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hadgigegenraum
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@aleisterion 

Thanks for reposting and linking to what is an old, but from my estimation a very exciting discovery, one that represents a certain level of both scholarship and more relevantly a certain grace of destiny to to make such a find, especially as there is lots of Blavatsky material to rummage through...

Strange that a thread begun by RTC would so bring us to this revelation, unexpected, but I suppose that is part of wonder, and of these forums...

 


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@hadgigegenraum 

I am completely convinced of the reality of the paranormal intelligence at work behind all these events. It is absolutely as AC writes in the Confessions (p.397):

"The immense superiority of this particular intelligence, AIWASS, to any other with which mankind has yet been in conscious communication is shown not merely by the character of the Book itself, but by the fact of his comprehending perfectly the nature of the proof necessary to demonstrate the fact of his own existence and the conditions of that existence. And, further, having provided the proof required."

He was a bit wrong in one thing that he wrote there, though: for it was Rose Kelly, not he, that first received messages and epiphanies from Aiwaz. There was even the "bat-obsession" she experienced just prior to the Cairo Working: that particular event may not have been a mundane obsession at all, but a manifestation or byproduct of her strange magical communion with Aiwaz, which may well have started sooner than Crowley realized.

I do like your phrase, "a certain grace of destiny" - that's spot on. It's yet another proof of the verity of Aiwaz, I think - and it's far from over. It is very exciting to know with certainty that the magical current which clearly flowed through HPB, then later through Aleister Crowley and the Scarlet Women, continues to flow today, and isn't at all (as naysayers claim) a mere fairy-tale. 

 


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Posted by: @aleisterion

It's also worth mentioning that on the  night of Aleister Crowley's nativity (Oct 12, 1875), H.P. Blavatsky wrote a message explaining the postponement of a Theosophical Society meeting, and on the back of it this word (Ablanathalba) was included. 

 

“The word “Abracadabra” is a later corruption of the sacred Gnostic term “Abrasax”, the latter itself being a still earlier corruption of a sacred and ancient Coptic or Egyptian word: a magic formula which meant in its symbolism “Hurt me not”, and addressed the deity in its hieroglyphics as “Father”. It was generally attached to an amulet or charm and worn as a TAT, on the breast under the garments.”

 

Thank you for the added details! 

That is very interesting, and does further support the idea of HPB as a forerunner.  The use of the phrase "Semes Eilam", which I did know the meaning of, is also interesting given the solar focus of Thelema.

I had not thought of Ablanathanalba as related to Abracadabra or Abrahadabra. 

 

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Strange that a thread begun by RTC would so bring us to this revelation, unexpected, but I suppose that is part of wonder, and of these forums...

The thread may have been started by RTC about his own work, but it all ultimately comes down to exploring the origins of the reception of the BotL, with a small digression in to other receptions, some claiming to upset the "official" narrative, and the veracity or lack thereof of each. One could even say that it revolves around the idea of the emergence of Thelema itself

 

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that particular event may not have been a mundane obsession at all, but a manifestation or byproduct of her strange magical communion with Aiwaz, which may well have started sooner than Crowley realized.

The Scarlet Woman, or Demon Lover, a position that need not be sexual, acts as a receptive partner in a magickal partnership. One could even argue that Edward Kelly was Demon Lover to Dee.  Rose's evident propensity towards receptive states may have made her Scarlet Woman even before she had the position "officially". 


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Posted by: @katrice

The thread may have been started by RTC about his own work, but it all ultimately comes down to exploring the origins of the reception of the BotL

When RTC is barking a soonly upcoming, or recently borned, book, he usually hangs around to defend his territory and to cast demeanors upon those who ask stupid questions based upon their "old aeon" frame of mind. His threads get very congested, heated, and long. Then he will exercise his disappearing siddhi and it turns out that the world is flat.

In this case, this thread, he only dropped in as a courtesy visit, pointing our consciousness in the direction of his [being] interview[ed], and to drop off a note telling us that his new blockbusting brainbuster extravaganza of ultimate truth in alternative timelines will be released on April Fool's First of next year.

That's about 4.5 months from now, and it will appear as A Star in the West after the predicted "dark winter" we are presently facing. It will be a source of spiritual reminder, for anyone who even hears of this book (let alone actually gets a hard copy) will surely have survived.

Other than that, there will be an announcement, an extraordinary sales pitch, and LAShTAL, with it's new supercharged upgrade, will host some of the most outrageous (out-rage-us) posts ever seen. Until then, I recommend ...

[waiting] in peace.

 


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That's about 4.5 months from now, and it will appear as A Star in the West after the predicted "dark winter" we are presently facing. It will be a source of spiritual reminder, for anyone who even hears of this book (let alone actually gets a hard copy) will surely have survived.

I am certain that it will shatter all of our worldviews and point us to the one truth that underlies all, leading us to a glorious new world.  

 

Or an entertaining footnote in the story of the permutations of the Current

 

or not even that

 

But I am curious to learn what the story is.

Other than that, there will be an announcement, an extraordinary sales pitch, and LAShTAL, with it's new supercharged upgrade, will host some of the most outrageous (out-rage-us) posts ever seen. Until then, I recommend ...

I really haven't seen things get really heated here yet.  That could be entertaining too.  

 

[waiting] in peace.

Though this thread has provided some lively and enjoyable discussion, including the tangents. 

 


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Posted by: @katrice

I am curious to learn what the story is.

I believe Liber Bogus was available here on the site for free. eLGMOR, the Race to Conquer is an "extension" from this primary work. RTC's book Inauguration of the New Aeon is really my "favorite" of his. It is a small booklet with an account of how RTC sees the Aeon in terms of Crowley's role and the Tree of Life. There is a general idea about how the Transgender phenomenon is a manifestation and proof of the influx of the Aeon. Crowley wrote of this in his Intro to Liber AL and RTC points to it in terms of the paths on the Tree in relation to Aeonic unfoldment.

If you cannot find a quick download of Bogus, you can always contact Richard directly. Interest, sincerity and politeness will bring about a favorable response from the Magicole Hair. You clearly possess all of these.

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I really haven't seen things get really heated here yet.  That could be entertaining too.  

It was much more heated (and entertaining) when OTO, Inc was permitted to participate. Oh, the throw downs over Kenneth Grant, SOTO and other assorted topics. And then there was Erwin and his attempt to establish some sort of...what did he call it? I can't remember. Some kind of anti-occult Thelemic school of reason and materialism. Los skipped cheerfully behind him and there were lots of words fired back and forth as the two of them decried goblins and spooks-and others spoke to the more subtle elements of the paranormal. 

Who knows? The Glory Days may yet return. In the erstwhile, I tend to think of Lashtal as a pub and we're the patrons. We may argue and joke and discuss this, that and the other thing...but we're "the gang." 

Speaking of which...is Jamie Barter lurking about? Haven't heard from him for a while.

And it's curious that Dom has been silent as of late.

Hoping the gents are allright.


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Inauguration of the New Aeon is really my "favorite" of his. It is a small booklet with an account of how RTC sees the Aeon in terms of Crowley's role and the Tree of Life. There is a general idea about how the Transgender phenomenon is a manifestation and proof of the influx of the Aeon. Crowley wrote of this in his Intro to Liber AL and RTC points to it in terms of the paths on the Tree in relation to Aeonic unfoldment.

That one sounds the closest to what I'd most like to know about.

If you cannot find a quick download of Bogus, you can always contact Richard directly. Interest, sincerity and politeness will bring about a favorable response from the Magicole Hair. You clearly possess all of these.

Thank you!  😊 
 
And then there was Erwin and his attempt to establish some sort of...what did he call it? I can't remember. Some kind of anti-occult Thelemic school of reason and materialism.
 
I've seen some of that while reading through the older threads.  I'm not sure how Thelema without magick is supposed to work, or even be justified. 

Speaking of which...is Jamie Barter lurking about? Haven't heard from him for a while.

And it's curious that Dom has been silent as of late.

Hoping the gents are allright.

I've been wondering where Dom in particular has been!
 

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Posted by: @kidneyhawk

.what did he call it? I can't remember. Some kind of anti-occult Thelemic school of reason and materialism.

Skeptical Thelema?

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If you cannot find a quick download of Bogus

Here is a quick download of Bogus ...

https://mega.nz/file/oFhXmKAT#O_jE246kMDDVlirVpbJpMX_kWe4zGRz-OmHVNnkWxoA

 


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Skeptical Thelema?

Which would be a misnomer. Skepticism is what's involved in the method of science/the aim of religion. Critical thinking and taking all data as provisional.  It should be Rationalist Thelema. 

 

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Here is a quick download of Bogus ...

Ooh!   Thank you, Shiva!


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Posted by: @katrice

Which would be a misnomer.

The entire movement is a misorder-nomer. But my suggestion had a ? after it. I'm not sure that's it. Also, if you want to take up nomers aboute Erwin or Los, you'll have to go directly to them, and they'll set you straight. They are very materialistically rigid in their definitions and applications, sort of like a physics class. I was forced (forced, you hear?) to sit through high school AND college physics - two tours - no interest - barely passed.


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The entire movement is a misorder-nomer. But my suggestion had a ? after it. I'm not sure that's it. Also, if you want to take up nomers aboute Erwin or Los, you'll have to go directly to them, and they'll set you straight.  .

I'm absolutely certain that they will.  Ad nauseum.  

Skepticism is more like RAW's idea of not believing anything. Rationalism is strict materialism.  

I just can't understand the idea of a rationalist Thelema. It's literally a magickal belief system. The Class A works, including The Vision and the Voice, are literally derived from magickal practice. 


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Skepticism is more like RAW's idea of not believing anything. Rationalism is strict materialism.  

Oh, they don't believe anything - except physics, but if someone else believes anything, like angels, aliens, auras, and so-forth, the materialists will heap scorn upon them, calling their efforts ooky-spooky and their brains oatmeal.

Here, have a gander ...

http://www.erwinhessle.com/writings/


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And his disciple, S.', H.'. Fra. Dr. Los, PhD 8=3, once a frequent poster here, now occasionally seen over at Thelema subreddit:

https://thelema-and-skepticism.blogspot.com/

I coined the term "Gullible Thelema" for those of us who rejected their materialist-rationalist pseudo-Thelema, which they call "Skeptical Thelema". 

One of their major problems is that neither of them understand science or philosophy very well, so they make poor champions of a scientific approach. Then there are the challenges they face in reading comprehension and logical reasoning. One makes a tough row for oneself to hoe when one advocates "Skeptical Thelema" without understanding either skepticism or Thelema.

 


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Oh, they don't believe anything - except physics,  

Which is still not skepticism, which would take even that as a provisional view of how the world works.

 

Here, have a gander ...

http://www.erwinhessle.com/writings/

He seems to rant somewhat about problems that don't exist outside of his own projections. 

And then there's the whole idea of following a belief system where he believes that the founder was wrong and deluded about most things.  


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And then there's the whole idea of following a belief system where he believes that the founder was wrong and deluded about most things.  

Exactly. The Prophet placed no small importance on his Abuldiz and Amalantrah workings. In fact, he placed supreme importance on his reception of Liber Legis. He DID maintain his perspective unto death. But oh, that's all "spooks" and "goblins."

For the record, Ignant is correct:

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Then there are the challenges they face in reading comprehension and logical reasoning. One makes a tough row for oneself to hoe when one advocates "Skeptical Thelema" without understanding either skepticism or Thelema.

 

Emphasis here on "reading comprehension." When duly challenged, the disingenuous arguments came forth. I remember Erwin once stating anything published by Starfire wasn't worth reading. I asked if he had READ anything from this publisher and he said "No."

As "Erwin" hasn't updated his site for some time and I can find nothing more from him on the "web," I wonder if he died. Los seems to post elsewhere these days. And really, his screen name betrays a conflict of mindset. Los is a Blakean figure who embodies the Divine Imagination. Spelled backwards, it is SOL or the SUN, Tiphareth, the Individual Will in relation to its COSMIC COUNTERPART.

Why the runaway?

Lashtal is just a few old fellers and a young lady at the...Saloon (tip of a ten gallon hat to Frater Shiva). 

But really....WTF?

Seems like so many scuttled off like roaches in the light at a certain point.

What alarm was sounded?

 

 


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What alarm was sounded?

The Bell that tolls the message, "You are pushing the wrong wagon here, and these old farters will not yield to your density ... so you better go somewhere else where the minds are more malleable and receptive to structured baloney" ... and it won't help to call out "spooks," or "clowns" as you go."

 


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The worst part about them is that they fail to grasp the now obvious(?) evidence that Science is not a religion and that 'otherworldly' experiences are part of the natural order of things .  These strange states of mind are not 'anti physics' they are part of the human race learning more about how physics and other hard sciences are merely newer languages to describe the same experiences that mystics and mages have had for millennia. 
Sorry ...bit of a rant


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Posted by: @katrice

And then there's the whole idea of following a belief system where he believes that the founder was wrong and deluded about most things.  

Exactly. The Prophet placed no small importance on his Abuldiz and Amalantrah workings. In fact, he placed supreme importance on his reception of Liber Legis. He DID maintain his perspective unto death. But oh, that's all "spooks" and "goblins."

For the record, Ignant is correct:

Posted by: @ignant666

Then there are the challenges they face in reading comprehension and logical reasoning. One makes a tough row for oneself to hoe when one advocates "Skeptical Thelema" without understanding either skepticism or Thelema.

 

Emphasis here on "reading comprehension." When duly challenged, the disingenuous arguments came forth. I remember Erwin once stating anything published by Starfire wasn't worth reading. I asked if he had READ anything from this publisher and he said "No."

As "Erwin" hasn't updated his site for some time and I can find nothing more from him on the "web," I wonder if he died. Los seems to post elsewhere these days. And really, his screen name betrays a conflict of mindset. Los is a Blakean figure who embodies the Divine Imagination. Spelled backwards, it is SOL or the SUN, Tiphareth, the Individual Will in relation to its COSMIC COUNTERPART.

Why the runaway?

Lashtal is just a few old fellers and a young lady at the...Saloon (tip of a ten gallon hat to Frater Shiva). 

But really....WTF?

Seems like so many scuttled off like roaches in the light at a certain point.

What alarm was sounded?

 

 

I aint old! I 38!

Anyway the bit about Erwin struck me hard as in, Congress and the US gaggle of so called leaders saying 'you cant know whats in the bill until we pass it'

bunch of hags.   

How can you demean something you know nothing about?

At least gain a balanced perspective. 


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I aint old! I 38!

You are old enough to die any day, now.
But probably won't do that, yet.
You are not an older elder, yet.
But probably will do that, next.

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At least gain a balanced perspective. 

Wise elder advice.


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