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Was the Apollo 11 Moon Landing an act of Magick? or Magic?


elitemachinery
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Jack Parsons is credited with pioneering the development of rockets that would eventually put a man on the moon. His connection to and communication with Aleister Crowley is well documented.

I've been watching the Strange Angel TV series and part of the reason Jack Parsons is being portrayed at all is that he is credited with being the original visionary behind this great achievement.

I'm all for visionary people of the world taking on impossible new projects, inventions, and achievements, but I personally find it hard to believe that the USA sent a man to the moon in this jumbled mess of tin foil, cardboard, and coat hangers:

In 1969 we didn't have the INTERNET or HD televisions and everyone was pretty "spaced out" in various ways. TV's were fuzzy contraptions at best.

Is it possible that the Moon Landings were not an act of Magick (A manifestation of TRUE WILL) but rather an act of Magic?

Define Magic: (dictionary.com/browse/magic)

1. the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.

Close up view Apollo Moon module:

What do LAShTAL members think?


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I always though the moon landing was faked.. not a tin foil hat thing but the reasons you outlined above.

Also the van allen belt no way they would be fried sitting in a tin can... they have come up with every excuse to have been able to get through the belt ... now but it doesn't wash.. when I first read about it many years ago the information is different to what information is today.

*point i have a picture here from an old astronomy book with a total eclipse in the book the image said the november 21 1966 eclipse.. well since that book and I still have the picture its now the 12 november 1966 eclipse...

they lie they all lie..

omg is that the so called spacecraft .. my mother's patchwork quilts are stronger


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elitemachinery
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My intention wasn't to start a thread about conspiracy theories but rather to do a quick survey on what LAShTAL members thought about putting a man on the moon.

Do you believe we put a man on the moon? (yay or nay)

The reason I think this is relevant is that this being the website of the Aleister Crowley Society we should all be aware that AC and Thelema/Sex Magick is now being very directly credited on a major media network (CBS Strange Angel series) with being an influence on the people and events that caused this to happen (or not.)

Now we can all take a bow that our boy AC did it again as he has been given credit for influencing a lot of people and things over the years. Add this to the legend. But seeing that LAShTAL members ALWAYS stick to the facts I thought a survey was in order.

So I will ask again:

Do you believe we put a man on the moon? (yay or nay)

Do you believe AC deserves any credit for this? (yay or nay)

I was only four years old when these events took place. Many of you were in your teens or twenties and probably have good memories.

I've already stated my belief. Here is a nice video courtesy of AT&T's youtube channel. It's President Nixon speaking LIVE to the astronauts on the moon from his landline phone in the oval office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGKIh3koAI

Compelling evidence? For or against?


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ignant666
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Yes, and no.


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belmurru
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Yes, of course.

No, not a bit.


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Y/N


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@elitemachinery

I’m all for visionary people of the world taking on impossible new projects, inventions, and achievements, but I personally find it hard to believe that the USA sent a man to the moon in this jumbled mess of tin foil, cardboard, and coat hangers:

They didn't.

Most of the work was done by this;

 photo rocketzzz.jpg]

which is a far more impressive gargantuan structure as you can see.

I suggest you watch a documentary on Gravity and how it was discovered etc. Follow that up with a documentary on the history of rockets. The whole point, simply put, was to make a gigantic version of a firework. It is set against the earth and the combustive force generated creates such a lift that the rocket leaves the earth's gravitational field. Once anything passes that zone then it will easily float towards the next big massive heavenly body whose powerful gravitational field will gently pull it towards it if it is guided there (thrusted) by the astronauts.

Yeah I never understood the folk who had nothing better to do than talk crap about how it was a conspiracy. It's down there with the "Elvis still lives" nonsense.

https://www.wikihow.com/Go-to-the-Moon

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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no I dont think man has been to the moon possibly and act of magick def an act of magic


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Yes, I think the moon landing happened. I remember watching the event live on television in the early hours of the morning, and across the years have watched, listened to and read interviews with various of the astronauts, and have never had the suspicion that the event was faked.

No, Crowley doesn't deserve any credit
. Yes, he he studied Crowley's work, and was enthused by Thelema, but I can't see that Crowley inspired his work on jet propulsion.


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Jamie J Barter
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@elitemachinery :

So I will ask again:
Do you believe we put a man on the moon? (yay or nay)

N-Yay; I have had the occasional passing suspicion, at least: but having read the arguments & quite fascinating evidence from both sides I am inclined to think it did happen; apart from anything the else the effort required in continuing to sustain the illusion would be staggering. (A propos this, we also have the conspiracy theory going the other way: that the lunar surface is chocker full with secret para-military bases (a la Alternative 3) which have been there since the 70's).

Do you believe AC deserves any credit for this? (yay or nay)
No way should AC have any credit for this --- although his interests were those of a renaissance man (and he did construct & successfully launch [albeit into his face] a home-made firework rocket as a 16 year old), rocketry was not his forte... Although having said all that, wasn't Jack Parsons supposed to sing AC's inspirational Hymn to Pan with fervent gusto at every rocket launch?

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elitemachinery
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Ok guys thanks for your answers.

My answers would be:

Do you believe we put a man on the moon? (yay or nay)

No. I seriously doubt we put a man on the moon. If we did then that is great. But I seriously doubt it. I don't remember the 1969 mission but I do remember seeing a later launch on TV around 1971.

Do you believe AC deserves any credit for this? (yay or nay)

Yes. I believe AC deserves some credit IF we put a man on the moon. I also think he deserves some credit for the achievements of Jack Parsons as he was his teacher and the pioneer of the religion of Thelema. Not a LOT of credit but some credit. Regardless of whether we did in fact put a man on the moon in the 60's, Jack Parsons was the impetus behind some great achievements and innovations in space exploration and rocketry, and he was a a student of Aleister Crowley and he was a Thelemite!

I have a history of ruining a good story. My dad used to get furious at me when he was telling a humorously embellished tall tale to a group of friends and I would ruin it by introducing a more factual version of events. So I will just broach this subject briefly and then if this does indeed get added to the popular legend of Aleister Crowley (as it looks like this is where things are heading) then I will happily concede and use this achievement to defend Aleister against his many slanderers and detractors.

By the way, ACs name is still mentioned daily on twitter and in mainstream news articles whenever Satanism, Government pizzagate type conspiracies, ritual human sacrifice, or crazed serial killers worshipping Baphomet are in the news. So if another legend about AC (a positive one at that!) gets added to the mix whether true or not then So Mote It Be!

There will be no gotcha moment. I don't think the official story can be dis-proven. But I do think a healthful amount of skepticism and reasonable doubt is not out of order. Please leave Big Foot, Elvis sightings, and the Loch Ness monster out of it. I have no conspiracy theory. I just doubt it really happened.

this brochure looks quite impressive:

link: space.com/images/i/000/021/216/original/apollo-11-armstrong-aldrin-collins-first-lunar-landing-120831a.jpg

But when I look closer at the actual photos from the mission on the NASA website I see what looks like a mock spaceship made of supplies from an art supply store.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5919HR.jpg

Black paper, shiny gold plastic foil, cheap curtain rods, grey cardboard, visible screws, and lots of tin foil and duct tape.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5924HR.jpg

...and lots and lots of visible scotch tape. Yes, scotch tape is visible in these photographs!

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5915HR.jpg

Now considering I worked on Star Trek: Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine about 15 times total in the mid 1990's and have seen a lot of space-age movie props:

ref link: imdb.com/title/tt0708686/reference

ref link: imdb.com/title/tt0708625/reference

ref link: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Tierney

..i'd say this spacecraft looks much worse. The flashy gold foil looks to serve no other purpose than to look space age like and reflect light in a cool way. Visible scotch tape, grey cardboard, black art paper, lots of tin foil. In fact it looks like something made for a 1960s science fiction movie, not something durable that could travel at speeds of 25,000 miles per hour for a few hundred thousand miles (and back!) not even durable enough to fall a measly 10 feet to the lunar surface without coming apart at the seams.

In fact this moon module looks so ridiculous i'd dare say it would most likely fall apart if i tried to carefully move it six feet in any direction. This module was in my eyes clearly made to sit in place and be photographed and not move ANYWHERE.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5922.jpg

Click the photos and zoom in if you wish. These are all official NASA photos from the Apollo 11 mission. I see lots of scotch tape.

from Space.com

link:

"To escape from Earth, the astronauts needed the three-stage Saturn V rocket to boost their spacecraft to a velocity of more than 25,000 miles per hour. The lunar lander was tucked safely into the top of the third stage, and the astronauts rode in the Apollo command module atop the stack.

The fragile-looking lunar module was just tough enough to keep two astronauts alive and carry them to the surface of the moon. The top half of the vehicle had its own rocket engine, which was fired to lift the astronauts back into lunar orbit to rejoin the command module.

On final descent, Armstrong noted that the automatic landing system was guiding Eagle toward the boulder-strewn floor of a crater the size of a football field (”West Crater,” not shown below). Armstrong took manual control and skimmed over the crater, landing in a flat plain beyond. Eagle had only about 30 seconds’ worth of fuel left at touchdown.

Now consider that President Nixon talking to the astronauts on the moon over 200,000 miles away on live television. He confidently says "see you Thursday" as if the boys were taking a leisurely drive over from Virginia, when in fact they were about to begin what could be considered the most difficult and dangerous part of the trip. Never mind the impossibly of such a phone call or radio transmission being possible from the moon in 1969.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGKIh3koAI

And if the phone call is faked on live tv then where were the astronauts while this call was made? Was it prerecorded? If so this would open another can of worms. If this call was faked then what else was faked?

For the record I believe AC's reception story.

I believe @shiva stories about UFO activity he and his friends witnessed in the 1960's.

I believe in Magick and have witnessed magick several times.

But this to me looks more like movie magic; make believe. Something that I have also witnessed many times first hand.

No conspiracy theory. I just don't believe we put a man on the moon in 1969.


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elitemachinery
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[Note to EDITOR: Please ignore post that went to moderation. There were too many links. I have now divided the post into two parts.]

part 1:

Ok guys thanks for your answers.

My answers would be:

Do you believe we put a man on the moon? (yay or nay)

No. I seriously doubt we put a man on the moon. If we did then that is great. But I seriously doubt it. I don't remember the 1969 mission but I do remember seeing a later launch on TV around 1971.

Do you believe AC deserves any credit for this? (yay or nay)

Yes. I believe AC deserves some credit IF we put a man on the moon. I also think he deserves some credit for the achievements of Jack Parsons as he was his teacher and the pioneer of the religion of Thelema. Not a LOT of credit but some credit. Regardless of whether we did in fact put a man on the moon in the 60's, Jack Parsons was the impetus behind some great achievements and innovations in space exploration and rocketry, and he was a a student of Aleister Crowley and he was a Thelemite!

I have a history of ruining a good story. My dad used to get furious at me when he was telling a humorously embellished tall tale to a group of friends and I would ruin it by introducing a more factual version of events. So I will just broach this subject briefly and then if this does indeed get added to the popular legend of Aleister Crowley (as it looks like this is where things are heading) then I will happily concede and use this achievement to defend Aleister against his many slanderers and detractors.

By the way, ACs name is still mentioned daily on twitter and in mainstream news articles whenever Satanism, Government pizzagate type conspiracies, ritual human sacrifice, or crazed serial killers worshipping Baphomet are in the news. So if another legend about AC (a positive one at that!) gets added to the mix whether true or not then So Mote It Be!

There will be no gotcha moment. I don't think the official story can be dis-proven. But I do think a healthful amount of skepticism and reasonable doubt is not out of order. Please leave Big Foot, Elvis sightings, and the Loch Ness monster out of it. I have no conspiracy theory. I just doubt it really happened.

this brochure looks quite impressive:

link: space.com/images/i/000/021/216/original/apollo-11-armstrong-aldrin-collins-first-lunar-landing-120831a.jpg

But when I look closer at the actual photos from the mission on the NASA website I see what looks like a mock spaceship made of supplies from an art supply store.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5919HR.jpg

Black paper, shiny gold plastic foil, cheap curtain rods, grey cardboard, visible screws, and lots of tin foil and duct tape.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5924HR.jpg

...and lots and lots of visible scotch tape. Yes, scotch tape is visible in these photographs!

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5915HR.jpg


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elitemachinery
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part 2:

Now considering I worked on Star Trek: Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine about 15 times total in the mid 1990's and have seen a lot of space-age movie props:

ref link: imdb.com/title/tt0708686/reference

ref link: imdb.com/title/tt0708625/reference

ref link: memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Tierney

..i'd say this spacecraft looks much worse. The flashy gold foil looks to serve no other purpose than to look space age like and reflect light in a cool way. Visible scotch tape, grey cardboard, black art paper, lots of tin foil. In fact it looks like something made for a 1960s science fiction movie, not something durable that could travel at speeds of 25,000 miles per hour for a few hundred thousand miles (and back!) not even durable enough to fall a measly 10 feet to the lunar surface without coming apart at the seams.

In fact this moon module looks so ridiculous i'd dare say it would most likely fall apart if i tried to carefully move it six feet in any direction. This module was in my eyes clearly made to sit in place and be photographed and not move ANYWHERE.

link: hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5922.jpg

Click the photos and zoom in. These are all official NASA photos from the Apollo 11 mission. I see lots of scotch tape.

from Space.com

link: space.com/17411-apollo-11-moon-landing-explained-infographic.html

"To escape from Earth, the astronauts needed the three-stage Saturn V rocket to boost their spacecraft to a velocity of more than 25,000 miles per hour. The lunar lander was tucked safely into the top of the third stage, and the astronauts rode in the Apollo command module atop the stack.

The fragile-looking lunar module was just tough enough to keep two astronauts alive and carry them to the surface of the moon. The top half of the vehicle had its own rocket engine, which was fired to lift the astronauts back into lunar orbit to rejoin the command module.

On final descent, Armstrong noted that the automatic landing system was guiding Eagle toward the boulder-strewn floor of a crater the size of a football field (”West Crater,” not shown below). Armstrong took manual control and skimmed over the crater, landing in a flat plain beyond. Eagle had only about 30 seconds’ worth of fuel left at touchdown.

Now consider that President Nixon is talking to the astronauts on the moon over 200,000 miles away on live television. He confidently says "see you Thursday" as if the boys were taking a leisurely drive over from Virginia, when in fact they were about to begin what could be considered the most difficult and dangerous part of the trip. Never mind the impossibly of such a phone call or radio transmission being possible from the moon in 1969.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGKIh3koAI

And if the phone call is faked on live tv then where were the astronauts while this call was made? Was it prerecorded? If so this would open another can of worms. If this call was faked then what else was faked?

For the record I believe AC's reception story.

I believe @shiva stories about UFO activity he and his friends witnessed in the 1960's.

I believe in Magick and have witnessed magick several times.

But this to me looks more like movie magic; make believe. Something that I have also witnessed many times first hand.

No conspiracy theory. I just don't believe we put a man on the moon in 1969.


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You bring up good points elitemachinery .
I have heard that things can be gleaned from photos and watching launchings; so cover ups are created to protect secrets .
So i vote yay on this one .

“So if another legend about AC (a positive one at that!) gets added to the mix whether true or not then So Mote It Be!
nice !”
Reporting; Yay AC was involved on this one !


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Is this really what LAShTAL.COM has become? A place with forums that literally include conspiracy fantasy posts directly inspired by the Flat Earth Society?!

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=A%20Close%20Look%20at%20the%20Lunar%20Lander

You could just follow the various links here for the actual explanation...

Meanwhile I'm locking this thread for having nothing constructive to say about Aleister Crowley.

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