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herupakraath
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29/01/2011 3:33 pm  

Looters broke into the Museum of Antiquities last night and destroyed two mummies; there is a potential threat to the Stele of Revealing:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110129/sc_nm/us_egypt_museum

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29/01/2011 3:54 pm  

Thanks for the link, Tim.

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29/01/2011 3:57 pm  

It's certainly an "ill-ordered house" now.


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29/01/2011 4:17 pm  

Just when I´m collecting money to get to see original Stele someday alive at Cairo... Let´s hope for the best, and that the situation there would calm down as soon as possible...

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29/01/2011 4:33 pm  

For what it's worth, I'm currently planning my annual visit. Probably arriving in Cairo with username 81 in late May.

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29/01/2011 6:47 pm  

UK Channel 4 News has just broadcast some very troubling scenes from inside the Museum, now protected by soldiers, showing evidence of looting and damage inside one of the galleries.

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29/01/2011 7:23 pm  

Perhaps time to organize a Lashtal Abstruction Team?


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29/01/2011 9:49 pm  

Gee, I wish I was going to Egypt when _you_ were going... It'd be nice to go there with someone knowledgable about Crowley (as opposed to people who are knowledgable about completely different topics). But not while there's chaos as like right now, of course.


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29/01/2011 11:21 pm  
"Noctifer" wrote:
It's certainly an "ill-ordered house" now.
"ignant666" wrote:
Perhaps time to organize a Lashtal Abstruction Team?

I've got one word to say : burka.


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29/01/2011 11:48 pm  

Some friends of mine in Jordan (my semi-civilized base camp in the region when I visit) report that there is a "great sense of unease," whatever the hell that means. They are, obviously, sensing that their own communications might be being monitored, and won't say more. And yes, these are Thelemites amongst Islam, Insha'Allah. (!)


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30/01/2011 12:24 am  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT8PLzXxJ7g

There is so far no damage done to Stele as it seems, but the destruction is terrible... 🙁


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30/01/2011 2:45 am  
"Noctifer" wrote:
I've got one word to say : burka.

I believe we have a winner, ladies and gentlemen.


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30/01/2011 2:56 am  

I do not, by the way, mean to take lightly the possibility of the destruction or loss of an artifact of considerable importance, though I would argue the availability of images of the Stele on the internet to persons in every place on earth means the abstruction may actually reasonably be spoken of in the past tense.
The internet is likely the war-engine as well, unless it might better be taken as referring to psychedelics or popular music. Or, less cheerfully, the atomic bomb, of course.


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30/01/2011 3:03 am  

Well, as soon as the Muslim Brotherhood takes over from the lumpen proletariat in the street, in addition to razing the museum, they'll be dynamiting the pyramids too. Remember what the Taliban did to the big 13 story Buddha's in Afghanistan? What's a little dynamite when God's on your side?


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30/01/2011 3:21 am  

"Lumpenproletariat" is one word, not two.
While the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas is certainly a shameful event, I doubt Egypt will end up in the hands of people who will allow the destruction of one of the country's biggest sources of foreign revenue: tourism was a "$11.6bn (£7.3bn) industry in 2009", according to Wikipedia citing the BBC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Egypt#Statistic s"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Egypt#Statistics


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30/01/2011 6:20 am  
"ignant666" wrote:
I do not, by the way, mean to take lightly the possibility of the destruction or loss of an artifact of considerable importance, though I would argue the availability of images of the Stele on the internet to persons in every place on earth means the abstruction may actually reasonably be spoken of in the past tense.
The internet is likely the war-engine as well, unless it might better be taken as referring to psychedelics or popular music. Or, less cheerfully, the atomic bomb, of course.

This is an extremely clever and in my opinion plausible possibility. I never thought of it that way and I thank you for bringing it up. Much food for though re the net as searchwar-engine and the stele being 'obstructed' digitally countless times...

The other thing that may or may not go here but I think it is like food for thought is perhaps Crowley and Rose received astral intimations from Aiwaz in the vicinity of the Great Pyramid because it was and still is active as the ruin of a large transmitter and weapon/generator.
The idea of a dormant technology based in granite broadcasting astral recordings to those of receptive mind is very appealing to me..


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30/01/2011 6:28 am  

Heartening news here:
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/29/reports-of-damage-an.html


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30/01/2011 6:38 am  
"christibrany" wrote:
I never thought of it that way and I thank you for bringing it up.

The internet certainly might be said to "make easy" such an abstruction, as well complying with the abjuration to keep it behind "locked glass", for values of "locked glass" that include lcd screens, or of course, framed images printed out from downloaded .jpegs.


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30/01/2011 8:39 am  

Yes, "locked glass", lcd display, nice. I've often thought that in the past. But: that's just an image, not "the Stele of Revealing itself".

Then again, perhaps there's something to be said for the "World of Appearances" being considered thus in any event; and objects of sense being taken as objects pertaining to the particular senses involved, thus an image of an object "is" the object (remember the Weeping Angel episodes of Dr. Who? "An image of an Angel is itself an Angel" ...) as far as the eye is concerned, radiating throughout all time via every instance, irrespective of its temporal physical integrity. Memory is re-membering ...

In viewing the images linked to above I am smitten anew by the almost unbearable beauty of Egyptian artifacts. There really is no comparison. The magic, the spirituality, just blazes incandescently from the surfaces of those miraculous objects. Truly, no culture, not even the Italians or Greeks at their most sublime (whether Antique or Renaissance) have quite made it to that pitch of ineffability - divine though much of their work undoubtably is.


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30/01/2011 9:51 am  
"Noctifer" wrote:
...remember the Weeping Angel episodes of Dr. Who? "An image of an Angel is itself an Angel" ...

Brilliant episode and a brilliant analogy! Food for thought there!


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30/01/2011 11:46 am  

As one who works almost daily with the Stele of Revealing, in making replicas of it, I can't really express how distressing I find the news filtering out of Cairo.

I recently completed a replica of Crowley's own 1904 'abstruction' and, although a best effort at reproduction, I was left with a sense of great sadness that the original had almost certainly been lost in the fire that destroyed Solar Lodge.

I know from experience, that nothing a can compare, either the finest replica or the best digital image, with coming face to face with the original Stele of Revealing itself. Its loss through theft or fire would be appalling. May the Gods extend protective wings over it.


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30/01/2011 12:41 pm  

Beautifully said, Fancourt. I share your distress.

http://hyperallergic.com/17815/egyptian-museum-damage/

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30/01/2011 4:47 pm  

I read at a german news site that the looters were looting while the people were forming a ring outside, oblivious. And not only that the looters were the museums own guards 🙁 Some soldiers and police have been put under 'citizens arrest' after looting too. I hope this comes to an end soon and nothing more is broken!!
http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2011-01/interview-el-saddik


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30/01/2011 6:11 pm  

Oh Paul, that link makes me sick with sadness and worry.
The screencap of Zahi Hawass says it all.


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30/01/2011 6:55 pm  

This is an interesting take on it.

"Some of the protesters who make it to Al Jazeera are telling a different but still scary story. They are claiming the thugs are actually policemen. AThe thugs are giving the Government an excuse to use force and to persuade the Army --- the one institution in the country that the proud Egyptians admire –-- to remove protesters from the streets. "

Disgusting, but unsurprising. Governments tend to have few if any scruples.


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30/01/2011 7:51 pm  
"Noctifer" wrote:
I am smitten anew by the almost unbearable beauty of Egyptian artifacts. There really is no comparison. The magic, the spirituality, just blazes incandescently from the surfaces of those miraculous objects.

According to Frater Aquarius, the paint used in the Stele (and other objects) contained ground-up precious gems, which would account for ... "It shall not fade, but miraculous colour shall come back to it day after day."

Well, it's in locked glass now. We all hope it stays that way.

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I was left with a sense of great sadness that the original [abstruction] had almost certainly been lost in the fire that destroyed Solar Lodge.

"Almost certainly" is "almost" but not "certain."

Having been constantly (for about 3 years) in the presence of a certain wooden, painted Stele that was abstructed from the Agape Lodge "museum" by certain Solar Lodge members, I (we) always wondered if it was the "original" of anything.

Personally, I have examined it under the influence of the then-current libation (it starts with an "L"). I also remember 2 or 3 members (how many, Shiva? - I can't remember - certainly two, maybe three - I seem to call to mind Frater Jon and Frater Anubis) who libated themselves for the sole purpose of examining this Stele. They sat in front of it for 4 hours, probing its style and energetic state - I dropped in at one point (unlibated) to watch the operation. We all came to a similar conclusion:

This Stele certainly radiated a magickal energy, but it was subtle and not that powerful. If one wanted to sense really powerful energy, then they would get near (or [gasp] "open") Crowley's Book of Abramelin talismans, which was equivalent to holding an atomic bomb.

This Stele was the one whose photo has appeared in various books and I have seen copies of it (taken out of one of Crowley's books or the other) posted all over the wild world web. There are many other versions that are not photo-digital reproductions of this particular Stele. How can I tell? There's a place where the paint was obviously repaired or touched up and that paint pattern is recognizable. As I said earlier here on lashtal: "There was a lighter "patch" of paint in front of Ankh-f-n-Khonsu. I have seen this described as a "white patch" or "white spot" somewhere here on the forums, but the Lashtal search engine doesn't seem to help me to find the quote."

It is "almost certain" that this Stele was the one in Crowley's possession, it having been briefly described by Grant who visited him in his room at Netherwood. But it is "uncertain" as to whether this was the original "abstruction" or copy made by Crowley in Cairo. After all, there's a line somewhere (in The Confessions, I think - but it could have been in one of his diaries) where Crowley writes while on one of his adventures, "And now someone has stolen the Stele out of my baggage" (a loose quote). There is no mention, that I have encountered, which indicates that that he ever retrieved it. So the Stele of Crowley's later years is "probably" a copy of the original copy - but who knows? - and besides, it was Crowley's personal Stele and thus worthy of such recognition.

So that's where matters lay when my interest was rekindled within the past 3 years or so. I entered lengthy correspondence with Jerry Cornelius, and exchanged a few remarks with our webmaster on the subject.

Paul pointed out that the original (500BC) Stele was not just painted wood, but a layer of (plaster, or some such material - I cannot remember the exact name - there's a technical title for this procedure) "plaster" was applied as a base to paint on. So the "Solar Lodge" Stele was certainly not this original, it was paint-on-wood, and I believe we can assume that AC did not abstruct (take-away) the original, 500BC version.

When Grady McMurtry arrived on the scene after the fire, and attended the Solar Lodge Yard Sale (Fire Sale?), he purchased a Stele and a copy of Solar Lodge's Liber AL, citing, "Get the stele of revealing itself" and "Set up my image in the East: thou shalt buy thee an image which I will show thee, especial, not unlike the one thou knowest. And it shall be suddenly easy for thee to do this."

.......

Jerry, who has seen the Grady purchase, and I, conducted a deep "detective" project into who had what. Our only conclusion was that the Grady Stele was not the primary wooden Stele of Solar Lodge.

It must be remembered that Solar Lodge photographed the Stele and printed full size reproductions (in sepia tone), one of which was given to every one of the 75 [or so] members. Each member was expected to glue their (front and back) photos to a pre-cut, 1" board, and then to fill in the appropriate colors with paint or colored pencils. In addition, some artistic members (maybe only one or two) decided to paint their own Stele directly on wood without benefit of the photographs. It was likely one of these that Grady purchased.

The primary Stele was kept in the Solar Lodge Temple in Los Angeles, and therefore (as far as I know) it survived the firestorm at Solar Ranch that destroyed virtually all of the other Crowley material. But I'm not sure, because everything was being constantly moved from LA to the desert in never-ending caravans. I do not remember EVER seeing it at Solar Ranch.

Thus, it is possible that this goodie still exists in a form other than dust and ash. So, you younger Knights of the Realm, should you be so inclined (Willed?), may feel free to conjure up a new "Search for the Graal, er Stele). God, what an adventure.

Note that this lengthy post is filled with words like "probably and "possibly" and "we concluded," etc, but then it's based on the term "almost certainly" and so hard facts are mixed with intelligent speculation. You get to decide which is which.

The fact is, this object is cloaked in mysterious veils that don't seem to want anybody to get a clear picture. Including myself, who held it in my hands on numerous occasions.

Now I pose/post a question, of Paul or anyone else who has stood in front of the "locked glass" in Cairo: We've seen many photos, but what is the energetic radiation of that relic like?


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30/01/2011 8:48 pm  

May I say how very impressed I am by the verb "libated", and thanx for a very interesting narrative.


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30/01/2011 9:35 pm  

Thanks, Lord Shiva, for a post that reminds me about just why it is that I spend so much time editing and developing LAShTAL.COM.

As for what the relic is "like" in the flesh? It's unlike anything I've ever seen elsewhere. Glorious. Perfect. Vibrant.

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31/01/2011 12:58 am  
"Noctifer" wrote:
"They are claiming the thugs are actually policemen. The thugs are giving the Government an excuse to use force and to persuade the Army to remove protesters from the streets."

Such "thugs" are called Agents Provocateur. Not a new concept at all:

"In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents pose as political radicals to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S., such as the Black Panthers, Ku Klux Klan, and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

"New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York.

"Denver police officers were also found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. This ultimately resulted in the accidental use of chemical agents against their own men." [serves 'em right!] - Quotes from Wikipedia


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31/01/2011 4:27 am  

At http://twitter.com/eloquentpeasant is a blog dedicated to following events related to the safety of antiquities, especially in the Cairo Museum.

Colleagues have cited other sites:
http://www.unreportedheritagenews.com/2011/01/news-from-cairo-arce-director-dr-gerry.html
http://luxor-news.blogspot.com/2011/01/news-from-egypt-luxor-30th-january-2011.html
http://egyptology.blogspot.com/


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31/01/2011 4:36 am  

From http://www.drhawass.com/blog/situation-egyptian-antiquities-today:
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The Situation in Egyptian Antiquities Today

On Friday, January 28, 2011, when the protest marches began in Cairo, I heard that a curfew had been issued that started at 6.00pm on Friday evening until 7.00am on Saturday morning. Unfortunately, on that day the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, was not well guarded. About a thousand people began to jump over the wall on the eastern side of the museum into the courtyard. On the western side of the museum, we recently finished something I was very proud of, a beautiful gift shop, restaurant and cafeteria. The people entered the gift shop and stole all the jewellery and escaped; they thought the shop was the museum, thank God! However, ten people entered the museum when they found the fire exit stairs located at the back of it.

As every one knows, the Egyptian Museum, Cairo, is naturally lit and due to the architectural style of it, there are glass windows on its roof. The criminals broke the glass windows and used ropes to get inside, there is a distance of four metres from the ceiling to the ground of the museum. The ten people broke in when I was at home and, although I desperately wanted to go to the museum, I could not leave my house due to the curfew. In the morning, as soon as I woke up, I went directly there. When I arrived, I found out that, the night before, three tourist police officers had stayed there overnight because they were not able to get out before the curfew was put in place. These officers, and many young Egyptians who were also there, helped to stop more people from entering the museum. Thankfully, at 10.00pm on Friday night, the army arrived at the museum and gave additional security assistance.

I found out that one criminal was still at the museum, too. When he had asked the people guarding the museum for water, they took his hands and tied him to the door that lead to the gift shop so that he could not escape! Luckily, the criminals who stole the jewellery from the gift shop did not know where the jewellery inside the museum is kept. They went into the Late Period gallery but, when they found no gold, they broke thirteen vitrines and threw the antiquities on the floor. Then the criminals went to the King Tutankhamun galleries.
Thank God they opened only one case! The criminals found a statue of the king on a panther, broke it, and threw it on the floor. I am very thankful that all of the antiquities that were damaged in the museum can be restored, and the tourist police caught all of the criminals that broke into it. On Saturday, the army secured the museum again and guarded it from all sides. I left the museum at 3.00pm on Saturday, 29, 2011.

What is really beautiful is that not all Egyptians were involved in the looting of the museum. A very small number of people tried to break, steal and rob. Sadly, one criminal voice is louder than one hundred voices of peace. The Egyptian people are calling for freedom, not destruction. When I left the museum on Saturday, I was met outside by many Egyptians, who asked if the museum was safe and what they could do to help. The people were happy to see an Egyptian official leave his home and come to Tahrir Square without fear; they loved that I came to the museum.

The curfew started again on Saturday afternoon at 4.00pm, and I was receiving messages all night from my inspectors at Saqqara, Dahsur, and Mit Rahina. The magazines and stores of Abusir were opened, and I could not find anyone to protect the antiquities at the site. At this time I still do not know what has happened at Saqqara, but I expect to hear from the inspectors there soon. East of Qantara in the Sinai, we have a large store containing antiquities from the Port Said Museum.
Sadly, a large group, armed with guns and a truck, entered the store, opened the boxes in the magazine and took the precious objects. Other groups attempted to enter the Coptic Museum, Royal Jewellery Museum, National Museum of Alexandria, and El Manial Museum. Luckily, the foresighted employees of the Royal Jewellery Museum moved all of the objects into the basement, and sealed it before leaving.

My heart is broken and my blood is boiling. I feel that everything I have done in the last nine years has been destroyed in one day, but all the inspectors, young archaeologists, and administrators, are calling me from sites and museums all over Egypt to tell me that they will give their life to protect our antiquities. Many young Egyptians are in the streets trying to stop the criminals. Due to the circumstances, this behaviour is not surprising; criminals and people without a conscience will rob their own country. If the lights went off in New York City, or London, even if only for an hour, criminal behaviour will occur. I am very proud that Egyptians want to stop these criminals to protect Egypt and its heritage.

At this time, the Internet has not been restored in Egypt. I had to fax this statement to my colleagues in Italy for it to be uploaded in London on my website.


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31/01/2011 7:41 am  

It's fortunate that a man like Zahi Hawass, with his passion and sheer energy, is running the Antiquities department over there, but one has to wonder about the absurd state of that museum. I was last there about 13 years ago and even then it was a sloppy mess. It's time the world's most treasured artifacts had a proper museum, and thankfully that's coming with the new GEM (Grand Egyptian Museum) being built in Giza, about 7,000 feet from the Great Pyramid/Sphinx complex (doubtless this has already been mentioned at this board somewhere before, but could be news to some). Far as I've heard construction began there last year and is due for completion in 2012, bumped up from 2013. (Interestingly, it was conceived of in the early 1990s, so may end up taking around 20 years to actualize, similar to the time many think the GP took to be built). Below are some links to information on the GEM, and one artist's rendition (which if accurate, suggests that Hawass and the Supreme Council are going space age -- though it also reminds me a bit of a more exaggerated version of the MET in New York City):

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/malcolmj/grand-egyptian-museum-opening-brought-forward-2012-contractors-sign-new-deal

http://www.drhawass.com/blog/grand-egyptian-museum

http://www.kenseamedia.com/december/grand_egyptian_museum_GEM.htm


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31/01/2011 11:26 am  

Links on the Egyptian Museum during this week's protests:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/soldiers-rescue-ancient-treasures-as-protesters-threaten-to-loot-museum-20110129-1a95w.html
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/28/5943271-egyptians-rush-to-save-tuts-riches
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGiADb4YzqsC_nlgj5gkFPvXl7RA?docId=3944f4eda7c64f4c9449a7c017d6e281
http://www.salon.com/news/egyptian_protests/?story=/news/feature/2011/01/28/egyptian_protests
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44562
http://www.kgw.com/home/Looters-rip-heads-off-mummies-at-Egyptian-Museum-114863799.html

On the looting:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/29/us-egypt-museum-idUSTRE70S1YU20110129
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/01/29/world/international-us-egypt-museum.html
http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre70r7k8-us-egypt-museum/
http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2011/01/29/17081751.html
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Looters-destroy-Egyptian-mummies-20110129Anti-government
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110129/sc_nm/us_egypt_museum
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/30/egypt.unrest.museum/
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/latest-updates-on-protests-in-egypt-2/?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/01/29/world/international-us-egypt-museum.html
video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9dWzNG8tk&feature=youtu.be

... some photos via Al Jazeera:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/el-amiro21/5398533418/in/photostream/


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31/01/2011 4:11 pm  
"Shiva" wrote:
Thus, it is possible that this goodie still exists in a form other than dust and ash. So, you younger Knights of the Realm, should you be so inclined (Willed?), may feel free to conjure up a new "Search for the Graal, er Stele). God, what an adventure.

93!

My "sources" (Ha! I always wanted to use that phrase) swear that the original Crowley replica stele was and still is in the archives of Frl. Aeschbach (via Kuentzel). I ordered my "source" to verify that and it promised to do so in the near future.

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P.S. I also heard that the Aeschbach archive will be kept in private hands, whereas the Aeschbach library will be incorporated in some Swiss public archive/library, contrary to what I said earlier here on the boards.


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31/01/2011 6:12 pm  

My thanks to Shiva for the information about Solar Lodge's Stele - an important bit of history. Not wishing to divert this important thread into a 'Stele lost & found' discussion, the results of my own research are summarized on the page titled 'antique' within the 'Ancient & Modern' section of my website www.themagicalmandarin.com'

I have to admit that I haven't come across the reference to the original abstruction being stolen, so will go back to Confessions, unless someone can save me the trouble with a page number.

I had the privelege of spending several days with the original Stele in Cairo and deliberately viewed it at different times of the day, and in various light conditions. As an artist, I was fascinated by the complex surface texture and the dramatic changes in colour created by direct and indirect sunlight (its currently lit by a skylight). The green of Nuit's body ranges from a fairly intense green-blue to almost black. You could also see tiny sparkles in the paint, caused by the mineral pigment used.

It is my fervent hope that future 'Knights of the Realm', as Shiva calls them, will continue to be able to see the original.


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31/01/2011 6:30 pm  

One day this will happen in London. I'm certain that the capital's cultural heritage will fall victim to the depredations of Left wing extremists and immigrants (i.e. "students", as the MSM will style them.) The riots of last year are a portent of what is to come. Forget water cannon and rubber bullets. The scum that desecrated the Cenotaph should be subjected to the tender mercies of the 7.62mm minigun.


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31/01/2011 8:06 pm  
"seeyouintheentity" wrote:
One day this will happen in London. I'm certain that the capital's cultural heritage will fall victim to the depredations of Left wing extremists and immigrants (i.e. "students", as the MSM will style them.) The riots of last year are a portent of what is to come. Forget water cannon and rubber bullets. The scum that desecrated the Cenotaph should be subjected to the tender mercies of the 7.62mm minigun.

Brilliantly analysed. Left wing extremists. Immigrants. Hm. Yep. Maybe one should do something about them? Like beforehand? Like preventively?

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01/02/2011 12:05 am  
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I had the privelege of spending several days with the original Stele in Cairo and deliberately viewed it at different times of the day, and in various light conditions. As an artist, I was fascinated by the complex surface texture and the dramatic changes in colour created by direct and indirect sunlight (its currently lit by a skylight). The green of Nuit's body ranges from a fairly intense green-blue to almost black. You could also see tiny sparkles in the paint, caused by the mineral pigment used.

I started an effort at restoring some of the original colors of the stele, as impossible as it may seem, and found something interesting; using the program GIMP, there is a feature that will isolate sections of color that match the color of a selected part, which reveals the hands, feet, ankles, and neck of Nuit are one color, possibly a bright shade of blue, while her hair is black, and her dress a very dark blue. Of course, due to the fading of pigments from exposure to ultraviolet, the exact colors will probably never be known.

One other revelation that resulted from attempts at color matching is just how much damage there is to the stele; the front has been scraped repeatedly, a testament to its toughness, and a wonder that it looks as good as it does.


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01/02/2011 7:48 am  

I am not sure what you mean by 'scraped'. Your may be simply highlighting the extensive brushstrokes and many ridges and rivulets in the ancient varnish that cover the surface of the obverse side. You also have to remember that the orignal colours are being seen today through this quite thick yellowed layer.


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From http://chronicle.com/article/AntiquitiesScholarship/126166/?sid=pm&utm_source=pm&utm_medium=en
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January 31, 2011
Antiquities and Scholarship Find Themselves Caught Up in Egypt's Political Turmoil By Ursula Lindsey

Cairo
Archaeologists inside and outside Egypt are anxiously monitoring the fate of the country's antiquities, after several museums and archaeological sites were looted following the pervasive protests and security vacuum that have gripped the country. Demonstrators here have taken to the streets for the last six days, calling for an end to President Hosni Mubarak's 30-year authoritarian rule.

The turmoil is also affecting research projects.

Some future archaeological missions to Egypt have been canceled, and some foreign teams here are leaving. But others are staying put.

After tens of thousands of protesters took control of Cairo's central Tahrir Square last Friday evening, and the police abandoned the streets, a crowd of 1,000 people broke into the gardens in front of the Egyptian Museum, which is home to some of the country's most precious Pharaonic antiquities, including the famous Tutankhamen trove.

Looters ransacked the museum's gift shop, making off with souvenirs and gold jewelry. Citizens and museum officials locked arms and guarded the building until army forces arrived.

But a group of men climbed the museum's fire escapes and entered galleries on the top floors. They were apprehended by tourist police inside the museum.

"They were looking for gold, and they thought there were golden statues in the museum that they can sell in the market," the museum's director, Tarek El Awady, told The Chronicle. "They grabbed gold-plated statues, but when they realized they were actually wood, they threw them on the floor."

"Only 13 showcases—out of hundreds—were damaged," said Mr. El Awady.
"Seventy-five artifacts were moved or damaged, but I think none are missing. Our conservators will work on restoring these artifacts once the situation calms down."

Mr. El Awady said small groups of looters have continued to attempt to scale the museum's walls and break in, but they have been apprehended each time by the army units now guarding the building.

The situation is more difficult at some of Egypt's many far-flung Pharaonic excavation sites, many of which are located in the desert.
Storage magazines near the Pharaonic sites of Saqqara—home to a world-famous stepped pyramid—and Abusir—another famous necropolis—have reportedly been looted. The Imhotep museum in Saqqara was also attacked by looters, apparently unsuccessfully.

Some of the artifacts in the looted storage facilities haven't even been studied yet, said Salima Ikram, a professor of Egyptology at the American University in Cairo. "It is obviously, as with all antiquities, quite a tragic loss," she said. Ms. Ikram hoped that most of the artifacts might be recovered. "Art dealers and museums should be aware that anything that comes from Egypt is very suspect," she noted.

Research Suspended

There are over 200 foreign archaeological missions working in Egypt this year—ranging from two to 10 people each. There are also more than 2,000 foreign Egyptologists living in Egypt, many of whom are now evaluating their positions.

A foreign archaeologist working on a tomb excavation in the southern city of Luxor said a Belgian, Spanish, and American mission had left town, but her team felt "secure enough that we can stay."(The archaeologist preferred to remain anonymous, saying, "I don't want to act as a spokesperson for the Egyptian antiquities ministry.")

"The situation here is pretty stable," said the archaeologist, referring to the West Bank of the Nile in Luxor, where she works. "We don't know what's going on in the East Bank."

The East Bank is home to most of Luxor city —where protesters set the local police station on fire—and to the temples of Karnak and Luxor, two of Egypt's most famous tourist attractions.

The Associated Press reported that on Luxor's East Bank, locals fought off a gang of robbers who tried to break in to the warehouse of the Karnak Temple.

At many sites, antiquities officials, excavation teams, and nearby residents have banded together to re-enforce security.

Mr. Al Awady, director of the Egyptian Museum, said what mattered was that "Egypt's archaeological heritage has not been affected badly by this political situation. One of the most important things is to keep this heritage for coming generations. We want people to help because we don't have enough resources to protect the sites and museums ourselves."

The army has now deployed to protect all of the country's national museums.


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01/02/2011 4:14 pm  
"fancourt" wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by 'scraped'. Your may be simply highlighting the extensive brushstrokes and many ridges and rivulets in the ancient varnish that cover the surface of the obverse side. You also have to remember that the orignal colours are being seen today through this quite thick yellowed layer.

Are you sure the varnish is ancient?

Looking at the area on Nuit's body right above the winged disk, there is a damaged area that looks like a pair of eyes, probably the result of the stele being knocked over; looking for other areas of similar color shows a pattern of damage that was caused by either dragging a heavy object across the surface of the stele, or from it possibly laying face down on a floor and being scraped as a result.

Starting with the face of Nuit, there is a pattern of damage that can be traced straight down to the head and body of Ankh-f-n-khonsu, and extends across the table of offerings, also affecting the body and throne of Ra-Hoor-Khuit. Looking right above the head of Ankh-f-n-khonsu, the area of damage is obvious, and extends to the right, with a large portion of paint missing from the arm of Nuit. All of the small light colored dots and missing color spots appear to be caused by paint being scraped away from the surface of the stele.

I suspect the stele has a more extensive history than we know, probably having been moved to many different locations before arriving at the place where it was found by Mariette.


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01/02/2011 4:15 pm  

Sad for all the mummies.


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01/02/2011 10:07 pm  

Herupakraath,

The varnish is almost without doubt ancient. The two holes in the centre of Nuit's body also appear to be ancient. The earliest 19th century photos of the reverse, before the famous 666 label was attached, show that they do not pierce through the Stele and they may have been fixing holes for a now lost piece of decoration (see 'ancient' page of the 'Ancient & Modern' section in The Company of Heaven at www.themagicalmandarin.com). The damage around the head of Ankhafnakhonsu is a a large stain caused by water damage. The apparent missing flecks of paint on Nuit's body are actually small muddy stains - again probably a result of water damage. Hope that helps.


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01/02/2011 11:12 pm  

Well this is controversial...

Egypt's Antiquities Fall Victim to the Mob
A definitive answer to the question: Should the Elgin Marbles be returned to Greece?.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703833204576114580200904212.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


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04/02/2011 2:27 am  
"lashtal" wrote:
As for what the relic is "like" in the flesh? It's unlike anything I've ever seen elsewhere. Glorious. Perfect. Vibrant.

I concur. It is in a case with a bunch of other steles, but even from way across the room it stands out dramatically. "Miraculous colour" indeed.

Standing in front of it, it seems to compel silent contemplation. Even, I observed, among the casual tourists in the museum who happened by.

I didn't want to leave.


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04/02/2011 3:21 am  
"fancourt" wrote:
Herupakraath,

The varnish is almost without doubt ancient. The two holes in the centre of Nuit's body also appear to be ancient. The earliest 19th century photos of the reverse, before the famous 666 label was attached, show that they do not pierce through the Stele and they may have been fixing holes for a now lost piece of decoration (see 'ancient' page of the 'Ancient & Modern' section in The Company of Heaven at www.themagicalmandarin.com). The damage around the head of Ankhafnakhonsu is a a large stain caused by water damage. The apparent missing flecks of paint on Nuit's body are actually small muddy stains - again probably a result of water damage. Hope that helps.

I read the information at your site; the theory about a missing decoration is very interesting, and a reasonable conclusion I suspect.

I had never considered water as a possible source of damage due to the desert having such a dry climate, and high temperatures. A check into ancient Egyptian varnishes indicates the clearest ones were made of water-soluble resin, which lends credence to your conclusions about water damage. All in all, well done on your part. Thanks for the insight.

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04/02/2011 10:12 am  

Thanks for that Tim, you are a scholar after my own heart. The area in which the Stele was found is subject to occasional and heavy flash-floods, which may account for the water damage.

Its not water damage that concerns me at present. I'm dreading what today may bring. Watching live footage over past couple of days there have been skirmishes along the side of the museum in which molatov cocktails have been thrown. I am praying that AL III:34 is not going to be fulfilled.

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04/02/2011 1:48 pm  
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The internet is likely the war-engine as well, unless it might better be taken as referring to psychedelics or popular music. Or, less cheerfully, the atomic bomb, of course.

"CHAPTER IX (in Magick Without Tears).

THE SECRET CHIEFS .....

"...the thaumaturgic engine disposes of a type of energy more adaptable than Electricity itself, and both stronger and subtler than this, its analogy in the world of profane science." ....

"It is of this universally powerful weapon that the Secret Chiefs must be supposed to possess complete control. They can induce a girl to embroider a tapestry, or initiate a political movement to culminate in a world-war; all in pursuit of some plan wholly beyond the purview or the comprehension of the deepest and subtlest thinkers." ....

"To a Secret Chief, wielding this weapon, "The nice conduct of a clouded cane" might be infinitely more important than a war, famine and pestilence such as might exterminate a third part of the race, to promote whose wel-fare is the crux of His oath, and the sole reason of His existence!" [...]"


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04/02/2011 2:59 pm  
"fancourt" wrote:
I'm dreading what today may bring. Watching live footage over past couple of days there have been skirmishes along the side of the museum in which molatov cocktails have been thrown. I am praying that AL III:34 is not going to be fulfilled.

I find it riveting the Stele of Revealing is literally at the center of current activity in Cairo. Your statement about verse III:34 touches on a theory I find plausible given the current state of events: the invisible house is actually the apartment where the Cairo Working occurred; it seems more likely that a building in Cairo will succumb to fire and sword before a structure in the tranquil setting of rural Scotland does.

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05/02/2011 12:43 am  

Tim,

"herupakraath" wrote:
I find it riveting the Stele of Revealing is literally at the center of current activity in Cairo.

I couldn't agree more, though I share Fancourt's fear for the relic's safety.

Now would be a very rewarding time for members to re-read the relevant verses in The Book Of The Law and see how prescient they could be considered.

We continue to watch developments in Egypt closely and credit must be given to Dr Zahi Hawass for his continued efforts to protect the contents of this most extraordinary museum.

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