A.'.A.'. Biography of J.F.C. Fuller  

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19/09/2018 6:30 pm  

One of the more controversial Thelemites due to his politics but nevertheless his books The Star in the West: A Critical Essay Upon the Works of Aleister Crowley, Yoga: A Study of the Mystical Philosophy of the Brahmins and Buddhists and the Secret Wisdom of the Qabalah: A Study in Jewish Mystical Thought and copies of his stunning art are a treasured part of my occult literature collection.

http://www.astrumargenteum.org/en/gallery/j-f-c-fuller/


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20/09/2018 6:09 pm  

His life would make a good biography book. Certainly enough interesting events and characters.


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20/09/2018 7:21 pm  

Indeed, a new book about J.F.C. Fuller would be very interesting. I have two old out of print publications on his life and works:

* 'Boney' Fuller: The Intellectual General by Anthony John Trythall (1977) - full length mainstream book mostly about his military career and political worldview but there a few interesting pages which discuss his occult interests and his relationship with A.C.

* The Warrior Mage: General J.F.C. Fuller by Frater Scorpio (1996) highly rare underground political booklet which explores his occultism and political adherence in detail.

Even after Fuller fell out with Crowley he wrote a letter to E.N. FitzGerald (17th September 1949 e.v.):

"Crowley was a genuine avatar, but I don't think he knew it, but I do think he sensed it in an emotional way."


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21/09/2018 12:18 am  

@Falcon

I remember many yeears ago coming across The Treasure House of Images and being enthralled. There is also a book of his from the 1920s, Atlantis: America and the Future, from which this extraordinary passage is partularly inspiring:

The gods are not persons to be seen or spoken to, their utterances are delivered in oracles and these are normally cryptic and difficult to understand. There is a Pythoness in every one of us, and a Delphic cavern, namely our imagination, into which we must retire if we are to accomplish anything of worth.


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21/09/2018 4:51 am  

Thank you so much for this thread brother Falcon.
As an Army veteran and occultist and also a... Student and inheritor of World War II I have long been fascinated by GEN Fuller.
I would love to read More about him, definitely.

I have the Treasure House of Images by Falcon Press, but like most Thelemic pubs it mentions at least on the cover or confusing preface, Crowley as the author.

So did Fuller write it all?

I would love also to read his books on Yoga and Qabalah. I had no idea he wrote more than Star. Are those other books hard to find?

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21/09/2018 9:45 am  

You are welcome brother christibrany. I served in the Light Division of the British Army (I was living in Cornwall at the time and General Fuller spent his last days in Falmouth, Cornwall. He was born in Sussex and I now live in Sussex) and I too have long taken an interest in J.F.C. Fuller.

"Fuller has one rather astounding distinction among Aspirants of the A∴A∴ – that is, he is the author of the only Class A document, officially adopted by Crowley, that was entirely penned by another; that is Liber 963, ‘The Treasure-House of Images’. This work was published in Equinox Volume I number 3 in 1910. And, though listed as Frater N.S.F. (Non Sine Fulmine) 5=6 and Cancellarius in the imprimatur, Fuller was just a Probationer at the time."

I have rare original copies of his books on Yoga and Qabalah but you may be able to find reprints on Amazon or eBay.


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21/09/2018 9:46 am  

@falcon said:

Indeed, a new book about J.F.C. Fuller would be very interesting. I have two old out of print publications on his life and works

any details of his death given in these books? was there an obituary printed anywhere? was he living in USA when he died?


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21/09/2018 9:50 am  

@elitemachinery Intellectual General includes details of his death. He was in Falmouth, Cornwall when he died.


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21/09/2018 10:08 am  

I also have a copy of J.F.C. Fuller's essay Magic and War which was originally published in The Occult Review. Even after he joined Sir Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists in 1934 (as a prominent officer of the B.U.F. Policy Directorate) after the Olympia meeting he continued to take an interest in and write about occult subjects. The crank Arnold Spencer Leese of the tiny rival Imperial Fascist League attacked Crowley as well as Fuller and Mosley in his monthly newspaper "The Fascist" as "soft on occultism, freemasonry and the Jews".

The Black Arts by J.F.C. Fuller:

https://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=1457539438


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21/09/2018 4:43 pm  

Greetings All, have not posted here for some time.

I have no wish to dampen this enthusiasm for J.F.C. Fuller, nor to detract from the content of The Treasure House of Images, but this is actually a Class B Publication.
Only the short introductory A Note upon Liber DCCCCLXIII and presumably written by Crowley, is in Class A.


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21/09/2018 5:19 pm  

Greetings SatansAdvocaat good to see you back here, I have been away for a while also (health and family issues and exploring Islam).

My own view is that the Class A publication A Note upon Liber DCCCCLXIII is also written by J.F.C. Fuller but I am enjoying the debate here with yourself and other LAShTALians.


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22/09/2018 7:23 am  

One of my favorite books by Fuller is The Foundations of the Science of War (n.d. ~1925)... first chapters... "The Alchemy of War" and "The Method of Science"... a great read and available in reprints.


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23/09/2018 12:13 am  

J F C Fuller developed the British Army's armoured warfare doctrine. He was also an accomplished painter of occult themed images. For years I had a print of his "Knowlege and Conversation" on my wall but it disturbed my cleaner so I took it down.

Personally, I always thought he was into warfare and death and destruction and the dark side. But I liked the symetricality of his painting


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24/09/2018 10:16 pm  

ANNOUNCEMENT

I have started negotiations with a book publisher regarding writing a new full length biography of J.F.C. Fuller and they are interested. I envisage this project will take some 12-24 months or longer to complete involving research, interviews and so on and so forth. I have two ideas for the book 1) A biography written by myself exploring the whole gamut of J.F.C. Fuller's life and his occultism, magick, military career, politics and art 2) A collection of essays about J.F.C. Fuller from various contributors including Thelemites, Occultists, Members of the A.'.A.'. and O.T.O., Military Veterans, Artists, Political Theorists and ideally Academics (and fellow LAShTALians possibly who have expressed an interest in his life and works?) and additionally one essay written by myself and an introduction written by the publisher or another author.

Note: I would write from a fairly neutral position regarding General Fuller's politics as I don't see the point in writing a polemic against a man whose art and writings on magick and the occult I respect despite his controversial political worldview.

I have set up a dedicated gmail address for all inquiries and submissions of essays/ideas/information/research material/suggestions etc:

fraterfalcon418@gmail.com


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25/09/2018 12:00 am  

Good luck, Falcon. In my opinion you could combine the two - first half a biographical study, second half some essays.

It all depends, I suppose, on how deep and detailed you intend the biography to be. I look forward to reading it.

I know what it's like to be passionately interested in the life and work of a particular person. It's superb.


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25/09/2018 3:48 am  

Many thanks indeed Michael for your fraternal words of encouragement, advice and your suggestion. Much appreciated.

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14/12/2019 10:34 pm  
Posted by: @falcon

I have started negotiations with a book publisher regarding writing a new full length biography of J.F.C. Fuller

93 Falcon

Did anything ever come of your JFC Fuller project?

Johnny


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02/01/2020 4:21 pm  

In addition to echoing frater_anubis' query, I am also wondering if anyone knows: did Fuller end his A.:.A.:. journey at the grade of Probationer or did he advance higher?


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Posted by: @christibrany

In addition to echoing frater_anubis' query, I am also wondering if anyone knows: did Fuller end his A.:.A.:. journey at the grade of Probationer or did he advance higher?

Maybe we can contract a theosophist to collate all of Fuller's akashic records for us, and we can find out.

In addition to Martha Kuntzel (according to chapter XLVIII of Magick Without Tears), Fuller is another Thelemite and member of the A.'.A.'. to have direct contact with Adolf Hitler. I would assume Fuller had a more personal relationship with the man than Kuntzel, as history remembers their interactions at the Fuhrer's fiftieth birthday parade; even if Kuntzel did consider Hitler her 'magickal child'.

(Of course, I reference these facts only to subvert the caliphate's hopes of politicizing Thelema.)


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02/01/2020 5:43 pm  

"Facts"? Ummm, sort of.

I am not sure how much we can infer from Major-General Fuller attending Hitler's birthday in 1939, 26 years after he was last in touch with Crowley.What evidence do you have that Fuller continued to be a Thelemite in the late '30s? Of course, you have none, because he had not been one for many years by then.

Fuller was very publicly expelled from the A.'. A.'. by notice in The Equinox I:9, spring 1913. He was a Probationer at his expulsion:

This person never advanced beyond the Degree of Probationer, never sent in a record, and has presumably neither performed practices nor obtained results. He has not, and never has had, authority to give instructions in the name of the A ∴ A ∴.

See p. ii, https://hermetic.com/_media/crowley/equinox/equinox-iix.pdf

Maybe a bit of homework is in order before further efforts at disinformation?


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02/01/2020 6:04 pm  

@Ignant666 thanks for the info comrade 🙂   

 

That is surprising 'news' considering Fuller wrote a lot of valuable material, Treasure-House, Secret History of the Qabalah, Star in the West, etc


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02/01/2020 6:14 pm  

Well, obviously that stuff was before he broke with AC in 1911 over the Looking Glass case- as a serving military officer at the time (he retired in 1933), he had to be careful about being publicly associated with a man known to have sex with men.

He was at Hitler's birthday in 1939 not because Hitler was an occultist inviting a fellow initiate to the bash, but because Hitler was a big fan of Fuller's writings on tank warfare.

Hitler was about to demonstrate just how big a Fuller fan he was four months later when the Germans invaded Poland using Blitzkrieg tactics based on Fuller (and Fuller's analysis of Gen. US Grant's US Civil War campaign tactics).


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02/01/2020 7:50 pm  

Also, I think before we say that

Posted by: @djedi

Fuller is another Thelemite and member of the A.'.A.'. to have direct contact with Adolf Hitler.

we would have to establish that Fuller ever was a Thelemite. I don't think there is any evidence he ever was a Thelemite, let alone still was by 1939.

Recall that his Star In The West is about Crowley as the Prophet of Crowleyanity, not the Prophet of Thelema. Thelema, and AL, are never mentioned.

When they broke off communication somewhere between 1911-13, Thelema did not yet loom very large in AC's scheme of things. AL was first published in 1912, so Fuller may never even have heard of Thelema if they in fact broke off communication around the time of the Looking Glass trial in 1911.


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02/01/2020 9:20 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

did Fuller end his A.:.A.:. journey at the grade of Probationer or did he advance higher?

Fuller was "field promoted" or "brevited" to 5=6, so that the Imprimatur could have a neatly-arranged and fully staffed middle triad. This was obviously a blatant lie, or at least a misrepresentation of reality, and I suggest that all Imprimaturs should be examined in a historically-correct, rear-view mirror.

As far as I know, he never rose above Probationer. It is my dim understanding that Fuller advised AC to follow some particular action or direction, but AC ignored him and followed his own path. Fullerthen  either resigned or was expelled. There's always a lot of expellation in these horrifying histories.

Fuller went on to become a Brigadier in his Majesty's enforcement squad.

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(Of course, I reference these facts only to subvert the caliphate's hopes of politicizing Thelema.)

Yes, this is understood. It seems most (all?) of your posts tend to display an anti-(c)OTO  axe to grind. Around here, this has been known as "OTO-bashing," and it's nothing new, and we've all done it - to some degree or another.

However, it is un-Thelemic, or at least un-worthy, to continually brandish one's axe, especially to the point of thread-turning.

The Angels came to me and whispered in my ear, "He must cut himself with a samurai sword each time he thinks, or writes, or speaks bad things about OTO, if he is to overcome his obsession."

I am personally, both in my magical name and my civil name, on the Official (c)OTO Shitlist. A Black Ball has been posted next to my name. I have communicated directly with Beta, and he was polite .... by as for the archival entry, I am an a renegade, clandestine heretic. I find all of this to be amusing, and I have more of an axe to grind with Healthcare.gov than I do with (c)OTO.

Without exception, except maybe for Heidrick, Greenfield, Jamie Barter, all defendants, and The Unknown Victim, I have suffered the most terribly: My status has been declared clandestine, and my lineage has been re-routed to originate with Choronzon. It's a good thing that I resigned when I did, and it's a better thing to not care.

So, using me as a shining, no, despoiled example, you too can easily drop the OTO-bashing, except when it's in an appropriate thread.

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This person never advanced beyond the Degree of Probationer, never sent in a record, and has presumably neither performed practices nor obtained results. He has not, and never has had, authority to give instructions in the name of the A ∴ A ∴.

Why, darn!  This is exactly what Meral had to say about the Caliph.

Posted by: @christibrany

That is surprising 'news' considering Fuller wrote a lot of valuable material, Treasure-House, Secret History of the Qabalah, Star in the West, etc

He wrote that stuff, then tried to tell Crowley what to do. There could be no other outcome.

 

 

 

 


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02/01/2020 9:34 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

never even have heard of Thelema if they in fact broke off communication around the time of the Looking Glass trial in 1911.

@ignant666

For clarification: AC wrote to Fuller in 1909 citing Liber AL: "I have had a great field-day, reworking Comment. I think we should include Liber Legis + Comment in Temple, thus making Temple the book commanded in III:39 "a book to say how thou didst come hither"...

I guess this makes it clear that Fuller was totally aware of Thelema and Liber AL.

Love=Law

Lutz

P.S. And if I remember correctly at least Crowley wrote to Fuller still in the 30ies.


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02/01/2020 9:34 pm  

So the more I remember past reading and think about it now, it seems like barely anyone advanced (truly, as in not field promotion or taken via the Oath of an Adept) past Student or Probationer in Crowley's day, let alone attained Zelator or higher...?

 

Seems like they were all Probationers or lower for the most part.   I think that this is not due to it being more difficult in AC's day, (at least the lineage I am in is just as, if not more rigourous) but rather a lack of work on the aspirants part.  

 

Even Achad claimed himself 8=3, jumping all the way from 1=10....without doing the work in between. 


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Posted by: @christibrany

a lack of work on the aspirants part.  

This continues to be a problem today. The A.'.A.'. curriculum is traversed by one's self-discipline. Most people don't have that in the degree required to persevere through several years of banishing, asana, and (especially) razor blades 😆 .

Many people are quick to mentalize this stuff, perhaps while drinking alcohol, or smoking legal medical cannabis, by reading about it the The Scriptures. We know these people as "armchair magicians," or some similar term that implies they're pretty smart, but we suspect that They Haven't Done The Work.

 


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03/01/2020 1:59 am  

Thanx very much, Lutz. I wasn't saying he was not aware of AL, only that he might not have been, given the dates. If Fuller stayed in touch with AC after the Equinox expulsion notice, he was a pretty-thick skinned fellow, but i suppose these generals are made of sterner stuff than most.  Do you know of any evidence that Fuller ever considered himself a Thelemite?

In any case, the point i was making was that we can hardly hold AC responsible for the fact that Fuller, decades after he broke off at least any public association with AC, became a raving Fascist.


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03/01/2020 12:19 pm  

Hold up, this guy was a freakin' Black Shirt?!?


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03/01/2020 12:25 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Hold up, this guy was a freakin' Black Shirt?!?

Yes indeed, very close to Oswald Mosley.


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03/01/2020 12:26 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Do you know of any evidence that Fuller ever considered himself a Thelemite?

I think that trying to differentiate between Crowleyanity and Thelema is a little tenuous here: the two were one and the same, and I argue it's still precisely that for the vast majority of people.


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03/01/2020 1:25 pm  

But The Star In The West is not about Thelema, and never mentions Thelema, or Will, or Horus, or AL, or any of the other familiar trappings of Thelema.

Yes, it is about "Crowley The Prophet", but he is the Prophet of Scientific Illuminism, not the Prophet of Thelema version he later ran with. This is an earlier trial-balloon version of Crowley's desire to be a Prophet, before he remembered that he had received a prophetic text proclaiming him the Prophet of a New Aeon a few years back on his honeymoon, and forgotten about it, as one does.

At this point in history, looking back, it may make sense to say that

Posted by: @azrael2393

trying to differentiate between Crowleyanity and Thelema is a little tenuous here

but Fuller parted company with AC before Thelema was a public concept. The book existed, and a few had seen it, true. But most of what we think of when we think of Crowley and Thelema was still far in the future when Crowley expelled Fuller from the A.'. A.'. in 1913.

Fuller later became a Nazi, Crowley later became the Prophet of Thelema, but neither had become either of those things yet when they cut off public contact.


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03/01/2020 9:26 pm  

@shiva

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Most people don't have that in the degree required to persevere

That is very true.  I have known many people over the years who started the Work but simply dropped out due to laziness/drugs/booze/mental problems.  

 

The best advice I have been given and that I can share again is 'invoke often.'  

It not only strengthens the will and discipline but also 'ties' one into the Current so you can't escape even if you 'want' to 😛

 

Even devotional practises like RESH I think can be seen/used as invocations. 

 

Regarding Fuller dropping out/being expelled, of course he wasn't the only one, but luckily AC's work was strong enough that there are some good examples of people that persevered and advanced the 'real,' hard, long way, like Frank Bennett for example. 

 

It would be interesting to see if later in life Fuller changed his mind regarding fascism or not, what with the war results, and his dying in the 1960s.  All the more reason it would be great to have a book about him.


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04/01/2020 12:20 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

like Frank Bennett for example. 

I never caught his tale ... at least not after AC gave him the IX* at Cefalu - for him having saved some needed papers.

 


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Posted by: @christibrany

It would be interesting to see if later in life Fuller changed his mind regarding fascism or not, what with the war results, and his dying in the 1960s.  All the more reason it would be great to have a book about him.

At times I wonder: do people even study history?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._F._C._Fuller

Fuller spent his last years a deeply-embittered man who believed that the wrong side had won the Second World War and most fully announced that thesis in the 1961 edition of The Reformation of War. There, he announced his belief that Hitler was the saviour of the West against the Soviet Union and denounced Churchill and Roosevelt for being too stupid to see so.


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04/01/2020 12:59 pm  

@michaelstayley.

remember many yeears ago coming across The Treasure House of Images and being enthralled. There is also a book of his from the 1920s, Atlantis: America and the Future, from which this extraordinary passage is partularly inspiring:

i.e. 

  Fuller (Blackshirt) said;

The gods are not persons to be seen or spoken to, their utterances are delivered in oracles and these are normally cryptic and difficult to understand. There is a Pythoness in every one of us, and a Delphic cavern, namely our imagination, into which we must retire if we are to accomplish anything of worth.

 

Every one of us?  Does that include non W.A.S.P.s?  We must retire  into our Delphic Cavern in order to achieve worthy goals he said but he went on to join The Blackshirts.

I guess he lost touch with his Delphic Cavern or maybe the unbalanced can sometimes come up with inspirational-motivational quotes...based on quotes they borrowed from earlier sources. 


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Posted by: @dom

I guess he

You appear to be rehashing the age-old argument of whether a less-than-noble artist is nonetheless still capable of creating a noble piece of art, divorced from its origin.  Does somebody's extreme political views invalidate any inherent wisdom they might otherwise come out with?  Can Rock and Roll (Part 1 or  2) still be regarded as quite a rollicking good tune despite the fact that Gary 'Leader of the Bang Gang' Glitter originally came out with it?

This will run and run (if you let it),

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04/01/2020 2:02 pm  

Glitter probably just wrote the lyrics.  Google it.... but yeah look at AC and his disparaging writings on women and his use of the n word.


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'Rock and roll' repeat ad infinitum.   Hardly Paul Verlaine is it?


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