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28/09/2017 6:12 am  

"Have you seen the pic of James Wasserman with Bill Breeze squatting behind him?"

I read that book just once .
I recall those feelin groove hippies studied under Motta .
But it took em a while to figure out they should be packin .

There is a ritual on the Pope that was mentioned .
Small in comparison toShiva’s .

I thought it was Wasserman in squatting in the back .


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28/09/2017 2:48 pm  

"Hippy". What does that mean? Invented by the Californian media as a pidgeon-holing device.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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28/09/2017 3:31 pm  

““Hippy”. What does that mean? Invented by the Californian media as a pidgeon-holing device.”
Possibly in order to classify them as a group that dropped out of society with a fantasy of peace .


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28/09/2017 4:07 pm  

Though these Hippies may have fled entering the Vietnam War ; they seem to have entered a different battle field and emerged as warriors .


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28/09/2017 4:10 pm  

“A hippie is someone who looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane, and smells like Cheetah.”
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28/09/2017 6:17 pm  

T: I thought it was Wasserman in squatting in the back

Oh, heavens, no.

James is sitting in front, pointing his finger at the camera. He even describes in his book how this very pic, taken by Frater DFTR, was the record of a great epiphany, and also that it's his friend, Bill, behind him, who is witnessing the event.

It's important to get these matters perfectly clear because, you see, I have been told that BB is camera-shy. Including this particular photo, I now have five (5) pictures of him, four of which are clear facial shots (we notice that in the present book-cover photo, his features are obscured with hair and beard, and then occulted even more by his hand). From this pic, I doubt if anyone could recognize him later ... or today. James' features are quite clear, and they match with the person who recently held a video news-conference (press release?), clean-shaven and wearing a suit.

Where have all the hippies gone? The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius has passed away.

Dom: “Hippy”. What does that mean?

I will answer that without reference to other people's ideas, as I was there and actually spoke to, and touched, real hippies.

Hippies were a sub-culture within the existing Osirian culture, who exhibited certain aspects of the emerging Horus culture as promoted by Aleister Crowley and Dr. Timothy Leary.

They were preceded by a sub-culture known as the "Beatniks," representing the "Beat generation." Beatniks could be seem in "Coffee Houses," where they sat around and read books, or talked, and drank coffee (which was perfectly legal). They almost always dressed in dark clothing. One of their primary sacred documents was/is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," a fascinating tale that I have read and understand completely: I can maintain a motorcycle without thinking.

Hippies had certain identifiable characteristics, and so they can be differentiated out of a mass of normal human beings, including:

Long hair (male & female); long beards (m); flamboyantly colored and patterned attire (m & f); sandals (m & f); little purses (m & f); marijuana (m & f - illegal); LSD (m & f - perfectly legal); vegetarian (optional); insistence on individual freedom; free love; non-violence (oh darn, it's those "damn Eastern Teachings" again! ); a tendency to live in groups (herds) called "communes"; a tendency to revert to simpler forms of technology; the use of a secret code in language, such as "cool, man," or "I dig you"; a tendency to not want to work within the Establishment and to seek a means of relaxed, passive income, such as selling dope.

Out of this peaceful, blissful paradigm arose a semi-peaceful element composed of individuals who opposed the Established Establishment, called the Government, in its military jousting in Vietnam. When this faction continued to peacefully push forward and outward in its demonstrations, the United States military forces system pushed back by shooting the f**king hippies.

All this outrageous nonsense came to a stifled halt. Nixon declared Leary "the most dangerous man in America." LSD was made illegal. The Army stood ready to crush the hippies.

I was part of a group that shared many of these characteristics, but lacked the prima facie identification, and so we could be considered as hippies by someone who wasn't there and had disparaging intentions, such as tabloidism. The core of our group disappeared into rural Mexico in late 1969. By the time we re-entered modern norteamericano society three years later, a lot had changed. All the men wore ties that were so tiny and thin, and even lawyers were running around with a Beatle haircut, which was becoming the rage. There were no hippies.

Well, of course some folks kept on with some elemenys of hippydom, like long hair or LSD, sometimes one would catch a view of a multi-colored suit of psychelic design, but in general, ethnic genocide had taken place.

Hippie literature was centered around The Psychedic Experience (based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead and Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, Switzerland) by Leary, et al. Individual hippies were known to utter phrases that quoted Crowley or Liber AL, mainly because Leary introduced those subjects, but AL, as such, was not part of the universal currency.

D: “Hippy”. Invented by the Californian media as a pidgeon-holing device.

Why, yes. I believe that impression might be correct. Hippies did not call themselves "hippies," the name was thrust upon them.

In the greatest of the pigeon-holing devices, Liber 777, I propose that a new column be inserted, titled "Cultures & Sub-cultures," and that "Hippy" or "Hippies" be inserted in the row corresponding to Atu XIV, Art.

Thank for your interest in the Hippie movement. Peace, man. Ban the Bomb.


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28/09/2017 7:13 pm  

“It’s important to get these matters perfectly clear “
I have to sharpen up i know.

“you see, I have been told that BB is camera-shy. Including this particular photo, I now have five (5) pictures of him, four of which are clear facial shots (we notice that in the present book-cover photo, his features are obscured with hair and beard, and then occulted even more by his hand).”

So he probably cuts his own hair too.


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28/09/2017 7:43 pm  

@Shiva: Are you sure about "James is sitting in front, pointing his finger at the camera. He even describes in his book how this very pic, taken by Frater DFTR, was the record of a great epiphany, and also that it’s his friend, Bill, behind him, who is witnessing the event."

I would say it is the other way round: Bill in front, James behind him.

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28/09/2017 8:15 pm  

i thought they looked a like


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28/09/2017 8:26 pm  

Valencia County has the longest record for predicting presidential election winners in the entire country, voting for the winning candidate in every election since 1952...

I am still a practising magician and believe in the power of Silence but I can say that I have had a a fair amount of success with my workings. Not feeling the need to elucidate, brag, or defend myself as I believe it weakens the 'effect,' but I felt I had to add that to stay OT...


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28/09/2017 8:51 pm  

The Duncan Trussell Family Hour #56. "JAMES WASSERMAN"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL2ppUtXyDk

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28/09/2017 9:08 pm  

@Shiva

He even describes . . . that it’s his friend, Bill, behind him, who is witnessing the event.

Then I think he's having a laugh, as they say.


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28/09/2017 9:24 pm  

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28/09/2017 9:25 pm  

oh well i couldn't get the image in.


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28/09/2017 9:44 pm  

One of the major legacies of "the hippies" is this notion of "selling out".

Ae you saying that "hippies" never existed anywhere other than the USA?

Who were the main spokespersons for "the hippies"?

How naïve did one have to be to be a "hippy"?

Can you think of any other time before the 1960s when people were similar to "hippies"?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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28/09/2017 9:57 pm  

@dom

Can you think of any other time before the 1960s when people were similar to “hippies”?

Beatniks and kindred bohemians in the 1950s. I daresay there were similar social trends at other tomes in the twentieth century and centuries earlier.


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28/09/2017 10:12 pm  

@Dom you would have to define what you mean by 'hippy.' Is a hippy someone who is always anti-war, anti-establishment, anti-restriction?

AC was anti-establishment for example, but he was not anti-war.


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28/09/2017 10:31 pm  

"Ae you saying that “hippies” never existed anywhere other than the USA?"
I think they infiltrated during the British invasion .

“it’s those “damn Eastern Teachings” again”
Are you talking Hare Krishna or Sun Tsu ?


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29/09/2017 12:17 am  

The term "hippy" is just too vague. I think the term "beatnik" was used in a Dosteovsky novel and it is of course Russian-sounding.

Leary tried to analyse the "hippy" scientifically but unless you've studied his 8 brain circuits then you won't understand.

The "hippy movement" seemed to be inherently "leftist" .....somehow...and ironically, feminism arose out of the disgruntlement of "hippy" women and the chauvinist abuse they underwent in communes.

Back to Nature movements go way back, probably pre Great War in Germany (Lebensreform). The Nazi movement arose out of that to an extent.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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29/09/2017 1:28 am  

david: Once again, you display your vast ignorance, and laziness in not looking things up. Classic Dunning-Kruger syndrome stuff.

"Beatnik" comes from the Kerouac formulation "the Beat generation", with the suffix -nik added by newspaper columnist Herb Caen in 1958, as a reference to the recent Sputnik satellite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik#Etymolog

Here is the first sentence in which the word "beatnik" appeared

Look magazine, preparing a picture spread on S.F.'s Beat Generation (oh, no, not AGAIN!), hosted a party in a No. Beach house for 50 Beatniks, and by the time word got around the sour grapevine, over 250 bearded cats and kits were on hand, slopping up Mike Cowles' free booze. They're only Beat, y'know, when it comes to work...

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pocketful-of-Notes-2855259.php

Dostoevsky died in 1881, so about 77 years too early to have used this word in his work.

Does it never occur to you to check anything before posting?


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29/09/2017 2:42 am  

TRS Iff: I would say it is the other way round: Bill in front, James behind him.

No, I'm not sure. My comments are based on what I thought I read in his book and what I felt was proper facial recognition via James' video and Bill's photos. But when I researched his book, all I found was: "Summer 1978 - The cover photo of Bill and me was taken by my brother looking out on the fire escape of our fifth floor loft." So that doesn't help.

Note that it was 1978 and they both still looked prety "hippyish," so the trend continued a lot longer than the "official" end in 1972.

I have no other references to affirm or deny my identification. Fortunately, it's only important to get these things straight if you're using a pic as a magickal link. Since I'm not planning any work on or with either fellow, then it doesn't matter ... to me.

Further fortunately, I know the photographer and can ask, and I'll get back to you in due course.


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29/09/2017 3:10 am  

@shiva :

I believe you have “gotten” it.
So it seems there is no one-to-one or one-on-one direct transmission.  In which case I still don't quite fully get the nature of the magical link here, as I was under the impression that this needed to be in some way grounded, physical and material in basis.  As in voudun for instance, with hair (dna) or nails or skin or sundry bodily fluids, there would then be some basis.

If it is just the case that someone indirectly "knew" someone, or shook their hands, or cut their hair some time, it raises a number of secondary questions, such as how long is this effect able to be maintained, and whether there is any deterioration in potency (half life?) over the course of time.  Would Nixon's barber be able to create the same effect in another ritual (all other things being equal) taking place say 30, 40 years later?

"I thought it was Wasserman in squatting in the back ."
"I would say it is the other way round: Bill in front, James behind him."
"Then I think he’s having a laugh, as they say."

If anyone looks at the photograph of the members of the "Caliphornian OTO Glee Club" kindly uploaded by yourself, shiva, in Reply #82708 on 3rd November 2013 at 8.28pm near the bottom on the first page of the thread called "The Best of The Equinox - Sex Magick  - released Nov" on the third page of "News Articles" on the "Thelemic Culture - Crowley in the Media" board, one can see images of  Wasserman and Breeze there.  It seems unmistakeable from these they can be the other way around (viz. Wasserman in the foreground, Bill Breeze crouching behind).  It was quite a funny thread, as I recall.

@dom :

Are you saying that “hippies”... Who?... How...? Can you...?
Is this thread now turning into "Twenty Questions" on the hippies now, david/dom?  If you don't know the answers to fairly basic socio-historical questions why not try googling it up?  (You will find, for instance, that the actual "death of hippie" took place in September 1967 in Haight--Ashbury. This would have been over eighteen months before the Solar Lodge "Nixon-Mao" ritual, and over ten before the snap of Breeze & Wasserman as "post-punk" era hippies!)

@Tiger :

“it’s those “damn Eastern Teachings” again”
Are you talking Hare Krishna or Sun Tsu ?

Hu Flung Dung, of course.

Come on, Wm13, pretty please would you provide any evidence to back-up your assertion that Australia was involved in the sending & receipt of unpublished Crowleyana in the immediate post-Crowley period?  If you're unable to do so, were mistaken, or had a mental blitz, a simple acknowledgement of the same would suffice!  I promise I won't castigate or scorn you.

Please could you play your didgeridoo blue please could you play the didgeridoo blues
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29/09/2017 5:00 pm  

JB: I still don’t quite fully get the nature of the magical link here, as I was under the impression that this needed to be in some way grounded, physical and material in basis. As in voudun for instance, with hair (dna) or nails or skin or sundry bodily fluids, there would then be some basis.

Yes, you continue to "get it." I'm not sure why you think something is missing. When a barber finishes up with a client, his/her next duty is to sweep up the results of their cutting and deposit such "leavings" in a trash can ... or possibly be so distracted as to put some in their pocket.


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29/09/2017 9:04 pm  

@ignant666

Yeah I never googled it like you did. Thanks for getting off your ass and going to Google for me. I wasn't making a declaration that I was right about the etymology if you reread what I said;

I think the term “beatnik” was used in a Dosteovsky novel and it is of course Russian-sounding

Anyway back to the 1960s order lineage thread-derailment no doubt.....

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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29/09/2017 10:00 pm  

Well, david, the reason i "googled it" is that i knew these things already, but needed evidence to show you. It took all of three minutes.

You, as a Dunning-Kruger sufferer, routinely assume you know things you know nothing about, and never bother to check before running your mouth about them.

So discussing the Solar Lodge, in light of Shiva's clearly OT post about their working, is "1960s order lineage thread-derailment", but asking "what is a hippie anyway?", and talking about how Dostoevsky used a word coined nearly a century after he died, are not? Good to know.


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30/09/2017 1:26 am  

Yes, you continue to “get it.”

Oh - do I? I suppose that's good, isn't it!  (I didn't realize he'd carried away some shavings in his pocket).  We'll just carry on then shall we.

We were up to the point where david/dom has finished with the hippies, I think --- or maybe not.  I suppose he must have some idea if it's on topic or  not, after all it's his thread.

Still waiting to hear about Oz as a standby repository after the apocalypse --- or was that all a mirage?
(Would you tan my hide when I'm dead, Frederick, and hang it high on the shed s'il vous plait)
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30/09/2017 4:47 am  

JB: I suppose that’s good, isn’t it!

Yes, it is. You were a bit slow on the uptake, but quite accurate in your surmising. Somehow, on a magickal forum, I thought saying "N's barber was Frater M.'." would immediately convey what took place.

To TRS Iff: I have confirmed the identities.

BB-JW

My knowledgeable informant says: "In re the cover shot, Breeze is on the left of the image with glasses, Wasserman is on the right in the back with his hand over his mouth.

So you are the Real Simon Iff! I, on the other hand, have my head upside down and must re-orient my concept of reality regarding this olde-era photograph.


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30/09/2017 8:05 am  

Yes, it is. You were a bit slow on the uptake, but quite accurate in your surmising.
Yes but (with a sense of triumph) I got there in the end, didn't I!  That gives me an inner glow.

Somehow, on a magickal forum, I thought saying “N’s barber was Frater M.’.” would immediately convey what took place.
But that doesn't necessarily mean squat though, does it?  One mustn't jump to the first apparent conclusion which presents itself., which may perforce be incorrect. For example, if one read only Hunter S Thompson's comments on Nixon's acumen and opinions about baseball, one might think he has a fairly high opinion of this chap.  A bit more knowledge and research would reveal the fact he thinks he's a bit of a grotesque and oafish charmer for all that, but that information wouldn't be there to begin with.  You'd have to intuititvely have surmised it. The same applies with something like lloyd george or the pres knew my uncle, or was the president's barber.  Do you get it!?

Incidentally, the position re the correct identities of the cover stars --- the one where Breeze is the magician trying to set glass on fire a la Frater Genesthai whilst a sceptical Wasserman looks on --- was originally revealed back in the "Sex release in the Equinox" News Article thread previously revealed (and which is now at the top of the first page of that board cos I redefillibrated it.)

Reanimationally yours and back to our previous programming,
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30/09/2017 4:31 pm  

J: Do you get it!?

Sure.

J: Incidentally, the position re the correct identities of the cover stars — the one where Breeze is the magician trying to set glass on fire a la Frater Genesthai whilst a sceptical Wasserman looks on — was originally revealed back in the “Sex release in the Equinox”

I didn't know that. Thus, I must resign as the only true 8=3 who is responsible for the care and welfare of your Soul. You will have to go on by yourself.


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01/10/2017 10:01 pm  

Has anyone noticed (as I just have) the extraordinary resemblance between the visage of Breeze in the foreground of the photograph (see above) and the high-foreheaded, narrow-faced bearded facial figure of our lord jesus christ on the famous turin shroud?

Not saying that he is jc in any way, of course, but if there's anything ooky-spooky in it, perhaps we should be told?

Vive la difference
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01/10/2017 11:12 pm  

Looks pretty good for a guy whose eyes have been pecked out by a hawk if so, Jamie.

Doesn't the Make-Your-Own-McA.'. A.'. associated with the (c)OTO have a "World Teacher" these days?

"Holy Krishnamurti, Batman!". One wonders if their leaders have, like some who post here, also read Confessions more than a hundred times, but missed AC's scathing remarks about the last time someone proclaimed a "World Teacher"? A title that truly gives me the creeps.


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01/10/2017 11:38 pm  

Shouldn't a "World Teacher" (Ha!) produce content just by being out being a World Teacher? Yet there is this thread about a lack of content.

I want to see Gunther meet the Dalai Lama.


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16/10/2017 10:59 pm  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPDnysW0cnE&t=904s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwnRKtxUJRQ

Any fans of this guy around here?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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16/10/2017 11:30 pm  

Signing up for his "Omniscience Training Course" right now! Super-handy at work doing the science!

Thanx, david!

[But, seriously folks... What a horse's ass! I may be a partisan of "Gullible Thelema", but not that gullible. This guy has a lot of videos. My atheist teenage son, who thinks religion is really funny, is off to watch them all.]


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16/10/2017 11:40 pm  

Any fans of this guy around here?
You wouldn't mean the same being that was evoked by Roger Delgado as the sinister Rev Magister in the vintage (Jon Pertwee as) Doctor Who serial "The Daemons" would you david/dom?

I want to see Gunther meet the Dalai Lama.
Sounds like the beginning of a joke here, but what would be a good punchline? Perhaps we need to throw in a few more colourful characters such as Maharishi Sexy Sadie, Anton LaVey, Timothy Leary...

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17/10/2017 6:33 pm  

@ignant666

But, seriously folks… What a horse’s ass! I may be a partisan of “Gullible Thelema”, but not that gullible. This guy has a lot of videos. My atheist teenage son, who thinks religion is really funny, is off to watch them all.]

How do you determine that belief in this guy requires any more gullibility than "gullible Thelema"?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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17/10/2017 7:28 pm  

"Gullible Thelema", young david (and we do insist on the capital "G"- if the "Skepticals" get one, we do, too!), consists not of a series of beliefs as to whether the demon Azazel will confer omniscience, or whether demons are "real", but rather a particular interpretation of the written works of a certain dead English author, Aleister Crowley.

It is the interpretation that says AC meant what he said about praeterhuman and discarnate intelligences, that he believed in gods and Godhead, and that he believed these things were as objectively real as my desk or sore knee. It is the interpretation that rejects the recent school that calls itself "Skeptical Thelema", and that rejects the inane proposition that AC was "No True Thelemite" when he indulged in his supernatural and occult "hobbies".

As such, i am able to verify that my interpretation of those works, one i share with many who post here, and share with every serious academic who has written about AC, and share with every person who studied with or knew AC personally, is correct, and the interpretation of those works by "Skeptical Thelema" is incorrect, by reviewing those written works.

No "belief" is required, except the "belief" that i am able to correctly interpret a body of written English prose and poetry that i have been reading for a period of more than 40 years.


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17/10/2017 8:56 pm  

I get it. Thanks.

You're actually wrong if you think that Los denies any of Crowley's metaphysical crutches. That isn't the position.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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17/10/2017 11:11 pm  

You’re actually wrong if you think that Los denies any of Crowley’s metaphysical crutches. That isn’t the position.

You can't be saying he accepts all of them, surely? What are you trying to say is the position, now?

N Joy

P.S., The Dr Who "daemon" was Azal not Azazel, apparently, and not this other guy at all. Fancy!


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17/10/2017 11:30 pm  

@jamie

I think the patronising phrase "Crowley's metaphysical crutches" says it all; they're delusions to which the poor chap clung, but which colossi such as Erwin and Los have seen through and now relentlessly and selflessly expose, so that we lesser beings who come after are spared such folly.

Or something like that. Probably.


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17/10/2017 11:31 pm  

Sceptics obviously cannot deny the patently obvious religious statements that Crowley made here and there but the overwhelming galvanizing force of his work was his lifelong method of science. That method is the refutation of unproven and indemonstrable claims which peppered Theosophy and the like.

Anyway, entertainment time;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPADEpgzLQ8&t=1951s

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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17/10/2017 11:42 pm  

@dom

The "overwhelming galvanizing force of his work" was The Book of the Law.


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ignant666
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17/10/2017 11:50 pm  

Yes, david, having engaged with the S.'. H.'. Pile Of Dust himself here in this forum for several years, i am aware that the "Skeptical Thelema" argument is that AC's lifelong quest for spiritual enlightenment was just him indulging in his supernatural and occult “hobbies”, and that AC was “No True Thelemite” when he did this. In fact, i explicitly said this in the post you are relying to. Look up the "No True Scotsman" fallacy in case that reference is going over your head.

Abject superstitionists obviously cannot deny the patently obvious pro-science statements that Crowley made here and there but the overwhelming galvanizing force of his work was his lifelong aim of religion. That aim is the refutation of unproven and indemonstrable claims which pepper reductionist materialism.

See how easy it is to make categorical statements like yours? What if both what you said, and what i said, are correct?

[Hint: Both statements are correct.]


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18/10/2017 12:46 am  

“Often ill trained, or greenhorn Adepts (those who are reaching Tiphereth for the first time in one particular incarnation, and never reached it before, and therefore have no Magickal Memore - the so called Intuition to help them), will become disturbed when making contact with another system which may seem to differ wildly from their own (sometimes as if it were it complete opposite), and which yet they feel, rightly, to be true. In such cases it is fatal to leave your system and tackle the other. It is mixing the planes. If there be a need of contact between your branch of activity and that other, this contact should be made on the plane of Buddhi - Manas, and not on any lower plane. It is the king‟s son”, that is, the Prince that is, the Tiphereth - consciousness, that should handle the “Embassy” to the other King involved. The “cobbler” must be made to do his work, that is to deep the lower vehicles in good health and disciplined to the Call of the Highest.
There is naturally, and exception to the rule of not going into the details of another system: when you are trying to perfect a new system that should include the best points of two - or more - others. Normally, however, the impulse will be known, in this case, to come from the Prince - Tiphereth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.”

Marcello Motta commentary on Liber LXV


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18/10/2017 2:36 am  

There is only one system: The spectrum of consciousness as laid out and administered by nature. This is "the invisible order that hath no name among men."

All outer systems are attempts to imitate, or synchronize with, this natural process. In this, the A.'.A.'. is the most practical (from my own observations). I have not yet found a system that could not be correlated with the Tree of Life, and thus the A.'.A.'. system. Sceptical Thelema is just Neti-neti to anything that is not black-and-white obvious, and so it's a sub-classification of Atu XVI ("stopping thought").


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18/10/2017 4:33 pm  

@shiva

The Tree of Life covers everything? Yeah it would do it's ten numbers zero to ten. The most basic classification method is numbers and their differences and their relationships.

Do you think there's an alien race out there with 14 fingers whose mystics have devised a 14 sephiroth Tree of Life?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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18/10/2017 4:46 pm  

@dom

Do you think there’s an alien race out there with 14 fingers whose mystics have devised a 14 sephiroth Tree of Life?

It's a possibility that only the foolish would ignore.


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Shiva
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19/10/2017 4:47 pm  

D: Do you think there’s an alien race out there with 14 fingers whose mystics have devised a 14 sephiroth Tree of Life?

Take the basic 10. Add "Abyss," "Paroketh," "Adeptus Minor (within)," and "Probationer" = 14. Bring 'em on! We're ready for 14 degrees.


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dom
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19/10/2017 11:49 pm  

@ignant666

See how easy it is to make categorical statements like yours? What if both what you said, and what i said, are correct?

Y'know if AC was sceptical of materialism then why didn't he publically renege on what he said? Why didn't he say something like, "I now conclude that I was wrong when I wrote that the spirits of the Goetia are portions of the brain". Speaking of which...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYTeFJvY-oQ

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Jamie J Barter
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20/10/2017 1:07 am  

Come on now david/dom, really, do you think we have the time to go through all these videos you keep posting? This last one clocks in at almost an hour and a half, alone. You could at least provide a pointer as to which particular portion you have in mind and perhaps even state a helpful context of the point you were trying to bring across --- this would all come in useful. Y'know?

I take it that the ideological honeymoon you momentarily appeared to share with ignant666 is now well and truly off? He did seem to have the idea you were refuting and forsaking the 'Skeptical Thelema' paradigm and, having now seen the light, come round to a more accommodating laissez-faire position and outlook with regard to the 'super-naturalists'. Would y'say y'still saw {through} Los as an 8=3 and Erwin to be his superior?

Non-mercurially yours
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