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Does anyone have any magickal affinity with the Number 23?

In July 1996, I was on a Crowley/magickal pilgrimage of sorts to Egypt.

Here is a general overview of my experience...

I recited Liber Samech in the lowest chamber of the Khufu pyramid, and without any effort received some very strange neon green like flashes of linear and hexagonal patterns appear streaking through the astral light of consciousness...it was a very refreshing experience, as the Pyramid was cool...and the temperature outside was over 100 degrees!

After, I went to Kom Ombos - Crocodile Temple, where I was given the idea by a pleasant young lady who I met at the temple to use some charcoal, and trace a hieroglyph into my diary from one of the pillars of the temple. I then randomly placed an empty page sheet of my book over one of the pillars and started to trace...what appeared, was something which I was astounded by later on my return home...

Later that day, we took a felluca boat to Edfu. On the way...I was pushed off the boat in the Nile...it was late afternoon, and the Nile was choppy like the sea, and there was alot of wind...so the sailing boat just drifted away into the distance...leaving me bobbing up and down for 45 minutes! (where I almost drowned). Luckily, I was rescued by a float of timber. This was the day before my 23 rd birthday, which I will never forget. On the day of my birthday, I spent the day at the Temple of Horus... where I paid some baaksheesh to the security guy at the Temple of Horus, in which he allowed me to stand in the actual sanctuary of the Temple of Horus, Edfu.

...a great 23 rd Birthday ...! I was alive!

Many years later, I read in 'Outside the Circles of Time', that the number 23 has much significance...it symbolises the letter M, or Ma, Path 23, it has also been referred to as 'the supreme Door to Daath'; it was Crowley's age on his initiation in the G.D.; on May 23rd, he took the Oath of Ipsissimus; Crowley lived for 69 years (23 x 3).

Also, 23 is the relfex of the 32 paths of wisdom...

My tracing of the hieroglyph at the Crocodile (Set) temple (Kom Ombos), was shaped like a cup....(the collecting of the Kalas raining down from Nuit)

On page. 150, of 'Outside the Circles of Time', Kenneth Grant, examines the hexagrams of the I Ching. He mentions the 23rd trigram, Po, as being an inverted cup, which resonates with Nuit, the kalas, and sagittarius, being the arrow of Nuit. Po, also means 'over-throwing', 'preparing revolution'.

Kenneth Grant refers to, Frater Teloch; he noted that Crowley received The Book of The Law in 1904 (19+04=23). pg. 150, 'Outside the Circles of Time', Kenneth Grant.

All this, makes the Number 23 a very potent number for me...

How does the Number 23 appear in your magickal experience?

Best Wishes

Charles


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Dude...you to read 'The Illuminatus! Trilogy' by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, right NOW.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illuminatus-Trilogy-Robert-Shea/dp/1854875744/sr=8-1/qid=1165880672/ref=pd_ka_1/026-1448070-7505264?ie=UTF8&s=books

It's going to make your day. 😀

Other 23 related goodies:

The final trilogy of William S Burroughs (The Western Lands, Cities of the Red Night and the Place Of Dead Roads). The Western lands is all about Egyptian death rituals, whilst the Place of Dead Roads contains a virus B -23 that turns people into idiot sex craved zombies. Hurrah!

Spiral Tribe Represent.

They were a sound system in England in the late 80s. Some of their banners were just big number 23s on huge sheets. 😀 For my part I have been to huge raves in France and across Europe where thousands of people, THOUSANDS, were wearing T-Shirts with the Number on, going crazy to techno in front of trucks spray painted with it.

The actress Asia Argento in the zombie (seeing a pattern with me?) movie Land of the Dead has 23 tattooed on the back of her neck.

Also Genesis P Orridge and Psykik Youth, as well as the KLF made heavy use of its symbolism.

23!


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23 is the central number in Discordianism, the original Kaos Kurrent. It is all over Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger.

Also was considered a magickal number by William S. Burroughs, and via him it seeped into the mythology of the Temple of Psychic Youth via Genesis P'Orridge.

Also I believe there was an early '80s magick-inspired band called 23 Skidoo.

nick


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Papanick: Beatcha 😉


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Only because I use dialup. 🙁


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My heart bleeds.


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Well, this has been on every other message board I visit today, so why not this one...
http://imdb.com/title/tt0481369/

Beaten about a decade ago by a German film about the number 23: www.imdb.com/title/tt0126765/

The band 23Skidoo is of course related to Current 93 and Coil .The main member ,Fritz Haaman was one of the people who played on the first C93 record, called ...................LAShTAL !
Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun......


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BlueKephra, Informutation and Papanick

...must be a Zeitgeist! very strange...I was completely unaware of this 😯 Thanks for the plugin for the movie 😯 ... Something to look forward to watching in the New year 2007!

Best Wishes

Charles

23 😆


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Informutation-!

Yes-! I love the Western Lands-and it's take on the mummification rites was wonderful, esp. as my experience with such at the time was pretty much the new-agey prance about pretending we're Egyptians stuff...and here comes Burroughs with jealous foes pouring gasoline on the well-wrapped corpse and causing quite a stir in the Land of the Dead-!

Have you heard the recordings of Burroughs reading this passage-? That croakedy voice drives it home better than the text itself! It's like a stand-up comedy routine in Hell!

And if you read 23 as significant in the work of Grant (Charles!) with its Gate-way implications between the Two 11 Sphered Trees and care to "pick the lock," such humor is well-appreciated!

Not to mention that The Western Lands is an epic climax to an epic adventure which I would argue is the Magnum Opus of the man most known for Naked Lunch. Cynical, disgusting, mind-bending, visionary, poetic, harsh, violent, hysterically funny, mystical with secret agents, aliens, cowboys, Qlipoth, egypt, time travel...I couldn't put it down! And AC even gets a mention-I think in connection with the multi-weaponed kung fu amputee!


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"BlueKephra" wrote:
Fritz Haaman was one of the people who played on the first C93 record, called ...................LAShTAL !

What a great piece of music that was/is...

Owner and Editor
LAShTAL


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Charles-

I got 23 way before I began studying Grant, obviously from Burroughs and RAW, and I did do a tremendous amount of work with it outside of any Typhonian Context-to open one's eyes and become mindful of the 23 Skidoo Phenomena will evoke the question: is this happening because of my focus-or simply because I just never saw it racing through reality before? But you'll SEE it-everywhere...and making a 23 Scrapbook is the way to go. A simple diary collecting 23's whenever they emerge-on TV, in film backgrounds, in daily conversations, on the watch...it's a Rabbitt's Hole. I can't say I regret at all having been down it.


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AC-book of Lies-Chapter 23.


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Kyle

Yes Sir! What a great link, which I never thought of before!. Explains alot...Im reading it now. Chapter 23, The Book Of Lies.....Its all there...
(the journey...the accident...the hierophant...the initiation...the way OUT!)

Thanks Kyle...you are a cool dude 8)

Charles


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Having sloshed about in the Trenches and Winding Whirlpools of the 23, I thought it was amazing that AC hit on this stuff before it rose into the Discordianist Current in relatively modern times, right alongside Burroughs & RAW. In fact, there are passages in AC which I'm sure he would been able to elucidate with great erudition if asked-and yet I wonder if even HE didn't fully grasp the ramifications of some of the ideas he evoked in his writing. He was most definitely a personality through whom many forces came through, even in fractured form...


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

And... maybe part of the glyph of life (23 chromosomes in our DNA)?

Love is the law, love under will

B.


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Plenty of info above and in the links on the number 23 so I have nothing to add really. Just a quick correction...

"magispiegel" wrote:
Crowley lived for 69 years (23 x 3).

Crowley was 72 when he died, not 69.

Actually something just came back to me which I will add (I find it amusing). One thing that often comes up in No.23 conspiracy theories is this...

9 + 11 + 2+0+0+1 = 23

9/11/2001 being the fall of the twin towers of course. Don't ask me why they add the digits of the year but keep 11 as 11 cos I don't know, maybe it's just because it wouldn't add up to 23 if you didn't do it that way 😉


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"kidneyhawk" wrote:
Having sloshed about in the Trenches and Winding Whirlpools of the 23, I thought it was amazing that AC hit on this stuff before it rose into the Discordianist Current in relatively modern times, right alongside Burroughs & RAW. In fact, there are passages in AC which I'm sure he would been able to elucidate with great erudition if asked-and yet I wonder if even HE didn't fully grasp the ramifications of some of the ideas he evoked in his writing. He was most definitely a personality through whom many forces came through, even in fractured form...

I'm fairly sure that the chain of influence goes:

AC ---> RAW ---> WSB

Certainly the stuff about the Book of Thoth at the end of the second part of Illuminatus! suggests a direct Crowley bias/influence.

As for the wicked Old Man (long may his voice haunt my dreams and waking hours) I would say that Burroughs was probably so flattered by RAW's treatment of him and his work that he took up the cause of 'Put 23s Everywhere To F*** With The Rubes' as a gesture of solidarity to the Dischordians. It certainly doesn't start appearing in his work until the late 70s/early 80s, when they began to move in the same circles.

It's a little off topic, but has anybody noticed that Thomas Pynchon covers a lot of the same territory, particularly with regards to synchronicity and pattern recognition? Gravity's Rainbow is the stuffff, quite frankly, a strange and terrible comedy of hate and madness, set in the aftermath of WW2. Read Read Read!

I'm off to read more Joyce and Chew The Brains Of Arab Boys.


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"Informutation" wrote:
I'm fairly sure that the chain of influence goes:

AC ---> RAW ---> WSB

Certainly the stuff about the Book of Thoth at the end of the second part of Illuminatus! suggests a direct Crowley bias/influence.

As for the wicked Old Man (long may his voice haunt my dreams and waking hours) I would say that Burroughs was probably so flattered by RAW's treatment of him and his work that he took up the cause of 'Put 23s Everywhere To F*** With The Rubes' as a gesture of solidarity to the Dischordians. It certainly doesn't start appearing in his work until the late 70s/early 80s, when they began to move in the same circles.

Actually, the 23 theme emerged from Burroughs and Gysins very earliest cut-up experiments, in the form of the story of Captain Clark and Flight 23.This was way before RAW had written a word on the subject.


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Re: Mr. Crowley and 23:

His "V for Victory" sign, which was used by Churchill without proper attribution, later appropriated by the drug-addled hippies as the "Peace Sign", is a mudra of 23: two fingers up, three down.

What, by the way, is the esoteric meaning of this mudra?

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I stand massively corrected. Thanks for clearing that up, BlueKephra and wolf354, it's confused me for a while.

Rob


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This is reply number 23 (if I've been quick enough).Please lock now !

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Well, it's too late for me to add anything of merit to this discusison, as all the points have been dealt with, other than that I'll be making my own contribution to universal Discord tonight via my radio show Channel 23.

10pm till midnight. By the queens wrist!

By the way, my own discordant synchronicity ❓ for this post appears in the font used for the number 23 on the movie poster for the forthcoming film already posted by Bluekephra: http://imdb.com/title/tt0481369/ . If you follow the link to my own site you'll see I use the same font in the number 23 on the banner at the top of screen.


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ps. haha! Reply number 24!


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pps. haha! reply number 25! Oh bollocks, I'm in a self referencing loop of sorts. Better break off now before I start to mistake it for Reality...


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"nashimiron" wrote:
pps. haha! reply number 25! Oh bollocks, I'm in a self referencing loop of sorts. Better break off now before I start to mistake it for Reality...

Too late.


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I hope this post did not start cause of the movie.....


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Is it gauche of me to resurrect this dead thread?

Here's something interesting: If you spell out each of the letters of the hebrew alphabet, and then spell out the letters that you spelled with, and so forth, all the letters disintegrate into Vav and Mem repeating.

(example:
Bet.
Beth-Yod-Tau.
Yod. Yod-Waw-Daleth.
Tau. Tau-Waw
Waw. Waw-Waw. Waw-Waw.....

Daleth. Daleth-Lamed-Tau.
Lamed. Lamed-Mem-Daleth.
Mem. Mem-Mem. Mem-Mem....)

Mem=40 Waw=6
46=23X2
23 pairs of DNA.
Waw=Nail (wand..)
Mem=Water (grail...)


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"magispiegel" wrote:
How does the Number 23 appear in your magickal experience?

Best Wishes

Charles

THAT is a fabulous story Charles. Thanks for sharing. My 23rd birthday was not so spectacular but is also the most significant one I have had so far. 93 cheers!

Force and Fire is not metaphorical. In Prophetes Veritas Venit.


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I, clearly, love resurrecting dead threads. I'm not concerned with being gauche (or dexterous) yet am concerned with outright rudeness. If this is in bad inner-net form then please confront and forgive me...I don't use this medium a whole lot.

My question is this: does anyone have any idea what Crowley is intending in Chapter 23 of Book of Lies, the chapter entitled Skidoo?

Now it likely is even worse form to ask what Crowley means by anything, or at least dangerous form, but frankly I feel I have some insight into his character and yet this one utterly eludes me. I've read Illuminatus and the Burroughs writings on the subject yet still some thoughts, from you, dear reader, would be welcome.

93, 63, 33, 23, 13 & 3

Sunny


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Vigintitresology: The Web of 23 : Crowley and such : http://www.simoniff.com/203/vigintitresology.html


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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law,

23: Hail Eris!

...and Current 23!

love is the law, love under will.


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"Sunny" wrote:
My question is this: does anyone have any idea what Crowley is intending in Chapter 23 of Book of Lies, the chapter entitled Skidoo?

Dear Sunny,

He is telling the aspirant to GET OUT!

Ecstatically,

Zardoz


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Chapter 23 deals with, quite obviously, getting "out," as the number corresponds to the phrase 23 skidoo (an American phrase popular in the 1920s which meant, essentially, to leave, or "to get out when the gettin's good"). But "out" of what, exactly?

In Crowley's commentary, he notes that this is a description of the Great Work as a leaving of the life of comfort, of the world in general, and finally a leaving of the other initiates. That is to say, the Great Work involves abandoning ideals that people find comfortable, and this ultimately includes abandoning the system of attainment itself.

We could consider "getting out" in the context of getting outside of the apparent self of the mind in order to discover the true will, and ultimately even getting outside of the concept of duality itself (and thus perceive that 0=2).

The chapter's analysis of the word OUT confirms this by breaking the word down into zero (or infinity), "you," and the phallus (the concept of the self expanding "out" into the universe, outside of one's normal consciousness, as in the Qabalistic Cross).

There's also the obvious sexual symbolism of O and T, mediated by "you." And "UT" at the center is another term for the HGA, the true self. It's thus a glyph of the Great Work and sex magick (see also IAO, with which Crowley identifies OUT). There are, I'm sure, things I've missed in this brief post, and I'd be glad to have others fill in the details.

[While we're on the subject, the wikipedia entry for "23 Skidoo" -- perhaps not the most scholarly resource in the world, but still -- lists as a possible origin of the term the breaking up of groups of young men gawking at women's skirts being blown up around the Flatiron Building (23rd street, NYC). If the term has such a sexualized origin, it may be an additional reason that Crowley chose to use it (in addition to its popularity).]

Incidentally, it's worth noting that observing numbers operating in your life is a kind of confirmation bias. If you're intentionally looking for a number -- any number -- you will definitely find it popping up all over the place. Certain numbers aren't "special" just because you happen to see them everywhere; they are not super-special communications from discarnate intelligences or anything like that. Any "messages" you get from them are from you own mind latching onto a certain number and interpreting it.


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"Sunny" wrote:
My question is this: does anyone have any idea what Crowley is intending in Chapter 23 of Book of Lies, the chapter entitled Skidoo? ...

Now it likely is even worse form to ask what Crowley means by anything, or at least dangerous form, but frankly I feel I have some insight into his character and yet this one utterly eludes me.

Have you read his commentary on that chapter? He's very clear about his intended meaning. In short, the title of the chapter refers to "get[ting] out", the content of the chapter lays out the what the magician is specifically leaving when pursuing the Great Work. "He first leaves the life of comfort; then the world at large; and, lastly, even the initiates. In the fourth section is shown that there is no return for one that has started on this path." After that is his more esoteric analysis of the word "out".

Can you be more specific about what is eluding you?

"Sunny" wrote:
I've read Illuminatus and the Burroughs writings on the subject yet still some thoughts, from you, dear reader, would be welcome.

You're talking about two (or three) different subjects here. There's Crowley's use of the number 23, which he explains is due to its common use at the time he wrote the Book of Lies ("Both "23" and "Skidoo" are American words meaning "Get out".") Then there's Burroughs' and RA Wilson's uses of the number 23, which are more similar to each other than to Crowley's, but still arguably have their own unique intended meanings.

Just because each of these three authors/magicians assign special meaning to the number 23 doesn't mean that they all conform to each other or correspond with each other. Context is important.


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