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wulfram
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10/09/2009 12:29 pm  

I ran across this today while doing some research and thought I should repost it here that we might enjoy a good laugh together...

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment/top-10-beatles-conspiracies_9.htm l"> http://www.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment/top-10-beatles-conspiracies_9.html

No.9 - The "Satanic Beatles" Conspiracy

In the song "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band," Paul sings that it was "20 years ago today…" and to those convinced of a Satanic Beatles conspiracy of course Paul here is referring to the death, 20 years prior, of Satan's earthly fall guy Aleister Crowley, to whom the Fab Four dedicated that groundbreaking LP. From there, one can easily connect the dots, and 20 or 30 entirely rhetorical and totally tenuous connections later, we find that the Beatles were part of a Hollywood-area Satanic coven established by Crowley, and frequented by other devil-worshippers including the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin.

If you ask us, that sounds look the coolest coven of all time.


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10/09/2009 2:04 pm  

LOL good one. I have lost count of the amount of times I have been dragged into internet arguments on youtube with conspiracy nutters who have the most absurd ideas about AC. I really cant quite fathom where these people get their information. Apparently Crowley is also the father of Barbara bush!! Perhaps even more sinister, he regularly killed people and was also a prolific child molester! No links to any sources are ever given, no factual evidence he "just was" and thats the end of it as far as these tin foil hat wearing loons are concerened. If you disagree with these guys then you are obviously a reptilian satanic lizard from mars who may or may not have been responsible for 9/11! There is apparently no limit to their stupidity.


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10/09/2009 11:47 pm  

So it was really the Fab Thirteen?


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 Anonymous
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23/02/2010 4:28 pm  

these artists definitely knew of AC and his works..
so i ask you.
what is it which let them become "musical geniuses."???

does anyone know the answer


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28/02/2010 6:03 pm  

Im going to add another post because this topic surely needs discussion

Bowie
Ozzy
the beatles
stones
doors
zepplin
you name it.

All studied crowley...

surely with the collective knowledge of the forum we can help answers these questions...

Sound/Music
Lyric
Theory

What exactly was it which made these people so adept musically?


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steve_wilson
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28/02/2010 9:03 pm  

Of course, this isn't a conspiracy site, it's about other people's conspiracy theories, and has distorted some of them!
Still, it is Beatles conspiracy No 9, No 9, No 9................


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Michael Staley
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01/03/2010 12:48 am  

What makes you think that the Beatles studied Crowley? His photograph on the album cover is merely one amongst dozens of other people.


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01/03/2010 12:56 am  
"Curious" wrote:
What exactly was it which made these people so adept musically?

I'm going to plump for "their musical talent", and I'll hazard a guess that the same answer can be given for all the thousands of other "musically adept" folks who've never ever heard of Crowley, much less studied him.

As ever, the simplest explanation is usually the best one.


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Lucius
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01/03/2010 7:51 am  

Yep, it's definitely Occam's Razor territory.
I think that the Beatles could certainly relate to several facets of Crowley's personality since they went through a period of ostracism following the “bigger than Jesus” incident and through their own experiments with drugs and yoga. For these reasons, perhaps they felt that he was unnecessarily vilified.

I doubt that their knowledge of Crowley had any substantial depth considering the general lack in republishing of his works during that time period, but then again I could be wrong.


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Michael Staley
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01/03/2010 1:44 pm  

I think the "period of ostracism" is a little overstated. The "bigger than Jesus" remark was made by John Lennon whilst on tour in the USA I believe, and prompted an outcry and burning of Beatles records and memorabilia for a while in certain more Christian fundamentalist areas of the USA. It didn't cause much of a hue and cry here in the UK, and they certainly weren't ostracized.

George Harrison was always more interested in Eastern Mysticism. John Lennon, who it is believed suggested Crowley amongst many others for the cover, may have had a smattering of interest in the occult, but I doubt he had more.

As my young friend Erwin points out, the success of these and other bands listed is more likely to be due to innate ability than studying the works of the Master.


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01/03/2010 4:52 pm  

I agree, Mr. Staley. From the myriad books I've read on Lennon over the years, probably 50 or more, John's interest in the Occult was limited, and never in-depth unlike, say, Mr. Jagger or Mr. Page. Yoko's interests were somewhat deeper, but entirely self-serving dilletantism. She was much more likely to hire a Psychic to tell her something, or hire a Witch to cast a spell, than she was to actually do the work herself.

And take Ozzy off that list. I doubt he can even read, let alone read Crowley with any level of comprehension. His song, "Mr. Crowley" was written to the only Englishman Ozzy could think of at the time who had a worse reputation than he did. Or so I've heard.


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01/03/2010 5:35 pm  

There was a deck of AC's Tarot cards in the recording studio when Ozzy & Band were laying down that album. Lyrics were never his strong point,- That song was made "off the cuff".~~ With the Beatles- Yeah, that had to be John.~~ Page & Zep were alot more sophisticated because AC was never name checked, even though Page was undoubtedly working with Magick all through those years.


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01/03/2010 6:36 pm  

I think it's interesting to note that the Beatles considered Crowley a "Dabbler in sex, drugs, and magic".

That is the description given of him in the key to the cover image. I must admit I do not know who is responsible for writing that description.


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01/03/2010 9:23 pm  

I also doubt Ozzy studied Crowley based on the lyrics to Mr. Crowley. Barely even an influence, just some guy he heard about more than likely.


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01/03/2010 11:19 pm  

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

I saw a documentary once in which ozzy said that it was Randy Rhoads idea to create a song called Mr. Crowley mainly because of one of Crowley's books was on a coffee table in the studio where they were recording.

Love is the law, love under will


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02/03/2010 6:11 am  

From what I hear, he still has that one on the set list. The fans absolutely love it! Good call, Good instincts on behalf of that band. The people are entertained. Rock & Roll often works with just a great title. Musicians feed off of the religious sentiment. The success of the music is intertwined with it. Call it a "conspiracy"- whatever. It inspires people.


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02/03/2010 8:43 am  

93!

Although Ozzy obviously has not too much knowledge of Crowley, I think he managed to catch the spirit of what goes on in many people's head when they encounter the Beast for the first time. In this regard I think Ozzy did a very fine job with the lyrics, at a time when most other bands who wished to "shock" simply chose vague satanic/anti-christian imagery.

It still says "Was it polemically sent? I wanna know what you meant" and not "It was polemically sent and I know what you meant".

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02/03/2010 8:12 pm  

thank you for the responses.

I will add my own insight when i get the chance.

my time is limited.


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03/03/2010 5:25 am  

MM M MM M
M MM M

MUSIC IS MINE TO KEEP!

U U U U U
U U U
U U u u ssssssssssssssssssss
uu u uu u SSSSSSS

I've left a hint.


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Lucius
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03/03/2010 7:54 am  

The phrase "mine to keep" reminds me of the song "yours to keep" by Guided By Voices:

to see you sight unseen is worse
then pick you up because you're first
and go where the whistle blows
and go where the captain knows
is just a lie

to train the bear to not get up
slay the beast and win the cup
and stay with the sweet flesh prize
a necklace of 50 eyes
is yours to keep

Perhaps they, too, are part of this conspiratorial musical sensation.

Simon Iff, I like the well thought out point.

Michael, I didn't necessarily think I overstated the "bigger than Jesus" comment. To the good publicity loving Beatles, any backlash was likely very unexpected and worrisome (even if it was on my side of the pond), and nevertheless it was merely a hypothesis based on "What do we know the Beatles would know about Crowley? What would they have in common?" and that he suffered from very bad press is one of those things.

I agree that in the Beatles's career it was a mere milestone.


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Michael Staley
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03/03/2010 2:42 pm  
"Lucius" wrote:
Michael, I didn't necessarily think I overstated the "bigger than Jesus" comment. To the good publicity loving Beatles, any backlash was likely very unexpected and worrisome (even if it was on my side of the pond), and nevertheless it was merely a hypothesis based on "What do we know the Beatles would know about Crowley? What would they have in common?" and that he suffered from very bad press is one of those things.

All UK artists at that time paid a great deal of attention to the US market as it was so big, so yes perhaps the reaction to Lennon's remark was more unsettling than seemed to me (festering in the backwater of Bedford) at the time.

Best wishes,

Michael.


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03/03/2010 4:11 pm  

a wee video on crowleys influence on rock n roll - xtian in perspective - but pretty cool all the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC2A488BKhE


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