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In this image of the Tree of Life. Most of the correlations to the Major arcana of the Tarot line up, except for a couple. For instance, path 15 shows "The Star" as the Tarot correlation.

It was my understanding that The Star was the 17th card in the major arcana, when in fact it should be related to path 28? I ask this because most of the arcana line up with this image. Could someone just verify if it is this image that is erroneous or my understanding of the Tarot not what it should be.

(0-21 of the major arcana "should" line up with numbers 11-32 of the paths on the Tree of Life.) Just trying to get this straight.

Very much appreciated!


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Based on his interpretation of verse I:57 of the Book of the Law, Aleister Crowley switched the positions of the Star and the Emperor on the Tree of Life; details about the switch are documented in the Book of Thoth.


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93 Thelemic Mage.

The Star is indeed the 17th Trump as you say, but it was moved by Crowley from the 28th path, Tzaddi, to the 15th path, Heh, because of verse I:57, as herupakraath mentions. The Emperor is now path 28, Tzaddi. As well as this, the corresponding astrological signs are also switched.

Thus your Tree is quite correct - according to Crowley - except for the placements of Aries and Aquarius.

As wolf354 says, the Book of Thoth can be confusing on this point, but it is well worth reading all the same. I'd also strongly recommend Chapter 5 of Gunther's 'Initiation in the Aeon of the Child'.


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So question 1: Aries and Aquarius are supposed to be switched from what is in the image, According to Crowley?

Question 2: If I buy the Crowley Tarot deck (anyone willing to sell an old deck?), will it have the Trumps moved according to our dear sir Crowley, as he moved them by the book of Thoth?

Question 3: Do you think this move of the signs, and the Aries and Aquarius signs has anything to do with the following paragraph:

A couple years ago or so, it was noticed by certain Astronomers and Astrologists that the Sun signs weren't exactly where they are today as where they were when they were studied and documented
back in their beginnings. In other words, the signs aren't exactly what they are supposed to be, reference:(google new sun signs).

Question 4: Do you think this has to do with Crowley only being in the womb of his mother spiritually for like 5 months, instead of the usual 9 months minus the 7 weeks, (49 days) it usually takes for a soul to find
a new human body. References: (Book of the Dead; also Ancient Catholicism belief that a fetus takes 49 days to get a soul after conception.) Very far out I must say.

Thank you very much for your time, attention, and assistance.

Frank


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"ThelemicMage" wrote:
So question 1: Aries and Aquarius are supposed to be switched from what is in the image, According to Crowley?

No, the image you posted has been corrected to reflect the changes implemented by Crowley.

Question 2: If I buy the Crowley Tarot deck (anyone willing to sell an old deck?), will it have the Trumps moved according to our dear sir Crowley, as he moved them by the book of Thoth?

Note that I was referring to the companion book that goes with the deck, which contains diagrams and an explanation of the change. You should be able to find a copy of the book easily. Some of the statements made by Crowley in the Book of Thoth are confusing; he clearly intended the change, yet in describing some of the cards he ignores the change. There was also, and may still be issues with some of tables of correspondences in the Book of Thoth.

Question 3: Do you think this move of the signs, and the Aries and Aquarius signs has anything to do with the following paragraph:

The change is based on the layout of the signs of the zodiac on a mobius strip, an elliptical figure that has a double loop in it; so the answser to your question is no, as is the answer to your last question.

Next time, could you post a bigger picture? 😉


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1. The positions of Aries and Aquarius on the image do need to be switched.
(I suspect herupakraath said otherwise on the previous post because the Trumps have been switched, which makes it easy to miss that the corresponding zodiac signs have not.)
Aries is still attributed to the Emperor, but should be, like the Emperor, on the path of Tzaddi. Aquarius is still attributed to the Star, but should be, like the Star, on the path of Heh.
Here is a picture with the correct 'Thelemic' attributions: http://obsidian-blade.deviantart.com/art/Thelemic-Tree-of-Life-3-0-68979034

2. Crowley's Tarot does have Tzaddi on the Emperor card and Heh on the Star card, as per the new attributions.
The Emperor is still numbered IV and the Star is still numbered XVII.
Note though that Adjustment (Justice) is numbered VIII and Lust (Strength) is numbered XI in the Thoth cards - another 'switch' from the order the Trumps appear in the key scale. Thus the moebius strip herupakraath refers to: Crowley includes a diagram of one in the Book of Thoth to show that the switch of Aries and Aquarius at one end of the zodiac is balanced by the switch of Leo and Libra at the other. What Crowley is really driving at by all this has always been beyond me however...

3. The switch of Aries and Aquarius is simply due to AL I:57, which Crowley believed was an instruction to change the Star to Heh and the Emperor to Tzaddi; because the Trumps are switched to different paths on the Tree, the corresponding zodiac signs must be also.
The new attributions are due to a change in Aeon, rather than the precession of the equinoxes alluded to in your quote. Now while a good argument can be made to say that the changes in Aeons correspond to the precession of the equinoxes - and Crowley supported this view - it is highly contentious. Again, Gunther treats this subject very well in his book.

4. I greatly doubt it.


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"Nomad" wrote:
1. The positions of Aries and Aquarius on the image do need to be switched.
(I suspect herupakraath said otherwise on the previous post because the Trumps have been switched, which makes it easy to miss that the corresponding zodiac signs have not.)

If you take a closer look at the diagram, you'll see the signs have been switched as specified in the tables included in the Book of Thoth.

For the record, I consider the switch meaningless in light of two other verses of the Book of the Law; the first includes another baffling tarot mystery, the challenge to unite the cards the Empress and the Hierophant and make them equal eleven, an impossibility when traditional Hebrew letter/value attributions are utilized, which implies new values and letters should be attributed to the cards. The concept of assigning new letters and values to the tarot trumps should not seem outlandish at all in light of verse II:55, which instructs the creation of an English-based magical alphabet.

It is no coincidence that Tzaddi is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet that transliterates into English as a compound phoneme, making it impossible to use transliterated Hebrew letters as an English gematria system and have a single letter represent each tarot trump; the combined evidence suggests the statement in verse I:57 about the Star is meant to emphasize that transliterated Hebrew phonemes are not to be the basis for the English magical alphabet alluded to in verse II:55.

And that, as the saying goes, is just a glimpse into the future.......


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"Tzaddi is not the Star" is one of Thelema's most famous Koans.

[A Koan] consists of a story, dialogue, question, or statement, the meaning of which cannot be understood by rational thinking but may be accessible through intuition.
- Wikipedia

The Tzaddi Koan is much more complex than the simple mind-benders of Daruma and the Zen boys. Its meaning may not even be accessible through intuition.

It starts off simply enough - just switch the Hebrew letters assigned to a celestial body and a mundane ruler.

Oh, then you may (or may not) want to switch the positions of the corresponding Paths on the Tree of Life. This is done through logic or reason at work; for the Paths were not mentioned in the source Koan.

Then there's the astrological assignations, followed by all the other correspondences in 777 and similar tomes.

Trying to make sense out of all of this, the inquirer often turns to the pictures, tables and text of the most advanced written explanation of this mystery (The Book of Thoth) where the Master Therion proceeds to say one thing but then does not back up his written logic with correspondingly simple changes in all of the tables and the pics that support his original interpretation. This is known as "inconsistency." This has all been explained by various posters (both above in this thread - and in multiple other threads previously posted on lashtal and to be posted in the future here and in similar forums everywhere.

The inquirer is then left with only one conclusion, typified by the letters "WTF?"

Now W=6, T=9, and F=6, for a total of 21. Sepher Sephiroth tells us that 21 (among other things) means "Ah! - Alas!" which is where anyone will end up when they try to pin this riddle to the message board in the marketplace.


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93 herupakraath.

I'll have to agree-to-disagree with you re the positions of Aries and Aquarius on the diagram. I've never seen Aries attributed to the Star anywhere, nor have I ever seen Aquarius attributed to the Emperor, not even in the inconsistent attributions in the Book of Thoth.

In regard the other mystery you mention however, of the Empress and the Hierophant being 11, one approach to the riddle would be to consider "the Empress" as Nuit, rather then the Empress trump itself. In that case we have Nuit = the Star = Heh = 5, which added to the Hierophant (= Vau = 6) makes 11.

Of course there may well be different/better solutions once the true English qabalah comes to light.


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"Nomad" wrote:
93 herupakraath.

I'll have to agree-to-disagree with you re the positions of Aries and Aquarius on the diagram. I've never seen Aries attributed to the Star anywhere, nor have I ever seen Aquarius attributed to the Emperor, not even in the inconsistent attributions in the Book of Thoth.

Page 278 of the 1988 U.S. Games printing of TBOT; the table shows the Emperor, Tzaddi, Aquarius in one row of correspondences, The Star, He, and Aries in another row.

In regard the other mystery you mention however, of the Empress and the Hierophant being 11, one approach to the riddle would be to consider "the Empress" as Nuit, rather then the Empress trump itself. In that case we have Nuit = the Star = Heh = 5, which added to the Hierophant (= Vau = 6) makes 11.

If the author of the verse had used the Star instead of the Empress, all of the pieces would fall into place, both Tarot riddles would be solved, and Crowley's theory about the mobius strip and the letter swap proven true; instead it's just wishful thinking, and a red flag that the relationship between traditional Qabala and the Book of the Law hoped for is not what many believe it to be.


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I am much inclined to go along with Shiva on this one !

Or, possibly, with Frater Achad: "Tzaddi is not the Star".

Like the nice (BIG) Tree of Life diagram; good to see the Negative Veils of Existence in the correct sequence.


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herupakraath wrote:

Page 278 of the 1988 U.S. Games printing of TBOT; the table shows the Emperor, Tzaddi, Aquarius in one row of correspondences ...

Thanks for the reference herupakraath. I haven't got my copy at hand to check if it has the same, though I'd be interested to find out...

I'll just add that I wasn't looking to kick-off any great discussion around the whole 'Tzaddi is not the star' chestnut. (It's certainly a mystery beyond my grade.) I was merely trying to help out Thelemic Mage with his query; and I think it is fair to say that if he is looking for 'the generally accepted Thelemic attributions' (for want of a better phrase) then the suggestions I made, and the link I posted, would be the ones he seeks.

I am very, very far from expert on this matter, so I wouldn't say for a moment that these attributions are the 'right' ones, or the only ones, or anything like that. (Like all the mysteries of AL, it's a many-layered onion... And I am of the belief, as Shiva seems to be, that this mystery may even transcend Neshama. (Being revealed to 'the wise', perhaps it is only to be understood in Chokmah?)) But, like many, I think the attributions Crowley settled on are well worth deep consideration/meditation. Other attributions may have their place, for certain people in certain times, but these ones are - how to put it - valuable... (? ... They are, at least, very helpful in understanding some key aspects to the Aeonic 'shift'...) And, as I said before, Gunther's treatment of the subject, using said attributions, is especially enlightening; I could not recommend it highly enough.


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I'm in perfect agreement with Shiva.

But what if Crowley misheard (again) and Tzaddi is Nut The Star?

How many alterations and "corrections" did Crowley make to the original Liber L? Hulse's "Genesis of the Book of the Law Vol. II " lists dozens... I wish J.D. Holmes would put those back in print...


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