I hope this is the right spot for this.
Has anybody had recent dealings with Hellfire Publishing ( https://hellfireclubbooks.com/)? I ordered a Crowley collection of him way back in March and it hasn't arrived. I've ordered stuff in the past and I know there is a wait, but this time I have sent now four emails over about six weeks without reply. I am now going to go a Paypal dispute unless I can get some word from someone that the business is still viable. Paypal is a last resort of course.
So if anybody has had contact, or even received a book could you let me know before I go to Paypal?
I have actually never ordered from them, but since I am seeing 2 editions there, listed under 'Available' that I am interested in, I would be thankful if you or anyone else could update on if they are still active and listed books are actually in stock. This before I try bugging them or ordering myself.
Oh thank the gods! I'm not alone! I ordered a Clothbound limited edition of "The Confessions of Isobel Gowdie & Co.: The Sketchbooks of the Ayrshire Wica" illustrated by John Upton (a book on Scottish traditional witchcraft and folk magic, focused primarily around the witch trial record accounts of the accused during the Inquisition, mixed with some modern witchcraft elements given to the author by many of the more significant public figures known in modern Occult circles and Wiccan/Neopagan movements so popular today like Gardner, Valiente, Williamson, etc.)
Anyway, back on subject- I ordered a copy on 18 June 2019 and it's now October and I have tried repeatedly and in many ways to contact anyone associated with Hell Fire Club Books and have had ZERO success! L
I plan on contacting my bank tomorrow, if you read the fine print on the WorldPay website- they won't do ANYTHING for you about the fact that you never got whatever you bought through a seller, it even says on their FAQs page "it is the seller's responsibility" and not their job to insure that the issue or problem related to the unfinished completion of the online transaction.
This just kills me... I wanted that book so badly! My dad's side of the family is pretty heavily Scottish/German and we actually traced our exact lineage and found his family actually was living in Fife and Auldearne, Scotland at the time of Isobel Gowdie's trial! And we are legitimately descended from notable Scottish individuals both accused, condemned, put to death and even historically noted for the practice of witchcraft as far back as the late 1400s. One woman, Clea, who was a "grey witch" for lack of a better term is very directly mentioned in "The Darker Supersitions of Scotland" as healing and cursing many and renowned, and also a man, Donald, who was also a notable warlock I guess but black all the way and feared terribly. After Donald was put to death the family left Scotland and ended up on various locations in England like East Anglia, Essex, Cornwall too if I remember correctly but I'd have to double check if it was Cornwall just to be 100% sure.
Anyway, I'll stop myself there. Sorry, but hopefully that gives you all an idea of why and how much I actually truly did want to eventually receive the copy of this book I already paid in full for over 2 months ago now. Hopefully someday I will get it despite all of this.
Also, WorldPay says to contact your bank (the bank associated with the payment funds transferred to HFCB- the account you paid them from and file a dispute claim for not receiving your product/goods/services, etc. If any flags or information is discovered by your bank in regards to fraudulent activity from HFCB (and obviously there will!) you will be reissued the payment total back to your account.
I asked the owner(s) of Miskatonic Books (who are ABSOLUTELY wonderful, extremely kind and a business I can't recommend to any and all other Occult and Esoterica collectors like myself!) if they knew of anything in regards to Hell Fire and sadly they suffered the same fate as we all have. They paid and never received the product. Well, some but only a few and then I guess the rest never arrived. They told me to contact my bank as I stated earlier (re: above).
I tried everything to contact Hell Fire, *sigh* the two emails they have (one on their site and the second listed in the WorldPay transaction detail receipt email I received after my payment was successfully transferred- they accepted the payment of course but from there, I still haven't successfully been able to reach them personally. I tried also the phone number listed on the bottom footer note on their site, both Facebook & Twitter also by private instant message, my and their posting walls as well as their wall's post comments... I finally just decided to give up. I've tried EVERYTHING and the whole time been cordial, polite and curteous- plus, obviously extremely patient LOL.
I hope you all have better success, who knows what is really going on with Hell Fire. A few years ago the first ever Blu Ray edition of "Elvia, Mistress of the Dark" was being released by a co-starring video Manufacturing company in Germany and they pulled a similar stunt like this and it bankrupted them. I just pray it all eventually gets worked out.
For the gods sakes, what ever happened to dedication, being honest, taking pride in service and product and actually putting in the effort as a hard-working person these days? Am I right? LOL I mean, the way this is being handled, we might as well say, "R.I.P. Hell Fire Club Books!" *waves*
Further to my sorry saga. I tried to lodge a PayPal dispute but was three days beyond their 180 day cut off. I had in my head I was working on six months which is different to 180 days. I have implored PayPal to stop people like him using PayPal for these types of pre orders. They will investigate. Sure.
The guy may come good. Who knows. There is a similar issue with this pre order con job with Three Hands Press at the moment. I will say I regard THP as gilt edge honest by the way but their Green Mysteries is now probably almost two years since they took pre orders. Their communication in that time has been either full of release dates that didn't arrive or silence. The book now has a Nov release date. Again, such business practices enabled by PayPal.
Something may have happened to the Hellfire guy as I have bought plenty of his books. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he comes good.
I have implored PayPal to stop people like him using PayPal for these types of pre orders
I run a publishing company, Starfire Publishing, and rely on pre-ordering. I always acknowledge the receipt of pre-orders, and am always happy to give refunds to those who in the event of publishing delays consider that they have waited more than long enough. I appreciate the problems of you and others, but would regret it if the solution was to wipe out pre-ordering per se.
93 for those out there, hails, etc.
I've ordered some A∴A∴ Magickal Diary on May 3, 2019, then I've emailed and messaged them on Facebook, with no response, then I sent an email saying I was about to make a considerable purchase of books, but I was puzzled by the long wait of the diary. I got this response on May 18th:
“Yes we do make to order and we have completed your book, the bindery works with one pair of hands and a small number of iron presses so space is tight
If you wish to order a number of books please email me direct here and I will let you know what is ready to despatch as the stock fluctuates according to demand”
Since then I haven't received anything, no news, no product.
It was strange to me that a couple of days before I purchased the diary the website was down saying that they needed to pay the domain. That should have triggered some alarm about ordering from them/him?.
I still have hope, the guy has only two hands 😀
mc: The only conclusion I can take is that they simply aren’t interested in making sales.
Their (his? her?) name is Hellfire, for antichristianity's sake. It seems it's like a Probationer invoking his/her HGA. He/she calls, writes, and sends couriers [thoughtforms], but the Angel doesn't answer. Why are so many folks trying to get in touch with the Devil via similar methods?
Okay, they assumedly produce a superior product. They assumedly are real people (person) because they have delivered books in the past, and a single email was issued recently making a general statement as to cramped quarters and limited staff.
The limited staff may well be one person who is crippled, deformed, insane, a con man, a drug addict, an extremely old guy (like me), or he/she has other business and hardly any time at all for book-work. None of these options is an accusation, only a possible possibility of potent potential. Other reasons may apply.
So if Hellfire was on eBay, for example, it would surely get very poor "Negative" feedback scores, and suffer in sales accordingly. This thread has served a similar purpose, and based on everyone's reports, a Feedback score of (00.1) is assigned.
So if Hellfire was on eBay, for example, it would surely get very poor “Negative” feedback scores, and suffer in sales accordingly. This thread has served a similar purpose, and based on everyone’s reports, a Feedback score of (00.1) is assigned.
The (developed) world these days has become obsessed with ratings, giving everyone the chance to be a Judge, cast the first stone and feel their opinion is worth something & really going to count. School League tables, Uber taxis, AirB&B, Amazon, you name it and the ratings are paramount. Never mind mitigating circumstances like being ill or a run of bad luck, and forget about having had a previous spotless track record (that's history - or soon will be!) There's no room for extenuation or valid explanations: if you get a low score that's curtains for you, chum. There's plenty around with higher marks vying for your money in the market-place.
Yes, it can be a cruel world indeed for the merchant with his wares ...
Norma N Joy Conquest
They assumedly are real people (person) because they have delivered books in the past,
I can vouch for his being a "real person", having spent an afternoon with him a year or two ago in 'The Rising Sun' in Tottenham Court Road. I don't think it was my imaginary friend that bought me several pints of Greene King IPA.
RE the books they sure are gorge...Maybe I will fork over extra for a second hand copy of some of them.
RE ratings in this day and age it really is ridiculous. If they ever try an implement a social credit score in the West like they have in China I am moving to Mars. I have no social media anymore minus Linked in which I never use so I guess I would get a negative score. Stop tracking me stop looking at my private life and stop listening to everything I say.
The fact that people willingly put spy devices developed-in-part by the spy agencies, such as Alexa, Echo, 'smart' door bells etc, in their homes and private areas is mind boggling to me.
Regarding ratings as well, wife and I were discussing this week that no one generally leaves good reviews; if you are satisfied you just sit there smug. So they are generally going to be slanted the wrong way. Its all whining.
Anybody know if this guy is OTO?
As far as I know, he is not a member of the O.T.O.
Regarding ratings as well, wife and I were discussing this week that no one generally leaves good reviews; if you are satisfied you just sit there smug. So they are generally going to be slanted the wrong way. Its all whining.
I don't think that is the case, Chris. When about to install a new piece of software, I generally look at the reviews, and there are plenty of people leaving positive reviews of a product. Similar applies to restaurants, hotels, music, etc.
As a poster, I retired and am a lurker in the dark. However, this thread has been brought to my attention about the reliability of Hellfire Clubs Books. I placed an order in mid-August. Their pay pal was not working and I ordered by Mastercard through WorldPay CARD transaction four items.
The email I received stated:
“Your transaction has been processed by WorldPay, on behalf of Hell fire club books.
Many thanks for your order. Please note it can take a while for you to receive your items. We are not Amazon! All our products are handmade to order. You will receive your order once completed so we thank you for your patience. As a general guideline it can take 15 days before shipping, but this is a general indication. It can take longer, depending the scope of your order. We thank you for your business.”
The WorldCard charge did incur in August 2019 on my credit card statement. I have time to reverse this.
The concern I had was I received a payment confirmation from World Pay, but I did not receive an e-mail listing the items I ordered. I tried to contact them by e-mail a few times with no reply. I went to their Facebook Messenger and asked three times. The last two times I received an automated message stating “Hello and thank you for your message! We are currently experiencing a high volume of messages. Please leave your details and we will get back to you ASAP. Thankyou. Hell Fire Club Books.”
I have heard nothing for a whole month. I can imagine they might have 100 to 500 pending orders so there is time for them to contact me.
In the past I had the same issues of communicating with them for other orders using Pay Pal, they all came in at some point in time. Due to their lack of communication, they always left with the fear I would have a Pay Pal dispute. There are other items I want to order but will wait until the current order is resolved.
My e-mail for their website account is not working because the password reset is not functioning. I bought this up to them when communicating with them. They said they would look into this but nothing was resolved.
On August 15, 2019, they sent an e-mail advertising new publications, Cunning Magic & Celestial Art, but they cannot confirm the status of my order.
Their (his? her?) name is Hellfire, for antichristianity’s sake. It seems it’s like a Probationer invoking his/her HGA. He/she calls, writes, and sends couriers [thoughtforms], but the Angel doesn’t answer. Why are so many folks trying to get in touch with the Devil via similar methods?
Calm down dear...
It doesn't matter who they are, who they think they are, even what they are called.
The fact is that they have a website - supposedly offering items for sale - and have taken orders which are NOT being fulfilled. There are many cases on this thread, and probably a lot more that we don't know about.
I would advise anyone who has purchased, and not received anything, to file a claim using the court of small claims. It's easy to do, and likely to result in some success - though it's UK only.
Hey guys 93
I had a big reply to this posted, but I edited it, and it disappeared, so ill try to redo it from memory. My advice is to stay away from Hellfire books for now until somebody figures out what the hell is going on with Eamonn. What I do know is this; in early 2019 he suddenly stopped excepting paypal (my guess is they dumped him over too many complaints/tickets opened up over items not received, but this is simply speculation on my part). He then switched to worldpay who offer no warranty or guarantee on payments made through their service. They are simply a facilitator for the order/payment. It was around this same time that he stopped sending my orders to me. I have spent thousands of dollars at hellfire over the years, and never had an issue with him.
Upon doing some digging, I found out he is being sued over breach of contract by the Alex Sanders wicca group over the Alex Sanders notebook. (I wont post the link here, as I'm not 100% sure of Paul's rules on stuff like that, its easy to find Google it. (Its a youtube vid).
I also know the C.O.T.O threatened to sue him over the material contained in Amor Divina. I have no idea whats going on with that, other than he got an email directly from the C.O.T.O telling him in no uncertain terms to "cease and desist" publishing that book, which Eamonn proceeded to laugh about, and send copies of the email to the people on Hellfire's mailing list.
If you go to Hellfires Facebook page, there is literally hundreds of comments that he's has hidden from view. Some of them you can still see, and as you may have already guessed they are complaints from people who didn't receive their books and have gotten zero help from support.
My last order from hellfire was sometime in April, and was for over $600.00 USD. I waited almost 4 months and sent at least 10 emails to 3 of hellfire's different email accounts. None of which were answered. This is when I began to look into what was going on, and found out he's ripping loads of people off. That coupled with the fact he's being sued by the Alex Sanders group prompted me to go directly to my credit card company who I used to make the payment through worldpay and see what could be done. They opened up a "Order not received" claim, and the payments were reversed.
Interestingly enough, some people are still receiving their orders from him. I've managed to get a few that were released later this year I really wanted through resellers. If I happen to come across any more info, ill be sure to share it here. Paul, I apologize if I've broken any rules with this post, I just figured if this info helps anyone from getting scammed, than it was worth it to put him on blast.
AMTH wrote everything I might have written on a follow up with the exception of the legal issues.
Hell Fire lost their Pay Pal Account and this was replaced with their World Card Pay. Upon using World Card, I never got an e-mail receipt listing the items ordered only an e-mail receipt of the amount charge. This might be the issue why nothing gets shipped if a receipt listing the items order is not being processed correctly. Nor could he provide services to get my email address to work as an account login. Nor would he ever correspond with me by email or facebook.
I did cancel my order and my credit card company policy is a 5 month window from the date of the transaction. Fortunately, I can order some of the items through reliable Miskatonic Books.
While I can let this go, maybe Hell Fire Club Books can recover.
"AMTH wrote everything I might have written on a follow up with the exception of the legal issues".
The only reason I mentioned the legal issues is it may be the reason things are falling apart at Hellfire. Again, this is only speculation on my part, and all my dealings with Eamonn up until this point were fine. I always received what I ordered, and he always answered any emails I sent him.
"I never got an e-mail receipt listing the items ordered only an e-mail receipt of the amount charge. This might be the issue why nothing gets shipped if a receipt listing the items order is not being processed correctly".
I had also thought of this, but if you check your account at Hellfire, it does show any recent orders you've made. Unfortunately, I think Mr Loughran has taken to fleecing his smaller customers out of their $$. I'd like to think this is not the case, but looking at all the details together, it seems that this is the only reasonable answer. Or he's incapacitated and some rogue has taken control of Hellfire.
Long time,..no post.
- it took me a while to remember my password.
Good information thanks
i ordered before with no problem.
i ordered a book, in August....
FB messenger. No replies.
No book still.
(Liber Pyramidos - basic edition which i think they would have shelf stock of...)
Glad i am not alone.
ah looks like i used Worldpay too....
Adding my own experience here: I always received all the book I ordered, even with some significant delays from time to time.
I tended to consider myself fortunate, and then over 2019 e.v. I was hit by a series of incoherent messages on Facebook by Eamonn Loughrann himself, who inferred that me and my good friend Clive Harper (both ex O.T.O. now, and both involved in the slowly restructuring of Ecclesia Gnostica Universalis) were somewhat at the helm of a sprawling conspiracy of some sorts.
Still have the screenshots.
I can only infer that Mr. Loughrann is not exactly doing well on the side of mental health, and that likely is the reason why his business is so sloppy (to say the least).
I've been in contact with another seller who I'll leave nameless. They have had dealings with Eamonn many times over the years, and there's always an excuse. This is the story as was told to be by them; apparently Eamonn does this all the time. Everything is fine for a while, then he starts to rip off buyers and has copyright issues with authors who he doesn't pay, or simply just steals the content from and publishes it (O.T.O, Alex Sanders group are 2 he's having issues with right now). When the gig is up, he goes into hiding. When he thinks its safe he'll pop his head out, and it all starts again. Wash rinse repeat. He's had so many chargebacks for fraud, Paypal refuses to do business with him now. I'm beginning to think he may have a drug problem, and maybe that's where the paranoia is coming from you mentioned.
Thanks for that. I think the bit about the drug problem was unnecessary.
I think the bit about the drug problem was unnecessary.
Yes, drugs could be part/all of this cyclic problem. But then there's always the possibility of psychological disorders, physical illness, moon cycles, remnants of the Mayan calendar, or premenstrual syndrome.
Without actual evidence, such as blood tests, ephemerii consultation, and/or competent medical, dental, and vision evaluation, no one can really say what's the cause.
It was simply speculation on my part as a result of his extremely erratic behavior over 2019. Perhaps it was poorly chosen. I meant no offense.
Hi. I ordered a copy of THE VISION AND THE VOICE (Ltd Edition) on December 3 and never received it. Both of HELLFIRECLUB's eMail address have been disconnected. One cannot contact them. The Website says the Books are "in stock." I doubt if I'll ever get the Books or my money back. R. Haynes
@rhanes Hey mate. Contact your credit card company, and file a report for "item not received". They will reverse the charges and institiute a fraud charge back against him. He has now been dropped by worldpay, as well as paypal, and set up payments through stripe. Every company that drops this asshole for fraud chargebacks is another avenue closed to him for ripping innocent book buyers off. He deserves nothing less than to be outed and shunned by the entire community.
A shame really as his editions really are beautiful. I have the THELEMA box set and Little Essays Towards Truth, but both bought from Miskatonic Books (Great company).
Here's hoping he can recover from his issues and refund people. If he is unwilling then damn him for a dog.