You'd've thought we'd be done with all that sort of shit by now.
Yes, but you see we've also been discussing concepts of "stuck" and "mental disorders" on this (and other) thread(s) ... recently. Sometime, um, things happen to people.
Did RTC die or something? maybe April 1st was his unlucky day?
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"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
Did RTC die or something? maybe April 1st was his unlucky day?
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Well, I sincerely hope he is okay and he just didn't publish the book in time for whatever reasons. I mean, obviously he can do as he like.
It should also be emphasized and footnoted (perhaps copyrighted) that there is a ground rule in this Thelemic game, and it even says so in the scriptures ...
Every man and every woman Star
is supposed to grok their own understanding of Thelema
each for themselves only
with the ONLY APPEAL being research into
Ankh's writ.
The writ to which you refer actually contradicts your conclusions:
Change not as much as the style of a letter; for behold! thou, o prophet, shalt not behold all these mysteries hidden therein.
The child of thy bowels, he shall behold them.
Expect him not from the East, nor from the West; for from no expected house cometh that child. Aum! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked. But thou hast all in the clear light, and some, though not all, in the dark.
The only thing that has has been truly debunked is your position on the matter, and Crowley's, along with the conclusion that Frater Achad is the child referred to in the quoted verses.
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AC was such a phallicist!
Fun fact: "He shall behold them" sounds like "er soll sie behalten" which means "he can keep them"!
Well the thought, that RTC has mortally succumb did come to mind....besides his just never having anything and the whole was a lark and spoof....but and one must understand that we have just gone through World War Biowarfare, with 20 million world wide dead, with Anglo-American-neocon fingerprints all over the fake bat story...So it is conceivable that RTC was snuffed, if not by the Corona then the jab, or complications from what is a total breakdown of society....perhaps he is alive but in a state of grief over the loss of loved ones to lies, and the Horus Toy is impotent to strike low and hard against the culprits...
It should also be emphasized and footnoted (perhaps copyrighted) that there is a ground rule in this Thelemic game, and it even says so in the scriptures ...
Every man and every woman Star
is supposed to grok their own understanding of Thelema
each for themselves only
with the ONLY APPEAL being research into
Ankh's writ.The writ to which you refer actually contradicts your conclusions:
Change not as much as the style of a letter; for behold! thou, o prophet, shalt not behold all these mysteries hidden therein.
The child of thy bowels, he shall behold them.
Expect him not from the East, nor from the West; for from no expected house cometh that child. Aum! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked. But thou hast all in the clear light, and some, though not all, in the dark.The only thing that has has been truly debunked is your position on the matter, and Crowley's, along with the conclusion that Frater Achad is the child referred to in the quoted verses.
I think Shiva is refererencing the Tunis Comment, rather the verse from Liber AL which you quote.
he shall behold them.
"He" better have a better marketing plan than RTC and the assorted players in King of the Hill. There are also two writs: AL and its Comment. Although inspirational, AL is too confusing with all its puzzles, codes, switcheroos. followers, beast, and bright-red women. The Comment, however, is straightforward and simple - it proclaims Do It Yerself - I like it, and I have found no internal "contradiction" in such a liking.
Expect him not from the East, nor from the West
I do not expect "Him" at all. Such a non-expectation bypasses "other" sources, and this forces me to rely upon myself. What a hair-esy.
The only thing that has has been truly debunked is your position on the matter, and Crowley's, along with the conclusion that Frater Achad is the child referred to in the quoted verses.
I witnessed no debunking. But I see you are kranky and pushing som [gasp] agenda, based on non-self-reliance.
I think Shiva is refererencing the Tunis Comment, rather the verse from Liber AL which you quote.
I reefered to the Comment that is supposed to be tik=tacked onto the tail end of AL, after "Aum-Ha," that tells everybody to do it themselves, allowing only references to Ankh's papyri.
I have decided that Thelema is a lunatic asylum. It's no wonder many Thelemites, who did the work, come to the conclusion that they need some rest - and they turn to Oriental Zero-State considerations, which is (more or less) synonymous with The Aeon of Maat.
I have decided that Thelema is a lunatic asylum.
Well, it is said that magick is the apotheosis of the irrational.
they turn to Oriental Zero-State considerations, which is (more or less) synonymous with The Aeon of Maat.
We're on the same non-page.
I always thought that we shouldn't expect to have solutions to the riddles and puzzles and such in our lifetimes, maybe not for a few hundred years yet. It might be something that needs "crowdsourcing" from a widespread, settled community of serious people who are several generations in, with stable traditions.
IOW perhaps because of the egotistical temptation, or the temptation to imagine that one is some kind of avatar or incarnation of the Beast, or obsession by the Demon Crowley (trying to copy AC's human traits), etc., we've been mistakenly expecting it to come from the furrowed brow of some lone genius. But maybe the solution is something that emerges of itself over time, with lots of people, like a language or stereotypical social habits.
But then again that's predicated on the idea that "Aeon" refers to common time - there's the other sense in which it means something like a phase of attainment, a microcosmic reference rather than a macrocosmic reference. So perhaps in one sense it's "solved" each for him or herself in the privacy of individual attainment (the mystical solution, basically the mystical result), but also solved literally in the broader temporal, generational sense, in a more explicit, symbolic way that would only mean something to people in the future. (A magickal solution, like, it all becomes clear after aliens have made contact with us and given us new thoughts and new symbols or whatever - not seriously proposing that, but something out of the box like that, the injection of something novel and unanticipated that makes it all click).
Frater Achad is [not] the child referred to in the quoted verses.
And I guess that leaves us with ... Timothy Moss. Amirite?
I think Shiva is refererencing the Tunis Comment, rather the verse from Liber AL which you quote.
Every man and every woman Star
is supposed to grok their own understanding of Thelema
each for themselves only
The above statement by Shiva contradicts the verses I quoted, in which other prophets are not only encouraged, but given license by Nuit.
with the ONLY APPEAL being research into
Ankh's writ.
I was doing as suggested, by appealing to Ankh-f-n-khonsu's writ--The Book of the Law.
Ankh-f-n-khonsu = 113 = Aleister Crowley = 24 + 89, the last group of numbers in the puzzle of verse II:76.
"He" better have a better marketing plan than RTC and the assorted players in King of the Hill. There are also two writs: AL and its Comment.
There are only three documents penned by Ankh-f-n-khonsu: The Book of The Law, The Tunis Comment, and Across The Gulf. The two latter writings offer nothing in terms of understanding the former.
I have decided that Thelema is a lunatic asylum.
Which suggests to me, that you, like others, have had no real success as a mystic, having simply gone through the motions, and are now bent are criticizing those that are succeeding.
I had successfully responded to most points, but when I struck for a "Carriage Return" [Enter], (not "Add Reply), my entire typo-typing disappeared. To make matters worse, when I struck "Undo," nothing was undone. I therefore became prepared to pass on the whole thing, citing this atrocity as an omen to not get down in the philosophical med, until last last statement caught my attention ...
... you, like others, have had no real success as a mystic, having simply gone through the motions, and are now bent are criticizing those that are succeeding.
[cue canned laughter] But you have an agenda. One that involves important people who solve puzzles and therefore are important. His coming was predicted in AL, and now he'll explain it ALL to us ... and we won't be required to figure it out by ourself as instructed. Have you burned or otherwise destroyed (by acid, lime, shredding, or detonation) your copy of AL?
I should also note that other prophets are in the magical external realm, while self-knowledge is mystical. Let's not confuse the realms.
Well if Liber Legis is from Preternatural intelligence, than I have always held that whatever the 'solution' is to the "cipher" (as it is termed) is not something as close to home as the methods of Crowley himself, and ourselves by extension, being gematria. If it's just gematria, then it is almost rather redundant to be, given that this is the book that heralds a new Aeon and all of the implications that come with it.
If Crowley the man simply just composed Liber Legis like he did any of his early poetic works, then we can expect things like gematria as being quite obvious, and that Crowley simply knew the answer and wanted people to solve it.
From the Preternatural angle though, I tend to lean towards it's continuity with Liber Loagaeth (the Angelic code grids received by John Dee and Edward Kelly), that 2:76 is probably not a cipher at all in any typical sense, but rather the seeds for which maybe an entire system or 'technology' (akin to the Enochian stuff) is hidden.
The paradox with any Prophet though is the limit between what the man can say about their own received revelation. If it's truly not from them, then a lot of what they say about it may be supposition and even bias from previous experience. From there we see the gateway to things like Typhonianism and Setianism, not that I'm pointing towards them here but the notion of epistemology and living tradition. Liber Legis has a strong individualistic aspect but it, as well as Thelema itself, is stuck in a polarization of power and authority. Too much emphasis on Crowley's authority deflates Liber Legis, but too much emphasis on the Preternatural knowledge of Aiwass makes Crowley the man almost redundant (even though Legis mentions the Beast and his Bride).
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
2:76 is probably not a cipher at all in any typical sense, but rather the seeds for which maybe an entire system or 'technology' (akin to the Enochian stuff) is hidden.
I had that thought, or a similar one, in that It is obviously a data string. But into what expanded structure, I haven't a clue.
it's truly not from them, then a lot of what they say about it may be supposition and even bias from previous experience
True. Yet, if their saying is related to things below Paroketh, then even we dunces can look it up and prove or disprove its validity. If the stuff is sown below the dreaded Abyss, but abstract enough to be above Paroketh, then some folks might have trouble with the sorting, but the adepts can sort it out quick enough.
No, it's the high-level supra-abysmal stuff that is written out. It's supposed to be "channeled," like Perdurabo describes the purity in Cairo. How much did AC's childhood imprints affect the style and content of his opus? ... regardless of whether it came from an alien or his own unconscious.
After Cairo, AC really gets into things. We read it. We see my example of your thesis, and we discuss Crowley and The War Against Christianity, along with The Psychology of The Great Beast of Rev. We (a few of us who have assessed the phenomenon that your statement vocalizes) concur.
Personally, I do not think AC was the Ol' Fakey portrayed by some authors. I also would not put it beyond him to slip in a "R" in order to prove his number. Somewhere between V.V.V.V.V. and the Imp Crowley, the entire spectrum can be found.
He told us how to solve this problem ... by "credit nothing that does not lie in the realm of one's own experience." [did I get that quote right?] And "Don't believe me." So at least we can try to guard against belief, but that's not easy. We all have our own set of imprints and, surely, we have all had some beliefs dispelled.
But you speak of an even higher notion. Not that it's necessarily true, but we could paint a pic of a highly intelligent, entry-level adept - who was tortured as a child by priests in the name of Jesus. Add a mother that thought he was so horrible that she named him The Great Beast, right out of Rev. I wonder if this background, coupled with the necessity of maintaining a clear channel, would tend to produce something Revelatory ... like in Revelation?
Liber Legis has a strong individualistic aspect but it, as well as Thelema itself, is stuck in a polarization of power and authority.
Well, darn me, but you seem to have noticed something important here.
No, it's the high-level supra-abysmal stuff that is written out. It's supposed to be "channeled," like Perdurabo describes the purity in Cairo. How much did AC's childhood imprints affect the style and content of his opus? ... regardless of whether it came from an alien or his own unconscious.
Regardless, a transmission is going through a human consciousness and the translational needs to be translated in to the rational form of images and language in order to be shared with others. Those forms tend to come from the consciousness that the transmission comes through. Further complications come from said others filtering what they received through their own systems. So we have multiple levels of loss in translation.
. Somewhere between V.V.V.V.V. and the Imp Crowley, the entire spectrum can be found.
Precisely
Liber Legis has a strong individualistic aspect but it, as well as Thelema itself, is stuck in a polarization of power and authority.
The original transmission being filtered through Crowley"s dynamics and then interpreted and implemented through others'
Any overwhelming Trikey code findings in those two? Or do we have to take your word on they "offer nothing in terms of understanding"? Isn't it weird that the applied Trikey method (quantity of letters determine their value) is quite different from Aiwass' Liber L writ? Does Aiwass change his gematria whenever he likes? Which cardinal point has Amarillo if it's neither west or east?
Or do we have to take your word on they "offer nothing in terms of understanding"
This sentence illustrates the general current drift of this thread.
This sentence illustrates the general current drift of this thread.
You're right. This thread was about this one guy who claims to take down Thelema as we know it by telling us AC/Aiwass had got it all wrong. He's been promising this for years/decades. On the other hand we have this guy who claims to maintain Thelema by telling us AC/Aiwass had got it all right and HE is the the chosen one. And he's been promising this even for decades (better: aiming for this for decades, which is so pathetic how long he is trying to). Well - and this is only my opinion (which is something way too less people say) - I think both of them are not only wrong but they won't be even referenced in a few years time (that is not to say that anyone takes anyone of them seriously already aside from a few fanboys), they have/had their say (at least here on Lashtal) and then they go away. We all have seen this before: the lonesome hero that takes down Thelema and the lonesome hero that saves it. If there would be even one tiny proof that either of them is even of the slightest relevance we could engage with them. But no, both of them are just highly important in their head, which is no wonder, because many Thelemites tend to be megalomaniacs (just like AC). And if you challenge them they quickly move back into their holes.
That's why we try to make them clear things up here. They rarely do.
My 'say what you will' with Liber Legis and Crowley is that, it doesn't matter how you view either, whether sparklingly positive or pessimistically negative, both are completely inescapable in modern occultism and the legacy of both in the history of Religion too is still unravelling (at the moment in terms of the Religion-sphere, it tends to occupy the conspiracy space lurking in the shadows). The implications of Thelema's existence (meaning even in the most cynical view of a guy who just wrote a book and formed a cult who was a fraud) is still not fully realized, for the Abrahamic religions the existence of Crowley is a massive thing, even in the case of him being a charlatan (which he obviously wasn't to those who have actually explored his work and systems).
Thelema is an elephant in the room for many things, including Abrahamic apocalypticism, conspiracy culture, mainstream politics, culture itself and modern occultism. Whether seen as the light of the world or an evil threat, whatever view one takes it is truly a marvel to behold. It truly does look like 1904 is 'year one' for many things.
Go and look at any post-Crowley occultism (including things associated with occultism like "Satanism", of various varieties) and it's truly hard to find anything that doesn't have some elements of Thelemic fingerprints in it.
The only major paradigm changers that have any comparison are Prophet Muhammad and The Bab (Sayyid Ali Muhammad Shirazi, who was also an occultist), yet both were not antinomian like Crowley. Of course, Joseph Smith came around the same time as The Bab but the only major revolutionary aspect of Smith was the prominence of the holy spirit, which is basically a revival of Montanism (also present in Pentecostalism), but Smith was not antinomian either.
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
I think both of them are not only wrong but they won't be even referenced in a few years time
All personal agendas are agnends and not necessarily Universal Principles - and some agendas are abstract musings with absolutely no practical application.
they have/had their say (at least here on Lashtal) and then they go away.
I have no objection to the QBL threads. Members should be allowed to discuss legal concepts. Some have been here for a long time. The present conflict on this thread is due to me, myself and no other, poking fun at mental constructs. I am imitating a Zen master, even though I have never sat in a Zendo Lodge. I used to be rather involved in this QBL stuff - I even sinned and studied other systems! Of course, to a serious QBList, my deriding comments about the nature of mind and self will seem insulting. But I try to hold my (non)ground, abd it seems to work for, ultimately, who can stand against Nothing (which is a secret key, you know).
If there would be even one tiny proof that either of them is even of the slightest relevance we could engage with them.
I see you are in a hot zone of veracity today. Short statements, to the point, and explanatory of the division in mind hither homeward.
many Thelemites tend to be megalomaniacs
It is a stage on The Path. We expect to see it surface from time to time in everyone and anyone. But then there are those who come in mega-, hang out in -lo-, and then move on to -maniac. This is unfortunate. Another incarnation will be required.
That's why we try to make them clear things up here.
This is why the active membership has declined. There are other, less regulated) sites where Crowley fans can pretend they're on real social media. They avoid this dreary place because we try to keep them honest.
I see you are in a hot zone of veracity today.
Yes, I was and apologize once again for rudeness. Going through some difficult times. Also my English gets worse when I am angry. I just want to point out that "relevance" per se is totally not relevant to me. Thelema/magick/enlightenment etc. is and must be a totally personal matter. Yet when people claim to "bring Thelema down" or to have become the next Crowley, I personally would like to see some outcome of these claims, though everybody of course can claim whatever he or she wants. But I probably should have been silent about it, I mean, just to imagine I would feel such an importance and all I would do is discussing it with a few people online, is sad enough.
Peace.
Love=Law
Lutz
Thelema/magick/enlightenment etc. is and must be a totally personal matter.
No. You are wrong. Thelema was defined by Therion, and we must trust in the opinions of other self-appointed interpreters of his work to explain and guide us through the Tuat and the Abyss.
... of course can claim whatever he or she wants.
This is very true, and folks exercise this option on a daily basis.
But I probably should have been silent about it ...
That's what they all say. But the curse of the gtade requires you to speak/write out when you see rampant illusion. Maybe you haven't noticed, but all claims around here are rapidly challenged with The Test of Truth.
Thelema was defined by Therion
Invented by, surely?
There may have been sarcasm at work (see latter half of sentence, after the part that you quote)?
Invented by, surely?
Didn't Therion re-discover Thelema after Rabelais invented it?
There may have been sarcasm at work ...
I thought the whole sentence was straightforward. Any sarcasm was detected by confusing my position with the pretense of being Choronzon's Advocate. Rebel-eyes obviously invented Thelema, or at least he copied it from the Olde Greek (language). But he didn't become infamous enough, which is why this is not The Rabelais Society, even if we do talk about him.
AC picked up this same thread and made a bigger deal out of it, under the direction of Aiwass, so I said he defined it. He was credited with selling Old Wine in New Bottles, so it's easy to catch my drift.
RTC, the heru hero of this thread, preaches that AC invented his Thelemic scam, and Michael used that term, perhaps with a touch of sarco-asm, in order to bring the thread fully back on topic again.
I wonder if April 8 will bring fresh fevers from the skies?
Thelema was defined by Therion
Invented by, surely?
Articulated and codified a current that was in the process of coming in to being?
I wonder if April 8 will bring fresh fevers from the skies?
Not yet.
Not yet.
The 8th, the "made-up" holy day is tomorrow (here). It is already the 8th in your war zone and in Jolly Olden. If he doesn't Spring Eternal on the 8th, 9th, or 10th, and fails the Late Registration on the 11th, then the cosmic plug has been pulled. Thank AL there is help and hope in strange drugs other spellings.
Are we really sure about April 1st 2022?
Yes, see his facebook page, where the most recent post, from Mar. 7, mentions that date, this year. Also numerous posts here too.
He has failed to put up, and has therefore shut up. But hope springs eternal.
RTC just made a post on facebook announcing the arrival of the Horus Toy. No links or means of purchase posted though...
Why yes he has done, but he still remains, at this writing, eight (8) days, and one (1) "Horus Toy™", short of fulfilling his 4/1/22 claims.
And, of course, the odd watermark, Rose diary, etc., short of fulfilling his prior claims.
It should be that @therealrtc has finally settled the question of whether or not batteries are included:
Requires 6 x AAA batteries, one sachet of lime jelly mix and an organic USB port (MkIII, or better).
Are we really sure about April 1st 2022?
Yes. Yes. He announced this date on a drive-by posting just a few months ago. I marked my mental calendar and he missed his appointment. This is common in medical offices and mental institutions (where people go when they "lose their mind").
RTC just made a post on facebook announcing the arrival of the Horus Toy. No links or means of purchase posted though...
See? April the fornicating 8th! The carrot has just been dangled. No way to get it ... yet. This will drag out according to the usual RTC marketing plan - teasing, tantalizing, treasures of snake-oil and sideshow peepholes.
All on board are warned to start their regimen of tranquilizing herbs. Avoid stimulating beverages and powders - or you may die. Be aware of any changes in reality, language, or background noise. Oil your armor/armour if you intend to confront the Hair. Everyone simply must fashion their seat-belt / racing-harness or risk permanent deformation.
Invented by, surely?
Didn't Therion re-discover Thelema after Rabelais invented it?
There may have been sarcasm at work ...
I thought the whole sentence was straightforward. Any sarcasm was detected by confusing my position with the pretense of being Choronzon's Advocate. Rebel-eyes obviously invented Thelema, or at least he copied it from the Olde Greek (language). But he didn't become infamous enough, which is why this is not The Rabelais Society, even if we do talk about him.
AC picked up this same thread and made a bigger deal out of it, under the direction of Aiwass, so I said he defined it. He was credited with selling Old Wine in New Bottles, so it's easy to catch my drift.
RTC, the
heruhero of this thread, preaches that AC invented his Thelemic scam, and Michael used that term, perhaps with a touch of sarco-asm, in order to bring the thread fully back on topic again.I wonder if April 8 will bring fresh fevers from the skies?
Rabelais didn't invent the word "Thelema", it's there in the Lord's prayer.
Matthew 6:10: ἐλθάτω ἡ βασιλεία σου· γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά σου, ὡς ἐν οὐρανῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς
elthetō hē basileia sou genēthētō to thelēma sou hōs en ouranō kai epi gēs
Aka "Thy kingdom come,
Thy will (Thelema) be done,
On earth as it is in heaven."
Rabelais riffed off it as well, prior to Crowley.
The apocalyptical and dispensationalist aspect of Master Therion's Thelema is something I'd think any Thelemite would already know defacto (and also the appearance of new versions of the Lord's Prayer in several Thelemic texts such as in Liber 333). This is the Aeon of Horus, the fulfilment of Matthew 6:10 outside of the Christian context. That single Bible verse very much sums up Liber Legis, and Crowley's work as a whole. The "utopian" proposition of Thelema is very much in the name itself. Also instead of "Thy Will Be Done", it is now "Do What Thou Wilt", instead of the postulate future-tense it is now the present tense. This is very much eschatological and mystical by nature. If the central axiom of Thelema is notable for anything. it is for this. (obviously none of you need explaining that it doesn't mean 'do what you want' lol)
Much of these points are addressed in The Vision & The Voice, as well as other particularly important Thelemic texts dealing with Thelemic Doctrine and Cosmology.
The only actual thing in Rabelais that is of any kind of eye-brow-raising is the use of the specific designation "Thelemite", not "Thelema". Given that the word Thelemite is of more specific categorical distinction as a class or group of people. For Crowley it is a religious designation, for Rabelais it is just a social designation within his allegory.
Crowley naming his commune in 1920 the "Abbey of Thelema" being an ode to Rabelais is of less suspicion, given that Crowley had long considered Rabelais a Gnostic Saint and all that. If Crowley, for instance, formed the "Abbey of Thelema" in 1900, and then received Liber Legis after that, then we'd have quite reason to discredit him on that basis. But that simply isn't what we have in the Crowley/Rabelais connection.
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
Rabelais didn't invent the word "Thelema", it's there in the Lord's prayer.
Of course he didn't invent it. It's a Greek word meaning will. But in relation with "Do what thou wilt" he surely invented it as well as the word Thelemite. Even earlier, in the 5th century, we have Augustine of Hippo who said "Love, and what thou wilt, do."
Rabelais didn't invent the word "Thelema", it's there in the Lord's prayer.
Yes, I allowed for "copied it from the olden Greek" (language, not a person from Greece). Rabelais did not, of course, invent the word. But he invented an Abbey of, so I'll credit him as the godfather, so to speak, of the philosophy and the place of Thelema. Crowley didn't write a novel about it, he went to Sicily and made it manifest. Never mind that visitors said it was a pig-sty.
instead of the postulate future-tense it is now the present tense.
Right. Here it is, right now. And RTC will fulfill the final act.
Augustine of Hippo who said "Love, and what thou wilt, do."
Old wine in new bottles as I recently accused. The basic story never changes. The actors, the scenery, the specific ordering of the script, a changing password - these shift. Those that follow them are called shifty.
Even earlier, in the 5th century, we have Augustine of Hippo who said "Love, and what thou wilt, do."
Old wine in new bottles as I recently accused. The basic story never changes. The actors, the scenery, the specific ordering of the script, a changing password - these shift. Those that follow them are called shifty.
And PBR uttered "Will reigns Omnipotent; Love lieth at the Foundation" a couple of decades before Crowley's utterance. The elements of the Current have appeared here and there throughout history.
And PBR uttered "Will reigns Omnipotent; Love lieth at the Foundation" a couple of decades before Crowley's utterance. The elements of the Current have appeared here and there throughout history.
..and the Hebrews, what of their now ancient utterances? Can yea not find similar musings therein?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
..and the Hebrews, what of their now ancient utterances? Can yea not find similar musings therein?
Cite some?
..and the Hebrews, what of their now ancient utterances? Can yea not find similar musings therein?
Cite some?
Well take any page..apart from the 'thou shalt not' section and the bludgeoning of witches and the like. Any pantheon has it's correlations in others including the Thelemic one. It's easy take the root words of Lord, Law, God, Love and Will and do some substituting. Besides how may times did AC quote Bible texts in his writings?
https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline
Cite some?
Sight 'em. Write 'em. Cite 'em. Please include citations from ancient North Korea, the Antarcticists, and the Mau-Mau tribe of Afrika.
I sense silliness on the Horus-zone.
Rabelais didn't invent the word "Thelema", it's there in the Lord's prayer.
Thinking about it, it's almost as if Liber AL actually restores the original Biblical meaning. After all, Rabelais' version is sort of antinomian, in keeping with the anti-religious sentiments starting to develop at the time. Rabelais' meaning does seem to be very close to, "Do whatever the hell you want (if you're smart enough, because if you're smart enough and see the big picture you probably won't go wrong) and screw all that old religious shit" which is what people usually impute to AC.
Or maybe you could think of Thelemic thelema as a synthesis, with the old biblical meaning being the thesis, Rabelais' the antithesis. You do God's will because (at the bottom of the bottle) you are God (or more precisely, a chip off the old block).
Although secretly (initiated interpretation?) the old biblical meaning was probably the same, and if Rabelais was an adept as AC thought, his meaning was the same too.
Well take any page..apart from the 'thou shalt not' section and the bludgeoning of witches and the like. Any pantheon has it's correlations in others including the Thelemic one. It's easy take the root words of Lord, Law, God, Love and Will and do some substituting. Besides how may times did AC quote Bible texts in his writings?
But what about quotes that parallel each other as closely as Augustine, Rabelais, and Randolph's?
But what about quotes that parallel each other as closely as Augustine, Rabelais, and Randolph's?
These are the Saints of the Parallel Universe. They all got their info from the same place.
But what about quotes that parallel each other as closely as Augustine, Rabelais, and Randolph's?
These are the Saints of the Parallel Universe. They all got their info from the same place.
As I said earlier in the thread, Crowley may have articulated and codified a current that was in the process of coming in to being. That has much deeper roots that it seems to on the surface.
But what about quotes that parallel each other as closely as Augustine, Rabelais, and Randolph's?
These are the Saints of the Parallel Universe. They all got their info from the same place.
As I said earlier in the thread, Crowley may have articulated and codified a current that was in the process of coming in to being. That has much deeper roots that it seems to on the surface.
None are They whose number is Six: else were they
six indeed.
Seven are these Six that live not in the City of the
Pyramids, under the Night of Pan.
There was Lao-tzu.
There was Siddartha.
There was Krishna.
There was Tahuti.
There was Mosheh.
There was Dionysus.
There was Mahmud.
But the Seventh men called PERDURABO; for
enduring unto The End, at The End was Naught
to endure.
Amen.
"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62
Crowley may have articulated and codified a current that was in the process of coming in to being.
Yes, you wrote that. I remember. It was a pair-a-fraze of something some other suggested. Now that we all have entered that same parallel universe, and everybody is saying the same thing, we can decentralize and go back to our "regular" universe and await the arrival of the Hair.
After all, this is the thread, Time to put the Hairy Tales down.
Crowley may have articulated and codified a current that was in the process of coming in to being.
Yes, you wrote that. I remember. It was a pair-a-fraze of something some other suggested.
and something I've also thought for some time too. Many elements throughout history finally coming together at the right time to birth a new synthesis.
Now that we all have entered that same parallel universe, and everybody is saying the same thing, we can decentralize and go back to our "regular" universe and await the arrival of the Hair.
Having a common shared reality helps.