My statement that the Horus Toy™ is a physical device comes from reading RTC's Inauguration of the Aeon of Horus, which i ordered by mistake when attempting to purchase his eLGMOR book.
Unfortunately it was so dreadful that i put it in the recycle bin the next day, so i am unable to refer to it to support this statement. Perhaps someone else has a copy and can find what i'm thinking of?
My statement that the Horus Toy™ is a physical device comes from reading RTC's Inauguration of the Aeon of Horus, which i ordered by mistake when attempting to purchase his eLGMOR book.
Unfortunately it was so dreadful that i put it in the recycle bin the next day, so i am unable to refer to it to support this statement. Perhaps someone else has a copy and can find what i'm thinking of?
Hi @ignant666 he mentions a lot about sex magick and the use of masturbation. So when he says physical toy..... I think he means physically attached. What he was doing jerking off on a public park, with his dog is a bit questionable though lol
PS I have the book at hand, so if you can give me a pointer I can post it here. Don't fancy re-reading it!
In Saladin's tent, the correct answer is: "In myself!"
The expansion to the old "Shit happens" meme that gave different religion's perspectives: "Shit happens and I did it"
The term "Thelemic Philosophy" has been used without too much flak from the detractors.
I was thinking of that one.
We are the outcasts, the masterless samurai, a lower caste.
Which are sometimes the best people.
But, regardless of prior or present status, we cads probably hold the high ground of the Thelemic Hill. Why would I say such a thing? Because we are ruthlessly honest, well read, possibly well bred,
I do agree with that, and this is part of why I like it here.
Now then, along comes you. You are spouting no nonsensical theories, you are starting no fights, your logic seems clear, you are well read, possibly well bred, and so you slipped right in and you're easily holding your own (counsel and space). Every now and then someone comes along ... and they fit right in.
Awwwwwh! Thanks, Shiva! Though I'm not sure that my not spouting nonsensical theories, or at least nonsensical ideas, is a universally accepted opinion. 😉
Oh, please, don't ask around about this. Somewhere here on LAShTAL there is a free download of one (two?) of his book(s). Just like when it comes to AC, I recommend that you go directly to the
horse'sMagiCole Hair's mouth.
I want to know. I'm curious. Even if it's completely nonsensical, it would still be a different, possibly interesting, perspective. I even did some research on Amado Crowley for a while, knowing what I was getting in to beforehand. I enjoy digging through history and learning about the ideas of different thinkers.
, but then when it came time to build out (horizontal) on the physical plane, he designed something that was simply a restructuring of the Roman Hierarchy.
I've met my share of Thelemites who seemed more like reskinned Catholics.
So what do we call those splinter groups, starting with that heretic Martin Luther? Lets start with ... Heretic.
That was also the word I was thinking of, in a tongue-in-cheek way of course.
I've never heard of this term either. Thanks Katrice.
My pleasure, Elite! 😊
It may be because a lot of us are solo practitioners and not that young anymore so we don't know the new terms floatin' around.
Good point. Jason Miller gives an interesting "Post Gnosis Checklist" here
You can look but you can't touch 🙂 Bad joke.
But I wanna!!! 😉
Are you thinking something along the likes of a personal and or group egrogore?
If it's non physical, that could fit.
I heard such great things about it, when I finally read it I was disappointed. It was very dry and not very occult at all. But that was a long time ago and I only read it once so....
It is mostly non-occult, and definitely an older style of writing. Its fame and value comes from the Black Mass scene, and the implied depiction of Abbe Boullan, that gets all of the notice. I found the preceding parts to be interesting and valuable for historical and societal context, though. But, I would agree that it's much less sensationalistic than its reputation implies.
Another 'tosser' eh? lol 😉
"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force."-Dorothy Parker
I want to know. I'm curious. Even if it's completely nonsensical, it would still be a different, possibly interesting, perspective. I even did some research on Amado Crowley for a while, knowing what I was getting in to beforehand. I enjoy digging through history and learning about the ideas of different thinkers.
It used to be available for free download on here and Lulu books.
Options to do so are no longer available on both.
Used to be in the download section here for example.
https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/RTC931/
I think I have a digital copy of bogus if you want a copy. PM me, hope RTC doesn't mind....
For those who did not click on the pages from Inauguration ptoner reproduces above- bingo! And thanx for taking trouble to dig that out!
RTC clearly says several times that the Horus Toy™ is a "physical device" on the second of the three pages reproduced.
He does not, in the reproduced matter, say, and has never, to my knowledge, said whether or not batteries are included.
Call me stupid, but I woke up last ....this morning at like 0500 ...
Hi, stupid. Guess what? I didn't go to sleep until 0500. I recently (1245) arose and found it to be Nov 5. The Dark Winter is coming.
I realised I was 38 and then I got depressed thinking it's only 2 more years til I am officially 40 which is scary.
Why is this scary. Forty (40) is no big deal. Well, it's probably the high point of your physical development - you know, the nominal midpoint in your theoretical 81-year lifespan. But look: A human male reaches his point of greatest physical strength in his 50s. I did not sense the beginning of a physical run-down until I was 65. You still have 2 or 3 decades to get The Great Work completed.
We've here been though this ad nauseum and I think we mostly agree it doesn't matter the provenance of the verse and book so much as the sublimity of the information and the usefulness of the same.
It is my understanding that this is, indeed, the general consensus among the few. Let my servants be few ... The few know well that AC was full of trick-or-treatery, and that the real stuff is self-revealing.
Why is this scary. Forty (40) is no big deal. Well, it's probably the high point of your physical development - you know, the nominal midpoint in your theoretical 81-year lifespan. But look: A human male reaches his point of greatest physical strength in his 50s.
I dunno about that. I do feel more robust but. I also feel like I am sliding down the hill. It is probably more mental than anything. Need more mind body connection.
Richard kindly sent me a couple of promo copies of Bogus and eLGMOR.
His tongue in cheek extras included a watermarked comment with 1906...
@ignant666 - Fear not, my discreptic Thelumpian, for the Thrice-Great Magicole Hair has descended from on-high with balms and unguents to banish the spectre of anomaly manifested by your resistance to the New Aeonic Current.
I originally envisaged the Horus Toy™ as a physical device (alluded to in the 2019 publication Inauguration of...). However, on reflection, my boundless altruism and energised philanthropic bent wrestled these free-market profitic notions to the dust. Why sell a box of tricks with only one setting, for £93, when the general technique can be explained in a few pages, at a fraction of the cost, and empower individuals with the means to create a bespoke Horus Toy – Which, after all, is the general theme of Crowley’s Horus thing (The genuine ‘thing,’ that is. Not Crowley’s fake thing).
Thus, below the Abyss the Horus Toy manifests as a duality, both Word, and Word made Flesh. Please try to keep up. The New Aeon isn’t going to wait for you to shake off that Crowlean crust.
RTC clearly says several times that the Horus Toy™ is a "physical device" on the second of the three pages reproduced.
Reading that reminded me a little of Preston Nichols's Montauk Project books.
Which, incidentally, also involve Amado Crowley.
if you want a copy. PM me
Note: The PM function, as well as some entries in the Download Hall, have both been disabled.
It is probably more mental than anything.
Mental decay is a scary thing. You are correct. There are assorted pharmaceuticals for such conditions - you may be crumbling, but you won't care. P.S. - Avoid Prozac(R) and other ssris (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) - a very common side-effect is suicide.
Fear not, my discreptic Thelumpian, for the Thrice-Great Magicole Hair has descended from on-high with balms and unguents to banish the spectre of anomaly manifested by your resistance to the New Aeonic Current.
Hurrah! He has arisen!
Reading that reminded me a little of Preston Nichols's Montauk Project books.
Which, incidentally, also involve Amado Crowley.
And several other Montauk books mention Crowley, Parsons, Cameron, to cite a few. They are woven into the tale of gov intrigue, but not as direct participants.
Thrice-Great Magicole Hair
I knew I had the means to summon you.
For those who did not click on the pages from Inauguration ptoner reproduces above- bingo! And thanx for taking trouble to dig that out!
RTC clearly says several times that the Horus Toy™ is a "physical device" on the second of the three pages reproduced.
He does not, in the reproduced matter, say, and has never, to my knowledge, said whether or not batteries are included.
You are 100% correct, Ignant-and your memory clearly sharper than my own here. My own speculations re: what RTC is onto have tended toward what he describes as
a duality, both Word, and Word made Flesh.
But this is likely due to my own perspectives on the subject matter as a whole, as alluded to in my posts in this thread.
I tried to sum up the two main points of focus in RTC's recent works, namely his endeavors to expose Crowley's dishonesty and to offer an explanation of the "thing" Crowley encountered but couldn't hope to fully understand or implement himself.
With regards to the latter point-and the "Toy," I have envisioned this as a dynamic interplay between a type of mandala and the the movement of the energies it signifies. One could create a physical model, say, of the Tree of Life. But one may then mentally "internalize" it. And having done so, one may engage with its energies.
As Crowley reminds us: doing certain things brings about certain results (which may include our UPG). AC wisely warns us away from obsession by stating that at our opening phase of the path we should not attribute any objective validity to the results we experience.
Never the less, to the word MAGICK he also gives a razor sharp defintion: "Causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." So if it is my WILL to be uplifted from poverty or physical ailment or to achieve success in a chosen venture etc, MAGICK is the means to bring about that result.
Although AC says "Every intentional act is a magical act," we are looking at the methods and means beyond waxing poetic about a "mundane" Malkuthian approach. Sigils, spells, incantations, radionic machines, offerings to entities and the list goes on. And things happen..."magically." Ac seems to have wavered between the "Witchcraft" and his Materialistic Skeptical approach. He was a ruthless opponent to superstition-but he was quite interested in the mediumistic utterances of his Scarlet Women as they delivered messages from disembodied masters from Inner Space.
RTC has stated that he's found it and will be revealing it: the Missing Magical Link which left Crowley bereft despite his prolific use of the "Sacrament" etc. What I observe in RTC's allusions to what will be revealed is that Sex Magick is Old Aeon-and now abrogate. So the New Aeon Magick goes beyond all of this-and actually works.
I'm certainly not sitting about, crossing off days on my calendar until the Secret is revealed. I've been conducting my own research, experiments and magical work quite nicely. My personal discoveries and points of interest have had me, however, very curious as to what Richard has to say-as he seems to be describing the basic gist.
I will also add this point. I cannot claim to have invented anything. I suspect that Richard will reveal something I have already had revealed to me by several others (and the source of which antedates Crowley's "big experience" significantly). So I've held some cards close in my communications with RTC and he has done the same. Although I have no secret to reveal to the world. It is already here and has been for hundreds of years.
But all my thoughts and efforts and attention in this direction had me quite forgetting what Paul and Ignant most accurately remembered. And although I have full appreciation for RTC's description of the Horus Toy UPGRADE he delivered today, it WAS described in Inauguration as a physical device. I stand corrected-and it won't be the last time, I am sure.
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I heard such great things about it, when I finally read it I was disappointed. It was very dry and not very occult at all. But that was a long time ago and I only read it once so....
It is mostly non-occult, and definitely an older style of writing. Its fame and value comes from the Black Mass scene, and the implied depiction of Abbe Boullan, that gets all of the notice. I found the preceding parts to be interesting and valuable for historical and societal context, though. But, I would agree that it's much less sensationalistic than its reputation implies.
I think La Bas is a great work-and it was far more and different than I anticipated. AC recommends it in his A.A. reading list, I believe. It is most often associated with the words “Diabolism,” “Satanism” and “Decadence.” So if one goes in anticipating the lurid, salacious and verboten, it might prove a bit dull. How long can we talk about Naturalism in Literature? How long can we talk about BELLS? LOL! But I found it engrossing! Those conversations were wonderful!
And the thing is: by the time we get to the grand climax with black mass and sex over broken Eucharists (um...spoiler alert?), we have followed Durtal's detailed study of Bluebeard (which reads like a synopsis of “A Serbian Film”). When it's time for “Eyes Wide Shut,” it all seems like a hollow game played by the elite. “Pretend Evil.” By contrast with the atrocities of Bluebeard, it all feels like an empty pantomime.
So this issue and theme of evil is examined-and, as Durtal is a thinly veiled portrait of the author, this is a very pivotal and transformative book.
Huysmans was a personal friend of the Abbe Boullan. And the Abbe was reputed to have engaged in the most heretical and horrific acts, including child sacrifice. So it is a bit of shock to find Joseph appearing in the book as the venerable Dr. Johannes who stands AGAINST the Satanic Underground.
I am nearing completion of a book which opens with a discussion of what the Abbe Boullan was actually about. In Huysmans' life, he had a powerful influence. And Huysmans became a devout Catholic after the emptiness and disgust he expresses at the end of La Bas.
So for its reputation as a book about French Satanism (how fascinating!), it is an account of getting sick on what Alice Bailey calls “Glamour.” It's about reaching the end of the line and seeing the road for what it is.
One might conclude: there IS no “Devil.” Just pathetic people.
We've here been though this ad nauseum and I think we mostly agree it doesn't matter the provenance of the verse and book so much as the sublimity of the information and the usefulness of the same.
The original claim and intent of RTC's book was to prove that AC pulled off a massive fraud. This has not been proven to the slightest.
RTC's straw man arguments and inclination to promise evidence he can't produce has only made AC's story more plausible.
AC clearly struggled with the meaning of the book and its origins, producing several comments, and also struggled with the cipher.
I am nearing completion of a book which opens with a discussion of what the Abbe Boullan was actually about.
Spot the difference? You're not TELLING US what the Abbe was ACTUALLY about, but discussing it. I like that.
Also, a wonderful synopsis of La Bas. I read it so many years ago (in another century even) that I am eager to re-read it, though the books-to-read stack is already quite high and growing. Hope I'll make it before April 1st...
Love=Law
Lutz
Does anyone know what RTC used to do for a living before all this crap?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Does anyone know what RTC used to do for a living before all this crap?
In what way would that be relevent, dom?
Does anyone know what RTC used to do for a living before all this crap?
In what way would that be relevent, dom?
I don't know yet.
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Does anyone know what RTC used to do for a living before all this crap?
His LinkedIn profile has him as a graphic designer since 1999, he is also listed as a producer for "Aleister Crowley: The Legend of the Beast" (2013) on IMDb. Also seeing no relevance, but maybe it helps.
Love=Law
Lutz
The original claim and intent of RTC's book was to prove that AC pulled off a massive fraud. This has not been proven to the slightest.
RTC's straw man arguments and inclination to promise evidence he can't produce has only made AC's story more plausible.
AC clearly struggled with the meaning of the book and its origins, producing several comments, and also struggled with the cipher.
In the matter of RTC vs AC, the defense (represented by Dep Rev Frater Micro Elite de Machinery) has presented its closing argument in three simple paragraphs.
These three points are the three Keys to the Mysterious Manifestations of the Cairo Reception Myth. Keep these pillars in mind when the bombastic rhetoric and foul accusations begin to fly.
Also, remember to keep both The Universal Joke and The Value of Entertainment close to the burning tip of consciousness.
graphic designer
Helpful for forging those watermarks.
Helpful for forging those watermarks.
Yep, as convincing as those:
I'm open to seeing more, I'm genuinely curious, but so far, the more I see here, the more Book of Desolation vibes I get.
Yes thanks!... your comment should hold us over until March 2022, when things are due to chirp up...when the marketing fever for photoshopped "Desolation" goes into full gear!
Not to be confused with Books of Dissolution!
Yes thanks!... your comment should hold us over until March 2022, when things are due to chirp up...when the marketing fever for photoshopped "Desolation" goes into full gear!
The Book of Desolation is another thing I'd love to see. If it was real. Even knowing that if it were real, it couldn't be all it was claimed to be. I'd love to find contact information for Jason Brett Serle, as it's claimed that he's the only other person to have seen it.
Our poor forums seem to move at a Snail's pace these days.
The Book of Desolation is another thing I'd love to see. If it was real. Even knowing that if it were real, it couldn't be all it was claimed to be.
What is this "Book of Desolation?" It sounds vaguely familiar but I cannot recall. Is this another contender for "Chapter Four?" Who spoke of this?
Jason Brett Serle
No idea who this person is.
But I will ask: WHY the interest in this Book of D-? I can appreciate your interest in RTC as here we all are talking about his writings and there seems to be a tempest in a teacup. But what is this Liber D? Where did you hear about it?
Anyone of us can write anything. It's so easy.
I have yet to see a solution to the riddle/cipher/gobblety gook in AL that actually conveys any power or genuine significance. Everyone from Achad to Cole solves a crossword puzzle, fills in the squares and we ought regard "clever" as "prophetic." 100% useless. And this is, perhaps, something RTC offers with some legitimacy: Liber AL contains some garbage.
I note a tendency to react to debunking with "It doesn't matter...the Book means something to ME!"
I've heard the same arguments over the impossible Book of Mormon and the whole of Christianity as a belief system.
Our poor forums seem to move at a Snail's pace these days.
I had noticed that.
What is this "Book of Desolation?" It sounds vaguely familiar but I cannot recall. Is this another contender for "Chapter Four?" Who spoke of this?
The Book of Desolation is what Amado Crowley claimed was Aleister Crowley's real teaching, Amado also making the, in my opinion absurd, claim that all of Crowley's Thelemic writings were a smokescreen to conceal the Book.
Forgive me for believing that writing the equivalent of a small library and managing two magickal organizations all as a smokescreen seems like a bit much.
But it's said that writer/filmmaker Jason Brett Serle had seen something claimed to be the Book, which makes me wonder if there had been some text that Amado had planned to claim as the Book. Naturally I don't believe the claims made about it at all, and I'd speculate that what may have been there was probably less than a tempest in a teacup, maybe more a minor squall in a thimble at the most. I'm just curious if there was something behind it that he'd planned to reveal some day and what it could have been.
I was going with the comparison of someone else claiming that they had the true teaching of the Aeon and were also seemingly dragging out revealing it for as long as possible.
I note a tendency to react to debunking with "It doesn't matter...the Book means something to ME!"
Which is my stance in regards to the BoTL,but that doesn't mean that I don't want to hear RTC's story, or that I don't want to know the truth behind the official narrative, if the truth differs. Each of those things could have value to me in some way or another.
What is this "Book of Desolation?" It sounds vaguely familiar but I cannot recall. Is this another contender for "Chapter Four?" Who spoke of this?
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/magick/crowleys-magnum-opus-the-book-of-desolation/
Thank you for the link!
It addresses a few things I mentioned too, like the comparison to RTC, and it's good to see that someone else has an interest in the Book of Desolation for reasons like mine.
The RTC comparison was why I brought it up to begin with, it's a similar situation and idea.
Kidneyhawk's Book of Mormon comparison is apt too. Big revelation/no you can't see the actual thing.
Now I'm curious, how many contenders for Chapter Four are there?
I note a tendency to react to debunking with "It doesn't matter...the Book means something to ME!"
It's not a question of "debunking". The book is something to be taken on its own terms, not on that of its provenance. If it were proved to have come from an angel, but had no power, it would be of little interest. If it were proved to be a forgery, it would still be an intensely powerful book. This attitude is something I have held ever since first reading it in the late 1960s; it's not an attempt to take the wind out of anyone's sails.
Cole has been promising publication of definitive evidence for what seems like an array of eternities now. Like Billy Bunter's postal order, it never materialises. Someday he may come up with the goods, but I won't be holding my breath in the meantime.
It's not a question of "debunking". The book is something to be taken on its own terms, not on that of its provenance. If it were proved to have come from an angel, but had no power, it would be of little interest. If it were proved to be a forgery, it would still be an intensely powerful book. This attitude is something I have held ever since first reading it in the late 1960s; it's not an attempt to take the wind out of anyone's sails.
Thank you for your clear verbalisation, Michael! The same thing pertains to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the infamous Protocols of Zion, or even to Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor - not to mention the works of Shakespeare. The value of such works is always inherent within them, and all discussions on their authenticity is at best of historical interest, does not however touch upon their intrinsic valency.
Historical research is important and has its own merit. As such I welcome Cole's thoughts and insights, especially as they enrich and enhance our knowledge. On the other hand, as an esotericist I will always prefer to view things sub specie interioritas.
Markus
The Book of Desolation is what Amado Crowley claimed was Aleister Crowley's real teaching, Amado also making the, in my opinion absurd, claim that all of Crowley's Thelemic writings were a smokescreen to conceal the Book.
Why settle for being "The Great Beast" when one can be...The ABOMINATION? 😉
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It's not a question of "debunking". The book is something to be taken on its own terms, not on that of its provenance. If it were proved to have come from an angel, but had no power, it would be of little interest. If it were proved to be a forgery, it would still be an intensely powerful book. This attitude is something I have held ever since first reading it in the late 1960s; it's not an attempt to take the wind out of anyone's sails.
Thank you for your clear verbalisation, Michael! The same thing pertains to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the infamous Protocols of Zion, or even to Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor - not to mention the works of Shakespeare. The value of such works is always inherent within them, and all discussions on their authenticity is at best of historical interest, does not however touch upon their intrinsic valency.
Historical research is important and has its own merit. As such I welcome Cole's thoughts and insights, especially as they enrich and enhance our knowledge. On the other hand, as an esotericist I will always prefer to view things sub specie interioritas.
Markus
This is very much my own view and I've had some great conversations with others around the merits of books with a fantastic or dubious account of their own provenance (such as, for example, the writings of Carlos Castaneda).
A wonderfully insightful commentary on this theme is found in Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell where Blake dines with Ezekiel and Isaiah, asking them how they “dared so roundly to assert that God spake to them...?”
Isaiah states:
“I saw no God nor heard any in any finite organical perception; but my senses discovered the infinite in every thing and I was then persuaded and remain confirmed that the voice of honest indignation is the voice of God, I cared not for consequences but wrote.”
Crowley's declaration “There is no God but Man” may as well have been a citation from Blake who wrote:
“Thou art a man, God is no more, thine own humanity learn to adore”
The point here is that the divine writings and prophetic utterances emerge from where “all deities dwell...in the human breast” (Blake again). But we also recognize that this type of material surges upward from a depth which could be called the unconscious or super-conscious (manifest in the poet as “Genius at Will”-something the Thelemic Initiatory Path aims to cultivate).
Another example of what we might call “The Human Provenance of the Divine” is the sum of Buddhist Sutras, all of which are attributed to Shakyamuni. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni appears like something of a Hyper-Cosmic Demi-God and yet this description is intended to express the principles of Enlightenment, Compassion and Awakening (all of which happen in the individual HUMAN EXPERIENCE).
So where does that leave us with AL? It would seem that the inspired elements of AL rose up through the filter of Crowley's mind from his depths. I think this is evident in the language of the book. We might then speculate that Aiwass (the “Author”) was AC's HGA, as it is sometimes said. And we might then consider how we envision the HGA, how it both is and is not “us.” And so on...this all opens up into a much larger and sprawling conversation.
But this is NOT how AC presented Liber Legis. He presented a very elaborate and detailed story around the Reception and sought to establish a new world religion around it. The approach to AL which Michael Staley offers is not necessarily that which is universal in the World of the "Crowley Cultus."
Think of the Bible. I would wager that the majority of regular Bible readers interface with the material as “The Word of God,” a perfect revelation of YHWH to the World as revealed to and expressed through his chosen list of canonical writers (with a little help from the Nicean Council, of course). Facts which might crop up and interfere with this picture can be very unsettling. This is because the heavy focus is on this picture and its implications.
In context of the “Thelemic Religion,” AL serves a very similar function. To suggest that perhaps AC wrote it consciously as part of a power grab can upset one's immersion in that religion. The cipher is an aspect of the book given to one who comes after The Prophet and will prove that individual's merit as well as reveal a profound truth. If it turns out that Crowley (as RTC proposes) crafted it so that he, himself, could solve it, we're not dealing with a Preternatural Intelligence who can show
his KNOWLEDGE chiefly by the use of cipher or cryptogram in certain passages to set forth recondite facts, including some events which had yet to take place, such that no human being could possibly be aware of them; thus, the proof of his claim exists in the manuscript itself. It is independent of any human witness.
At present, we have more than several speculative scenarios around Liber AL. For myself, nothing sinks or swims based on the success or failure of any of these. But I find this “Mystery” very intriguing and interesting-and I do think there are also interesting implications to anything conclusive we might decide upon during the course of our investigation(s).
I enjoyed the podcast which kicked off this thread and Richard presents a nice summary of his hypothesis around the Reception. I also look at the whole thing as if it were a courtroom drama-and I'm in the jury. RTC is the Prosecutor and Crowley is the Defendant. Experts are called to the stand (including some of us here at Lashtal). As I watch all of this, I am suspicious of our Defendant, my “Spidey-Sense is tingling” and I sit back thinking, at times, that such a ruse is just the kind of thing this dubious character would get up to.
BUT-!
For lack of evidence, I cannot in good conscience say “Guilty!” What is the expression? “Beyond any reasonable doubt.” The narrative is persuasive-but where are the watermarks? The riddle is solved and given in context of the narrative...but the defense asks how the word GLAMOUR could possibly drop its “U?” To my eye, the cipher does appear skewed and messed with-but the Prosecution makes errors with regards to interpreting it (drawing the wrong conclusions from the weird letter “G” and the arrow marks).
What a trial! I think Crowley is guilty-but I'm not sure of what-and there is a lack of proof of this and that...but there he sits, smirking and arrogant, and he can't just get off Scot free, now, can he...but...
I find all of this fun and fascinating. And I find the nature of revealed works, mediumistic work and so on to be of great interest for many reasons. For example, I gained great insight from reading Kenneth Grant's account of his Wisdom of S'lba and then even more with his text for OkbiSh. The methodology offered subtle yet powerful clues for personal practice which continue to this day.
So, onward to April 1st, then. Too bad we've got such a wait but as I've stated above, I am anticipating that RTC will reveal (in part or in whole) something I've observed to be “out there” far longer than Crowley's revelations or any approximate date stamp of his new Aeon.
So, onward to April 1st, then ...
... then we will all be [Waiters], which is what I said in the first place.
On the other hand, with the Dark Winter drawing nigh, we might be so busy doing other things the we don't notice the [Waite] at all.
You do understand that any [waiting] is a common practical component in RTC's marketing program? I believe farmers call it "preparing the soil."
You do understand that any [waiting] is a common practical component in RTC's marketing program? I believe farmers call it "preparing the soil."
I hear you but I also think, as winter draws nigh, that we'll have plenty of interesting things to discuss, debate and muse over. The new Cornelius book looks to pack no small amount of controversy, for example. My own reading is slow-going as I have a lot of time-demands on my plate. Just getting going into The Cult of Aleister Crowley. However, I'm finding lots of little gems of insight into the A.A. System. It may prove worthy of its own thread.
I'm also a fan of looking into what is in front of us and asking “What can I extract from this and develop into something of value?” I've gone back into RTC's Inauguration book to enjoy his illustrations and allusions to how the “Horus Toy” works, how we may impact the “plasma” of the “real” to evoke the “paranormal.”
One thing we haven't really discussed here at all is the example of the “paranormal” RTC gives in his interview. I think this is the first time he shares his own “case study” of the proposed theory which is the “Horus Toy.” It's an event which breaks through the membrane of default consciousness-level.
It would be easy to jump on him for this....he meets a dead pet who comes back and is alive and present once more. But I will recall Boehme's “Divine Download” which consisted of sunlight moving along the edge of a bowl. The focus is not the example-but what it does to our consciousness. Something beyond the theoretical happens and jumps us into the next level.
And here on these Hallowed Forums, our own Tales of Power from the Nagual may prove enlightening-or at least entertaining-to each other!
... how we may impact the “plasma” of the “real” to evoke the “paranormal.”
I would need further definitions of "plasma" and "real," but this sounds okay. "Paranormal" I know. Para-, a suffix, means Next to.
Inauguration of the Aeon of Horus
Oh that!....somewhere lost in piles...
The new Cornelius book looks to pack no small amount of controversy, for example.
Could you share a little more about this?
Oh that!....somewhere lost in piles...
Some folks aimed it for the r. bin, declaring it "unfit." Whoa! I didn't read this one, so I am "unfit" to provide comments or facts.
... the Cult of Aleister Crowley ...
"... well over 150-pages of controversial OTO information ..."
Oh, Goodness and the fifty-one fairies! No comment.
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Ordered the Cornelius book. Sounds like some good detailed (c)OTO/"duplex" A.'. A.'. dirt from one in a position to know.
Have never gotten over the fact that that is his real name, and that he apparently does not, in fact, have an air-tight garage (garage hermétique).
Ordered it as well....thanks for the link, never knew that and clicked on the link for Jerry Cornelius and got this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Cornelius
Ordered the Cornelius book
Ordered it as well....
If your experience is like mine, you may be reading this book by the weekend. Fastest shipping and delivery I've experienced for ANY publication!
Have never gotten over the fact that that is his real name, and that he apparently does not, in fact, have an air-tight garage (garage hermétique).
I always thought he named himself after the Michael Moorcock character.
I always thought he named himself after the Michael Moorcock character.
J. Edward Cornelius is Jerry Cornelius. He demonstrated his lineage by citing a certain Cornelius in ancient Rome. Maybe it was this one ...
"Our father among the saints Cornelius of Rome was the Bishop of Rome during the mid-third century. He contended with the anti-pope Novatian."
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Cornelius_of_Rome
Or maybe it was this one ...
"Cornelius ... was a Roman centurion who is considered by Christians to be the first Gentile to convert to the faith, as related in Acts of the Apostles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_the_Centurion
Here's a thjird choice, and I seem to remember Jerry saying something about martial stuff ...
"Cornelius Fuscus (died 86 AD) was a Roman general who fought campaigns under the Emperors of the Flavian dynasty.During the reign of Domitian, he served as prefect of the imperial bodyguard, known as the Praetorian Guard, from 81 until his death in 86 AD."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Fuscus
Jerry was an VIII* OTO under McMurtry, and he left under H.B., saying, "This is not the OTO I joined." He has also taken the 9=2 appellation. His work is always high level and revelatory.