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the_real_simon_iff
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Posted by: @damien

I don't have any interest in bringing down the OTO.

Exactly what I wrote. But I was answering a question as to why people are buying and "believing" RTC's crap books because that is what he claims these books will do. They won't of course.

They'll do that (and are currently at it) all by themselves and sooner than imagined.

That may or may not be true, also depending of what that imagined "soon" means. But anyway, it will have nothing to do with RTC's books.

But, the more light shed on just how much of all of the things that are taken so seriously are actually lies and fabrications, the better.

That is of course true for everything, but again, RTC's works so far did not shed any light. In the beginning good questions were asked (questions that were discussed here long before RTC joined), then light was promised, light was faked, and so far (we are talking about a decade here) nothing was achieved.

That's no sooner coming from RTC than it is from the OTO.

We'll see, but yeah, RTC's claims will play no role in this - so far hypothetical - scenario.

I realize how easy I sound like an OTO apologist, but I have no agenda in this, I am and never was a member, I am strictly scrutinizing RTC's claims. And the OTO (or OTOs) of course play(s) a big part in Aleister Crowley's cultural and magical ideas and impact, and that is exactly what this website is after.


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And while were at it, for those of you who don't use Fecebook here the pathetic post he just published there:

"On mocking the afflicted...

If there’s anything more tragic than crusty has-beens sacrificing half a forest to prop-up their limitless vanity and egos, it’s the pathetic sight of a handful of fossilised never-beens desperately attempting to convince themselves of residual signs of life.
 
Some mischievous imp dropped a copy of ‘666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus’ into the stagnant pond of Lashtalk. The resulting panic was akin to opening the curtains on a slumbering nest of geriatric vampires and reminiscent of listening to an Abe Simpson senility monologue on the ‘good old days.’ –
 
“Well, back then we were all veils of innermost light, beyond form, and Choronzon, who feareth all things, chased us through the Abyss of Great Work towards NEMO’s speakeasy cafe of praeterhuman initiation, where secret chiefs and hidden masters expounded the sacred mysteries of our seating arrangements. Frater Sol and Frater U.D., with a conclave of Egyptian Adeptus’ and Exemptus’, changed not the shape of latter whilst pontificating on IXº Wuwei void burgers served by Qliphothic Aethers who doth perceive the knowest and the needeth and hath blah, blah, blah, blah...”
 
People stopped talking like this in the 17th century, when they realised how ridiculous, pompous and meaningless it all sounded! Is this a sexual thing? Is all this pseudo Biblical babble the only way these decrepit hold-outs can raise a tingle in their sack-cloth pants?
If ever the big cheezy chief Lashtalker escapes from his self-inflicted incarceration down the nether regions of Bilious Wheeze’s colonic sanctum he’ll be horrified at the embarrassing shambles to which his once-great forum has atrophied and flush the decomposing remains down the nearest toilet - Wiping his arse on the limitless light of his “Definitive guide to the Cairo Working,” which, as his nightmares probably acknowledge, is not so much ‘lacking impactfulness,’ as plain wrong, with the seal of approval embossed by Wheeze a kiss of certain death. For ‘seven reasons why the ottos are doomed,’ see Lashtalk.
 
P.S. Last one out please remove that lad from the box, because he must be initiated by now!"

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He has gone right round the bend i guess. The gratuitous rudeness towards Paul is puzzling.

I guess those rumors about @therealrtc being kept in four-point restraints at that "special facility" near Dagenham must be given more credence than i had thought.


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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

“Well, back then we were all veils of innermost light, beyond form, and Choronzon, who feareth all things, chased us through the Abyss of Great Work towards NEMO’s speakeasy cafe of praeterhuman initiation, where secret chiefs and hidden masters expounded the sacred mysteries of our seating arrangements. Frater Sol and Frater U.D., with a conclave of Egyptian Adeptus’ and Exemptus’, changed not the shape of latter whilst pontificating on IXº Wuwei void burgers served by Qliphothic Aethers who doth perceive the knowest and the needeth and hath blah, blah, blah, blah...”

Well, this at least implies he's been reading the forums.

 

and using the classic tactic of making something up if you don't have anything legitimate to mock people for. 


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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Exactly what I wrote. But I was answering a question as to why people are buying and "believing" RTC's crap books because that is what he claims these books will do. They won't of course.

I wasn't butting heads and I agree about RTC. As I have said before, his was the only book I have ever returned. 

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

That may or may not be true, also depending of what that imagined "soon" means. But anyway, it will have nothing to do with RTC's books.

My measure is subjective. Membership seems stagnant. They'll likely coast on until I am long gone. And, as you said, whatever the outcome it will have nothing to do with RTC's books.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

That is of course true for everything, but again, RTC's works so far did not shed any light. In the beginning good questions were asked (questions that were discussed here long before RTC joined), then light was promised, light was faked, and so far (we are talking about a decade here) nothing was achieved.

And it's a shame, because I think the likelihood of AL having been either faked (written instead of revealed) or written on different days than celebrated is highly likely. 


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Posted by: @katrice

Well, this at least implies he's been reading the forums.

 

and using the classic tactic of making something up if you don't have anything legitimate to mock people for. 

He certainly is.


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I would like to mock everybody who ever believed in RTC. Not as a person - he's probably real - but in his mission. But mocking words fail me, so I'll just leave the two qualities that have been present from the first book: aggressiveness and condescension.

I have decided to call this syndrome The Bull in the Chinese Shop Marketing Plan.

 


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Posted by: @ignant666

The gratuitous rudeness towards Paul is puzzling.

Unfortunately it's not. He's obnoxious towards anyone not taken in by his crap.

I remember many years ago a poster named Carrot_Childe popped up. The persona was of a gob on a stick, but without the subtlety and intellect. Someone – Paul I think it was – realised that Carrot_Childe was an anagram of Richard T. Cole. Rather than simply saying "yea, guv, I admit it's me", Carrot_Childe simply insisted that no, he wasn't Cole  until even he gave up the ghost.

Cle's line is poisonous invective is impressive as a type, and to be a target of such invective is a badge of honour. On the other hand, he'll likely get round to most of us sooner or later, so perhaps not.


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I am fairly extensively denounced in eLGMOR, and indeed consider it an honor.

Making fun of people because their name rhymes with "cheesy", when your own name rhymes with "troll", seems a poorly thought-out attack, but no surprise there.

And as i recall, something to do with that whole Carrot Childe kerfuffle led Paul to decide not to publish his Cairo book, which is unfortunate.


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Posted by: @ignant666

a poorly thought-out attack

Perhaps not "thought-out" at all - just an expression of childhood trauma at age 4.

 


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Posted by: @ignant666

I am fairly extensively denounced in eLGMOR, and indeed consider it an honor.

Well, I am the guy that became Briliious Wheeze's (or whatever "funny" name he came up for Wiliam Breeze) fanboy and lovetoy or whatever, with a private suite at (not yet even remotely finished) Boleskine House.

But honestly, being a movie title and graphic designer for 35 years I think I might be mostly repelled by his claim (on LinkedIn) to be a graphic designer, because honestly his "graphic designs" in his books (and there are a lot of them, they probably make up a third of his excretions) suck extremely, even more than his attempts at "retouching/faking stuff" in his books (which is kind of a speciality of mine). And they suck since twenty years or so, when he started his career in publishing ripping of PR Koenig`s works through his Naughty Nun CDs. I have been feeding this troll with information for years and I am really sorry what became of that.

Just trying to get him back here with becoming a little more personal. Maybe it works, dickhead Dick!

 


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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I am the guy that became Briliious Wheeze's (or whatever "funny" name he came up for Wiliam Breeze) fanboy and lovetoy or whatever, with a private suite at (not yet even remotely finished) Boleskine House.

And to think I never knew! 😆 

My review is pretty much done. May post it later or not at all. I endeavored to steer clear of all the buzz around RTC and his previous books and read the material as if I were discovering it on a bookshelf in my pre-internet days of collecting anything I could get my hands pertaining to Crowley-although I found myself gravitating back toward the present climate of conversation, if only because of all the wind-up (for a year) around The Horus Toy from the author himself. 

 

 


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

And to think I never knew!

Your not the only one, Kyle. I don't think any of us had an inkling of the awful truth about Lutz.


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

My review is pretty much done. May post it later or not at all.  

I can't speak for anyone else but I would love to read it!


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

My review is pretty much done. May post it later or not at all.

Well, I for one I hope you do post it, if only because the book has climbed down on my reading list because of ignant's review and it will take a while before I will read it myself.


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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

... his claim (on LinkedIn) to be a graphic designer, because honestly his "graphic designs" in his books (and there are a lot of them, they probably make up a third of his excretions) suck extremely ...

Oh. You noticed.

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May post it later or not at all.

It only takes one more peer review to send the jusy out for deliberation. If you withhold your review, you may be branded a "domestic terrorist." Please proceed or get off the pot (isn't it illegal in your jurisdiction?), so the next peer can take a P[erdurabo].

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I can't speak for anyone else but I would love to read it!

I give you permission as my attorney-in-fact to speak for me on this matter - but no financial transactions, including gambling, are authorized by this Assignment.


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Posted by: @shiva

If you withhold your review, you may be branded a "domestic terrorist."

Queen of Heaven forbid!

RTC's “666, Sex & The New Aeon of Horus,” a partial review:

 

Reviewing this book immediately presents me with several challenges, even before cracking the cover. There has been so much wind-up from RTC around the so-called “Horus Toy” that its revelation is almost guaranteed to disappoint. Anything short of a radionic device which can summon Spirits to indisputable and undeniable visible appearance on youtube for all to behold has been doomed to words of derision if, for no other reason, than the prolonged promotion of the “Toy” as the most potent and powerful thing our evolving race could ever witness and wield since we crawled out of the cosmic soup.

 

Another challenge is the general audience for this review. It's not a big one and is mostly comprised of people Cole has insulted, trolled or fallen out with. My “readers” are already in a position of hostility and return mockery with regards to the author. Anything short of lampooning this latest offering from the “Magicole Hair” seems pre-primed for mockery itself.

 

Such things being the case, I've endeavored to ignore all such considerations and offer as fair a review as I can. These days I want to enjoy what I read and find some value therein. And so-to begin-I put myself into a place I was years and years ago, when I haunted used bookstores and enthusiastically scarfed up anything I could get my hands on that had to do with Crowley or related topics. I was discovering many new authors, topics and it was all quite exciting for this enthusiastic noob. This was before the internet. I didn't and couldn't know anything about the authors I was reading save for the brief bios on the backs of books. I was building a library which was fueling my imagination and AC was “Top of the Pops.” Were I to have found this book on those old wooden shelves, I would have seized it as a new treasure. I would have also found it a most fascinating read. I would have never heard of “Sneeze Magic” (which I would have set out to try my hand...er, nose...at) and the attack on AC's official narrative I would have found startling and of great interest. I'm sure I would have also been impressed with the snarky humor leveled against the authoritarianism of the “Great Beast.”

 

As it goes, I'm now quite a different guy. But I DO want to enjoy the books I read. So my past and present selves come together to crack open “666.”

 

I'll note that RTC devotes the opening page of this book to the memory of his friend Steven William Ashe. I don't think this is something he would do with a book that was intended to merely troll or deceive. We can think what we will as to the contents of “666” but I do feel that he is offering the summation of his Path as a type of Magnum Opus. For Ignant, this equals “crap.” I wouldn't necessarily assess it as such-but then I haven't been mocked and insulted by Cole like Ignant has. Were that to have been the case, I think my own inclination would be to summarily dismiss whatever is presented in this book. Just being honest. No one likes being mocked and trolled. It doesn't exactly drum up respect for any endeavor unveiled around the corner.

 

I actually think Ignant is much bigger than that and that he has a legit stance in noting that RTC makes bold claims only to skip off without putting up the proof.

 

But let's set all that aside for just a moment and get into “666.”

 

WHAT is going on here?

 

As I continue to make my plodding way through the pages of this book, it seems to follow the “Theory & Practice” format we've seen in works such as Levi's Transcendental Magic, Crowley's MITP and Carroll's Liber Kaos, followed by the varied contents of its appendix.

 

Cole's Theory can be presented by citing just a few of his statements:

 

“On the Spring Equinox of 1904...Crowley's Magickal essence penetrated the Cosmic Womb and glimpsed the foetus of a gestating New Aeon.”

 

This breakthrough, according to Cole, is super powered by the energies condensed and then released with the help of his Wife and Waiter breaking-or indulging in-taboo. Cole wishes to note that such activity was not only shocking to polite society but carried potential criminal charges and draconian punishment. There were all kinds of risks circling about Crowley's sexual compulsions. The intensity of it all caused a certain state of mind whereby Crowley could peer into the next level of human evolution as it was about to erupt at ground zero of its inauguration. Of course other factors were at play as well, including Crowley's ego and ambition (and, most notably, according to Cole, Crowley's “psychological trauma”), to create the perfect storm. Everything lined up and Crowley was projected through the Gateway.

 

Just because Crowley witnessed and was bombarded by the energies of this event does not mean he comprehended it. And so he spent his whole life trying to reconcile himself to it, all the while pursuing his neurotic needs and cultivating his faltering religion of “Thelema” (founded upon the faked reception of Liber AL). In the end, Crowley got super close to the heart of what he had witnessed but was just too stuck in the Old Aeon to fully grasp it. According to Cole, he remains the most significant human being in history because of his encounter but was also a charlatan and a trainwreck of a person.

 

OK, so what exactly did he see or experience and fail to grasp? Here's where Cole has some interesting things to say:

 

“The Horus Toy navigates to a nexus at the base of consciousness, where all minds meet and the totality of existence becomes reduced to an infinitely malleable Quantum singularity-formerly described as the pinnacle of the Holy Mountain, mons Abiegnus, Nirvana, or the fabled Abyss” p. 26

 

“At the deepest layer of human consciousness is a singularity from which flows an abstraction of the totality of the extant universe...if an individual is able to project his, her, or (in the New Aeon of Horus) whatever 'Will' down through increasingly fluid strata of reality, to a point at which everything exists only as a Quantum potential, then global change is possible.” p. 50

 

“Anyone able to project a single idea to the event horizon of individual sensory capability inherently connects with the totality of existence.” p. 52

 

He goes on to discuss the various ways in which consciousness may be altered and directed to successfully make this projection:

 

“Each technique generates a 'mind-bomb' (a Magickal pebble) which is driven down through increasingly abstract and fluid levels of consciousness (water) by means of orgasm, or sheer physical trauma, to a point at which the entire universe exists as an infinitely malleable singularity.” p. 56

 

This picture of the universe (and how to create and drop the “mind-bomb”) seems to be what RTC thinks Crowley got close to but missed. Cole will go on to describe techniques for impacting the universe at that “increasingly fluid strata of reality” by inducing the singularity in consciousness.

 

I think this is all “so far, so good.” The outlook here is close to my own with its description of an emanative universe which can be hacked and reverse-engineered. It is, however, not unique to Cole and was already well-established when Crowley himself entered the scene and learned of the “Qabalah.” It was known to the Gnostics, Pythagoreans and others.

 

Cole does look at a modern and present day “gear-shift” (with reference to the Supernal Triad and its paths) where the female and male polarities of the Aeons of Isis and Osiris are pushed aside to make way for Horus. In Horus, the individual may ascend directly from Tiphareth to Kether. This newly opened route would seem to allow for the individual to select gender at Will, no longer being polarized to one side of the Tree or another. Cole seems to mock the gender dysphoria of our modern age while at the same time recognizing it as symptomatic of the pubescent phase of the Aeon. This can become confusing. I will guess that making the duality of genders mutable implies ALL dualities melting down as the Aeon progresses.

 

How does one make this leap or “gear-shift?”

 

With the “Horus Toy.”

 

In the pages of this book, we are offered “The Horus Toy Lite” with promise of the fully functioning machine to come with the next book.

 

Cole writes:

 

“I glimpsed the basic mechanism by which paranormal incidents occur and visualized a physical device capable of mimicking this set of external and internal environments, to order.” p. 29

 

At this point, I am questioning whether or not there is any physical machine, as such, which has ever been constructed. Cole says he VISUALIZED a physical device. He then describes things one can do with the external and internal environment to induce a paranormal event.

 

Now, if one wants a handheld device to perform the same functions as sculpting ones bedspread while cultivating sexual obsessions, one likely already has it. It's called a cellphone. It's even connected 24/7 to the WWW, Vau-Vau-Vau or 666 (quite “Horusian,” yes?).

 

But going back to the techniques...these seem to be very awkward ways to drop the “Magickal pebble.” By contrast, Ken Wilbur stopped his brain waves in what, a few seconds? Neville Goddard would always lead his audience in the simplest of meditations: “Now...let us enter the Silence.” In that silence, one would drop all other thoughts and rest in the I AM CONSCIOUSNESS which is the unconditioned state of pure awareness. Unconditioned by ideas of division or anything other than its own self-awareness, that mind is the “base of consciousness where all minds meet.” From THIS Silence, the Imagination proceeds and issues its FIAT.

 

On one hand, Cole identifies the Old Aeon techniques for achieving this state as blunt, brutal and unnecessary when compared to the Horus Toy (contrasting the now defunct “extreme physical trauma” with a preferable “psychological shock”). On the other hand, his own techniques feel cumbersome and potentially psychologically damaging when compared with the straight to the top simplicity of Neville and others.

 

I am not meaning to imply that one shouldn't tinker with techniques and experiment with exercises. Rather, I am saying that if the big objective is to splash down-or UP-through all that strata to the singular point back of everything-and set a rock in it like a slingshot-there doesn't seem to be much difference between the duvet with its anticipated “shock” and the orgasmic window of that “Old Aeon” sex magick which is now “abrogate.”

 

The bedspread isn't an upgrade. We have previously looked at the Chaos Magic “Whack, Wish and Wipe” technique. Grant Morrison enticed his readership to do just this in the editorial column of The Invisibles to keep the series running. Did this title run to its amazing climax because its fans got off to the sigil Grant gave them-or was it something else? Here we digress into the question as to why the Magical Masturbators of the world aren't all fabulously wealthy.

 

RTC returns to this basic idea. Orgasm gets you into NO-MIND and from the NO-MIND you can reincarnate back into mind and seed its strata with your desire. And, of course, the manifestation of this is a paranormal experience.

 

If the success rates were good, Cole's claims regarding the Horus Toy would be as justified as Crowley's claims regarding sex magic.

 

I don't have any doubt that RTC made a magical maneuver, as he relates, and had his paranormal experience. Just as Crowley did, RTC is working to assimilate his own experience. It is my opinion that the Reality Tunnel of AC is a hindrance to RTC at this point. Crowley needs to be thrown off. After all, if AC hadn't created the “perfect storm” and launched into the Aeon's womb, so what? RTC himself has said that the Aeon would have gone rolling over us all. The fact that there was a “witness” is, ergo, without consequence. He's NOT significant. His viewing of the Fetus in utero didn't slow, stop or otherwise affect the Birth. It was not necessary for there to be any “Prophet.”

 

So who cares?

 

At this point, my review is tending toward a “critique.” I have more to say in this regard but will end here.

 

If there is one RTC book one ought have, this is it. His view of the Aeons is very interesting. I even wrote to him with alert to what I thought was a typo. First paragraph of the book where he refers to the eight-millenia Aeon of Osiris. EIGHT??? I thought it was TWO? Nope. Cole has a longer view with regards to how the Aeons have unfolded-and how AC tried to make them work in a convenient scheme beneficial to his personal ambition.

 

If this New Aeon is in its Pubescent State, we are all waking up into what we will become. This isn't the Aeon of Mom or Dad but the Kid. WE decide our fate. WE explore and decide the method. If the sneeze jumps us ahead on the board so be it. If we roll with Crowley, it's own decision. If we reject him, OK, then.

 

Personally, I tend toward the Blake-Goddard trip. I have no need to decry JESUS who is the HUMAN IMAGINATION. I love Liber AL but my KJV Scofield Study Bible is an ever fruitful Map. If “Thelemites” don't like it, so what? But in my world, it's kind of like the cover of Sgt. Peppers. I don't need to have war between Masters or Schools. I'm quite fond of the scene in The Invisibles where it is declared that this isn't a War...it's a Rescue Mission!

 

I've not read ALL of “666” but this will comprise my “review” just the same. The suspicions and theories around AC seem sensible but don't have the evidence to haul into court. The general picture of the world or magical universe is interesting but is also expressed in various other systems. The Practices might have some result but they aren't “new” and I don't feel they are the most efficacious path. I have expressed this before but I feel that one ought cultivate the enlargement of consciousness whereby the Siddhis naturally unfold. It is a much harder path to seek the Siddhis and grapple with the path to power.

 

I'll look forward to RTC's next book. My breath is not held. I don't really care about the “Horus Toy.” But I AM interested in his experience and his story. Note that my citations from his book regarding the singularity did not rely on anything Crowley wrote. I do hope he will, indeed, write The Paranormal Decided and present his vision of what this human life is about without reference to AC.

 

In the meantime, “666” is a decent read. It doesn't deliver on the grandiose claims but that's RTC's fault for making them. It's an interesting and thought provoking book. We learn from each other when we are honest and open. We are all shooting for the same goal: the realization of WILL. More so than the previous books I've read from Richard, this presents a picture of a human reaching for the goal.

 

Does he hit it?

 

Well, what did Browning say?

 

“Man's reach should exceed his grasp. Else what's a Heaven for-?”

 

In conclusion, I have no agenda with this review. I have enjoyed the book thus far. No, the duvet thing is weird. I don't think it's a practical or healthy thing for the modern magician. What is the theory behind it? Pump up the Sex Engine and direct it. OK. Does this depend upon physical prowess? Has old crumpled Crowley in Hastings been had? What happens when the embodied human dies? The THEORY section of “666” points towards something beyond a return to the juvenile days of horned up infatuation. All this rutting life burns out and collapses into the grave. So what, then? If the “Horus Toy” evokes the deceased in a moment of paranormal return then what does it mean for the deceased? Do the dead flip the switch on the “Toy” (being divested of body bits and all)? Or is it the living who run the show with weird jerk off games?

 

“666” is a curious book. I am, personally, always interested in people, their stories and experience. If the Art interests me, the person behind does, as well. There is a lot here about RTC (including interview material). Because of the nature and direction of all of this, I would like to see Richard testify to his own Spiritual and Magical Life without any reference to AC. Yes, AC is a big part of what has impacted his development but now is the time to let it go and speak to the Aeon Itself.

 

Do I recommend this book? To folks like Katrice, yes (based on previous expressions of interest or curiosity). It is a “compendium” of RTC's writings and certainly gets into his views on the Aeon. Others will not be impressed at all. Do not expect anything of note to be said about the “Toy.” This book does not offer anything like an easy four step guide to inducing the paranormal. Cole's theories and picture of the “Universe” IS of interest. But he seems hung up on AC (while accusing others of being so ). As much as I have been impacted and influenced by AC-and admire and find him fascinating-I would be OK as a spiritual being with only Blake, the Bible and Neville. Whether or not AC was truthful, what his hang-ups were etc is beside the point. Per Cole's own admission, whether AC even existed or not, is beside the point and reality of the Aeon.

 

I may have more to add as I continue reading this book (and there may be pages I have yet to encounter which will answer some of my critique) but this is my immediate response to what I've read so far.


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Thanks @kidneyhawk for this review. The book will not climb higher on my reading list but when I come to it I hope I can be as open minded as you were. This will not be easy because of all what happened but I will give it a try. I am not surprised that all the promises and hype he made and created aren't met at the least, but if you say that this is a book worth reading, I'll come to that. Thanks.


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@kidneyhawk that is quite an interesting review. I didn't realize it was an actual book. 

 

Just been listening to "What Magic Is This?" with their podcast with RTC, one thing I find so remarkably strange (if not just cognitive dissonance) is how RTC on one hand is trying his best to say 'Liber Legis is bullshit, there is no Aiwass, it's just later fabrication', yet later on goes on to proclaim the genius, truth and living reality of the Aeon of Horus and the cosmological outline of the Crowned & Conquering child. 

Previously from reading Liber Bogus, my impression that he was just some 'new atheist' type trying to 'debunk' Thelema and Liber Legis, but it seems his slant is a lot more odd and frankly interesting, even if I don't find a lot of his arguments surrounding Legis and it's reception to be convincing refutations of the 'official version'. 

"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62


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Queen of Heaven forbid!

She forbids it. I have just examined the unbelievable length of your report and find that I must go forth and perform functions, some of which involve giving the dogs their nighty-treat (it cleans their teeth). Then I will return and face the typographic terror ... [he goes forth] ...

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the general audience for this review. It's not a big one and is mostly comprised of people Cole has insulted, trolled or fallen out with.

Gilty as charged on a credit card. Let there only be a few of my servants, and let them become invisible.

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“At the deepest layer of human consciousness is a singularity from which flows an abstraction of the totality of the extant universe.

Yes, yes. This is Atma (51) - co-equal with I Am (51). Since it's a singularity, RTC is describing the qualities of Kether. I agree with the quotations, so far, except it seems that The Horus Toy "navigates" toward this singularity. If we need a Toy, with or without the TM, then we're not doing it ourselves, are we? If The Horus Toy is anything in form, then we are dealing with intellectual fraud. Since the Toy is not described, the entire monologue is meaningless.

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“Each technique generates a 'mind-bomb' (a Magickal pebble) which is driven down through increasingly abstract and fluid levels of consciousness (water) by means of orgasm, or sheer physical trauma, to a point at which the entire universe exists as an infinitely malleable singularity.” p. 56

The "mind-bomb" is experienced by anyone whose dharana is steady enough to merge into dhyana. Yeah, orgasm and physical trauma can do it. My own experiences are sometimes involved in medical emergencies. The thing is, this infinitely malleable" singularity. My own experiences usually find "me" in the malleable state - Malleating anything is not a consideration.

It should be noted that the singularity (Kether) is unstable (to human consciousness). The 2=0 thing. The Ipsissimus is defined as "having no Will in any direction. So why would he/she want to change anything, since they simply accept what is? The cosmic aspirant finally moves from One into None. RTC speaks of nirvana, but he does not remain there ... he encourages changing things. Anytime he wants to formally declare himself a Magus, he'll have the self-inflicted authority to show us how it's done. But if he's attained to the singularity (Kether. Monad.), then he's a self-declared Ip, and he's got no business telling us anything ... unless he drops down to 9=2 and shows us a thing or two.

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I think this is all “so far, so good.”

Actually, yeah, the script is synced with how things seem to be (except for needing an undescribed Toy to make it work).

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How does one make this leap or “gear-shift?”   With the “Horus Toy.”   In the pages of this book, we are offered “The Horus Toy Lite” with promise of the fully functioning machine to come with the next book.

Aha!  Now we come to the crutch and the disappointment.

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one would drop all other thoughts and rest in the I AM CONSCIOUSNESS which is the unconditioned state of pure awareness. Unconditioned by ideas of division or anything other than its own self-awareness

Um, yeah, that one. Why would it want/will to do something?

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I've not read ALL of “666” but this will comprise my “review” just the same.

Thank you very much. If you discover any termas (like "proofs" or more details on the TM Toy, please post an Addendum to your extensive Review.

 


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Reading that reminded me a little of Preston Nichols's Montauk Project books. 

Which, incidentally, also involve Amado Crowley.

And several other Montauk books mention Crowley, Parsons, Cameron, to cite a few. They are woven into the tale of gov intrigue, but not as direct participants.

@Katrice it is Peter Moon & Preston Nichols. 

Anyway, I was getting similar vibes. RTC's schtick is becoming more uncanny to Amado as well the more I read it. It's the same premise, except RTC spends more time trying to debunk Liber Legis and obviously doesn't claim to be a descendent of Crowley.

 

If anything, RTC is an odd composite-deity of these people's schticks combined with a little more emphasis on the 'Crowley big bad' line but pushed far towards both Amado's "here's techniques to change your life" and Peter Moon's Time travel.

Yet, within the frame of Paul Weston's (whom I love and respect) "Aleister Crowley And The Aeon Of Horus", I feel that all of these anomalous characters can be made better sense of. RTC is the Montauk-Amado lovechild, that is settled. 

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Actually this has me thinking, to put RTC on a particular spectrum we've got people such as: 

  • Amado Crowley ("Uncle AL is a fraud and my daddy, but here's cashgrab self-help books")
  • Peter Moon/Preston Nichols (mainly the alternate history angle and the Horus Toy/Time Travel comparison)
  • Robert Anton Wilson (a Thelemic fan-favorite skeptic-about-everything mystic)
  • Peter Grey (a comparison I noticed given his sour view towards Liber Legis itself and rejects it but the way he elevates the Vision & the Voice and it's importance, but that is in light of a different context being Babalon)

"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
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Posted by: @katrice

Reading that reminded me a little of Preston Nichols's Montauk Project books. Which, incidentally, also involve Amado Crowley.

fraterihsan replies - And several other Montauk books mention Crowley, Parsons, Cameron, to cite a few.

Yes, the entire Montauk series (including at least 3 authors (Nichols, Moon, Swerdlow) and assorted parallel authors who quote them (Cassidy, et al).

Crowley, and many of his associates/students, appear throughout the books ... as walk-on guests. They are all wound up, and woven into, this mind-blowing (Montauk) series. That is, Crowley visited Montauk ... he did not build it or go underground to perform ceremonies (at least it's not writ that he did). Nevertheless, the whole gang is right there, sitting on the edge, carrying genetic signatures in their DNA (as represented by their last names) that somehow links them into the grid (like Cameron and Wilson).

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RTC spends more time trying to debunk Liber Legis and obviously doesn't claim to be a descendent of Crowley.

He flouts the tile, The Magicole Hair. Whether he's descended or not, he is obviously claiming to be "next." There is getting to be a long line of nexts and followers and cometh afterers forming up ... one of these days, they'll all go down to the Colosseum, and we can watch the winner emerge.

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f anything, RTC is an odd composite-deity of these people's schticks ...

You appear to be hesitant in accepting the Montauk schtick. Is it your opinion that this is all made-up?

 


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Meh, various people have been thinking of Quantum stuff as possibly connected with Magick for a while now, it's a pretty obvious conjecture at the pop-science level that, supposing Magick is real, it might work by bringing another quantum possibility (than was the likely one, had the world toddled along without your interference) into existence. Even Marvel movies have gotten into the schtick.

I mean, as a conjecture, it seems kind of vaguely plausible, but I think you'd have to know a lot more about the science beyond that superficial level, to be able to speak with any confidence on the matter - and you'd also have to be highly experienced in this here tradition, or other analogous ones.

The single, sufficient response to this sort of stuff is, "If you're so clever, how come you ain't rich?" 🙂


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In case anyone might have doubted that The Magicole Hair lurks among us, reading every single word posted about him, note that @therealrtc "liked" @kidneyhawk's review above.


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Posted by: @gurugeorge

The single, sufficient response to this sort of stuff is, "If you're so clever, how come you ain't rich?"

It is rumored that the richest people on the planet have been silently clever for a long time.

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note that @therealrtc "liked" @kidneyhawk's review above.

I didn't even notice we had "like" butt-ons. However, your observation is noted - it will form Exhibit 73B(c) in the roceedings.


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It should be noted that the singularity (Kether) is unstable (to human consciousness). The 2=0 thing. The Ipsissimus is defined as "having no Will in any direction. So why would he/she want to change anything, since they simply accept what is? The cosmic aspirant finally moves from One into None. RTC speaks of nirvana, but he does not remain there ... he encourages changing things. Anytime he wants to formally declare himself a Magus, he'll have the self-inflicted authority to show us how it's done. But if he's attained to the singularity (Kether. Monad.), then he's a self-declared Ip, and he's got no business telling us anything ... unless he drops down to 9=2 and shows us a thing or two.

We may also ask why Crowley, after becoming/attaining/witnessing Ip-ness also continued to write, teach, preach and so on (and why and how he “dropped back down-or in, as it were).

 

When I first read of the Ip having no Will in any direction I was as baffled as I was when I first read that “Void is Form” in the Heart Sutra. After all, Crowley's big emphasis was finding and doing the WILL. It seemed to my little brain that the system was saying “You're not doing this, do it, now stop doing it.”

 

Does not doing after having done make the next phase of not doing better than the first?

 

Of course, I was viewing the whole thing from a linear standpoint.

 

Later on, I would begin to understand the Grades (just like the Sephiroth) relating to each other in a grand simultaneity. One doesn't really “attain” to Ip (any more than one “attains” to Tao”). Trungpa observed this in Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. If one “attains” to something, one can also lose that very thing. He was speaking of Bodhichitta which is Eternal and cannot be diminished. We may seem to come and go, enter and depart, but that Perfect Reality remains. This state we may regard as the Ipsissimaic State of Being-or Non-Being (or that which is both and beyond etc).

 

Whence does Will arise in the first place? Where has this thing called “Will” come from? It is born of the Void. The Void has no “Will” and yet it gives birth to Will and is one with that Will. So there IS a relationship between Will and the (Will-less) “Ipsissimaic State” (just as there is the paradoxical relationship between Form and Void).

 

This all reminds me of one of my favorite passages ever from the late Kenneth Grant:

 

“The reason why we create such a universe of name and form is as inexplicable as why the artist paints his pictures. It may be sheer joy; a compulsion springing from unknown depths; it may be that as art is the nature of the artist, so also the production of name and form is the nature of the mind. And so events, peopled with infinite individual and illusory selves, unfold upon the screen of the One Consciousness and imagine a cycle of life and death, until there is realization by these illusory selves of the real substratum of their evanescent being.

 

“It should be remembered that such an answer as this springs from the reasoning mind, and so from the start it is a part of the illusion it sets out to explain; so also is the question, which likewise rises from the ignorant assumption that there is such an ego with its desires and vasanas to explain away, whereas in fact there is no such thing.”

 

This is a point I thought RTC was getting at. Again, not unique to him but a point he was making as a fundamental part of his worldview: even a temporary or partial glimpse of the big enchilada (and our subsequent “return” to the lower states of consciousness we still inhabit) reveals the creative power of that state. Hence, for RTC (and many others), the key to “results magic” is getting back into a type of consciousness or unity with that state. That's the place where the "mind-bomb" can be effectively launched.

 

 


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Hence, for RTC (and many others), the key to “results magic” is getting back into a type of consciousness or unity with that state. That's the place where the "mind-bomb" can be effectively launched.

But, having gotten "there", why on earth would we want to launch "mind bombs", to eg, to use RTC's example, secure the love of a woman?

Or anything else?


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But, having gotten "there", why on earth would we want to launch "mind bombs", to eg, to use RTC's example, secure the love of a woman?

Or anything else?

I would guess because the desire originated with the "here" state of consciousness. Originated and returns to it. Crowley, for example, kept doing his unsuccessful money magic until the end of his days, I believe. Now, I don't think this discredits his claims to "Ip." There was a part of him that was (and always was) Gate Gate Paragate...but then there was the persona, the man, the seeming individual. This doesn't need to be regarded as the "Demon Crowley" unless we are ALL of us such "Demons."

I have my own needs and desires right now, for example. Crowley said every intentional act is a Magical act. So if one such need and desire, say, is to increase income, then my writing a resume or letter requesting a raise etc becomes (per MITP) a classic example of "Magic." Brushing our teeth to avoid painful tooth decay is an act of magic. And just because I become an Ip (or glimpsed it and was transfigured with a temporary glow like Moses) doesn't mean I should no longer scratch an itch, drink when I'm thirsty etc. 

For Tungpa, the Bodhichitta or Awakened Mind was able to flow into appreciation. He gives a description in one of his books of simply appreciating a cigarette and how good it is. So the Ip-State can't be an escapist body-hater thing nor can it be a "Well, I ate the poop, got the Ip and I'll just sit here now and rot away."

And I do think this becomes a really complicated and nuanced thing "down here." Because it seems that we DO tap into the creative power and imaginative matrix emanating from the "singularity" to seek after destruction, terror, perversity and so on (as much as we might wake up to awareness of the Initiatory Path). Thus, "Black Magic" is as real as "White Magic." We live in a world which, thus, depends upon Magic. We draw, even in part, from the highest creative powers just as the majority of us utilize technology we don't understand to pursue the most inane and superficial of whims. I think this is where AC's message of DWTW comes in and remains critical-even for those who are in the place where there is no longer any Will to do. For each Sephiroth contains the others-and itself.

    


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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

We may also ask why Crowley, after becoming/attaining/witnessing Ip-ness also continued to write, teach, preach and so on (and why and how he “dropped back down-or in, as it were).

Ah, this one has been covered. I believe it was writ in The Great Beast (Symonds). Therion was in a mess. Nothing worked. He dropped his opium pipe and walked into the Temple, where he took the Ip and specifically asked to be allowed to remain and continue The Great Work.

You see, olden tyme folks who got this far were "taken up into Heaven by God - without suffering physical death." This request (to remain) is also seen in other traditions.

So he remained. He worked (Thoth is an all-time high-standard tome)(Heart of the Master lays out the whole lineage and his role, plus the release of The Word ... it's writ like a vision or novel, but it's the only one that cites dates, places, The Word). He signed himself 9=2 for the rest of his life, only hinting in every 7th paragraph of his true grade.

Nishiyama made it to 9th dan (black belt #9). The Japan Karate Assn offered him the 10th (and last). He publicly stated, "As long as I am living, I will be learning. I will never accept the 10th while I am alive. He didn't. He died. The JKA awarded him the 10th.

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One doesn't really “attain” to Ip (any more than one “attains” to Tao”).

Right. First one gets a glimpse. This is not just a vision - it is a "taste" of Tao or Samadhi. The successive "attainments" are actually the taking of an imprint in full consciousness of a certain level (any of them). The imprint allows one to flicker back into that state - the rest of the time, we're just dorks among dorks. What a motto.

U.G. points out that nobody can take the exalted states on a permanent basis - it would burn out the vehicle.

So, yeah, one "attains" an imprint. This is not the same as a ceremonial initiation, which is a synthetic attempt at reproducing the imprint. We wish they were always true and the same thing. I think I might have witnessed or even caused this ceremony/imprint synchronization. You see, all I* (and up) rites were accompanied by that pure Sandoz stuff.

According to the data, only small percentages of the masses ever get into the higher circuits. Let me recite the (guesstimated) litany ...

5th circuit = 5%
6th circuit = 2%
7th circuit = 1%
8th circuit = <1%

I may be off by 1% due to failing synapses and not really caring. I consider the % figures to be high, especially in the higher 2 circuits.

Now, many people are familiar with these circuits/spheres/planes. They can puff medical marijuana to get engaged in the Tiphareth-5th circuit-Harmony & Beauty state of mind. They can get their doc to prescribe Methedrine tablets to get the feel of Geburah. And they can slip into a legal, government-sponsored and run Chinese Opium Den (usually in a dark basement) and soar to Olympus. But none of these are imprints (unless they get whacked while high). Yeah, whacked ... these things usually hurt.

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... to use RTC's example, secure the love of a woman? Or anything else?

It's that olde Black Magic that weaves it's spell,
that olde Black Magic that we know so well

So far, I have not seen any mention of using the High Horus Toy, and it's associated mental manipulations and sneezes, for High Magick. Lots'a low-level stuff, though.

These "bombs" remind me of Taking Heaven by Force, but in the reverse direction. I wonder if by changing reality we would affect the neighbor's sense of "real," or will the climate suddenly be clear and unchanging?

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I would guess because the desire originated with the "here" state of consciousness.

I had the same guess, but I've said enough. I need some real recreation - I think I'll just go to the Void, but I'll lock the Bombay doors first.

 


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@Katrice it is Peter Moon & Preston Nichols. 

Thank you for the correction.  It's been a long time since I'd read the books and I'd forgotten about Moon.  

 

Anyway, I was getting similar vibes. RTC's schtick is becoming more uncanny to Amado as well the more I read it. 

That was my impression just from what I'd read here. Extremely similar vibes. 

 

Amado's "here's techniques to change your life" and Peter Moon's Time travel.

And Amado's "I have a big big revelation but oops!I can't share it with any of you, you just have to trust me that it's real."

 

Yet, within the frame of Paul Weston's (whom I love and respect) "Aleister Crowley And The Aeon Of Horus",

I am not familiar with this. Tell me more?

 

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RTC's “666, Sex & The New Aeon of Horus,” a partial review:

 

Wow, thank you so much for the incredible review!  This was very informative and it gives me a better understanding of RTC's ideas. 

 


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@katrice Weston's excellent book (384 pages) is a massive macro-overview of basically many of the ripples of the Aeon of Horus. Within it he mentions Peter Moon, Amado and even Allen Greenfield, among many other things. My views on some things are quite different to Weston's, but I find his book to be of immense value (to Thelemites, Occultists, Synchromystics and of course the Conspiracy theorists too). Weston's own worldview is more of an extension of Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary's (except more paganized). Weston's thesis is basically that Aiwass's revelation is the best contextual basis for which to understand the high strangeness that has been unfolding since the turn of the century (including all that 'paranormal' stuff which remains more intensified than ever these days), the tone or impression of the book tends to be even more relevant now than in 2009 when it was written. 

I love the book, it's a great read, it doesn't matter what perspective you take on it because it's just so entertaining because of how bizarre actual history is. 

 

But basically anyway, given the way that Weston contextualizes Amado, I find myself rather unironically appreciating RTC's bizarre antagonisms in a similar way. 

However in my own criticisms of RTC himself, I think the trolling and also pretending like no Thelemite has ever criticized Crowley for anything is either naïve or delusional on his part. [On my end I get sick and tired of hearing Thelemites criticize Crowley (at least in the internet era) especially over trivial things. In some places on the net you'll absurdly get Thelemites who will berate you for saying anything good about Crowley the man] Thelemites exist on a spectrum and at the same time there are many people who appreciate and take from Crowley's contributions without believing anything about Thelema and Liber Legis itself. 

But anyway, it's interesting the way that RTC's conclusions fit right back into the thesis of the Aeon of Horus itself. I still wonder if RTC has ever read Liber B Vel Magi because his paranoia about Crowley seems to inadvertently affirm the thesis of that Liber.

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However in my own criticisms of RTC himself, I think the trolling and also pretending like no Thelemite has ever criticized Crowley for anything is either naïve or delusional on his part. [On my end I get sick and tired of hearing Thelemites criticize Crowley (at least in the internet era) especially over trivial things. In some places on the net you'll absurdly get Thelemites who will berate you for saying anything good about Crowley the man] Thelemites exist on a spectrum and at the same time there are many people who appreciate and take from Crowley's contributions without believing anything about Thelema and Liber Legis itself. 

Was supposed to edit it to expand: 

Thelemites exist on a spectrum and at the same time there are many people who appreciate and take from Crowley's contributions without believing anything about Thelema and Liber Legis itself. I however am more on the fundi side of the spectrum about Liber Legis but am by far not uncritical about Crowley in places (such as how he gave certain texts the Class A designation when they don't deserve it, or how he flunked his Prophetic responsibilities in many instances, and didn't act upon certain instructions given in Liber Legis, and mainly just reworked 'old aeon' stuff with a system based on the 'old aeon', or many aspects of the Algerian Working, or his rapid decline in ambitious magical workings after the Cefalu period, etc).

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... he gave certain texts the Class A designation when they don't deserve it ... and didn't act upon certain instructions given in Liber Legis,

Oh!  You noticed.

 


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@katrice 

 

Speaking of Peter Moon, if you are at all interested in Scientology, especially as a 'interesting weird thing' and not necessarily in practise (he stole so much from Crowley it's not funny) his 2 books that tie in Scientology (his own personal experiences in it) with Crowley and magick are very good:

Montauk Book of the Living '...These truths lead to the unveiling of the biological truth behind the Virgin Birth and how this theme intertwines with the descendants of these Amazons who live today and are known as the Blue People of the Sahara. Other occult surprises include new revelations concerning Aleister Crowley’s The Book of the Law that demonstrably reveals that the ancients who built the pyramids of Cairo and Mars knew deeper secrets concerning DNA than our scientists of today. '

https://skybooksusa.com/product12.html

 

Montauk Book of the Dead '...Beginning with his early years, Peter Moon reveals fascinating details of exactly how he became involved with Scientology and serendipitously ended up working in the personal employ of L. Ron Hubbard aboard the latter's famous "mystery ship" which was called the Apollo. Included in this riveting account is the story of how L. Ron Hubbard, at the age of twenty-seven, clinically "died" only to discover that he could "remote view'

https://skybooksusa.com/product11.html

 

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Posted by: @fraterihsan

@katrice Weston's excellent book (384 pages) is a massive macro-overview of basically many of the ripples of the Aeon of Horus. 

That sounds absolutely wonderful, and it fits in with my own interests! Thank you so much!

 

However in my own criticisms of RTC himself, I think the trolling and also pretending like no Thelemite has ever criticized Crowley for anything is either naïve or delusional on his part.

He seems to see what he wants to see, despite all evidence, and what he sees is what validates his ego. 

 

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Speaking of Peter Moon, if you are at all interested in Scientology, especially as a 'interesting weird thing' and not necessarily in practise (he stole so much from Crowley it's not funny) his 2 books that tie in Scientology (his own personal experiences in it) with Crowley and magick are very good:

Interesting!   Thank you!   I am interesting in Scientology, mostly as an "interesting weird thing".  Not too long ago I posted a link on another thread to a couple of free pdfs containing most of Scientology's processes that had been adapted for solo use.

 

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Posted by: @fraterihsan

@katrice Weston's excellent book (384 pages) is a massive macro-overview of basically many of the ripples of the Aeon of Horus. 

That sounds absolutely wonderful, and it fits in with my own interests! Thank you so much!

 

However in my own criticisms of RTC himself, I think the trolling and also pretending like no Thelemite has ever criticized Crowley for anything is either naïve or delusional on his part.

He seems to see what he wants to see, despite all evidence, and what he sees is what validates his ego. 

 

Posted by: @christibrany

Speaking of Peter Moon, if you are at all interested in Scientology, especially as a 'interesting weird thing' and not necessarily in practise (he stole so much from Crowley it's not funny) his 2 books that tie in Scientology (his own personal experiences in it) with Crowley and magick are very good:

Interesting!   Thank you!   I am interesting in Scientology, mostly as an "interesting weird thing".  Not too long ago I posted a link on another thread to a couple of free pdfs containing most of Scientology's processes that had been adapted for solo use.

 

This has been an unpaid promotion done without knowledge of the promoted. 

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Definitely also check out his lectures also: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7OTvcsOLFHRvEFLerhiynw

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I would like to recount a recent (like 5 minutes ago) experience with startling myself, quite a lot, and quite involuntarily:

I stepped out the side-front door of my house, leaving it ajar, to look at flowers, and consider transplanting schedules. The door suddenly loudly slammed shut WHAM! in a burst of wind, locking me out of my house; no one else home for an hour, no keys.

I was startled "AF" as the kids say, and yet no paranormal experience, or pebble coronally splashing the Cosmos ensued. Perhaps i am just not initiate enough to be able to activate The Horus Toy™ by this startlement.

After i finished being startled, and confirmed that the front-front door, and the side-front door (that i just came out of) were indeed locked, i climbed over the fence and entered by the (open) back door, to concerned looks from my dogs. I got a splinter in my finger climbing over the fence, since removed.

Possibly if i had been masturbating, or walking the dogs, or both, at the time, it would have worked. Another missed opportunity, i guess.


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Shiva
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Posted by: @ignant666

Perhaps i am just not initiate enough to be able to activate The Horus Toy™ by this startlement.

No, it's not that. It has to do with the respiratory system. Sneezing (violent, uncontrolled, lack of pranayama) has been mentioned. It depends on what your breath did exactly at the moment of startlement.

Posted by: @ignant666

Another missed opportunity, i guess.

A park has been mentioned. Go to a park where construction is underway. Wander around. Something is sure to startle you or make you sneeze.


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ignant666
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Posted by: @shiva

Go to a park where construction is underway. Wander around.

Too much work in garden to go to any parks to be startled in. Spring has gone wild, and the weeding is out of control, and beyond any human capacity, and then there is the planting to be done.

Sometimes i think you are lucky to live in a desert.

There is just such an excess of GREEN here right now (even though it is my favorite thing).


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