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"wolf354" wrote:
Wouldn't a Thoth Deck forum be nice in Lashtal?

Wish it so, and it shall be done!

"wolf354" wrote:
When you start to read the Tarot you need to find the meaning that the card may have for the querent (it can be yourself), it's place on the spread you are using, dignities, etc ... not to memorise a meaningless Tarot cookbook (and there are plenty of worthless books in this category).

A long time ago (in the 60s), I found that if one simply does that (notes its place in the spread, tunes into the querent, etc), and then gazes at the card, the imagery of the card will subtly shift and give the meaning, or the "divination," for the querent (or one's self - but beware, for one is filtering the imagery through one's own consciousness, and might be misinterpreted - it depends on how good one is at setting one's persona aside when reading).

For example, Mr. A cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. Upon gazing at the card, I see the King standing firm and sheathing his sword. I receive an impression ("psychic ability" required here) and tell him, "Your present endeavor will be successfully completed and you will be free to move on to other things."

The next day, Ms. B cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. Upon gazing at the card, I see the King moving forward with a golden "halo" around his head and he extends his sword, which is radiating a white light. I receive an impression ("psychic ability" still required) and tell her, "Your boss will recognize your superior abilities and will promote you, or at least give you a raise in salary."

The point is, the image of the card is subject to subtle (inner visual) change according to the nature of the question and the vibration of the querent. If you misplace your deck of Thoth cards, a common deck of playing cards can even be used - but in this case, you're only seeing diamonds and clubs, and there's not much in the way of pre-printed imagery to work with.

We are told to memorize QBL correspondes, but that doesn't apply to "fixed interpretations" of divinatory apparatus.

I believe it was Karl Jung who said that Symbol cookbooks and fixed interpretations are worthless.

For example, Mr. C cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. I then pick up my cookbook and read the interpretation to the querent, effectively telling him, "You will not succeed in your quest because the Black Lodge will block your efforts." (Well, that's what was written in the cookbook, so who am I to doubt it). "That'll be $20 for the reading, thank you."


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Greetings

"Shiva" wrote:
A long time ago (in the 60s), I found that if one simply does that (notes its place in the spread, tunes into the querent, etc), and then gazes at the card, the imagery of the card will subtly shift and give the meaning, or the "divination," for the querent...

Indeed, I have noticed that too, Shiva!

Regards
Hecate


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Hmmm; I think I am getting better readings with the Visconti-Sforza deck. I think it is possible that Aleister and Frieda added some adscititious complications.

The Crowley-Thoth Deck is, in any event, a brilliant work of art. Unrepeatable, in fact; you won't get those two thinkers together again!


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"Shiva" wrote:
For example, Mr. C cuts the deck and ... "That'll be $20 for the reading, thank you."

lol, I never charge anything for my readings ... in the hope that I will become so good that people will want to pay me someday (looking at my deck the answer to thiss sentence was Sorrow).

Well, Mr. C was a hypothetical example of a reading done by a "cookbook" reader who has learned to read and speak aloud. He/she will of course think his/her time is valuable and he/she imagines his/her self to be a "professional."

The Mr A & Ms B examples were free! I don't change anything for my readings either; but then, I rarely do any Tarot readings any more; I use the "aura-reading protocol," which also is free.

Back in 1980, when I was "The Seer of Ensenada" (Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico), I charged $10 per reading/consultation. Since I had to drive to Ensenada from Los Angeles, about once a month, and only had a maximum of two readings per visit, that usually didn't even cover the gas (petrol) expenses.

Does "Sorrow" indicate a sad state of affairs because you're not charging? By the way, if you look closely at the "Sorrow" card, you will see a clown image in the petals, with the 3 sword tips meeting inside his mouth. This is an archetypal image of the "cosmic joke," and only goes to show that "it's all a game!"

"wolf354" wrote:
My current exercise is imagining the cards talking about each other... I must realize that all the answers came from myself...

If you realize this, then you're not illusionifying yourself.

Keep up the Great Work.

93, Sh.'.


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"Alan_OBrien" wrote:
Hmmm; I think I am getting better readings with the Visconti-Sforza deck.

I know what you mean. I actually get better readings with the Inner Child Cards, which are based on fairy tales.

But the supreme, one card readings come (to me) via the The Mayan Oracle.

"Alan_OBrien" wrote:
The Crowley-Thoth Deck is, in any event, a brilliant work of art. Unrepeatable, in fact; you won't get those two thinkers together again!

Maybe in their (our) next incarnation?


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"Shiva" wrote:
Does "Sorrow" indicate a sad state of affairs because you're not charging? By the way, if you look closely at the "Sorrow" card, you will see a clown image in the petals, with the 3 sword tips meeting inside his mouth.

😳

I've picked up a few subliminals in the deck, but I see no clown there at all.
Any help?

On the subject of subliminals, apart from the obvious sexual objects, has anyone ever done any real work locating and describing these.
I've read 3 books on Thoth including LMD's and found lots of repetition and a lot of (seemingly) obvious imagery getting missed.


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Did anything ever come of creating a forum specifically for Tarot/Thoth Deck?

"Shiva" wrote:
"wolf354" wrote:
Wouldn't a Thoth Deck forum be nice in Lashtal?

Wish it so, and it shall be done!

"wolf354" wrote:
When you start to read the Tarot you need to find the meaning that the card may have for the querent (it can be yourself), it's place on the spread you are using, dignities, etc ... not to memorise a meaningless Tarot cookbook (and there are plenty of worthless books in this category).

A long time ago (in the 60s), I found that if one simply does that (notes its place in the spread, tunes into the querent, etc), and then gazes at the card, the imagery of the card will subtly shift and give the meaning, or the "divination," for the querent (or one's self - but beware, for one is filtering the imagery through one's own consciousness, and might be misinterpreted - it depends on how good one is at setting one's persona aside when reading).

For example, Mr. A cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. Upon gazing at the card, I see the King standing firm and sheathing his sword. I receive an impression ("psychic ability" required here) and tell him, "Your present endeavor will be successfully completed and you will be free to move on to other things."

The next day, Ms. B cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. Upon gazing at the card, I see the King moving forward with a golden "halo" around his head and he extends his sword, which is radiating a white light. I receive an impression ("psychic ability" still required) and tell her, "Your boss will recognize your superior abilities and will promote you, or at least give you a raise in salary."

The point is, the image of the card is subject to subtle (inner visual) change according to the nature of the question and the vibration of the querent. If you misplace your deck of Thoth cards, a common deck of playing cards can even be used - but in this case, you're only seeing diamonds and clubs, and there's not much in the way of pre-printed imagery to work with.

We are told to memorize QBL correspondes, but that doesn't apply to "fixed interpretations" of divinatory apparatus.

I believe it was Karl Jung who said that Symbol cookbooks and fixed interpretations are worthless.

For example, Mr. C cuts the deck and the resulting spread allows the King of Swords to appear as the final, "result" card. I then pick up my cookbook and read the interpretation to the querent, effectively telling him, "You will not succeed in your quest because the Black Lodge will block your efforts." (Well, that's what was written in the cookbook, so who am I to doubt it). "That'll be $20 for the reading, thank you."


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"poet" wrote:
... a clown image in the petals, with the 3 sword tips meeting inside his mouth. ... I see no clown there at all. Any help?

Sure. Try this:

Pretty neat, eh?
The universal joke(r) lies at the heart of sorrow.


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From The Book of Lies (falsely so-called):

"The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General at the Expense of the Particular, quoth FRATER PERDURABO, and laughed.

............

But those disciples nearest to him wept, seeing the Universal Sorrow.
Those next to them laughed, seeing the Universal Joke.
Below these certain disciples wept.
Then certain laughed.
Others next wept.
Others next laughed.
Next others wept.
Next others laughed.
Last came those that wept because they could not see the Joke, and those that laughed lest they should be thought not to see the Joke, and thought
it safe to act like FRATER PERDURABO.
But though FRATER PERDURABO laughed openly, He also at the same time wept secretly; and in Himself He neither laughed nor wept.
Nor did He mean what He said."

Please put that in your Zen and light it !


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I got this deck not so long ago, and I am working with it now. It is very rich deck full of great symbols and is for me as one of the most important keys in the Great Work.


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I'm interested in talking to someone who uses the actual Crowley spread. I got to the part where you draw the next four cards because the Signifier is a court card. Do you only use those four cards to "tell the story" or is there a point in the Second Operation where you use more cards? I wasn't sure.


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"Ego_Sum_Veritas" wrote:
I'm interested in talking to someone who uses the actual Crowley spread. I got to the part where you draw the next four cards because the Signifier is a court card. Do you only use those four cards to "tell the story" or is there a point in the Second Operation where you use more cards? I wasn't sure.

It's not really Crowley's spread, it's a version of a Golden Dawn teaching. But a good way to get used to it is from Paul Hughes Barlow's stuff. His book 'Tarot and the Magus' focuses on this spread and his own variations on using it as a method for evoking Crowley's Mercurial Genii. He has a lot of video's on youtube that focus on the method of reading the cards. Though he says some some glaringly wrong stuff on the history of the GD/Crowley/etc and has some apparent personal issues with them to be aware of.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulHughesBarlow


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