that might actually be of some relevance to the home of The Aleister Crowley Society.

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